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Just reading today that the ‘stay at home orders’ (not quarantine Chinese style) are not really affecting the virus spread, perhaps only by 3%. So even though czech is broadly described as being under lockdown, it still has international travel open, nurseries, town to town travel and a range of jobs etc. plus the stay at home order is unreliable due to compliance, or lack of. So this is still leaving vast avenues open to spread, on top of an already out of control situation.
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From Repubblica, today

"More and more children and newborns positive for Covid. In the spring we thought that the little ones were immune, but now we hospitalize even a few months old children for respiratory problems", according to "The Breakfast Club" on Radio Capital Massimiliano Spiccia, coordinator of the resuscitation department of the Regina Margherita hospital in Turin. "Children have Covid symptoms that are found among adults. The little sick people are helped with assisted ventilation and also with blood purification. The situation is much more dramatic than in March. We are in difficulty."

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As DR foresaw, schools opening was deemed to allow a much bigger impact of the virus among children due to its ability to adapt.
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Are the UK playing the spanish numbers game.

To see a drop in posative like that.
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It is most likely a backlog of previously inconclusive tests, that we're repeated later on, and most got negative.


They just lumped them up in a single day.


Sometimes is the other way around, most inconclusive come back positive.

Sometimes is less inconclusive tests, sometimes more.



It's just how things work, in a bureaucratic society. They don't bother to retroactively correct previous days data, and just drop them in a single day.


Doesn't change anything in a 2 week trend.
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Switzerland, an other nail in the coffin?

The government decided today, that they don't consider to impose a circuit breaker, or a lockdown.

" they talk about a slowdown!"whatever
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It's not "whatever" at all. At least it's honest, compared to the Irish government that calls a "lockdown" what they are doing, and hereby taking their citizens for fools....
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Just reading today that the ‘stay at home orders’ (not quarantine Chinese style) are not really affecting the virus spread, perhaps only by 3%. So even though czech is broadly described as being under lockdown, it still has international travel open, nurseries, town to town travel and a range of jobs etc. plus the stay at home order is unreliable due to compliance, or lack of. So this is still leaving vast avenues open to spread, on top of an already out of control situation.
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I am watching Czech Republic quite closely.


Sometimes in September I said that any country that will have it's schools open through October, are going to be fucked, based on a school opening day in mid-September, so 6 weeks of school in person.

Czechia opened their schools on September 1st, if I am not mistaken, and they closed them down about a week ago or so?

Czechia have already passed the 6 weeks threshold that I considered to be critical for virus spread, on one hand, and virus mutating to better deal with stronger immune systems of the younger hosts (children and adolescents).


I don't think that Czechia can reverse it's current trend earlier then December, if a full lock-down isn't implemented, and even if they manage to reverse it, it will take until January to go back to sustainable levels in hospitals, and February until the number of cases drop to levels allowing removal of lock-downs in a safely manner.

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Hospitalizations, not cases, is what should be closely watched. I'm not seeing doom at all.
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Between 10 to 30% of all confirmed cases will be in need of longterm medical care.

So much so U.K. NHS opened specialty clinics. Connecticut and I forget the other states.

Yes. Cases matter.

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From Repubblica, today

"More and more children and newborns positive for Covid. In the spring we thought that the little ones were immune, but now we hospitalize even a few months old children for respiratory problems", according to "The Breakfast Club" on Radio Capital Massimiliano Spiccia, coordinator of the resuscitation department of the Regina Margherita hospital in Turin. "Children have Covid symptoms that are found among adults. The little sick people are helped with assisted ventilation and also with blood purification. The situation is much more dramatic than in March. We are in difficulty."

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As DR foresaw, schools opening was deemed to allow a much bigger impact of the virus among children due to its ability to adapt.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe

Schools are hotspots for spreading of the Coronavirus. It would not be that way if all rules were strictly being enforced but they aren't, whatever they are telling you on TV. I have watched myself children in recess (in the school playing ground) not running around indeed but practically all of them standing real close together (like, at 50 cm distances), many with their facemasks off, many also busy eating something probably just justifying having their facemasks off.

