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WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month

 
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Dr i think there will be no offensive

Ukraine army has been decimated. Western weapons have been vaporized. Western air defense is useless. Not to talk of the absence of air support... And without air support there cannot be any offensive.

Ukraine war is over because Ukraine has not enough weapons and because russia does not want to annex more Oblast (since territorial annexations have enormous costs)

Maybe the west is looking for a confrontation with Russia in Kosovo
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I really appreciate a legitimate and informative reply to this question.

I don't think this is for OP, unless he is an admin or has a direct relationship with one.

Every time I've tried to post, I'm getting a ban message. This is from my computer, as I'm on my mobile device right now.

The funny thing is, I posted about a week ago that the OP should change the subject line of this thread. That post was rejected, but now I see that it's been refreshed.

What in the Sam Hill is going on here? The vast majority of the content on this message board is useless, or comes from very mentally unstable people, there's no doubt in my mind about that. So why is it a person like me, who has reasonable things to say keeps getting banned and rejected? FYI I'm unemployed and cannot afford any monthly fee that you guys are charging.

Thanks ahead of time, even though I realized 99% of my replies will be shit posting and bullying.
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Dr i think there will be no offensive

Ukraine army has been decimated. Western weapons have been vaporized. Western air defense is useless. Not to talk of the absence of air support... And without air support there cannot be any offensive.

Ukraine war is over because Ukraine has not enough weapons and because russia does not want to annex more Oblast (since territorial annexations have enormous costs)

Maybe the west is looking for a confrontation with Russia in Kosovo
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85911104




And this is exactly why there is going to be an Ukrainian offensive.


They have no other option. The U.S. was crystal clear : the war will be over when Russia losses, retreats from Ukraine, and will be militarily and economically weakened to the point of becoming unable to do another invasion ever.



You might think this is just talk...but you seem to forget that this never was about Ukraine. It was always about U.S. supremacy, and Russia is challenging it. The only way for the U.S. to keep this supremacy, is war. The only way for Russia to challenge it, it's war.


As for Russia not taking more oblasts...you are very wrong. Russia is aiming to take at least 4 more oblasts (with Russian majority : Nykolayev, Odessa, Kharkov and Dniepropetrovsk ), along 2 more, as buffer, before stopping and negociate with the U.S.



There are 3 ways that this war is going to proceed :

1.The current attrition war (which Russia will win in the end).

2.An Ukrainian offensive, that will either fail, and the West intervenes, or it is successful, and Russia starts general mobilization, while bombing Ukraine to the stone age, and the West still intervenes.

3.A Russian offensive that will either be successful, Ukrainian army is obliterated and the West intervenes, or it will fail, Russia will escalate to massive bombings, and the West intervenes.


If you believe that this war is going to end WITHOUT a direct confrontation between NATO and Russia, you are simply dreaming.



There won't be PEACE before one side is BEATEN on the battlefield...and those TWO sides are NATO and Russia.
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Thanks DR for your latest update, cheers. :-)
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Dr i think there will be no offensive

Ukraine army has been decimated. Western weapons have been vaporized. Western air defense is useless. Not to talk of the absence of air support... And without air support there cannot be any offensive.

Ukraine war is over because Ukraine has not enough weapons and because russia does not want to annex more Oblast (since territorial annexations have enormous costs)

Maybe the west is looking for a confrontation with Russia in Kosovo
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85911104




And this is exactly why there is going to be an Ukrainian offensive.


They have no other option. The U.S. was crystal clear : the war will be over when Russia losses, retreats from Ukraine, and will be militarily and economically weakened to the point of becoming unable to do another invasion ever.



You might think this is just talk...but you seem to forget that this never was about Ukraine. It was always about U.S. supremacy, and Russia is challenging it. The only way for the U.S. to keep this supremacy, is war. The only way for Russia to challenge it, it's war.


As for Russia not taking more oblasts...you are very wrong. Russia is aiming to take at least 4 more oblasts (with Russian majority : Nykolayev, Odessa, Kharkov and Dniepropetrovsk ), along 2 more, as buffer, before stopping and negociate with the U.S.



