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Coronavirus Intel Clearinghouse

 
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Here you go, updated this in the master thread but want to add back here. This is a more complete list than I first posted. Everything through around this AM.

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We are foolish to believe China wants to contain this. You think they wish to be the only ones to suffer? Theyll hold the world out until theyre confident enough has spread outside to ensure equal damage.

Dead mans switch with a virus, instead of nuclear.

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Preventing total destruction is their goal. Not containing. Otherwise they would not be allowing mass exodus into vietnam, thailand, phillipines and other countries. Theyre #1, they sure as fuck arent going to allow the whites to become #1 without suffering. Theyre covering it up in order to keep other countries from forcing their involvement.

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You realize even early studies of this virus used CT scan to verify?

They looked for whats called ground glass opacity. Dont open your mouths on subjects you dont understand. It is easily verifiable thru ct scan to a trained eye.

This virus is not the only one capable of causing that though, so do not assume coronavirus based on presence of ground glass opacity. Recommend to ensure fever present, fluid in lungs beginning and low lymphocyte count to have more insight.

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Age and health doesnt prevent you from having cadaveric spasms due to a cytokine storm from the virus laying low and then overloading your immune system.

The cadaveric spasm is why they ALL look stiff when dead and stay standing, or slumped.

Like I said. Keep your mouth shut if you dont have knowledge please.


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Multiple organ failure is present with 2019 ncov due to 1 of 2 reasonings.

Lack of oxygen present in system due to lung damage (again, look at ground glass opacity in lungs..)

Or, cytokine storms which is caused by your immune system being overpowered pretty well. Reference to provided examinations of patients exhibiting extreme low lymphoxyte counts.

If you have only fear and delusion to contribute, please be quiet and just read.


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-As of present, my studying on 19 ncov shows no choice of race. This needs to be dropped.

Yes it utilizes ace2. As an entry. Once it is engaged and succesfully infiltrated, it will do as it wishes. Ace2 does NOT correlate to the viruses severity per subject.

At this time, there isnt enough concrete info for this to be 100% certain, but I will state that it is a VIRUS. Extremely unstable, please do not expect something as volatile as a virus to be predictable down to race.

Clearly none of you are educated in this field.

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Of course the ones who dropped won't be counted LOL. How would they be, sure, he may be infected with 2019 NCOV. But unless he is watched before death, there is no way to say 100% it caused his death. Stress to system from illness and fighting it, among many other SECONDARY reasons for death. They are technically right in the scientific field of not counting UNCONFIRMES CASES AS DEATHS DUE TO NCOV. Stop being niave

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Yes because technically in my field unless you are in my care and I can verify this virus caused your death, then I cannot attribute you to a death count.

This virus doesnt leave a signature death like Ebola for instance. Dont discredit my field because you dont understand reasoning fully yet. Ask questions first.

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Also please dont think we in the US are not taking this serious.

We are under directive to halt all work except on 2019 NCOV. Atleast here where I work, hence my open admission of VPN use and lack of registration.

You need to understand the stance of a president. If he pays serious attention to this PUBLICLY, you may not panic, but what of the other 330m americans?

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We are trying to avoid a COG situation. Im sure it has been spoken of, but that is not my department.

So far the main concern of administration is to meddle out effective treatment as containment with this specific virus is extremely hard. It is unstable and mutates easily. A vaccine is being spoken of but theoretically is impossible unless it mutates to a stable strain that doesnt mutate as often. The WHO will not tell you that because it will also cause panic.

NOBODY is covering up except China. Merely attempting to get ahead. I work in a small lab, where we have been provided with samples of the virus to attempt to decipher it in a way that allows us to use existing treatment, where my colleagues on the east coast have been asked to attempt to find means of possible new forms of treatment. Again, containment is not being looked at.

The flu cannot be stopped and exhibits a lower r0, this virus doesnt have enough available spread information for a concrete r0 but has shown anywhere from 2.2 to 4+.

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As far as Im concerned, along with my colleagues beaide me, this was a vaccination program for China. It shows without doubt to be toyed with, but we know China has been working on a universal coronavirus vaccine to prevent illness from past and future coronavirus strains. It is not my place to say what or how this got out. But it has been toyed with

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Dont argue amongst yourselves over my words. I did not say to any that you must bow??

Infact I encouraged many times to form your own opinion on available fact, that I am only providing clarity and that I cannot provide information our labs have due to risk of myself, to ask me is selfish.

Clearly I have struck a nerve in a few, unintentional.

I only intended to clarify what is possible in the realm of virii and dispel time wasting ideas such as an ethnic bioweapon e.g.

Man will always fear and shun the unknown unfortunately and I wish you guys luck but I will no longer be posting

I will watch though for updates as we do not receive them here. I will continue my work regardless as it is my life passion. If you will take anything from my words, keep a level head and think rationally.

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Ok I have finished my drive

Responding to the question of psyche effect from 2019 NCOV. Our current data doesnt suggest the virus itself will have any effect on mental stability, but let me be clear. This virus has shown us multiple times in lab and real world, that it mutates often. As well as the brain is a work of art that nobody fully understands. That is a coin toss in my opinion.

Second, responding to bugout etc. Bugging out is not my forte as I dont get that option. I will be one of the many in my field that has had that ability taken, my job is to prevent it getting to that point. But keep in mind, this virus has severe effects on the lungs as data is showing in ALL critical cases. Will you be one of the lucky to not require ventilator assistance or worse, ECOM? You will find none of that in your bugout kit. Weigh that decision on your own, no one in my field will provide you with help on this subject as we dont get that liberty.

This is a consistently evolving situation, and unless government intelligence agencies are willing to provide labs with data from patients in China that have died from this virus directly, not secondarily, we cant go off speculating. That is not how my industry runs and that is why the WHO will not speak unconfirmed facts.

Yes, I have been a member here a very long time in the form of an AC. I love a good theory (conspiracy or not) but dont discredit the WHO fully, but instead take their words with a grain of salt and think of their stance.

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As I stated before. If they reveal everything all at once, mass panic due to speculation and rumors will make ALL efforts of treatment and prevention absolutely meaningless.

Due to the simple fact that there is a vast amount of people that will just lose their minds and riot.


How would the work I am doing be of any good if the population is busy robbing, raping and screaming? Please dont be niave. If it was a cover up, I would not be working on this current strain of coronavirus nor looking for treatments. They would ignore it entirely.

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We do not assume in my industry. That does not bring a repeatable result.

The administration may assume until they are advised differently. Keep in mind, your faces on tv are not heavily educated in every topic that arises in running a country.

The makeup of this strain exhibits manipulation from outside natures natural routes. Does that mean it was weaponized? Not exactly so.

China is involved in the same programs all other countries capable of doing so are involved in. Universal vaccines, you receive one, you prevent all. Does that mean this strain is part of it? No, but it is a high possibility due to the fact coronaviruses is what is most common for their population.

Here in North America, we are involved in uni vac program for influenzas.

There is much info out there to parse through to get a more educated outlook on this, do not run only off what you read. Educate yourself on ALL possibilities.

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Not for certain no, r0 is merely a measure of infection. Meaning if it mutates into a strain easier to transmit, then it will therefore raise the r0. No virus can have two r0s. That is like having 1+1=1 and 2. It just doesnt happen.

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Race specific viruses are extraordinarily difficult to culture. Dna is so diverse now, it would be hard to target a specific face. Impossible? No

But you also must account for the consistency of said virus. Manipulating a virus outside its natural routes reduces stability, resulting in unreliable results in the real world. You may end up having the barrel pointed at you instead of your target. The ideal virus to be weaponized is a reliable, quiet virus with a subtle death so as not to bring attention. You wouldnt venture past the first discussion of weaponizing a virus, without ensuring vaccination availability first. Viruses are notorious for their ability to mutate, more so as your r0 gets higher.