This is makes sure the virus DOES get spread. They are not doing what they are pretending or claiming to do. And what's more, children being aware of the Coronavirus regulations as well as adults are, they must be doing this KNOWINGLY.
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From Repubblica, today

"More and more children and newborns positive for Covid. In the spring we thought that the little ones were immune, but now we hospitalize even a few months old children for respiratory problems", according to "The Breakfast Club" on Radio Capital Massimiliano Spiccia, coordinator of the resuscitation department of the Regina Margherita hospital in Turin. "Children have Covid symptoms that are found among adults. The little sick people are helped with assisted ventilation and also with blood purification. The situation is much more dramatic than in March. We are in difficulty."

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hugs


And DR, thank you.
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Just reading today that the ‘stay at home orders’ (not quarantine Chinese style) are not really affecting the virus spread, perhaps only by 3%. So even though czech is broadly described as being under lockdown, it still has international travel open, nurseries, town to town travel and a range of jobs etc. plus the stay at home order is unreliable due to compliance, or lack of. So this is still leaving vast avenues open to spread, on top of an already out of control situation.
 Quoting: Gamechanger 2.0 77356084



I am watching Czech Republic quite closely.


Sometimes in September I said that any country that will have it's schools open through October, are going to be fucked, based on a school opening day in mid-September, so 6 weeks of school in person.

Czechia opened their schools on September 1st, if I am not mistaken, and they closed them down about a week ago or so?

Czechia have already passed the 6 weeks threshold that I considered to be critical for virus spread, on one hand, and virus mutating to better deal with stronger immune systems of the younger hosts (children and adolescents).


I don't think that Czechia can reverse it's current trend earlier then December, if a full lock-down isn't implemented, and even if they manage to reverse it, it will take until January to go back to sustainable levels in hospitals, and February until the number of cases drop to levels allowing removal of lock-downs in a safely manner.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Yes that’s about right schools have been closed a week or so generally.

I’ve also just been informed via the Mrs that the health minister was spotted going into a restaurant yesterday without a mask. He has been advised to resign and if he doesn’t will be sacked by the PM.

His predecessor was a former reality show contestant if I have that right. He was also sacked within the last two weeks. It’s becoming a bit ridiculous now.

I know every country is doing all they can to preserve their economies, but here it seems they are extra desperate to avoid any full shut down. It should happen today, but there is still a creeping approach.

So if the partial shut downs are basically ineffective, then we should see your worst case scenario play out here within short weeks, or the moving through Jazz’s phases.
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The incidence rate in Roubaix(near Belgium Border) is 1,135 COVID19 cases per 100,000 inhabitants despite the closure of gyms and bars. Positivity of the tests: 22%

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Let's remember that Germany put the alert level on 50 new cases per 100,000 inhabitants.... I am fairly confident something like this will never happen in Germany (but then again, let's not be TOO confident, you never can tell for sure how things will work out).
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"This is OP's first post in this thread. Obviously OP changed it later on. However beneath this post it says "Last Edited by Lady Jayne Smith on 10/22/2020 12:16 PM"

I don't really feel easy about this. Why did a mod change this post and how did she change it?"




The main post, on the first page of the thread, was changed ONCE, when I updated the model, to reflect new data, from Los Alamos Labs, which was made public in early February.

Since then, not a single comma was edited in the main post.



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I did not mean to suggest you changed the numbers. I am aware of your updating and I know there is nothing suspicious about that whatsoever. I just wanted to know what exactly was changed by the mod.

Sorry for not having been more clear about that.
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I am watching Czech Republic quite closely.


Sometimes in September I said that any country that will have it's schools open through October, are going to be fucked, based on a school opening day in mid-September, so 6 weeks of school in person.

Czechia opened their schools on September 1st, if I am not mistaken, and they closed them down about a week ago or so?

Czechia have already passed the 6 weeks threshold that I considered to be critical for virus spread, on one hand, and virus mutating to better deal with stronger immune systems of the younger hosts (children and adolescents).


I don't think that Czechia can reverse it's current trend earlier then December, if a full lock-down isn't implemented, and even if they manage to reverse it, it will take until January to go back to sustainable levels in hospitals, and February until the number of cases drop to levels allowing removal of lock-downs in a safely manner.
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Yes that’s about right schools have been closed a week or so generally.

