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What do you think would happen if everyone switched to true PPE (N95, KN95, KF-94). Personally I believe it would be as effective as a world wide lockdown but much more sustainable and obviously virtually no real impact.

S. Korea gets accolades for testing and contact tracing, which is why they have less then 500 deaths; but the real thing they also did different was distribute KF-94 masks to all pharmacies everywhere.

The cloth mask falacy is what is causing the US problem, because unless you can get EVERYONE to wear cloth masks they don't work. Even with everyone wearing them I still question if it is enough.

Thoughts??
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What do you think would happen if everyone switched to true PPE (N95, KN95, KF-94). Personally I believe it would be as effective as a world wide lockdown but much more sustainable and obviously virtually no real impact.

S. Korea gets accolades for testing and contact tracing, which is why they have less then 500 deaths; but the real thing they also did different was distribute KF-94 masks to all pharmacies everywhere.

The cloth mask falacy is what is causing the US problem, because unless you can get EVERYONE to wear cloth masks they don't work. Even with everyone wearing them I still question if it is enough.

Thoughts??
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I know you asked OP, but if I can add a couple of thoughts: The N95 and similar masks require fit testing and technically a medical clearance from a doctor to wear. We can't even get people to stop wearing their surgical masks on their chin. Those people aren't going to be any better at wearing N95s.

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DR, I appreciate your COVID updates and predictions; I have been following you since the beginning. I don't post much here, but I read every day.

I have spent the last several days digesting your latest update. And I just don't see the grand conspiracy to take over the world. Nor do I believe that a Civil War is likely, or even possible, these days. Armed skirmishes are different than Civil War. With no clear cut boundaries, Civil War seems difficult to prosecute. In THE Civil War, it was North vs South, very clear lines of demarcation. Yes, there were supporters of the 'other side' caught on the wrong side of the front lines, but for the most part, you knew who the enemy was, and where he was. Today, only the outliers on each 'side' might be willing to fight. The vast majority are in the middle, and won't fight. And the fights won't be widespread, but localized. Armed confrontations will occur, and will be quickly put down by the military. I just don't see it blossoming into a full scale war, not until the lines are more clearly physically drawn. Riots? Sure. Armed riots? Sure. Civil War, not at all likely, IMHO.

As for globalization, history is rife with attempts at
"globalization", often by ethnicity or religion. All eventually fail or collapse. The 'elite', if nothing else, are students of history, often their family lines participating in those past efforts. There is no upside to globalization for the elite, and they know it. Especially if they already run the world, as many believe.

Thanks again, for the COVID modeling.
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This, but I attend to agree with alot of what this poster types. Even though there are still alot of sensitive people on the other thread. (Maybe you'll remember my comment and your great response)
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I do remember a good conversation with a Canadian AC, but don't remember the user ID. I assume that was you, then?
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I wouldn't call it a good conversation. It's not important but I stated people on the thread were sensitive, when in reality it's not everyone. I should have worded it differently, but you gave me a talking too. Either way it was a nice response. Respect. I'm in the US and I'm not sure why it shows up as Canadian
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Yeah, I think I remember that. If our exchange remained civil, then it was a good conversation in my book.

Interesting on the flag issue. Do you live close to the border?
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Nope not even close. It's weird but I'll take being incognito
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DR, I appreciate your COVID updates and predictions; I have been following you since the beginning. I don't post much here, but I read every day.

I have spent the last several days digesting your latest update. And I just don't see the grand conspiracy to take over the world. Nor do I believe that a Civil War is likely, or even possible, these days. Armed skirmishes are different than Civil War. With no clear cut boundaries, Civil War seems difficult to prosecute. In THE Civil War, it was North vs South, very clear lines of demarcation. Yes, there were supporters of the 'other side' caught on the wrong side of the front lines, but for the most part, you knew who the enemy was, and where he was. Today, only the outliers on each 'side' might be willing to fight. The vast majority are in the middle, and won't fight. And the fights won't be widespread, but localized. Armed confrontations will occur, and will be quickly put down by the military. I just don't see it blossoming into a full scale war, not until the lines are more clearly physically drawn. Riots? Sure. Armed riots? Sure. Civil War, not at all likely, IMHO.

