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Pillar of Poland  User ID: 79491834  Poland10/14/2020 07:31 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Big evidence to support that Vitamin D3 saves lifes .Why nobody wants to help people with Vitamin D3 Volcano researcher with heart :) |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053  United States10/14/2020 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just a thought as I saw someone mention peaks of waves etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77356084 There have been a lot of clear comparisons drawn with the Spanish flu that mirror our situation, I was wondering though,if this could be where this current virus bucks the trend, whereby it’ll just continue proper in one huge wave through the winter (if left untamed). Is that possible? Not only possible, but is already certain. If measures aren't taken, and fast, the virus will peak in January, after it infects 40%-ish of the population. We are barely at 15% (worldwide), with MOST countries in Europe under 7%, and the U.S. at roughly 11%. Most countries will see 30% of their population infected in the next 3 to 4 months, if measures aren't taken like immediately. It is a massive number, one that cannot be sustained by our society. Very true words. But the governments know this so why the failure to shut down? I really think they want it to spread! The president of the United States absolutely wants to spread it. He is hosting several super spreader events this week. Exactly. He is NOT 'Merkas' Messiah. Time WILL bear this out Didja Miss Me ?? "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since covid is claimed to be airborne, and rides on larger particles in the air, any 'swab test' that is NOT DONE IN A PERFECTLY STERILE ENVIRONMENT is likely a contaminated sample. Quoting: Tree of Life Hence the many erroneous test results. They got your DNA, though, which was the point of TPTB after all. With all the evidence of a covid shamdemic, how is this thread not dead... it was crap from the get go, and the original premise failed almost immediately! The modelling stinks to high heaven! However, a great example of how science bends the truth or throws it out the window if it suits the 'outcome'. Total joke!! Peddle your tinfoil hat paranoia elsewhere. now here is listening to what you have to say. Cute, looks like you guys been getting beat up in my absence. I should change my Moniker to "Shill Slayer" "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UPDATE: The curfew will be implemented in 8 French cities including Paris, for at least 6 weeks, December 1st Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79490080 Other cities include Lille, Lyon, Toulouse, Montpellier, Grenoble and Rouen and Marseille It Will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Roadblocks, arrests, trenches across roads like China? "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for giving a brief description of the article. From that: The Nevada case marks the fifth case globally of reinfection, and scientists say so far that such instances are rare. I call BullShit Classic Apocaloptimist right there. <{ Edited to ADD that !?! }> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And have you guys seen the video Warning from Dr. Ron Paul? Is good, I suggest you MAKE the time to listen. Here: [link to investingoutlookreport.com (secure)] "It's ALL BullShit I Tell Ya" Michael///KD0WSJ\\\HnryBwmn Last Edited by Hnry Bwmn on 10/14/2020 08:27 PM "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 08:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UPDATE: The curfew will be implemented in 8 French cities including Paris, for at least 6 weeks, December 1st Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79490080 Other cities include Lille, Lyon, Toulouse, Montpellier, Grenoble and Rouen and Marseille We all know that the virus is especially active between 9 p.m. and 6 a.m. /s Well, I get the humor but those are the hours people like to party and in close quarters, so in a sense, yes. But totally inadequate measures if life outside of those hours continues as is. And they will continue to party, even more so. Instead of leaving the pub at 11 p.m., go to a party and leave at 3 or 4 a.m...they will leave the pub at 8:30 pm and STILL go to the party, except now they can't leave the party until 6 a.m., because of the curfew. These measures actually make things worse. "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: deplorable recollector We all know that the virus is especially active between 9 p.m. and 6 a.m. /s Well, I get the humor but those are the hours people like to party and in close quarters, so in a sense, yes. But totally inadequate measures if life outside of those hours continues as is. And they will continue to party, even more so. Instead of leaving the pub at 11 p.m., go to a party and leave at 3 or 4 a.m...they will leave the pub at 8:30 pm and STILL go to the party, except now they can't leave the party until 6 a.m., because of the curfew. These