I’ve also just been informed via the Mrs that the health minister was spotted going into a restaurant yesterday without a mask. He has been advised to resign and if he doesn’t will be sacked by the PM.


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Fucking assholes they are... I am not saying all of them, but too many. I remember Mark Rutte without a mask, a few months ago, just having spoken to a public, while leaving the stage returning on his steps to enthusiastically shake hands (with both hands) with the next speaker... just that close from actually hugging him, and with a BIG grin. I thought at that moment he was actually mocking the public. Maybe he wasn't, but that's what it felt like.
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The incidence rate in Roubaix(near Belgium Border) is 1,135 COVID19 cases per 100,000 inhabitants despite the closure of gyms and bars. Positivity of the tests: 22%

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Let's remember that Germany put the alert level on 50 new cases per 100,000 inhabitants.... I am fairly confident something like this will never happen in Germany (but then again, let's not be TOO confident, you never can tell for sure how things will work out).
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yes, there is a limit at 50 in Germany, but the restrictions that are implemented then are very mild. no lockdown at all. Several districts of Berlin are over or near 200/100.000 already. Today they announced that they cannot trace contacts anymore and will only do for "risk patients". That means Berlin has basically fallen.
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Just reading today that the ‘stay at home orders’ (not quarantine Chinese style) are not really affecting the virus spread, perhaps only by 3%. So even though czech is broadly described as being under lockdown, it still has international travel open, nurseries, town to town travel and a range of jobs etc. plus the stay at home order is unreliable due to compliance, or lack of. So this is still leaving vast avenues open to spread, on top of an already out of control situation.
 Quoting: Gamechanger 2.0 77356084

OK. So it is clear there IS NO lockdown in Czech Republic at all, whatever they may say or even think, and the MSM (and any of their mouthpieces) as usual are not trustworthy news channels.

Maybe if the "lockdown" were actually real and enforced, the virus spread would be afffected more, but as it is, months ago a Dutch data analyst (I think he is called Ab Oosterhuis, his first name was Ab or Ad) said very clearly that if all superspreader events were made prevented and nothing else was done, the virus nonetheless would not be able to spread anymore.

I think this is worth thinking about. It is very posible no actual lockdowns are needed and economies worldwide do not have to suffer - with all consequences thereof.
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Hospitalizations, not cases, is what should be closely watched. I'm not seeing doom at all.
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You watch whatever number you want.


I am watching them ALL, because the difference between you and me is that I am looking at the big picture.


You want to watch hospitalization? Be my guest. Take the data from September 1st, in Europe, and the data from yesterday.

See the difference in hospitalizations. And if you there, look at ICU also.


And if you managed to do AT LEAST THAT, see where this is going, and going fast.



But, since you will NEVER bother to spend any time in actually LOOKING at the same very thing you are suggesting (hospitalizations), come back on this thread on November 1st, and tell me again if you see no doom.


You think anyone cares about Thailand?


If Europe goes in full lock-down, the entire world is going to be economically affected, because it will start a domino effect, causing the U.S. economy to crumble, and right after that, China's economy...because China's massive economic output is what it is because Europe and the U.S. are the biggest buyers of China's crap.


If Thailand is erased from the map today, the world won't even blink.


So, don't look outside your window to see doom...the doom is NOT there.
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I'm not interested in Thailand. Besides, nothing is going on here. Romania isn't of much importance either, but I'm praying for them nonetheless.

I don't understand why specific hospitalization data isn't shared here especially since we can now compare it to what occurred in the spring.

France is currently at 34% of hospitalizations reached during their spring peak.

Italy is only at 24% of hospitalizations reached earlier this year.

UK is at 33 percent.

Denmark, Finland, Estonia are at 23% of hospitalizations reached during spring time.

Norway right now is only at 10% of their previous peak.

But we have at least 8 European countries that are currently exceeding their spring numbers. They include (from bad to WORSE):

Croatia at 136%, Latvia at 163%, Slovenia at 226%, Poland at 230%, Hungary at 249%, Slovakia at 285%, Bulgaria at 381% and Czech Republic at 882%

Yet no country (even Czechia) is near the level of hospitalizations that Italy faced at their peak in late March to early April.

Czechia hospitalizations would have to increase more than 50% from here to reach that level of patients per 100,000 people.