As for globalization, history is rife with attempts at
"globalization", often by ethnicity or religion. All eventually fail or collapse. The 'elite', if nothing else, are students of history, often their family lines participating in those past efforts. There is no upside to globalization for the elite, and they know it. Especially if they already run the world, as many believe.

Thanks again, for the COVID modeling.
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Don't think classic civil war.

More like armed insurgency. Guerilla warfare.
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DR, I appreciate your COVID updates and predictions; I have been following you since the beginning. I don't post much here, but I read every day.

I have spent the last several days digesting your latest update. And I just don't see the grand conspiracy to take over the world. Nor do I believe that a Civil War is likely, or even possible, these days. Armed skirmishes are different than Civil War. With no clear cut boundaries, Civil War seems difficult to prosecute. In THE Civil War, it was North vs South, very clear lines of demarcation. Yes, there were supporters of the 'other side' caught on the wrong side of the front lines, but for the most part, you knew who the enemy was, and where he was. Today, only the outliers on each 'side' might be willing to fight. The vast majority are in the middle, and won't fight. And the fights won't be widespread, but localized. Armed confrontations will occur, and will be quickly put down by the military. I just don't see it blossoming into a full scale war, not until the lines are more clearly physically drawn. Riots? Sure. Armed riots? Sure. Civil War, not at all likely, IMHO.

As for globalization, history is rife with attempts at
"globalization", often by ethnicity or religion. All eventually fail or collapse. The 'elite', if nothing else, are students of history, often their family lines participating in those past efforts. There is no upside to globalization for the elite, and they know it. Especially if they already run the world, as many believe.

Thanks again, for the COVID modeling.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Don't think classic civil war.

More like armed insurgency. Guerilla warfare.
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I think each of us view things through the lens of our situation, belief. I agree a lot with what DR says. I knew others would see it differently. Thank G*d we aren't the same, right? It has nothing to do with conspiracy in my mind and all to do with globalization. There are persons who believe to make a utopia of sorts we need to be "as one". There, in my opinion, is a grand war of sorts going on, the age old good/evil.
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Thanks, DR. I'm still present and agree. I think time will tell but it's going to be an interesting ride for sure.
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I'm with Mia, I agree with your assessment of all angles of what is going on now.

*******I think your update is right on all counts.

I sure do appreciate the time you have taken to give us your updates.

All the events and situations you are reporting on ARE connected, are part of a whole picture. You have done a great job of putting it all together in a meaningful way so that we can make sense of it and try to do whatever we can to deal with it.

THANK YOU, OP.
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@op didn't say anything specific would happen today. What he said is that the facts are accelerating at a speed that maybe, (just maybe), the update planned for the 15th could have become irrelevant because it is already known to everyone.
As I understand it, @op believes that the collapse of civilization will come via politics, having a strong catalyst in the US election, and the virus is possibly a military accident that forced TPTB to advance an already pre-planned agenda.

Forgive me if I got it wrong.

I have no baggage and means to even comment on all of this. I just know that the numbers don't lie. And the numbers are saying that the day of civilization is over, there is no more light, we are at night, and every minute it will be darker and colder.
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I will use your reply for another update.


This update is a short reminder of what I have posted in the recent days, with a CLEAR SCOPE : to tell you guys why I have considered November 15th, 2020, the day when events will start to accelerate, on all fronts.



On November 8th, I posted my "political" update. It wasn't received well, and I am to blame for this.

However, this thread is not exclusively about the numbers, and I accepted replies that were about politics, religion, prepping, astrology and even cosmic events, as long as they were not too far out, and the thread will still maintain it's "pandemic only" characteristic.


Maybe I went too far in my "political" update, but I believe that what I have said was correct...and what happened in the days after Nov.8th, confirm my theory.



So, some excerpts from my Nov. 8th update :

I said, a long time ago, that I have my theory on what is going on, but I have avoided to tell it, because while it is not unheard of, it is still outside the goal of the thread, which is about the pandemic, and not the conspiracy behind it.

I have hinted, in the past, that anarchy and martial law is coming by the end of this year, and mad max scenario is still a probability.

Once the fraud will be crystal clear, with undeniable proofs, and SCOTUS still deciding in favor of Biden and the globalists, Trump will do what no President did before him, and this is going to be the UNPRECEDENTED EVENT : he will not accept the treachery and will CALL ALL AMERICANS to defend the U.S. and the Constitution.