To answer the "when to isolate" question is not easy and I would not hazard giving incorrect info to the very thread Im attempting to educate.

I have provided information over the last 10 or so pages that although I have no way to prove due to what I had to do to be part of this program, that should be helpful to all of you and educational.

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Isolation is hard to equate due to human nature. You are in fear of this virus as much as the next. But its an invisible enemy.

Your literal best practices are hygiene, avoiding ANY you feel may be sick and your diet. At this moment, no treatment has been all that effective in our lab testing. All treatment in hospital will be SUPPORTIVE, not COMBATIVE.

Isolation is a great idea, but when to do so? Who knows, incubation has been shown from 1 day to 6 wks, evident in the 2nd BC case in Canada. Keep yourself healthy and if you smoke, I would advise you stop for the time being. Take up gum.

If you need reasoning, educate yourself on available case studies by my colleagues at Lancet, showing ground glass opacity and other lung damage early in virus onset. The main target of this virus is lower respiratory tract. Dont aid its job with tobacco. Pick up a vape if you MUST have abate your addiction.

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That is yet to be seen in our tests here, if you are implying reinfection due to mutation. It does mutate faster then viruses we have seen emerge from the coronavirus family. But, like all viruses, mutations go both ways. It could become better or worse at its job.

But I dont speculate much due to how long I have been in this field. It is in the realm of possibilities that you can be reinfected, but the main ability of this virus is the fact it is NOVEL. No immune system has seen this, so it enters un-noticed and unabated. Would secondary reinfection be as risky as the first run? That is unseen yet and unfortunately as dark as this is, we need it to happen in order for clearer data as we have next to NOTHING from China.

Excuse them, the human mind is predisposed to find any reason for it to survive. That is its whole purpose. It will rationalize anything and everything in order to comfort itself.

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Answering incubation/symptoms etc.

Incubation is very vague with this novel virus. It seems to be earliest of 1 day to 6 wks so far. We have no real hard data from China to base an incubation on. They are terrified and unorganized there now, next to no labs online and sharing info.

Symptoms are what you have been warned to watch for, they will be subtle and minor based on what we have seen. But you will notice a shortness of breath VERY fast, that is not common. You WILL know if you have this. In critial cases it commonly causes what is called "ground glass opacity", as I stated before. Research it and you will have a clearer picture.


But symptoms to time of death is another vague area due to how your body works. The moment this virus begins causing damage/symptoms, your immune system will begin acting. Some will experience severe issues due to over reaction (commonly called a cytokine storm), some systems will do their job and slow this and in the unlucky few, it will notice nothing, allowing this to rupture majority of alveoli, hence why ecom (oxygen through dialysis to make it easy to grasp) is required in the life threatening cases.


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Ok I understand the hatred. But explain to me this.


They reveal that there is no containment intended, this is a novel virus and NO one has immunity. It has a chance to end your life, and it is highly infectious, so more will die due to medical service overloading.

Now youre all rioting, and my lab finds effective treatment or a way to prevent it harming you to the point of death.

How do you stop the rioting and organize and now hostile population? You dont. You call in FEMA under national security protocols who will be authorized to use lethal force to tame the situation.


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No, do not go into panic mode.

That is a one off case which may be explainable by infection thru fomites.

This is why information is not poured out on national tv broadcasts. Riots wouldve began there.

Most common by available data is 15 days and under from infection.

But as stated, Chinese labs are not providing sufficient data on this outbreak nor is their government. So a true incubation is hard to discern and many things impact incubation. How healthy you are, your diet, sleep, many many variables.


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Two r0s in one virus would be unheard of, and unseen in our lab tests as well. It would have to be two seperate viruses, one of two would obviously have to be invisible thru all testing procedures. Which unless someone is roughly 50 years ahead of military labs, is not going to be a reality.

Relax.

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As I said before. The stark reality of viruses, requires spread before true knowledge can be gained. Containment is not the goal at this time, as we dont believe it is possible without extreme blowbacks from stoppage of EVERYTHING.

We require spread to happen before prevention can happen. Inbetween spread and prevention is what my lab has been tasked with. So far, no effective methods have been found, minor effectiveness is shown with antivirals, but only in late stages of infection where it is of no use. We need to advance knowledge in detection in order for treatment to be effective as well. Just know the government is serious about this, the directives we are under are not used during influenza or even the bird flu scare in the past.


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It would be unstable if made to do so and too risky to the party who designed it. Your target would have to ALL be the same blood type for it to be of use.

Maybe in a solo target situation? Sure

Mass target? Wrong route of doing so.

Mass target weapons do not have race, blood type or anything like this in design. They are designed with their vaccine side by side and only deployed to bsl4's and the field when sufficient amount of vaccination is prepared.

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I will be back. Errands to run. I will speak more on return

I recommend any who missed my info to scour previous pages and read.

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No not only military can make a virus. But I assure you, the technology to make a virus capable of hiding an entire secondary virus inside with different characteristics is not only unavailable to the public, but completely beyond your budget and education level to utilize considering it involves things I do not even understand after 19 years in this field and continous schooling.

In my field of work, "God" or nature, does not hide things. It works in absolutes. Man works in the way of hiding things.

-001

Not for certain no, r0 is merely a measure of infection. Meaning if it mutates into a strain easier to transmit, then it will therefore raise the r0. No virus can have two r0s. That is like having 1+1=1 and 2. It just doesnt happen.

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There is a very valid reason that cases confirmed went up so little, but suspected made its biggest jump in days.

They are simply attempting to keep WHO and CDC from pushing so hard to get in.

Dont be so quick to believe CCP numbers when I still cannot get any data from a single lab in China after multiple requests for cases studies I know for a fact are being performed.

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ACE2 only correlates with the viruses entry in 100% of my tests in lab. Has no direct effect on what it does to your system after entry.

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Like I stated in pages 2170-2190, this virus has similar makeup to a strain that appeared in Saudi in Sept. Not 100% match in any tests, but heavy similarities.

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The Presidency comes with many things, one of which being full control if needed. Only requires a single signature by his pen.

Same signature that signed the directives our labs are following here in the US.

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I posted many times from 2170-2190 pages. Refer there, I shared much info here with everyone. I explained many things ranging from viral manipulation causing instability, the "asian only" idea and many others.

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I believe your absolutely correct. The liberal mind will be the death of us. States will have to act accordingly.

If you had influenza and ncov, you would know, trust me. You would more then likely be critical, possibly suffering from sepsis and be delusional.

Do not mislead the people with unfounded information please. Fuel to a raging fire is not needed.

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As I have said previously, containment is NOT the goal at this time. The r0 is higher then influenza, which as you know itself is uncontainable.

Treatment and prevention is the goal. Vaccination is long way out due to the virus' instability/mutation rate.

Corona aids? It is all one virus at this time, the virus will not give you AIDS. It does contain proteins from HIV responsible for decimating your immune system which is why sepsis is an issue present with 19NCOV.

Another thing for you to eye from now on, is cadaveric spasms at death. Which is why alot of the deceased from this virus are stiff immediately. That is a direct effect of the viruses extreme effects on some patients systems.

Data needs to be acquired that ONLY real world spread can provide labs. Unless China becomes non-communist overnight, that data will not be provided from them.

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Its a possibility influenza may hinder ncov. But due to the proteins present from HIV, it will decimate vulnerable immune systems, quickly allowing one of the two to cause sepsis, among other severe outcomes.

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Above is ccp party correlating with what I stated, that cytokine storms (immune sytem overload), are very common in ALL crit cases.