There are 3 ways that this war is going to proceed :

1.The current attrition war (which Russia will win in the end).

2.An Ukrainian offensive, that will either fail, and the West intervenes, or it is successful, and Russia starts general mobilization, while bombing Ukraine to the stone age, and the West still intervenes.

3.A Russian offensive that will either be successful, Ukrainian army is obliterated and the West intervenes, or it will fail, Russia will escalate to massive bombings, and the West intervenes.


If you believe that this war is going to end WITHOUT a direct confrontation between NATO and Russia, you are simply dreaming.



There won't be PEACE before one side is BEATEN on the battlefield...and those TWO sides are NATO and Russia.
 Quoting: Recollector


BUT - Ukraine has no army - it’s gone - obliterated.

For an offensive to do anything it has to be NATO driven and that will be obvious. As drones dropping on Russian soil - Ukraine is not able to this kind of attack on its own!

At some point Putin will have had enough!

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I don't know if this update will be considered good news or bad news. I tend to consider it very bad news, but it the same time, it might end up, when things settle, to be good news...and that is avoiding WW3.


Pretty much the only "good" news at this point, for me, is for WW3 to be avoided, at least for a while.



Now, onto the update.



I believe that Ukrainian offensive is imminent, I believe that Russians are ready for it, the West is ready for it, and I believe it will escalate the war to the point of a direct collision between Russia and NATO.


Where is this offensive is going to take place?



As you remember, I presented 3 scenarios :

1.Small scale offensive, but on multiple areas, with part of the Ukrainian reserves being used.

2.Larger scale offensive, on a small number of areas, with most Ukrainian reserves being used.

3.A large scale offensive with Ukraine throwing everything in.



I have dismissed the last scenario as being suicidal for Ukraine, but I have also said that it is possible, because the West is THAT STUPID to actually determine Ukraine to do it.



At this point in time, I believe that exactly this scenario is going to take place : a large scale Ukrainian, "all-in", offensive, and this is why :


1.Ukraine cannot win the current war of attrition against Russia. They have 5 time less people (Ukraine population is at this moment, at most 22 million people) and at least 5 to 10 times, or even more, less artillery then Russians.

2.The West is unable to close the population gap, unless it goes to war, directly, against Russia.

3.The West will need AT LEAST one more year (some say 2,3, or even more years) to catch up and match Russia military industrial complex, in terms of weapons and ammo production. So, no chance for Ukraine to close the gap in artillery.

4.Ukraine have, at best, very limited air support...unless the West uses it's own jets and airfields to attack Russian forces.



For the above reasons, I believe that Ukraine is going "all-in"...BUT, and this is where things will go hairy : the West will enter the war directly, DURING THE OFFENSIVE, and not after.



Keep in mind that this is highly speculative, but I kinda outside the above reasons, I have more to believe that this is the way the West chose to go.



The offensive is going to take place in Kherson region. According to many, this is the least place where Ukraine could launch its offensive. The biggest problem is that many people STILL don't understand, or don't want to accept the REALITY : and that is that Ukraine CANNOT HOPE TO WIN UNLESS THE WEST IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED DIRECTLY.


And since it is painfully CLEAR that West must be directly involved, while also is painfully clear that Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition, it is also, at least for me, painfully clear that the BEST PLACE for this offensive is Kherson.



First, and most important reason WHY Kherson, is Odessa. Without Odessa, Ukraine is CUT OFF from the Black Sea, and this means that without access to Black Sea, Ukraine is going to be a very poor country.



Even if the war continues, Ukraine without Odessa will be in a much worse position then it is today.


Secondly, the West is in the best position to support the Ukraine offensive if it takes place in Kherson. Imagine NATO jets having to fly over Crimea and Kherson, to attack Russians in Zaporoje. Or Donbass. Or ANY OTHER place if the Ukrainian offensive is anywhere else BUT Kherson.


Thirdly, we all know that there are a lot of U.S. and British special forces in Ukraine, and they are very good at amphibious operations and bridge heads in littoral areas. Kherson is basically a littoral area, you have the Black Sea and the Dnieper river is very large in that area.