Of course, each country has their own ability to handle X number of cases per 100,000.

But besides Czechia it's only Spain, Belgium, Poland and Bulgaria that are surpassing 20 patients in hospital per 100,000 at this point.

Note: Some European countries were excluded

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Meant to state "handle X number of hospitalizations per 100,000", not cases.
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Gain of function.

Old article, but has some merit.
Less 50%

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"Efficient spreading in the human population" is primarily effected by superspreader events!
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19143 new infected in Italy today
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19143 new infected in Italy today
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UPDATES FROM ITALY

+ 19.143 new positive cases
On 182.032 swab tests

+ 91 dead patients

+ 57 patients in ICU
[new total: 1049 patients currently in ICU]

15% of the total ICU beds (6.628) in italian hospitals are currently occupied by Covid-19 patients
Government is trying to add more 1660 ICU beds in the next few days


+ 855 hospitalized patients
[new total: 10.549 patients currently hospitalized]


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WHO's Tedros: We are at a critical juncture in the COVID-19 pandemic, particularly in the Northern hemisphere

The next few months are going to be very tough and some countries are on a dangerous track. "We urge leaders to take immediate action, to prevent further unnecessary deaths, essential health services from collapsing and schools shutting again. As I said it in February and I’m repeating it today: This is not a drill.

Too many countries are now seeing an exponential increase in infections, and that is now leading to hospitals and intensive care units running close or above capacity -- and we’re still only in October.


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Hospitalizations, not cases, is what should be closely watched. I'm not seeing doom at all.
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You watch whatever number you want.


I am watching them ALL, because the difference between you and me is that I am looking at the big picture.


You want to watch hospitalization? Be my guest. Take the data from September 1st, in Europe, and the data from yesterday.

See the difference in hospitalizations. And if you there, look at ICU also.


And if you managed to do AT LEAST THAT, see where this is going, and going fast.



But, since you will NEVER bother to spend any time in actually LOOKING at the same very thing you are suggesting (hospitalizations), come back on this thread on November 1st, and tell me again if you see no doom.


You think anyone cares about Thailand?


If Europe goes in full lock-down, the entire world is going to be economically affected, because it will start a domino effect, causing the U.S. economy to crumble, and right after that, China's economy...because China's massive economic output is what it is because Europe and the U.S. are the biggest buyers of China's crap.


If Thailand is erased from the map today, the world won't even blink.


So, don't look outside your window to see doom...the doom is NOT there.
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I'm not interested in Thailand. Besides, nothing is going on here. Romania isn't of much importance either, but I'm praying for them nonetheless.

I don't understand why specific hospitalization data isn't shared here especially since we can now compare it to what occurred in the spring.

France is currently at 34% of hospitalizations reached during their spring peak.

Italy is only at 24% of hospitalizations reached earlier this year.

UK is at 33 percent.

Denmark, Finland, Estonia are at 23% of hospitalizations reached during spring time.

Norway right now is only at 10% of their previous peak.

But we have at least 8 European countries that are currently exceeding their spring numbers. They include (from bad to WORSE):

Croatia at 136%, Latvia at 163%, Slovenia at 226%, Poland at 230%, Hungary at 249%, Slovakia at 285%, Bulgaria at 381% and Czech Republic at 882%

Yet no country (even Czechia) is near the level of hospitalizations that Italy faced at their peak in late March to early April.

Czechia hospitalizations would have to increase more than 50% from here to reach that level of patients per 100,000 people.

Of course, each country has their own ability to handle X number of cases per 100,000.

But besides Czechia it's only Spain, Belgium, Poland and Bulgaria that are surpassing 20 patients in hospital per 100,000 at this point.

Note: Some European countries were excluded

Source: [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)]
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Becuase in the spring every EU country kicked out anyone from hospital that could walk.

Now take that 33% and add it to the uk with norm hospital lvls and yep your at over 100%.

It does not matter of its 10% covid if the hospital is 90% full 10% on top kills the care.