I do not speculate due to 19 yrs in a field of work that requires you to deal in certainties.

If I was to venture outside my mindset and guess, I would be conservative and say as of today, basing infection at an r0 of 2 (to be conservative) and Dec 1st as the first case. I would say in the range of 400 000 infected conservatively and capable of doubling every 3 days.

As I said, I do not speculate, that is napkin math that me and my colleagues in our lab have bounced around. Containment is not the goal of our government. Would be a catastrophic waste of resources, we have 0 effective treatment, only supportive care at this time. We need real world spread and symptomatic data.

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I explained earlier r0 is NOT a static number. It is easily manipulated by many variables.

It is a measurement of infection to other viable hosts. In a situation like a cruise ship, r0 values can easily be skewed as it is a floating culture for virii.

Hence the presence of trained medical teams on ALL cruise ships.

Do not let cruise ships skew data. It will provide accurate info on all things except r0.

Due to the fact we cannot be certain if 1 person started the spread, or 10, or 20.

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It was one of the first treatments tested. Minimal effect to the virus. It continued unabated in its growth.

It handles natural viruses well. This virus exhibits outside manipulation.

-001

Without a doubt there is asymptomatic and mild cases present here in the US.

The likely hood of contracting influenza at the same time is dependant on if its currently an issue near you.

It would cause serious issues in my opinion to be infected with both.

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As I have said and even biorxiv states.

Ace2 is entry.

Does not directly correlate to the virus severity or any other characteristics.

Also, we dont have enough spread data to verify this is the only entry point. If you reference the fact that SARS used the SAME ACE2 cells aa entry, but infected far less and much slower, you would see this theory as incorrect/skewed.

Stop with this asian only, it is merely a myth that you have attempted to rationalize without the education required to understand the meaning of what these reports state.

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In my opinion it is part of Universal Vac program for endemic virii that are common to their area. Hence coronavirus.

Here in the US, we are engaged in the same programs, but for all influenza.

It exhibits proteins that have below a 0.1% chance of naturally occuring indicating that it was manipulated at some point.

To the angle of asian only, I have said it is possible. But you need to understand DNA is so diverse now worldwide, that being able to target a "race" is next to impossible. It would also be an extremely unreliable strain, meaning fast mutation rates, possibly voiding your targetted race. You just wouldnt use this route with a weaponized virus.

This is 101 in this field of work, speculative rumours and rationalization can make it easy to believe a ethnic bioweapon is easy, but it is one of the most difficult things to accomplish. There is no "pure" dna left.

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As stated, containment is not the goal of the administration. It is a vast waste of time and resources.

The goal is treatment and prevention. Hence why my lab and our sister lab are exploring current, experimental and possible new treatments.

Look at what it has cost China to NOT contain this.

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Kill rate and recovery is info my lab was not vetted on so I will not speculate. We dont do live testing here as of yet.

It is deadly if ignored or immuno compromised.
If healthy, it is still not to be taken lightly.

N100 in close proximity, outside 6-8ft, n95 is enough. Sanitize often and keep your hands off your damn face. Average human touches their face THOUSANDS of times a day.

Tyvek only if youre going to be contacting sweat/blood to be safe.

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As stated, no real data has come out of China or any Chinese labs.

Recovery is all speculative.

Based on what data is at hand, I see no reason to believe no one will recover. Will this damage you permanently? There is a possibility to retain lung damage for sure, your alveoli are delicate and scarring doesnt heal well in lung tissue.


Oncs treatment is found rather then using supportive methods, recovery will be a simple measure of availability of treatment.

At this time, in my opinion, will be a patient to patient situation.

Aa I have said before, the administration cannot reveal the full scope at play here. 330 million citizens, if 100 million riot due to fear, its game over. Finding treatment will not matter.

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Expect no country that wants to be considered among the most powerful to provide accurate reporting at this time.

China was #1 and has fallen down. Now its a fumble play you are watching, who can hold the facade long enough.


It shows a habit of hiding from testing, and testing requires an accurate test vs strain. Due to its instability, I see no reason to believe it cannot mutate outside of what the tests are seeking.

Tests do not look for the whole sequences, but mere pieces. If say the piece the test looks for is mutated in a transmission, in theory, the new strain would now be invisible.

Exercise caution and give our government time to get their heads on this. They are not ignoring it like it looks.

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A vaccination will take a long time here. I doubt this will result in that type of international law.

To vaccinate requires stability in the strain which is not yet present.

You would have to perform tasks like how influenza is handled. Infect pigs with ncov, allow mutation, vaccinate against that strain, and hope when it arrises again that you picked the right strain cause once it starts again, it will just begin mutating just as fast.

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The "middle" is the part that exhibits manipulation outside natures way of doing things. Thats what leads our labs to believe it was part of national uni vaccine program against all coronavirus'.

Whether he is genuine with other knowledge, I do not know, half of what he said was easily gathered by reading through lancet reports and recombinomic groups and then rewording. Not discrediting him in anyway.


The CDC is allowing time for labs to get ahead. They are aware it is here, containment is NOT the goal. We want to get straight to treatment and prevention.

Containment means you all go in a fema camp and wait. Economy dies, people die, government is demonized forever.

They allowna few to die due to delayed testing, possibility of spread, but we find treatment? You hate the government for 3 months til some other topic arrises.

They are merely buying me and all my colleagues nationwide time to get ahead of the curve.
Once the cats out, its out. You cant take it back

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That is impossible considering it doesnt match any previous coronavirus in our nations database.. Its closest relative is a strain from Saudi, Sept 2019 our system says. Less then 73% matchup.

Exhibits outside manipulation.

Explain why your government would spend billions on the medical programs that keep my lab the is meant for TREATMENTS and prevention only, running?

Dont spread fear, its the last thing you want at this time.

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I wish I could verify my findings but like I said earlier. I signed 3 seperate ndas to be involved in this program. The only reason this info is here, is because I have been here as an AC for a very long time.

At this time, diet, hygiene, awareness and clear thoughts instead of panic are your best bets, yes.

We have not had substantial success with any treatment. We have only confirmed effective supportive methods of assisting patient stability.

-001

No time line on treatment at this moment. They are not applying pressure as it usually results in low quality or fabricated results. You can only move science so fast.

That is a broad question. Has many variables, when was last contact with infected, is it present in system now, surfaces? Many things come into play. Only perform isolation when you are truly worried and I recommend in the range of 20-24 days.


Isolation leads to demoralization and depression which have severe implications on your realtime ability to fight infections. Your mindset plays an important part in all infections. Admitting defeat before it is reality is just as dangerous as the virus.

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Vaccination? No estimation due to not even considering it. Virus hasnt shown the stability required to do so. Can vaccinate next month if you want, but in theory, a mutated strain will infect you the moment you are exposed to it.

Treatment, it could be found any moment. Our labs are running tests 12 hrs a day and simulations at x100 realtime, 24-7. Everything is on the table here.

If we found treatment, I wouldnt have a clue as to length of time required for millions of doses. Depends on complexity of treatment I suppose.

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A consistent 1 month indoors with no outside contamination and if no new infection is occuring outside will suffice. 45 days to be dead certain.

Before things fail depends on you as the citizens and the administration. I hope to have all the time required, but the administration is playing coy due to the fear of riots when the admission comes that this is in fact highly infectious and poses a risk.

Its not the virus itself that is of severe concern, as even influenza can cause sudden deaths due to secondary reasons. Heart attack due to systemic stress and many others.

It is its infectious ability and the fear of it now that CCP has done an excellent job propagating to the West.

EVERYONE will rush the hospital out of fear, and those that do need care will not be noticed and will die.

Again, speculation is not what we do here but this is a unique time and unique virus at hand.