And the patriots will answer. The globalists forces will react, sending in Antifa, BLM and other organizations to fight the "enemy".


This is the perfect solution for civil war / anarchy : dismiss the fraud and play Trump's unavoidable response to such treachery.





Basically, on Nov.8th, I have said that the elections in the U.S. were stolen, the fraud will be crystal clear, but despite this, the elections will be considered fair, Biden will be officially called the next President, but Trump will not concede and call in all patriots to defend America and the Constitution, all this shenanigans ending up in Civil War in the U.S.


The pandemic role in all of the above is simple : the globalists will used it as an opportunity, and hasten their plans.




Some excerpts from my update on November 12th.:


What is going to happen in the next days and weeks, is going to be unbelievable.

Things that were considered, by most people, impossible to happen...will happen, starting in the next days, and continuing, with tremendous speed, in the next weeks.




Everyone is expecting Trump to turn this around, LEGALLY : recounts, ballot canvasing, removal of illegal ballots (be it because they were late, or fraudulent, or whatever), or pushing the elections to SCOTUS and later to the House of Representatives.

The NWO blatantly STOLE the elections...and I don't think that they will just roll over and let Trump turn it around. They have ALREADY cross a dangerous red lane...they will cross ALL the red lines.



If the NWO is going to let Trump turn this around, it will be for a single reason : provoking civil war in the U.S., force Trump to declare martial law, and once it will be over, they will DEMONIZE Trump and the Republicans for the civil war, using their immense power of manipulation and control of all sources of information.

Check the video in this thread :

Thread: Paul Weston: This Coup D'Etat Could Lead to U.S. Civil War — from YouTube. Definitely worth watching!

(Just like Paul Weston, I did not CALLED for bloodshed in the U.S....but I see it coming)


The Million MAGA March on November 14th was a breath away from turning into the start of the Civil War. There were clashes and street brawls...it wasn't far from turning into a bloodbath.

Thank God, it didn't.



But, I remind you all that when I said that the NWO will go ALL THE WAY to get rid of Trump, I was serious, and looking at what happened just AFTER the Million MAGA March, confirms my theory.


First, the so-called recounts of votes are STILL DONE w/o the presence of Republican observers.

Secondly, Dominion software have a built-in program for recounts...and it will obviously recount the same way as it counted.

Trump's tweets are clear cut : he won't concede, no matter what, because the elections were obviously stolen.



We are rapidly approaching the moment when the elections will be ruled in favor of Biden, and the last resort that Trump have is Supreme Court of the United States, in the hopes that they will nullify the elections in enough states, so no candidate gets 270 electoral votes.


I believe that SCOTUS will NOT DO THAT. I believe that SCOTUS might invalidate some state elections, but not enough for Biden to go under 270.



When we will get to that point, because I believe that SCOTUS is IN THE GAME of removing Trump (hence, giving the U.S. to the globalists), what is left from my prediction is Trump not to concede, and patriots uprising en masse.


The pandemic goes as I expected. Lock-downs are popping up everywhere. It is not going to work. The most, it will plateau the pandemic, or even show a small decrease, for the next 3 weeks, but another spike will happen in Europe in early December.


The events will start rolling at great speed, from now on, from U.S. gripped by unrest and civil war-like armed clashes, to Europe seeing widespread unrest.


I know that Christmas is on 25th of December...but I really don't see it happening.



This thread intent is to have everyone preparing for what is coming. The pandemic is clearly going to get worse. But as I said multiple times before, unexpected events will delay or hasten the mad max-like scenario, and one of those events is clearly what is happening in the U.S.


It is NOT my fault that the events in the U.S. are POLITICAL by nature, and while this thread is about the pandemic, I cannot ignore events of such magnitude, especially because they are taking place EXACTLY because of the pandemic.



So, I am sorry that I am still talking about this, but I don't see why those that visit this thread and prepared for the pandemic (which will last at least one more year) not to prepare for something even worse...and that is a societal collapse, brought by the pandemic AND events outside the pandemic, which, sadly, are taking place in the same time frame.
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Thread: Hospital Nurse Here; Something has changed with the "Covid" crap

All politics aside (as this thread, I believe, above all else, does save lives), what I read yesterday in the above link gave me the willies. That thread has expanded greatly overnight, and I've not read it all. What do you all think?