So, if my assumption is correct, the Ukrainian offensive will start in Kherson, supported by U.S. and British special forces.


Another major reason, the fourth, is the MEDIA FRENZY in the West, which we all know is highly important for Western propaganda.


An offensive in Kherson, with a push towards Crimes, is going to fill up the hearts and minds of Ukraine supporters, and give them high hopes that Ukraine can actually win.



BUT, and here comes a very big BUT : NO MATTER HOW GOOD those U.S. and British forces are, and how many Ukrainian troops manage to develop a bridge head on the left side of Dnieper river, the chances are still in favor of the Russians : they will bomb the crap out of that bridge head, with everything they have : jets, missiles, artillery, tanks, drones, BUT NOT BEFORE RETREATING TOWARDS CRIMEA.



In other words, such an offensive, and I agree with most people, in Kherson, is doomed to fail...but this is EXACTLY WHY is going to take place there.



In the first days of the operations, the hopes will be high among the Western population, especially after Russians will RETREAT towards Crimea.


Once the Russians start bombing the living hell out of the Ukrainians in Kherson bridge head, and start pushing them back, the Western media will go with headlines that will make the Western supporters of Ukraine afraid, to the point of openly asking for a direct intervention of NATO.



And this is what it is going to happen, especially because once Ukraine is lured into pouring more troops into Kherson, thinking that Russians are retreating and running (especially since the narrative is that Russian army is crap, and only Wagner is any good...but they aren't in Kherson), the Russians will counter ALL OVER THE FRONT LINE.



I am telling you guys, if you want Russia to REALLY REACT, no amount of drones flying to Moscow, or missile dropping in Donetsk city is going to get them mad as a direct attack on Crimea...and this is best to be done by an offensive in Kherson, across the river.



The WEAKEST (by Russian intent) area of Russian defense is Kherson, and everyone is saying this is because the river is plenty of defense. Sure it is, unless the INTENT of the West is to use a suicidal offensive, that will fail, force a massive Russian response, and in turn, have the very reason that they repeated it since before the invasion started : THE RUSSIANS WANT TO INVADE EUROPE and recreate the Soviet Empire.


The success of the offensive, in the least expected part of the front, paired with a Russian retreat towards Crimes, is going to make every idiot on the planet frenzy for Ukraine.


The Russian push back, and the devastating response to Crimea being attacked, is going to make the idiots thinking that "Well, Ukraine got owned, and now the Russians are coming", supported by Western MSM, will, finally, drag NATO in the conflict, and the idiots will be "Now we're going to smash Russia".



Everything is going to be played just like I said A LONG TIME GO : a succession of shocks and pauses, to perfectly confuse the populations, and making them not understand what is going on, but in the same time, accept, the narrative, because like it or not, war IS COMPLICATED, and no matter what, PEOPLE ARE STILL NEEDED to fight wars.



Obviously, I might be wrong, and the offensive won't take place in Kherson, but I still believe that at least PART of this suicidal offensive will be in Kherson, because it makes a hell lot of sense, at least for me.



Anyway, the offensive is imminent, and we will see how it is going to play out. Disregard any other things that might happen before or during, like drones hitting Russian territory. It is all a distraction.



The main event is coming. The bad news is that the West will going to be directly involved, but I believe that Russians will prevail (the trap they have set up for the West worked very good until now, and I don't see why it won't in the future), and the West will ACCEPT the reality, and not resort to a full blown war, which will escalate to nuclear, very quickly.




So, this is why I see this as very bad news, but with a good potential to become good news : the war will be over, Russia will prevail, the West will accept defeat in Ukraine without choosing to escalate inside Russia.



But, it might be that it is going to be just bad news after bad news, up and including nuclear war.
 Quoting: Recollector



Impressive analysis, DR, seems to me. As always.

I've learned much following this thread. Your perspective of being 'on the ground', so to say, in 'close enough' proximity to these unfolding events is quite impactful, and the regulars here (near and far) also offer important insight.