I say we have a mere month to find efficient means of treatment before things get risky due to the current strategy we are taking. (Playing coy to reduce public awareness to provide time)

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I told them this near 50 pages ago. It is not really possible to create an ethnic bioweapon in this age.

There is no "pure" dna in the the world to target.

They reference ace2, which was SARS sole entry route as well. It is evident that ACE2 is not the only route of entry due to rate of infection. It has surpassed sars in 1/10th of the time.

It should be painfully evident what is at hand but not everyone has the required education to understand what a virus truly is.


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Cytokine storm and fluid in lungs are both something that you will have no control over as they are direct effects of infection.

At this moment we are utilizing supportive methods for care. We have 0 methods to combat it at this time, nothing has been sent thru the channels we are using to communicate.

China hasnt reported any data on anything. They claimed to have success with remdesivir but we cannot replicate it in any way. Reasonable doubt they have any treatment either.

Your best bet is to keep a level head, stay in good spirits and well fed. If you experience fever, do your best to mediate the fever to allow your immune system to have relief as it will need it. The virus does target your lymphocytes and makes your level drop, contrary to what all other viruses except HIV do.


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No, the fever seems to be pre severe symptoms and carries on into the start of serious conditions. It is best to weaken it as fast as possible to allow your immune system to be even a little more prepared for what will follow the metaphorical "battering ram" of this virus.

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Im not attempting to keep any of you calm. Dont tarnish the info I have provided.

Explain to me with what data, are our labs supposed to perform work? From a culture dish? Or with the skewed ccp data only relayed through social media.

You seem to think that these things are just simply accomplished and dealt with overnight?

With an estimated r0 of less then 2.0 for INFLUENZA and we cant contain that even with a vaccine. And this is roughly 2.2 to 4+, explain containment that doesnt end in mass fema camp quarantine conditions under National security directives.


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First, Im not allowed free time? I spent 12 hrs and 33 minutes in lab today.

Verified over 73 treatment assessments personally and sifted through 303 hrs of simulated treatment runs thru AI.

As I told you, vaccines are for viruses that are stable. This is not stable, you cannot vaccinate against something that is as prone to mutation as this. It will literally be a placebo.

-001

That is for a strain of influenza which 19ncov bears no resemblance to in any manner.. take what you wish but atleast be aware.

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This was my fear in speaking up. I have been a member here in the for of an AC that I knew to expect this anyway.

People believe I am here to pacify you with information regarding the virus and how little knowledge we truly have.

Im telling you how little info we have and that we have no treatment, vaccination is not possible at this time and China is providing no real data.

Yet I am here to calm you by telling you that.

Lack of understanding always leads to fear and mistrust in man.

Ill be sticking around regardless but I will no longer be posting information or findings. It was a mistake to come here and risk my back for the people here that have grade 9 education. I have explained virology, microbiology, and lack of treatment in the case of 2019ncov and even clarified how it is next to impossible to create an ethnic bioweapon.

I did not claim to have all the answers. When you all bug out and I am still in the lab trying to save your family from this, keep this in mind you niave fools.

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Like I said. If you had education in this field, you would graso that r0 is a dynamic and situational number. Able to be change by environment quite easily.

You cough in a negative pressure room with a virus of r0 100, no one will get infected.

Cough in a room dense with people drinking and talking with a virus at r0 2.2-4? You will infect many.

Thanks for being a part of it all.

-001

I am cranky. This is 2.5 days awake so far. It took me 4 days to work up the backbone to even speak here.

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I will update as time goes on. We are just starting here in our lab for today.

Still no data reported from Chinese cases studies, deaths, infection, recovery, nothing.

Still running simulations, nothing of note has been found treatment wise which is my labs only directive still. To test current, past and experimental treatment availabilities. Our east coast sister lab is testing possible new variations of treatments that would be pushed through if found to be effective.

We have a tele-conference at 2pm eastern standard time. Depending what it regards I will provide info

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LARP?

Excuse my ignornace, I'm older then you would expect.

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Revealing exact informations that only our national labs have access too at this time will be extremely detrimental to efforts considering it would result in the immediate termination and denial of this very program.

I have only provided clarity so as to ensure tbe situation is understood and not made a blur by political tv.

And to be frank, we have very little to share beyond what information I have confirmed here at this time.


-001

As I said. This is not weaponized. Its unstable and would be an unreliable weapon. But it exhibits human manipulation.

Mutation rate + manipulation = many strains possible.

Excellent material for universal vaccine programs like we have ongoing here.

-001

First off, if you cant contain a less infectious influenza. How will you contain this?

As I said, it would be under NSD's resulting in FEMA camps, ignoring your rights and quite possivly quarantining whole suspected cities. Containment is a word used by administration and uneducated.

And again, why would the administration tell the general public that China is cooperating when thay results no other way then panic and speculation? It is far easier tk make progress at this point keeping the wheels rolling per se?

Dr Mengele? You are a niave child who clearly lacks education in this field and are speculating.
With no real data, how do you prevent, treat or cure a virus? You dont.

-001

If that is your opinion then so be it.

It does not matter to me whether you believe it or not, as time passes, you will begin to see these words come to fruition unfortunately.

If you are so well versed and have decided based on evidential facts that what I said is incorrect, please provide with what education, reports and what precisely is incorrect. Perhaps you have knowledge that no one else does?

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I use VPN. Hence the -001 signature and sentence structuring

-001

I did not expect this to grow as such.

I hope some of you watched the CDC briefing as thats as close to verification of what I said before it aired withiut risking myself.

Regarding treatments, my colleagues and I are looking at fda approved antivirals, experimental antivirals and past effective treatments on prominent viral outbreaks. If it hasnt been tested or proven, unfortunately we are not looking at it at this time in this specific facility.

Working with the government requires you to follow their rules unfortunately, and to admit a non-approved therapy has effects, is not in their interest.

Speaking on fever. Yes, typically a fever is actually beneficial and should be allowed as it instigates your immune system.

But with 19ncov, it may be aiding in causing a cytokine storm, this is unproven without live data, but is a theory we are bouncing around between colleagues.

Again, this is 100% unproven without further testing, just a hypothesis from a fellow here.

-001

Yes, anyone can be -001 using a vpn.

This is why I took this route. It is just peace of mind for myself

-001

Sorry I crashed finally and just awoke. Longest I slept since monday. Disregard these past posts by the other posters there. I dont post links or speculate much on anything. Use sentence structuring to decipher which is truthfully me as it should be blatantly easy to do so I hope

It seems much has deteroriated in the last 24hrs regarding the ability to make this virus seem like a flu.

As time continues to pass, more of what I said will hold true and I advise you to read and gather what info you can.

It seems perhaps CCP is having issues keeping a hand on this as we have the very first update from a Chinese lab, and it is not data. More of a warning.

-001

Ignore -002 as you cannot put a numerical chance on contracting a virus as it is dynamic. Not static. There is many variables.

This discredits anything this poster will say easily. This is not a slot machine. It is an organism with the sole desire to replicate and find all viable hosts, and it is excellent at its job.

It does not care for your hopes, false chance %'s, or what safety bubble you fabricate.

With a 1 day to 6 week incubation in real world, in a tabletop scenario we played out, basing incubation at 3-6wks minimum instead every person, by Feb 12th, the sheet was removed and economic collapse began, end of February, 75%+ infected.

Does that hold true to real world? Not so far. That is an example of fabricated numbers only.

-001

Good morning

Yes sleep so far is the best bet. We havent had much success here yet.

No updates from my colleagues either as of 7.37 est.

The poster that spoke of j5 and coop plans is speaking the truth. Whether he wrote or not, I do not know.

But what he says in the post outlaying how these things work, is exact.