Also, why do people insist there will be 'no 2nd wave' when we are clearly in the midst of such and seeing exponential+ growth and people are more resistant to 'restrictions' or 'lockdowns' than ever before?

I agree it's still going to have to get a lot worse before it even sniffs getting better.

On the bright side, with cases still rising in this (my) small county, I have finally convinced my wife (after 3 weeks+) to pull her son out of 'hybrid' and back to full time 'online' education. With the school closed next week for local Thanksgiving whatnots, I would be very surprised if they reopen following that holiday weekend, assuming cases rise with the same arc. Also, it's about to start getting cold/snowy, so fingers crossed here.

Hope you all are well. Been here since the beginning, don't always log in to post, but thanks for all of the contributions to this excellent thread, as well as DR's continued analysis/engagement. EVERYTHING is political, so it is not a surprise to me that governmental or other types of political intersections appear on this thread, and I'm certainly not hung up on it. Carry on!

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If the "enemy" came from the skies , or even from AI, people might band together to fight. Especially, if they dont know who is an alien or cyborg.
There is a Black Mirror episode where soldiers' visions are impaired due to an AI implant. They hunted anyone who lived outside the cities, and saw them as grotesque monsters.
One soldier's vision started to glitch and he saw them as they really were: ordinary people who lived off grid but had to hide from the transhumans or they would be killed.
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DR, I appreciate your COVID updates and predictions; I have been following you since the beginning. I don't post much here, but I read every day.

I have spent the last several days digesting your latest update. And I just don't see the grand conspiracy to take over the world. Nor do I believe that a Civil War is likely, or even possible, these days. Armed skirmishes are different than Civil War. With no clear cut boundaries, Civil War seems difficult to prosecute. In THE Civil War, it was North vs South, very clear lines of demarcation. Yes, there were supporters of the 'other side' caught on the wrong side of the front lines, but for the most part, you knew who the enemy was, and where he was. Today, only the outliers on each 'side' might be willing to fight. The vast majority are in the middle, and won't fight. And the fights won't be widespread, but localized. Armed confrontations will occur, and will be quickly put down by the military. I just don't see it blossoming into a full scale war, not until the lines are more clearly physically drawn. Riots? Sure. Armed riots? Sure. Civil War, not at all likely, IMHO.

As for globalization, history is rife with attempts at
"globalization", often by ethnicity or religion. All eventually fail or collapse. The 'elite', if nothing else, are students of history, often their family lines participating in those past efforts. There is no upside to globalization for the elite, and they know it. Especially if they already run the world, as many believe.

Thanks again, for the COVID modeling.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


That sounds about right tbf. There will be skirmishes etc but human nature is too tribal at a core genetic and cultural level to ever unite in a one purpose idealism, I don’t see how it could be achievable.

Factionism and tribal nature will always override an artificially imposed ideal. It’s just our base animalistic human need to fight all the time and take sides. Hence the popularity of sports. Our new age coliseums.
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If the "enemy" came from the skies , or even from AI, people might band together to fight. Especially, if they dont know who is an alien or cyborg.
There is a Black Mirror episode where soldiers' visions are impaired due to an AI implant. They hunted anyone who lived outside the cities, and saw them as grotesque monsters.
One soldier's vision started to glitch and he saw them as they really were: ordinary people who lived off grid but had to hide from the transhumans or they would be killed.
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Never watched that serie... Always wanted to but somehow I never find time.
Fascinating!

However, I think that people will never band together to fight a common enemy.
The pandemic showed again that we, humans, are incapable of fighting a common enemy together.

Even if aliens came from the skies, there would be thousands of people telling that those beings are actors paid to stage some kind of fake doom.

Human beings have always searched for the "truth", but sometimes the truth is too "heavy" to be accepted.

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If the "enemy" came from the skies , or even from AI, people might band together to fight. Especially, if they dont know who is an alien or cyborg.
There is a Black Mirror episode where soldiers' visions are impaired due to an AI implant. They hunted anyone who lived outside the cities, and saw them as grotesque monsters.
One soldier's vision started to glitch and he saw them as they really were: ordinary people who lived off grid but had to hide from the transhumans or they would be killed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79502658


Never watched that serie... Always wanted to but somehow I never find time.
Fascinating!