measures actually make things worse. Perhaps. I am not agreeing with the measures and defending it, but most hard core party people don't want to start at 8:30. The French don't even go out to eat until 9pm. And most people can't stay out partying all night like that for too long if they work or have other responsibilities. WOW !! you gotta go read the updates by OP on First Page !!??!! I Edit to say.....I Feel that his 'Model' Numbers Are a Good 30-50% LOW. SUPERB Post and Excellent model However. Well Done OP....This model of yours also gives credible Credence to My saying DED of CV-19 now exceeds 50 Million. >} A week ago {< Now? Well over 60 Mill and approaching 75 REAL Quick. The Soy Boys of today are NO match for "Us Men of Yesteryear" Used to get Drinking in evening, go party at Silver Dollar Salloon in Lansing Michigan With Some of the BADDEST BANDS Ever Go to party afterwards.....little bit of Fighting or maybe some luvin.... Then as the Sun rose go frame houses in 95 degree heat for 10-12 hours. Sometimes do it all over again on Saturday night. Miss those times, some superb bands and FUN Crazy times. "With a Youthful Body" I beat on and Abused Often !!??!! and of course the Obligatory: "Had I known I was Gonna Live THIS Long I would Have Taken Better Care of Myself" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  $$$$$'s WASTED!!Last Edited by Hnry Bwmn on 10/14/2020 09:33 PM "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 09:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UPDATE: The curfew will be implemented in 8 French cities including Paris, for at least 6 weeks, December 1st Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79490080 Other cities include Lille, Lyon, Toulouse, Montpellier, Grenoble and Rouen and Marseille We all know that the virus is especially active between 9 p.m. and 6 a.m., and only inside metro areas. Like vampires. Urban vampires. /s What a mess... Looks like EU leaders are trying everything to avoid a real lockdown... Btw, French people can still enjoy "matinee" parties! (yeah, I am sarcastic). Nothing against French people, it's almost the same in Italy, were Prime Minister said that people are no longer allowed to consume food and beverage outside bars and pubs after 9pm... In the meanwhile Italian Police Forces are discovering (on a daily basis) pubs literally renewed as "illegal" dancing clubs. ]Ah yes....the Rebirth of the "Speak Easy" Secret Party Bars.....EVERYWHERE. You Cannot Hold Down the Determined Partier.... OP's Big front page will also reduce the quoting....and reduce the smilie usage 'Cause now you gotta scroll down 3 friggen feet past His post !!    "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is why schools will help to create the next wave. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79485089 Results: Survival rates of SARS-CoV-2 were determined at different temperatures and D-values, Z-values and half-life were calculated. We obtained half lives of between 1.7 and 2.7 days at 20 °C, reducing to a few hours when temperature was elevated to 40 °C. With initial viral loads broadly equivalent to the highest titres excreted by infectious patients, viable virus was isolated for up to 28 days at 20 °C from common surfaces such as glass, stainless steel and both paper and polymer banknotes. Conversely, infectious virus survived less than 24 h at 40 °C on some surfaces. Conclusion: These findings demonstrate SARS-CoV-2 can remain infectious for significantly longer time periods than generally considered possible. These results could be used to inform improved risk mitigation procedures to prevent the fomite spread of COVID-19." [link to link.springer.com (secure)] THIS is why I have been baking mail and money since Feb. One hour at 200F. We already KNEW this months ago, although further confirmation is helpful. Most packages go into my truck which is not in use. 104F/40C is no problem here in Texas even in this mild weather. I just age the packages for a few days. Remind me to NOT send you any Chocolate !!??!! "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UPDATE: The curfew will be implemented in 8 French cities including Paris, for at least 6 weeks, December 1st Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79490080 Other cities include Lille, Lyon, Toulouse, Montpellier, Grenoble and Rouen and Marseille It Will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Roadblocks, arrests, trenches across roads like China? Oh, OK, curfew, Not travel banns YET China started with this when, February into March? Then I think they went Full Lockdown of Wuhan like 2 weeks later? I'll NEVER FORGET that Young Lady in the White car.... "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tomorrow, October 15th, is the date that I have consider to be the "make or break" time. Quoting: deplorable recollector The decision time : full lock-downs, or face the music. In tomorrow's update I will present, based on official data from multiple countries, and extrapolating that data to countries where that data is highly unreliable, what we can expect to experience in the next 22 weeks (mid-October 2020 to end of March 2021) and the following 6 months (April-September 2021), if full lock-downs are avoided. In a recent reply on main thread, I said that we will surpass WW2 death toll. Tomorrow you will understand why. OK, dumb question, what was number of DED from WWII ?? Wuz it 50 Mil ? "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| Hnry Bwmn User ID: 79450053 United States10/14/2020 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like shooting a bb gun at an elephant. Won't do much of anything at all.  