As I said, if we are unsuccessful or the administration feels the situation slipping, FEMA becomes #1, and things will change drastically for citizens.

It is NOT what as as citizens want as it is a survival plan for administration, not for every citizen.

-001

I dont mean to cause fear.

Containment is not the goal and it has never been. The influenza is uncontainable, and this spreads just as easy if not easier.

We are attempting to find treatment methods instead of supportive methods.

It is in the US already.

If you have a child that is sick or you feel may be sick, put a mask on them, n95/n100 or an approved surgical mask, dont mask the healthy students.

You will be more successful in covering the sick as their number is less then the healthy at this time.

-001

14 days incubation?

If so, there is no discovery yet. It has been a broad number throughout the cases we have data on. 1 day to 6 weeks.

My lab isnt looking into incubation, only treatment, so if a breakthrough has been made on incubation, we would not know yet.

But if they figure out incubation, they will also figure out early discovery. Which is critical.

-001

Do you believe the shit you are saying? Believing a COMMUNIST government, which used any method possible to control its own information in country, would tell your niave ass the truth? Lol, you are the definition of a bubbled mind. Your government would tell you to drink bleach to lose weight and youd preach it.. You also realize that in '05, they held many speech promoting using biological means to open up new territories for the chinese population to expand due to congestion correct? They rely on lackluster intelligence like yours for these methods to be effective. I wish you luck in your fantasy. The US has not called quarantine like this in 50++ yrs and theyre even saying its under control
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First, they never posted thay lol. No ccp media reporting this, nobody said this. 2nd, you gave your stupidity away again. You realize what "fabricating" 174b in fake market value would do LOL. It would be unprecedented and probably actually tank the market faster... the market is solely driven on demand and can only be propped for so long. No growth or real asset value = no market value you fool. Injecting money into a dirt pit? Guess what it becomes. A dirt pit retard

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Also no one seems to be paying Brazil due notice.

First off, its winter in China. Brazil is warm, people WILL have gone there since Dec 1st.

2nd, they have 10+ unconfirmed cases due to some of the shittiest health care systems.

3rd, look up Brazil Carnival 2020. South American cultures are very tight and close, dancing et. Just a close proximity lifestyle, with worse conditions then China. Just watch.

By the way, the UK AC shill is using a VPN. He is not from UK. If you doubt it, look into previously used tactics by CCP and their Ministry of State Security during the last decade with the many viruses theyve experienced. For the unaware.

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Feeding the bioweapon scenario. How come we have nothing about young people or children dying?

In order to effectively break a country without invasion, the easiest route is not to target soldiers. But the sons, daughters and wives of the soldiers and politicians. Targetting their military is a waste in terms of which population is most likely to overload medical services.

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I attempted to warn you all. Good luck.

-001

If what happens over the next 48 hrs is a surprise, then no one understood.

CDC briefing with Azar yesterday confirmed 99% of what I said to you all. If I said it before the briefing, how would I have this knowledge.

This is just starting. Fear will take over soon for many leading to irrational processes and misunderstanding.

Atleast I did my part.

-001

I still have time as no major wheels are rolling yet.

Do you have time?

Containment is not the goal, once FEMA is in play, mass containment is the ONLY goal.

Revbo has a thread posted containing everything I can share at this time as it is pretty well all the knowledge I have at this time.

-001.

N100 or p3 respirator and face shield/goggles within 8ft

Outside 8ft n95 is sufficient.

Avoid bodily fluids of those infected.

Do not share dishes, cutlery or drinks.

Get paper cups/plates, plastic cutlery.

Do not share toilet paper with those you fear are sick, avoid public bathrooms.

Wear gloves at fuel pump and using atm/debit machine. Do not use cash at this time.

Please if you smoke, kick your habit now.

Good luck all, do not take this situation lightly as it is your life, not just the Chinese.

-001

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Do not fly unless they allow you onboard in a full tyvek, respirator at p3 levels, goggles and gloves. Cruise ships, planes, taxis, airports and any public transport are going to be major vectors and already are.

Misdiagnosis is happening at this very moment due to the fact that medical staff is slammed by the monster they know, Influenza. Coronavirus is secondary in thoughts at this time.

I will not speculate on deaths. This virus attacks lower respiratory tract, digestive tract will suffer some, possibly diarrhea and cramping, shortness of breath. Fever will spike once symptoms start.

First Chinese case was area of Dec 1st/2nd. When did it come to US? Within December I believe personally. The first cases were only called "viral pneumonia" and infact, 80% of deaths from this virus in China are being attributed to "viral pneumonia".

There is a reason that on Jan 1st the Wuhan CCP party mandated mandatory disinfection of Huanan Wetmarket requiring full closure for the day.

-001

Do not fly unless they allow you onboard in a full tyvek, respirator at p3 levels, goggles and gloves. Cruise ships, planes, taxis, airports and any public transport are going to be major vectors and already are.

Misdiagnosis is happening at this very moment due to the fact that medical staff is slammed by the monster they know, Influenza. Coronavirus is secondary in thoughts at this time.

I will not speculate on deaths. This virus attacks lower respiratory tract, digestive tract will suffer some, possibly diarrhea and cramping, shortness of breath. Fever will spike once symptoms start.

First Chinese case was area of Dec 1st/2nd. When did it come to US? Within December I believe personally. The first cases were only called "viral pneumonia" and infact, 80% of deaths from this virus in China are being attributed to "viral pneumonia".

There is a reason that on Jan 1st the Wuhan CCP party mandated mandatory disinfection of Huanan Wetmarket requiring full closure for the day.

-001

As I said on the main thread.

DO NOT TOUCH FACE, average person does so thousands of times a day.

Within 8ft of infected/suspected, n100/half mask respirator at p3 levels, no lower. Goggles/Shield

Outside 8ft, n95 is sufficient and I recommend vacating area immediately.

Always sanitize, everytime you remember.

Do not share dishes, cutlery, cups, anything
Purchase single use everything regarding food and drink.

If someone in your household is infected. Put a mask on them, not you. N95 minimum, n100 suggested, p3 respirator best.

Do not fly, cruise, bus, cab or any mass transit unless you are protected.

Heat kills all things, before entry to your house, do not near anyone, remove clothing except your mask and goggles. Gloves go with clothing into a bag, into your drier at highest heat level. Sanitize anything you touched up to this point including yourself.

Smoking is dangerous, as you will be pressed to remove mask, gloves etc, touch your face, other surfaves you may have not decontaminated etc. Along with obvious health reasons too.

-001

I cannot specify many details regarding chloroquine, but it is of interest.

We have seen results involving chloroquine but nothing of major stature at this time. It was based on post entry of virus.

We are not looking at pre entry yet, it is next.

We are basing our work off infected, hence looking for treatment. So all sims/tests/data will be reflected in a post-entry form. I believe all labs are following this directive as, but I do not know for certain.

-001

The point of what? I am missing what you are referencing.

I cannot be fully honest, I do not have that liberty and anyone involved in situations like this is bound the same.

Someone who claims to be fully honest and reveal all, is either a fraud or willing to sacrifice their lives for what may not be the end of all.

I am sorry
-001

I know, it is a steep suggestion, these items.

But it is what is required for safety.

Soon "living" this way, will not be an option, it will be what is being told is mandatory I fear.

-001

Things are not what they seem.

As I said, it is not data, it is a warning.

-001

I cannot say where I am from, I can only apologize if my english is not of quality. It was not one of my first choices but it is the standard here in US.


We do not have vetted data on possible fatality rate. But let me say, even if it is only 10%, that will quickly become 50% if hospitals are overwhelmed due to fear and swarms of infected.