However, I think that people will never band together to fight a common enemy.
The pandemic showed again that we, humans, are incapable of fighting a common enemy together.

Even if aliens came from the skies, there would be thousands of people telling that those beings are actors paid to stage some kind of fake doom.

Human beings have always searched for the "truth", but sometimes the truth is too "heavy" to be accepted.
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Exactly. In my local pub people of all political persuasions agree and disagree over the course of the night according to the context. At a village level the complexities of the factionism is staggering, little cliques here and there, certainly no homogeneous idealism anywhere.

Unfortunately I think many politicians don’t talk to normal people so don’t understand how we think. They talk to each other in ideology obsessed terms and don’t realise that that’s not how we operate. They exist in echo chambers telling them it’s a great idea.

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DR, I appreciate your COVID updates and predictions; I have been following you since the beginning. I don't post much here, but I read every day.

I have spent the last several days digesting your latest update. And I just don't see the grand conspiracy to take over the world. Nor do I believe that a Civil War is likely, or even possible, these days. Armed skirmishes are different than Civil War. With no clear cut boundaries, Civil War seems difficult to prosecute. In THE Civil War, it was North vs South, very clear lines of demarcation. Yes, there were supporters of the 'other side' caught on the wrong side of the front lines, but for the most part, you knew who the enemy was, and where he was. Today, only the outliers on each 'side' might be willing to fight. The vast majority are in the middle, and won't fight. And the fights won't be widespread, but localized. Armed confrontations will occur, and will be quickly put down by the military. I just don't see it blossoming into a full scale war, not until the lines are more clearly physically drawn. Riots? Sure. Armed riots? Sure. Civil War, not at all likely, IMHO.

As for globalization, history is rife with attempts at
"globalization", often by ethnicity or religion. All eventually fail or collapse. The 'elite', if nothing else, are students of history, often their family lines participating in those past efforts. There is no upside to globalization for the elite, and they know it. Especially if they already run the world, as many believe.

Thanks again, for the COVID modeling.
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You are clearly not versed in history. Just because you do not believe it will happen does not mean it wont.
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DR, I appreciate your COVID updates and predictions; I have been following you since the beginning. I don't post much here, but I read every day.

I have spent the last several days digesting your latest update. And I just don't see the grand conspiracy to take over the world. Nor do I believe that a Civil War is likely, or even possible, these days. Armed skirmishes are different than Civil War. With no clear cut boundaries, Civil War seems difficult to prosecute. In THE Civil War, it was North vs South, very clear lines of demarcation. Yes, there were supporters of the 'other side' caught on the wrong side of the front lines, but for the most part, you knew who the enemy was, and where he was. Today, only the outliers on each 'side' might be willing to fight. The vast majority are in the middle, and won't fight. And the fights won't be widespread, but localized. Armed confrontations will occur, and will be quickly put down by the military. I just don't see it blossoming into a full scale war, not until the lines are more clearly physically drawn. Riots? Sure. Armed riots? Sure. Civil War, not at all likely, IMHO.

As for globalization, history is rife with attempts at
"globalization", often by ethnicity or religion. All eventually fail or collapse. The 'elite', if nothing else, are students of history, often their family lines participating in those past efforts. There is no upside to globalization for the elite, and they know it. Especially if they already run the world, as many believe.

Thanks again, for the COVID modeling.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Don't think classic civil war.

More like armed insurgency. Guerilla warfare.
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This isn't fighting some 3rd world junta. I can't see any coordinated way this could happen in the US.
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What do you think would happen if everyone switched to true PPE (N95, KN95, KF-94). Personally I believe it would be as effective as a world wide lockdown but much more sustainable and obviously virtually no real impact.

S. Korea gets accolades for testing and contact tracing, which is why they have less then 500 deaths; but the real thing they also did different was distribute KF-94 masks to all pharmacies everywhere.

The cloth mask falacy is what is causing the US problem, because unless you can get EVERYONE to wear cloth masks they don't work. Even with everyone wearing them I still question if it is enough.

Thoughts??
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I know you asked OP, but if I can add a couple of thoughts: The N95 and similar masks require fit testing and technically a medical clearance from a doctor to wear. We can't even get people to stop wearing their surgical masks on their chin. Those people aren't going to be any better at wearing N95s.