Actually....it Will Piss off an Elephant....Get Stomped into ground. Like France is going to find out "Pissed Off Patriot" Retired Union Millwright, Turbine Mechanic <}~ Seeker of the Black Crown ~{> }> I Am the Storm <{ ~Hnry~ |
| chrion777 User ID: 79167926 United States10/14/2020 10:53 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi OP, I've been following your thread since the beginning. Thanks for providing your detailed analysis. Regarding your latest projection - I agree about the Fall season. The one thing that can make a substantial differnece is if everyone shifts to N95 masks. Even KN95 masks would work for most cases. If even half of the people (the maskers) and not the anti-maksers wore their masks that should break the back of this virus. What happens if you have a 50-60% reduction in carrier vector with an R0 4.4-6.7. It then becomes 2.2 - 3.3; Add in the already existing and immune people and you drop down closer to or hopefully under 1. How do we get people to wear N95s! these cloth masks where everyone has to wear masks to protect other people is just plain stupid. It helps just a little bit but when viewed in the big picture it is not enough. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79494642  Italy10/15/2020 12:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi OP, Quoting: chrion777 I've been following your thread since the beginning. Thanks for providing your detailed analysis. Regarding your latest projection - I agree about the Fall season. The one thing that can make a substantial differnece is if everyone shifts to N95 masks. Even KN95 masks would work for most cases. If even half of the people (the maskers) and not the anti-maksers wore their masks that should break the back of this virus. What happens if you have a 50-60% reduction in carrier vector with an R0 4.4-6.7. It then becomes 2.2 - 3.3; Add in the already existing and immune people and you drop down closer to or hopefully under 1. How do we get people to wear N95s! these cloth masks where everyone has to wear masks to protect other people is just plain stupid. It helps just a little bit but when viewed in the big picture it is not enough. You only convince idiots by methods of the Indian Police |
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| Gamechanger 2.0 User ID: 79495742  Czechia10/15/2020 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well here in Czech we recorded a new record daily infection rate of 9543, also a new death rate record of 66. I can still see this climbing substantially. The schools and upper primary schools are closed. So it’s gone halfway through the month to do this. Kindergartens are still open and will be the last to close of all the facilities, as this enables the parents to work. So it seems they are ticking off gradually places of work and socializing from occurring. But from what I understand, the kindergartens will still be a prime source of spread? |
| Gamechanger 2.0 User ID: 79495742 Czechia10/15/2020 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tomorrow, October 15th, is the date that I have consider to be the "make or break" time. Quoting: deplorable recollector The decision time : full lock-downs, or face the music. In tomorrow's update I will present, based on official data from multiple countries, and extrapolating that data to countries where that data is highly unreliable, what we can expect to experience in the next 22 weeks (mid-October 2020 to end of March 2021) and the following 6 months (April-September 2021), if full lock-downs are avoided. In a recent reply on main thread, I said that we will surpass WW2 death toll. Tomorrow you will understand why. OK, dumb question, what was number of DED from WWII ?? Wuz it 50 Mil ? That is a dumb question. Why not google it? No offense, but you’re taking up valuable thread space with nonsensical posts, that are not really adding much. Have a beautiful day |