This is why the administration is keeping the shert over it, per se. This allows vital resources to be used for criticals, versus mass panic, resulting in our doctors refusing to work.

-001

We are not testing non-fda approved treatments at this time as they do not have enough data available. We are looking for a stable treatment with minimal documented side effects after continual dosages/adminstration, to person/persons receiving.

So we need hard data that has been verified.
There is other labs under this directive, I am sure, as there is others testing unapproved techniques as well. What they are testing, I cannot say.

-001

Ah. I have no knowledge of how MSM is instructed during these things, so I cannot comment with true knowledge.

I would say they are most likely going to continue this exact path of slowly divulging facts, in order to keep things rolling and calm.

If total panic and chaos begins, the administrations hand will be forced.

As once COOP/COG plans are enacted, the wheels are halted. Economic destruction and the government is demonized for good.

Continuing this path, in my opinion, is the best chance for people in my situation to perform the work needed to prevent it from becoming a COOP/COG scenario.

Government needs the little man, more than we in conspiracy theories like to admit. The man in a suit will not do the work of the laborer, or run a hydro dam, or nuclear reactor. Let alone have the knowledge.

They will buy time until there is 0 time left to buy. Until something is found.

-001

It does not clarify much, it is about the same length as this post here, but it is clear they are scared/coerced/infected.

It is not possible to see what is true in China any longer I fear.

If the military is in control as everyone says, their goals are not economic in nature.

Unike a political party.

As you would assume.

-001


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This is not me if you are asking for answers.

I will not say my race, nationality, schooling or location of schooling.

Stop requesting please, it is selfish as it is a big risk for me.

-001

As I said. Bugging out is not my forte, I have not thought of it or even prepared. Infact, my fridge and pantry is empty at this time.

Will you be one requiring ecmo (as i have been corrected), or other machines due to your symptoms? You wont find that in your kit.

Bugging out would be ok if you knew of somewhere, where no one else will come for up to 45 days, and that you have been healthy for 45 days, starting from today.

This is based on 1 day to 6 week incubation evident by available non chinese infection datasheets.

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I told you. Refer to cdc briefing with sec azar, it affirms much of what I said previous to the airing of this briefing.

Regardless, I did not ask anyone to believe me or verify my info. I stated I was providing clarity tk remove useless theories that are simply NOT possible.

I did not say I have all the answers, or will I ever. No man does and let no man tell you so.

And yes, requesting me to divulge indentifying information after signing 3 seperates ndas to be involved, is quite selfish.

You fear the virus, I get to have fear of what happens to me and possibly my loved ones, during all of this while "betraying" government ndas.

Explain "selfish" to me again please

-001

Half mask is for non infected. I did not say wear half mask on infected.

Reread please.

-001

Like SARS, ncov is vulnerable to heat. But also like sars. It may not be enough to slow it.

And as stated, a virus in lab behaves one way, the same virus real world, does not behave the same and mutation can either work for us or against us.

We have a conference in 39 minutes regarding misinformation and hygiene practices in real world situations.

I will be back later to speak more as I have been relieved of work for today, due to fatigue.

-001

In easy terms.

Ground glass opacity is direct damage to alveoli in lungs.

Small sacs responsible for harvesting oxygen into your blood.

Is a simple way of explaining.
Typically results in permanent scarring afterwards as well.

-001

Sorry Lars, I was busy.

As I stated, the CDC is part of the government, who at this timeis merely performing damage control and attempting to buy time for advances to be made with this virus.

They are neither lying nor telling the full picture.

I cannot put you at ease because your feeling is 80-90% true. Willful ignorance being the incorrect 10%, but technically by rights, the risk is currently low.

The virus is a big risk, but currently, we are able to place criticals in care and treat mild cases.

They are not lying by saying this to be frank, they are just misleading.


And to truly confirm tests is a multi stage process, not a single test confirmation, I would assume "pending" means awaiting secondary or third stage verification.

They must be positive on confirmations at this time as quarantining is by all rights, imprisonment.

Unless new directives are issued, this is illegal without proper reasoning at this moment.

-001

A new drier currently is capable of reaching temps above 170f.

Please do not provide incorrect info my friend.

Everything else is correct, except the fact driers vent to the outside, not inside if installed correctly. If I am not mistaken that is? I am not certified in any hvac or anything related.


-001

I will be back in a while. I am not going anywhere and I will be available until I am no longer capable to do so for any reason.

Clearly there is an interested group willing to learn, and I will provide what I can as that was my sole purpose of opening up here.

Thank you
-001



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Sorry you disagree.

As I stated, I do not possess all answers, no man does and let no man say he does.


I also asked all of you not to base your actions of simply what I say, infact, I said form you own opinion on ALL available info, not only mine. I am not THE shepherd, or THE expert. I am merely attempting to aid as many as possible.

If you feel you are more knowledgable in a situation, speak up, otherwise please be quiet as condescending material does literally nothing.

The drier is the route I will be taking via sealed bags. What you do is up to you, I have no other easily accesible route to achieve temperatures of 170F. If you do, good on you.

I would recommend you pray to your "God", he may provide you with answers no one has.

-001

I am in America right now. I use a VPN.

To answer that, I will do nothing as I dont get to do anything. You have that liberty to flee, I do not. Ask others for that answer.

To answer current infected is near impossible.

First known case was Dec 1st/2nd. From that point on, it has been misinformation from China. You would be best not to possess that info regardless as it doesnt aid you.

You are better to learn all you can about things you may require should power, water or heat cease to be provided. In my honest opinion.

-001

Your concerns dont match with the gravity of the situation.

You think being naked in public is going to be of worry? You will possibly bear witness to the darkest acts of man possible. Yet you are concerned about your electrical bill and the neighbors opinion of you being naked.

Good luck, perhaps your "God" will intervene in your case as you clearly are not grasping the situation unfolding in the real world.

Please dont bless me, as I have seen what "God" is capable of, this is why he only exists in the developed countries.

Where I come from, "God", is not a resort.

I will be your friend when the Lord doesnt answer you in the coming weeks, maybe not now.

-001

There is a few speculative reasons why no children have had issues so far, we are investigating possibilities as to why, and if they can utilized in cases of patients that are older. I cannot go into further detail regarding this. There is reasoning for that, is all I can say.

We have no restrictions on treatments being examined except that they must be fda approved as well as be easily produced without China which is difficult. We have even been looking at non-viral treatments for example. Experimental treatments too, albeit, I would hope a successful treatment not be of an experimental origin.

I solely do not possess answers for all questions regarding this, if I did, we would not be here having this discussion.

-001

Mr dull socks


You are correct in saying you are most infected before showing symptoms and following symptoms are simply your immune system responding.

In data I have seen, this is not reflective of all cases, this is what ncov seems best at to be honest.

Causing a very very large immuno-response. Cytokine storm as many here will have seen. I believe fevers may be aiding this issue as well as it is known that fevers aid your immune response.

It seems that the virus is doing its best to cause your immune system to over-react while at the same time, destroying it.

It is a complex and dynamic situation that we are simply trying to get ahead of as containment is just not a very efficient option.

"Containment" can be done, but it will cost far more lives, money and long term damage then the current route as in my opinion, only mass quarantine is the way to contain, which will turn "camps" into a human petri dish.

-001

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4chan I am not on

If what I am being said is repeated, it is not me.

Can you provide a link for me to verify? Or others please
-001

Yes, no one said AIDS was present.

Proteins that are also found in HIV and a couple other immuno based virii are found.

Do you get AIDS? No, as that is the outcome of HIV, which is not the virus.

Please research.

-001

No reported symptoms or death unless I have missed something?

China has provided not one real report yet for anyone except themselves.

-001

I would agree 100% except wih ncov.