The idea that all sides are still sort-of holding back is more than a little terrifying, but there seems to be a lot more saber-rattling than diplomacy geared toward ratcheting up the conflict. Still waiting for the other sW.H.O.e to drop regarding social controls etc. as the days go on. Keep after it...

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Ukraine war: 'Offensive actions' under way in east, Kyiv says.

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I get the feeling the offensive will come to nothing but rapid deaths for Ukraine!!!!

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Where is the political legitimacy for engaging sovereign resources - all of the Western nations - in war over Ukraine ?
Retro-fitting Ukraine into NATO does not even come close to addressing this question.
In both World Wars they were at least able to claim treaty obligations. They at least bothered to formally declare war. The people had some idea at least of what was going on.
If OP's thoughtful analyses are broadly correct then I appear to have a 30% chance of becoming the victim of a nuclear holocaust in the near future [ and the other 2 possibilities ain't so great, either] WITHOUT ONE SINGLE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE, OR EVEN VOICE AN OPINION on the matter, in a so-called democracy.
Since all the so-called democracies are reading from the same script, just as they did over Covid, is it not reasonable to conclude that they are being controlled by a supra-national entity who is entirely unaccountable ?
That it has been de facto "in charge " for three or four years, as an absolute minimum, that it is tightening its hold all the time - the WHO treaty amongst others, - yet our frame of reference remains the same - pro or anti, Nato or Russia, China or the Us, Trump or Biden. This is out of date thinking. For everybody in the West our very existences have been handed over to a body we cannot name, a covert organisation of psychopathic criminal intent - its first 2 actions being to cause a medical disaster, and then a savage war - and to whom we owe no allegiance
Boston Tea Party mark 2 is what's wanted now.
All over the West.

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Then…..

 Quoting: GravyForTheBrian


Not surprised Ukraine blew it up, they’ve been threatening to blow it up since last year.
 Quoting: VampPatriot


That's right.
Don't be surprised if Russia wipes Kiev
off the map. Hope Zelensky's there when they do.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85931802


False flag by Ukraine / NATO !!!!
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Instead of the counteroffensive, we have the nova kakhova dam destroyed
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Instead of the counteroffensive, we have the nova kakhova dam destroyed
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This is an event that many didn't see it coming. Like, many. Including me.


But, since it happened, how does this event fits in current, but more importantly, in future possible military operations.


We still don't have enough info on what areas were flooded, the water levels and how long it will take before the water level stabilizes to normal values, and so, it is prematurely to make an analysis on this event.



However, if we consider this event purely from a military pov, Ukraine have gained either valuable time stopping any Russian offensive towards Odessa, by pontoon bridge crossing of the Dniepr river in Kherson area, either, at least, destroying whatever fortifications and trenches the Russians had in the vicinity of the river, making an Ukrainian offensive across Dniper river in Kherson, and stabilizing a bridge head much easier.


When taking about Odessa, we talk about Ukraine access to the sea, as well as Russian access to Transnitria. Both sides realize that Odessa is very important, but the side that gains most of this event is Ukraine.



So, plenty military reasons for Ukraine to blow up the dam. The Russians have no gain whatsoever, militarily, from blowing up the dam.



If we look at this from a political and propaganda pov, both sides can use it as pointing fingers on the other. The thing is, no side will actually had to blow the dam for propaganda only. There is enough propaganda to play with.



There is also the aspect of Crimea, the richest agricultural land in Europe and probably in the world, considering it's size, access to sea and access to irrigation. So, another reason why Russia would absolutely gain nothing from blowing up the dam.



The way I see it, is that Ukraine did this in preparation for a much bigger offensive, that I believe it will take place in Kherson, because up to this point, I see ZERO evidence that there is a serious Ukrainian offensive anywhere else on the front.



This dam blow up event, taking place in Kherson, and forcing Russian troops to retreat and lose their fortifications along the river (IF the water flooding is extensive enough, which we still don't know if it is, to affect Russian defense lines in the area), gives me more reasons to believe that the real push is going to be in Kherson, or at least Kherson is going to be a major part of any Ukrainian offensive, which is in the early stages atm (probing attacks and small local offensives).