| Leonero User ID: 79494021 Italy10/15/2020 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the same as you... Since no EU (geographically talking) countries are really deciding for strict rules or lockdowns, I think DR predictive model will lead to a very very bad things for the next future. I also wanna share some fresh news I got 10 minutes ago from one of my job colleagues (Rome - Italy)... My colleague's aunt got the Covid-19 while she was hospitalized in a "elder hospice". 6 patients are currently positive (mostly over 75 years old); two of them went ICU last night. They were all infected by a nurse, who was an asymptomatic positive. This nurse knew nothing about being positive, because the last "blood rapid test" (sierological test, no swab test) had negative result. But now, everyone is allowed to visit his relatives without presenting any kind of documentation or testing results. Although hospitals, private hospitals and hospice in Italy are really "clean" and follow all the sanitary "rules", people can enter almost freely. And I am also starting to think that sierological test may have an high percentage of "false negative" results. It is happening again what happened during the first wave. Not good... Ad Omnia Paratus |
| Red Hot Chilean Pepe User ID: 79429161  Chile10/15/2020 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the same as you... Since no EU (geographically talking) countries are really deciding for strict rules or lockdowns, I think DR predictive model will lead to a very very bad things for the next future. I also wanna share some fresh news I got 10 minutes ago from one of my job colleagues (Rome - Italy)... My colleague's aunt got the Covid-19 while she was hospitalized in a "elder hospice". 6 patients are currently positive (mostly over 75 years old); two of them went ICU last night. They were all infected by a nurse, who was an asymptomatic positive. This nurse knew nothing about being positive, because the last "blood rapid test" (sierological test, no swab test) had negative result. But now, everyone is allowed to visit his relatives without presenting any kind of documentation or testing results. Although hospitals, private hospitals and hospice in Italy are really "clean" and follow all the sanitary "rules", people can enter almost freely. And I am also starting to think that sierological test may have an high percentage of "false negative" results. It is happening again what happened during the first wave. Not good... I had wrote a comment adding a local anecdote of a similar case of asymptomatic health worker to mother transmission that ended with the demise of the health care worker mother. Something of what I wrote wasn’t liked by the GLP filter. Anyway, about serological tests, these are more prone to false negatives than PCR tests, but the problem is less from the test itself than the moment of sampling and the window of time after infection for sampling. All testing methods have uncertainties, but serological tests are harder to get right, at least in the case of Covid-19. All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79496068 Italy10/15/2020 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the same as you... Since no EU (geographically talking) countries are really deciding for strict rules or lockdowns, I think DR predictive model will lead to a very very bad things for the next future. I also wanna share some fresh news I got 10 minutes ago from one of my job colleagues (Rome - Italy)... My colleague's aunt got the Covid-19 while she was hospitalized in a "elder hospice". 6 patients are currently positive (mostly over 75 years old); two of them went ICU last night. They were all infected by a nurse, who was an asymptomatic positive. This nurse knew nothing about being positive, because the last "blood rapid test" (sierological test, no swab test) had negative result. But now, everyone is allowed to visit his relatives without presenting any kind of documentation or testing results. Although hospitals, private hospitals and hospice in Italy are really "clean" and follow all the sanitary "rules", people can enter almost freely. And I am also starting to think that sierological test may have an high percentage of "false negative" results. It is happening again what happened during the first wave. Not good... Read this [link to www.ilfattoquotidiano.it (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79471260 United Kingdom10/15/2020 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh my... Czech Republic healthcare system failing... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79471260  Germany receives the request for admission of intensive care patients. The Czech Republic has contacted German health authorities as it experiences a very large increase in severe cases of # COVID19. https://twitter.com/_/status/1316726261989900291 |
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| Spanish_guy User ID: 79493173  Spain10/15/2020 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi, Mr. Deplorable recollector. I would like to inform you that you are becoming wildly popular in one of the most important Spanish forums. People are eagerly waiting for your next update and also want to know if you have any particular forecast for Spain. I think Spain is a unique case in Europe, because it was hit most severely than any other European country and it is also the only country to have suffered a second wave during summer. Mild temperatures and a higher grade of pre-existing immunity can somehow stall this autumn/winter wave, methinks. This is the particular thread in which Spanish forum users are discussing and sharing your updates: [link to www.burbuja.info (secure)] In case you're interested you might register and drop there and say a few words. We will be following your updates from GodlikeProductions in any case (which is also becoming popular in that forum). Take care, Spanish_guy Spanish_guy |