You are correct though. But cases are exhibiting fever for 5-7 days. At a high temp as well.

In hospital care, that is ideal.
In a home situation due to overloaded hospital systems, a fever of 103+, shortness of breath that continues to deteriotate. Meaning many will end uo bedridden, malnourished, and worse off.

Perhaps I am wrong?

-001

We had a very similar conundrum with H1N1 (although seemingly not as severe) my colleagues and i went back and forth on suggested protocol. In the end we settled on viral load being the most important factor determining outcome, therefore we focused on slowing down viral replication and focused on the best ways to reduce viral load.

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If we had viable treatment, I would agree 100% as targetting the viral load will reduce the immune response, in turn allowing the fevers benefits to outweigh its cons to how the patient will behave and nourish themselves.

-001

I have not speculated about that much. There is many rumours of the origin, I have found what suits the data I have at hand.

We will most likely find not be told the true origin, even in the position I am in, to be frank.

Perhaps eventually a generally accepted origin will arise.

If you head back thru this thread, nemesis seems to be compiling my posts for those that have not kept up page by page.

Make sure you thank him for that as that is done without request.

-001

I have never left the basement due to educational debt, so I would say its been excellent to me.

Thanks

-001

Both of you are incorrect.

I never said NATO was involved, that it was weaponized and I explained how difficult an ethnic bioweapon is to even think about, let alone create and use.

At the end of the day, I am still a human. I cannot be made to work 24 hrs a day 7 days a week regardless of situation incase you are wondering.

And the lab I work in, you dont receive service, are checked in and out, as long as wearing equipment preventing cell phone use if you possessed one.

-001

Speculating on data driven answers is what I refused to do.

Continuing conversation beyond data driven answers?

There is many types of questions and the same follows for answers.

Answers is what work is for science.
Hypothesizing and endless possibilites and discussions is the hobby of science after you leave the lab.

I dont have propaganda

And all scientists are atheist, as you cannot quantify "a single, all creating being" in science." And I am sorry if that strikes a nerve.

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If access was available to a oral rehydration solution, mixed properly and appropriate nourishment, with a caregiver protected equipped to prevent infection spread.

Yes. As long as it does not approach extreme temperature and cause permanent damage. (106, 107f+)

-001


The gp120 protein is uneffected by s1pr modulators so far and Tamiflu and its generics are effective for Influenza, not on any coronaviridae.

Any outbreak has the possibility to reach those levels, it is simply one mutation away at all times.

The virus is not the only thing to consider. I myself, am more worried of the aftermath. Man is known to be dark. If the economy collapses and food becomes non-guaranteed, and all other luxuries, what do you expect.

-001

I admitted the basement part.

I wont answer all the trolls, but it is not a sprint to the finish. 8 hours of continued work and you are less than half as productive. 12 hours, yiu are a quarter as productive in mental capacity.

You think nonstop work is the answer to this?

You work with your body or hands, and not your mind, am I wrong?

-001

Yes, 12.5 hrs.

By choice.

Which is one of the reasons I was relieved today. Mental burnout is a documented medical issue, and the more your work relies on your mental accuity, the more prevalent it becomes.

Technically, if the scenario didnt warrant otherwise, I would actually return on Tuesday.

But these informations dont matter as you will surely have another reasoning.

Thanks

-001

Medicating a fever has been monetized by fear, as they should not be medicated until 103.5-104 in all fairness.

The hospitals are most likely using everything possible at this point due to panic. No one can think clearly in that situation really.


MBL is produced by your liver fulltime in minute amounts, but during infections its production is increased. The protein present in ncov is gp120 which is a glycosylated protein, allowing MBL to indentify, bond and perform its job. But it only slows some of the effects as the the virus is not solely gp120 based.

-001

If the information is accurate, then you will obviously find many sources..

You are not expecting a breakthrough to be released here first before anywhere else, are you?

That would be the worst mistake you could possibly make, as you would not even know what to do with that information if I provided it.

-001

I seen this and I was doing some equations for myself, and it is well below a 0.1% chance that someone would have contracted this from Singapore, making r0 static at 2.5, the population, average air traffic, and the biggest red flag, current confirmed count. Even lower then a 0.01% chance for the entire said scenario to have happened at current levels. It indicates a lie, or a much broader, unseen infected count.

It is a very bad sign that Singapore is producing global infections already. It is telling of a much faster transmission contrary to all of our data, fabricated OR real.

-001

Ask any scientist what their faith is, and logically you will be told the same from all of us.

There is no religion in science as it is not explainable.

Unsure if you meant to make comedy?

I am not "dissing" religion. It just simply does not exist in my mind, and you will never explain to me how it does.

-001


During my 12 hr shift?

We dont work shifts here. You come and go as you please. This is a lab requiring concentration and willingness.

Not an assembly line with mandatory attendance for 100% of time.

You can walk out at any moment, enter at any time. It does not open, or close. You can come at 1am, 3am, 5am, noon, 3pm. You choose.

I wont satiate you any longer as you obviously have no insight to this field whatsoever.

-001

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This was evident from a lower white blood cell count + presence of cytokine storms.

-001

Hopefully with a treatment manufacturable 100% by ourselves. Including 100% of said ingredients and factories.

-001

I have nothing regarding that as I have no info regarding that.

It is a possibility and has actually been documented many times, in many journals, where vaccinations have actually caused amplified symptoms during infections of other virus, preventing one but making another possibly fatal.

Technically, this could be one of those scenarios. They did mandate a mandatory vaccine program, as someone posted it for me to see. True or not, who knows.

-001

I took my equipment off once, as it is only required in certain areas. You would not require it everywhere, due to storage protocols in our facility at this time.

If you must continue, my first post was not until being away from the lab for a couple hours.

The referenced video is actually missing steps that are taken during procedure in our labs, but you will have a hard time finding this info due to these labs nature and security clearance.

-001

It also could be an issue arising from vaccination - infection gap.

For a short while after vaccinations, your immune system is responding and performing, as expected. If you receive a true infection during this time, it may exhibit faster replication, amplified symptoms, or it may behave normally.

But again, our first cases recognized, are Dec 1st/2nd. There is reports of earlier, but they are hazy and hard to verify, mostly written off as viral pneumonia and not complete enough to include.

-001

this vaccination hypothesis is an interesting line of thinking and one that should be explored further. You are correct that often times vaccination creates an erratic Pathogenesis. this too could also account for the observation you mentioned with some cases progressing directly to cytokine storm. i remember reading several studies in which the seasonal flu vaccine caused this to happen in certain people resulting in cytokine storm

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I'm not in triage, but if I was in direct contact with mucousal secretions or blood, I'd be P100 all day long with face shields at least.

nCov has shown it is highly contagious.
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001's post's are the most logical of anyone posting on nCov-2019
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he/she is in the field it's pretty obvious not a troll
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Agreed. A larper would come in and give similar credentials and try to convince you it's an ethnically-targeted bioweapon, or that it's a hoax. Larpers don't larp reasonableness. That's boring.
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001's post's are the most logical of anyone posting on nCov-2019
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Agreed. A larper would come in and give similar credentials and try to convince you it's an ethnically-targeted bioweapon, or that it's a hoax. Larpers don't larp reasonableness. That's boring.
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this video reaffirms what he has been saying


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Wow!

Thanks for this 001 and Revbo.

Really grateful for the shared information.
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What are you guys gonna do when he pops back in and says " BOB-A-BOOEY!" abduct

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200,000 American Nationals flying home from China
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001, does this virus have any epstein barr components?
Silencing yourself and living in the dark just means you've left yourself exposed to the type of people who wander the dark looking for victims who won't scream.

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Can't wait for the Union and Insurace interior memos...