We'll see how this goes, and how Russia will react to this.
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Just to note that Russia has said they expect the water to recede within 72 hours.
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Russia should react harshly, no? if they know or they arent guilty of it
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I get the feeling the offensive will come to nothing but rapid deaths for Ukraine!!!!

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I think blowing the Dam was an offensive move.

Flood the region so Ukrainian forces would be free to fight elsewhere.

The region flooded was heavily mined and fortified by Russia.

Now it is flooded it makes Russian military movement impossible. A defensive move, to create an offensive move elsewhere along the front.
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I get the feeling the offensive will come to nothing but rapid deaths for Ukraine!!!!

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I think blowing the Dam was an offensive move.

Flood the region so Ukrainian forces would be free to fight elsewhere.

The region flooded was heavily mined and fortified by Russia.

Now it is flooded it makes Russian military movement impossible. A defensive move, to create an offensive move elsewhere along the front.
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Assuming you are correct, then the Kiev regime has flooded out thousands of its own citizens wrecked the power supply to a major city and even potentially endangered a nuclear facility, and this is a regime the West is not only prepared to support, but to support at all costs.
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I get the feeling the offensive will come to nothing but rapid deaths for Ukraine!!!!

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I think blowing the Dam was an offensive move.

Flood the region so Ukrainian forces would be free to fight elsewhere.

The region flooded was heavily mined and fortified by Russia.

Now it is flooded it makes Russian military movement impossible. A defensive move, to create an offensive move elsewhere along the front.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


Assuming you are correct, then the Kiev regime has flooded out thousands of its own citizens wrecked the power supply to a major city and even potentially endangered a nuclear facility, and this is a regime the West is not only prepared to support, but to support at all costs.
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I've seen some commentary that blowing up a dam is a war crime. Of course they were blaming Russia, but as DR said it makes more sense that Ukraine did it.
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Is there any views that this was good for Russia ????

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Dr i think there will be no offensive

Ukraine army has been decimated. Western weapons have been vaporized. Western air defense is useless. Not to talk of the absence of air support... And without air support there cannot be any offensive.

Ukraine war is over because Ukraine has not enough weapons and because russia does not want to annex more Oblast (since territorial annexations have enormous costs)

Maybe the west is looking for a confrontation with Russia in Kosovo
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I agree with you but it seems the aim according to DR is to allow NATO to enter the mix directly.

Is that right DR?

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DR input required !!

The offensive has started / but seems pointless. As expected.
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Thread: Air Defender, NATO’s largest Air “Defense” exercise ever held, surpassing even the 80’s era REFORGERs, begins in just 72 Hrs.
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Is Ukraine going to attack transnistria?

1. The destruction of the nova kakhova dam has made very difficult for Russian troops to reach transnistria if they have to

2. Ukrainian attack in the zaporizja Oblast have no sense unless their task is to force the russians to remain on the defensive line

3. Ukraine needs weapons, mainly soviet weapons, and transnistria is plenty of them. Not to talk about the reluctance of many western countries to send other weapons
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Look at the google map, does it seems like Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station is the objective?

Next escalation will be Russia blowing up that nuclear power plant that is already held by Russian similar to the dam?
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Disaster for Ukrainians as expected
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I wonder if the NATO defender 23 exercise
will go live at the end of it. We have the Summer solstice, and this would be a nice ritual too for tptb.

On top, Ukraines pimped offensive is getting smashed day by day by the Russians. Someone posted that a dirty bomb falseflag could happen, this seems possible, and the ideal pretext for an intervention by Nato. Or they just say that they must intervene now because Ukraine is losing badly.

And everything is prepared too on Natos eastern flanks to enter Ukraine. It really seems to me that everything is in place right now.

I wonder if Russia did a big silent mobilisation
in the last 6 month. They are not stupid. And they gonna need a lot more troops and everything ready for this.
Belarus may enter too...
And of corse the NATO airfields in Germany would be attacked in retaliation.

And then on top, it's byebye economy and banking system.

What do you think guys? I am really geting a bit nervous looking ahead the next 2 weeks. ( 2 weeks of corse.lol )





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