| miabelieves User ID: 77874365 United States10/15/2020 10:03 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tomorrow, October 15th, is the date that I have consider to be the "make or break" time. Quoting: deplorable recollector The decision time : full lock-downs, or face the music. In tomorrow's update I will present, based on official data from multiple countries, and extrapolating that data to countries where that data is highly unreliable, what we can expect to experience in the next 22 weeks (mid-October 2020 to end of March 2021) and the following 6 months (April-September 2021), if full lock-downs are avoided. In a recent reply on main thread, I said that we will surpass WW2 death toll. Tomorrow you will understand why.  Hold on to your undies, it's gonna be a hell of a ride |
| Leonero User ID: 79494021 Italy10/15/2020 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the same as you... Since no EU (geographically talking) countries are really deciding for strict rules or lockdowns, I think DR predictive model will lead to a very very bad things for the next future. I also wanna share some fresh news I got 10 minutes ago from one of my job colleagues (Rome - Italy)... My colleague's aunt got the Covid-19 while she was hospitalized in a "elder hospice". 6 patients are currently positive (mostly over 75 years old); two of them went ICU last night. They were all infected by a nurse, who was an asymptomatic positive. This nurse knew nothing about being positive, because the last "blood rapid test" (sierological test, no swab test) had negative result. But now, everyone is allowed to visit his relatives without presenting any kind of documentation or testing results. Although hospitals, private hospitals and hospice in Italy are really "clean" and follow all the sanitary "rules", people can enter almost freely. And I am also starting to think that sierological test may have an high percentage of "false negative" results. It is happening again what happened during the first wave. Not good... I had wrote a comment adding a local anecdote of a similar case of asymptomatic health worker to mother transmission that ended with the demise of the health care worker mother. Something of what I wrote wasn’t liked by the GLP filter. Anyway, about serological tests, these are more prone to false negatives than PCR tests, but the problem is less from the test itself than the moment of sampling and the window of time after infection for sampling. All testing methods have uncertainties, but serological tests are harder to get right, at least in the case of Covid-19. Yeah, looks like serological are not good enough for Covid-19, and this makes me feel very anxious... Most of my clients have done the sierological test and got negative result, and my brother did it too (because he had to do a medical examination last week in hospital)... He got the result in less than 15 minutes. But I really don't trust this kind of test... Too many people who thought they were negative, infected other people... And now they also have to carry the psychological burden of what's happening to their friends and relatives. (because they had no clue about being asymptomatic cases). I think the same as you... Since no EU (geographically talking) countries are really deciding for strict rules or lockdowns, I think DR predictive model will lead to a very very bad things for the next future. I also wanna share some fresh news I got 10 minutes ago from one of my job colleagues (Rome - Italy)... My colleague's aunt got the Covid-19 while she was hospitalized in a "elder hospice". 6 patients are currently positive (mostly over 75 years old); two of them went ICU last night. They were all infected by a nurse, who was an asymptomatic positive. This nurse knew nothing about being positive, because the last "blood rapid test" (sierological test, no swab test) had negative result. But now, everyone is allowed to visit his relatives without presenting any kind of documentation or testing results. Although hospitals, private hospitals and hospice in Italy are really "clean" and follow all the sanitary "rules", people can enter almost freely. And I am also starting to think that sierological test may have an high percentage of "false negative" results. It is happening again what happened during the first wave. Not good... Read this [link to www.ilfattoquotidiano.it (secure)] Thanks dude. I already read about it. My mother spent her last months in a hospice (years ago). I can imagine the pain that patients' relatives are suffering without any chance to have a contact with their loved ones... Btw, My local story comes from an elder hospice in the "Castelli Romani" zone. Stay safe! Last Edited by Leonero on 10/15/2020 10:15 AM Ad Omnia Paratus |