Doesn't matter how much money you throw at a problem, the weak link is always going to be the human element.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


I appreciate the thought; but I firmly believe that in regular settings N95s will still give much better results.

I've heard this argument before, and of course it's true - but in context fit testing is very important when :
a) source control must be near perfect, for example when working with a sterile surgical field.

b) when working frequently with high-risk or covid positive patients, or during high-risk procedures where aresolized virus are likely to be generated.

Of course if someone is wearing the mask on their chin there is nothing we can do; but for regular people, wearing the mask correctly to their best of their ability, I do not believe fit, or even shaving facial hair is required.
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DR, I appreciate your COVID updates and predictions; I have been following you since the beginning. I don't post much here, but I read every day.

I have spent the last several days digesting your latest update. And I just don't see the grand conspiracy to take over the world. Nor do I believe that a Civil War is likely, or even possible, these days. Armed skirmishes are different than Civil War. With no clear cut boundaries, Civil War seems difficult to prosecute. In THE Civil War, it was North vs South, very clear lines of demarcation. Yes, there were supporters of the 'other side' caught on the wrong side of the front lines, but for the most part, you knew who the enemy was, and where he was. Today, only the outliers on each 'side' might be willing to fight. The vast majority are in the middle, and won't fight. And the fights won't be widespread, but localized. Armed confrontations will occur, and will be quickly put down by the military. I just don't see it blossoming into a full scale war, not until the lines are more clearly physically drawn. Riots? Sure. Armed riots? Sure. Civil War, not at all likely, IMHO.

As for globalization, history is rife with attempts at
"globalization", often by ethnicity or religion. All eventually fail or collapse. The 'elite', if nothing else, are students of history, often their family lines participating in those past efforts. There is no upside to globalization for the elite, and they know it. Especially if they already run the world, as many believe.

Thanks again, for the COVID modeling.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

You are clearly not versed in history. Just because you do not believe it will happen does not mean it wont.
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I was very well versed in history. I've forgot much in my 59 years. And you are correct, what I believe doesn't mean it won't happen.

If you are so well versed in history, name one effective and sustained attempt at globalization or world power consolidation in the last 2500 years. (Hint: if some nebulous group could have done it, it would have been done by now.)

Using a virus is a very sloppy way to crash the markets, sending everything spiraling out of control. Using this virus is a very sloppy way to cull the population. There are a lot simpler and more effective methods to do these things. If it's about saving the resources for themselves, why not burn it down quick. Why let things drag out and give countries time to figure out an effective treatment and/or vax?

But, I've said my piece. I have no need to debate my opinion.

This is not an efficient way to globalize. Very sloppy.

Peace. And good luck.

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Has anyone else in the UK been contacted by their GP surgery to gage the interest in taking the vaccine yet? I had a message today asking if I would be interested. Of course NO was the answer but they’re clearly planning on putting these things out there into the populations soon.

Something just feels very off about everything though, it’s like the whole planet shifted into an alternate universe. Is this history repeating itself where civilisation tears itself apart just as we were on the cusp of greatness?

The dark ages are beckoning us once again, ready to welcome us with open alms.
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Has anyone else in the UK been contacted by their GP surgery to gage the interest in taking the vaccine yet? I had a message today asking if I would be interested. Of course NO was the answer but they’re clearly planning on putting these things out there into the populations soon.

Something just feels very off about everything though, it’s like the whole planet shifted into an alternate universe. Is this history repeating itself where civilisation tears itself apart just as we were on the cusp of greatness?

The dark ages are beckoning us once again, ready to welcome us with open alms.
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How can ig be used when it has been peer reviewed or the temperature/transportation issues havent been solved?
It has to be at least 6 months away from implementation...unless, they had it all ready already.
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Has anyone else in the UK been contacted by their GP surgery to gage the interest in taking the vaccine yet? I had a message today asking if I would be interested. Of course NO was the answer but they’re clearly planning on putting these things out there into the populations soon.

Something just feels very off about everything though, it’s like the whole planet shifted into an alternate universe. Is this history repeating itself where civilisation tears itself apart just as we were on the cusp of greatness?