The UK crumbles each dec-feb to flu. The diffrence is you can leave people in corridors with flu. You cant with covid
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From Repubblica, today

"More and more children and newborns positive for Covid. In the spring we thought that the little ones were immune, but now we hospitalize even a few months old children for respiratory problems", according to "The Breakfast Club" on Radio Capital Massimiliano Spiccia, coordinator of the resuscitation department of the Regina Margherita hospital in Turin. "Children have Covid symptoms that are found among adults. The little sick people are helped with assisted ventilation and also with blood purification. The situation is much more dramatic than in March. We are in difficulty."

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As DR foresaw, schools opening was deemed to allow a much bigger impact of the virus among children due to its ability to adapt.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe

Schools are hotspots for spreading of the Coronavirus. It would not be that way if all rules were strictly being enforced but they aren't, whatever they are telling you on TV. I have watched myself children in recess (in the school playing ground) not running around indeed but practically all of them standing real close together (like, at 50 cm distances), many with their facemasks off, many also busy eating something probably just justifying having their facemasks off.

This is makes sure the virus DOES get spread. They are not doing what they are pretending or claiming to do. And what's more, children being aware of the Coronavirus regulations as well as adults are, they must be doing this KNOWINGLY.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79421218


This is exactly my thought too!
Today some counties took harsh measures to stop the spread (they won't), but no single word from the schools.
This sheer stupidity, or evilness is overwhelming.
I am allmost vomiting
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WHO's Tedros: We are at a critical juncture in the COVID-19 pandemic, particularly in the Northern hemisphere

The next few months are going to be very tough and some countries are on a dangerous track. "We urge leaders to take immediate action, to prevent further unnecessary deaths, essential health services from collapsing and schools shutting again. As I said it in February and I’m repeating it today: This is not a drill.

Too many countries are now seeing an exponential increase in infections, and that is now leading to hospitals and intensive care units running close or above capacity -- and we’re still only in October.



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Ohhhh god he sounds like one of them "shield the old" people.

Words are so easy.
But come on Dr turd. How should countires stop it, no lock downs or shutting schools. Yeah thats not working so great
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This is what the " covid taskforce " would do to stop it.
They give advises to the politics. (they don't even do this)
The "experts".
No words for the schools!wall

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This is what the " covid taskforce " would do to stop it.
They give advises to the politics. (they don't even do this)
The "experts".
No words for the schools!wall

Link in german

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Just reading today that the ‘stay at home orders’ (not quarantine Chinese style) are not really affecting the virus spread, perhaps only by 3%. So even though czech is broadly described as being under lockdown, it still has international travel open, nurseries, town to town travel and a range of jobs etc. plus the stay at home order is unreliable due to compliance, or lack of. So this is still leaving vast avenues open to spread, on top of an already out of control situation.
 Quoting: Gamechanger 2.0 77356084

OK. So it is clear there IS NO lockdown in Czech Republic at all, whatever they may say or even think, and the MSM (and any of their mouthpieces) as usual are not trustworthy news channels.

Maybe if the "lockdown" were actually real and enforced, the virus spread would be afffected more, but as it is, months ago a Dutch data analyst (I think he is called Ab Oosterhuis, his first name was Ab or Ad) said very clearly that if all superspreader events were made prevented and nothing else was done, the virus nonetheless would not be able to spread anymore.

I think this is worth thinking about. It is very posible no actual lockdowns are needed and economies worldwide do not have to suffer - with all consequences thereof.
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No! lockdowns are needed to deal with this somehow. People want to see things back to normal with little consequence. That will not happen. The economies will fall and mass death will also occur. It’s a catch 22.


Well masks Here must be worn in public spaces, unless you’re in the woods say. Hairdressers, schools and non essential shops closed. This doesn’t mean all jobs are closed. Nurseries open, food stores, pharmacies. Air travel and cross border travel is operational.

You are advised to stay home and avoid as much contact as possible, so not much has changed for me, but many out there are free to come and go as they please. There aren’t the facilities here to properly Enforce much of this. It’s solely down to peoples good will and compliance. So that isn’t as widespread as one could hope, so there’s plenty of avenues for the spread to continue.

I just want to clarify this, as lockdown is a broad term. Yes this is quite a life changing scenario for many, but as far as containing a pandemic that is already out of control, these measures are not enough, I now understand courtesy of the information contained in this thread. So this is laying the way for unseen bother on a scale not seen.
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Covid-19: Boris Johnson hopes families can have Christmas together

He’s gone mad!!





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