The dark ages are beckoning us once again, ready to welcome us with open alms.
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How can ig be used when it has been peer reviewed or the temperature/transportation issues havent been solved?
It has to be at least 6 months away from implementation...unless, they had it all ready already.
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Thread: Uncle Intel, largest cold/frozen storage operation in the US has had systems completely shut down

Put on standby for the ready?
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Has anyone else in the UK been contacted by their GP surgery to gage the interest in taking the vaccine yet? I had a message today asking if I would be interested. Of course NO was the answer but they’re clearly planning on putting these things out there into the populations soon.

Something just feels very off about everything though, it’s like the whole planet shifted into an alternate universe. Is this history repeating itself where civilisation tears itself apart just as we were on the cusp of greatness?

The dark ages are beckoning us once again, ready to welcome us with open alms.
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How can ig be used when it has been peer reviewed or the temperature/transportation issues havent been solved?
It has to be at least 6 months away from implementation...unless, they had it all ready already.
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Thread: Uncle Intel, largest cold/frozen storage operation in the US has had systems completely shut down

Put on standby for the ready?
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This headline struck me as well. I wonder if this is a case of sabotage or somnambulism or both? Was anything important being stored there?

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Has anyone else in the UK been contacted by their GP surgery to gage the interest in taking the vaccine yet? I had a message today asking if I would be interested. Of course NO was the answer but they’re clearly planning on putting these things out there into the populations soon.

Something just feels very off about everything though, it’s like the whole planet shifted into an alternate universe. Is this history repeating itself where civilisation tears itself apart just as we were on the cusp of greatness?

The dark ages are beckoning us once again, ready to welcome us with open alms.
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How can ig be used when it has been peer reviewed or the temperature/transportation issues havent been solved?
It has to be at least 6 months away from implementation...unless, they had it all ready already.
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Thread: Uncle Intel, largest cold/frozen storage operation in the US has had systems completely shut down

Put on standby for the ready?
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This headline struck me as well. I wonder if this is a case of sabotage or somnambulism or both? Was anything important being stored there?

vendetta
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If food is considered important :)
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DR, I appreciate your COVID updates and predictions; I have been following you since the beginning. I don't post much here, but I read every day.

I have spent the last several days digesting your latest update. And I just don't see the grand conspiracy to take over the world. Nor do I believe that a Civil War is likely, or even possible, these days. Armed skirmishes are different than Civil War. With no clear cut boundaries, Civil War seems difficult to prosecute. In THE Civil War, it was North vs South, very clear lines of demarcation. Yes, there were supporters of the 'other side' caught on the wrong side of the front lines, but for the most part, you knew who the enemy was, and where he was. Today, only the outliers on each 'side' might be willing to fight. The vast majority are in the middle, and won't fight. And the fights won't be widespread, but localized. Armed confrontations will occur, and will be quickly put down by the military. I just don't see it blossoming into a full scale war, not until the lines are more clearly physically drawn. Riots? Sure. Armed riots? Sure. Civil War, not at all likely, IMHO.

As for globalization, history is rife with attempts at
"globalization", often by ethnicity or religion. All eventually fail or collapse. The 'elite', if nothing else, are students of history, often their family lines participating in those past efforts. There is no upside to globalization for the elite, and they know it. Especially if they already run the world, as many believe.

Thanks again, for the COVID modeling.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Don't think classic civil war.

More like armed insurgency. Guerilla warfare.
 Quoting: President Elect LJS


This isn't fighting some 3rd world junta. I can't see any coordinated way this could happen in the US.
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I have been puzzled to see some claiming success to curve the contagions, undoubtedly the measures taken have had some impact in slowing the spread, but from that to almost claim victory is a very long shot.
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OP, when is your next update? Thank you!
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I don't know why but a lot of people don't seem to be understand that it can so bad in one place and no real problem in another (for a while).

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DR shouldn't censor people who disagree with his NWO fantasies and efforts to provoke a civil war in the US. He is acting like Jack.
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He didn't censor me, and I disagreed with him.




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He didn’t censor me. I disagreed. In the end, he was right and I was wrong.
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He didn’t censor me. I disagreed. In the end, he was right and I was wrong.
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I agree with his number and the pandemic. He is out to lunch on his NWO fantasies and a civil war in the US. And he censored comments and banned me. IP resent fixed that, but come on....
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DR's prediction of Europe wide full lockdowns by mid-November has failed to materialize. Infact, the European infections have gone down in November without the need for the lockdowns that DR touted.

DR, where did you go man? You kinda quiet lately.

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