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What are you guys gonna do when he pops back in and says " BOB-A-BOOEY!" abduct
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Not sure what that means. You trollin'?

Is Revbo gonna have to bane a bitch?



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What are you guys gonna do when he pops back in and says " BOB-A-BOOEY!" abduct
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Not sure what that means. You trollin'?

Is Revbo gonna have to bane a bitch?


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Now, I was making a funny.

It's an old thing from the Howard Stern Show.
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Hi 001 and thanks for taking time to answer questions. I understand some of these questions may have unknown answers, but am wondering the following:

1. You mentioned in a reply a comment about keeping fever down to rest the immune system in the early stages of illness? Common wisdom about fevers is that they allow the immune system to do it's job better - has any consideration been made for whether the decision to try to lower a fever vs. let it run it's course may influence the risk of complications?

2. Are environmental factors being considered when it comes to the risk of complications? China has significant air pollution at levels higher than many other parts of the world.

3. It is being said from China that antibody protection drops shortly after infection leading to speculation about re-infection being likely. There are multiple parts to the immune system with antibodies only indicating one part of the immune system - are you aware of the same person having been reinfected multiple times, or is this more speculation or potentially fear-mongering coming out of China? Also - are the mutations subtle enough that someone who has had an infection will likely have at least somewhat of an immune response on subsequent re-exposure to a mutated strain and be less likely to have severe illness on subsequent infections?

4. Are only pharmaceutical interventions/treatments/protocols being considered, or is everything on the table?

5. Is potential treatment primarily being aimed at stopping complications post-infection? My current understanding is that mild cases won't really need anything out of the ordinary so far as treatment goes and will be able to recover at home without major difficulty?

6. Any recommendations of what to stock at home from a "basic case" treatment standpoint beyond typical first aid supplies?

I am also trying to parse together with the limited info that has been published so far in medical journals is the typical course of illness - keeping in mind that typical may not reflect any individual experience, and what variables we may be able to control for ourselves in the early stages of illness that may reduce the chance of complications. Diet and sleep are of course important - handwashing. But I am certain there are many other pieces to the puzzle that I am not considering and am really mostly looking for things I have potentially not considered.

Sorry for the long post - I'm also middle of workday and wanted to post while had the chance.
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What are you guys gonna do when he pops back in and says " BOB-A-BOOEY!" abduct
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Not sure what that means. You trollin'?

Is Revbo gonna have to bane a bitch?


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Now, I was making a funny.

It's an old thing from the Howard Stern Show.
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Oh, okay. You good, homie. I didn't want to have to because I like you, but I'm gonna be a ban hammer-wielding fiend on this thread if anybody tries to hijack it. Haven't moderated at this place in almost a year and the ban finger is itchy.
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I think the key thing we need to look for is a radical shift or pivot at -001’s lab. They were pretty clear and open as to what their specific task is. If they get any kind of significant breakthrough, I doubt we’ll get specifics outside of something very vague...it would jeopardize their anonymity. BUT if they get a radically different mission or set of tasks, I would assume things are degrading rapidly and whatever prompted them to speak in the first place would prompt further warning.

My key takeaways from -001 have been this:

- Emergency protocols have been enacted and labs put online or retasked early and proactively

- Containment is futile to the point of not expending resources to even try

- All public-facing focus is to absolutely minimize potential panic and chaos

- Panic and chaos seem to be inevitable at this point, so the more ‘normal’ days that -001’s lab has to work the problem, the better

- -001 is simply a single team member of many, at a single lab of many, working the problem. In a ‘need to know’ environment, their broader knowledge, expertise, or intel will be extremely limited.

- -001 is taking an extreme risk in an extreme situation. One with enough DOD components that the risk of being ‘disappeared’ is VERY real

- Never take anyone at total face value and no one is without some kind of agenda, but take the information flow as part of a whole and use your own critical thinking. To me, -001 is just as credible as any of the ‘official’ sources so far, and FAR more credible than the CCP.
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I think the key thing we need to look for is a radical shift or pivot at -001’s lab. They were pretty clear and open as to what their specific task is. If they get any kind of significant breakthrough, I doubt we’ll get specifics outside of something very vague...it would jeopardize their anonymity. BUT if they get a radically different mission or set of tasks, I would assume things are degrading rapidly and whatever prompted them to speak in the first place would prompt further warning.

My key takeaways from -001 have been this:

- Emergency protocols have been enacted and labs put online or retasked early and proactively

- Containment is futile to the point of not expending resources to even try

- All public-facing focus is to absolutely minimize potential panic and chaos

- Panic and chaos seem to be inevitable at this point, so the more ‘normal’ days that -001’s lab has to work the problem, the better

- -001 is simply a single team member of many, at a single lab of many, working the problem. In a ‘need to know’ environment, their broader knowledge, expertise, or intel will be extremely limited.

- -001 is taking an extreme risk in an extreme situation. One with enough DOD components that the risk of being ‘disappeared’ is VERY real

- Never take anyone at total face value and no one is without some kind of agenda, but take the information flow as part of a whole and use your own critical thinking. To me, -001 is just as credible as any of the ‘official’ sources so far, and FAR more credible than the CCP.
 Quoting: Larphillips


CDC just confirmed a lot of what he is saying

working steadfastly on a treatment regimen that works

including antivirals
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Also...I bought in because they confirmed (or at least agreed with) SEVERAL of my own personal theories and interpretations:

- magic bullet vaccine is a false hope
- this novel virus will most likely be with us for a long time
- there is far more going on in the background than we may ever know
- as teams staff up and the amount of resources plow into this, more people will attempt to reach out...and they should be encouraged
- that officials all understand that when the panic comes, it will be more dangerous and deadly in the short term than the virus and will shift focus away from solving the problem
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I think the key thing we need to look for is a radical shift or pivot at -001’s lab. They were pretty clear and open as to what their specific task is. If they get any kind of significant breakthrough, I doubt we’ll get specifics outside of something very vague...it would jeopardize their anonymity. BUT if they get a radically different mission or set of tasks, I would assume things are degrading rapidly and whatever prompted them to speak in the first place would prompt further warning.

My key takeaways from -001 have been this:

- Emergency protocols have been enacted and labs put online or retasked early and proactively

- Containment is futile to the point of not expending resources to even try

- All public-facing focus is to absolutely minimize potential panic and chaos

- Panic and chaos seem to be inevitable at this point, so the more ‘normal’ days that -001’s lab has to work the problem, the better

- -001 is simply a single team member of many, at a single lab of many, working the problem. In a ‘need to know’ environment, their broader knowledge, expertise, or intel will be extremely limited.

- -001 is taking an extreme risk in an extreme situation. One with enough DOD components that the risk of being ‘disappeared’ is VERY real

- Never take anyone at total face value and no one is without some kind of agenda, but take the information flow as part of a whole and use your own critical thinking. To me, -001 is just as credible as any of the ‘official’ sources so far, and FAR more credible than the CCP.
 Quoting: Larphillips


Well said, Lar. Maybe my preconceived notions are what makes 001's posts ring true to me, but everything 001 has said is consistent with what I already thought and/or observed about this virus and its implications, namely there's no viable treatment at the moment, a vaccine is far enough away as to be irrelevant, containment is not possible, public disclosure at this point would be counterproductive, conspiracy theories are better saved for a later date when it matters, and the economics of this are going to be worse than the virus itself.
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I think the key thing we need to look for is a radical shift or pivot at -001’s lab. They were pretty clear and open as to what their specific task is. If they get any kind of significant breakthrough, I doubt we’ll get specifics outside of something very vague...it would jeopardize their anonymity. BUT if they get a radically different mission or set of tasks, I would assume things are degrading rapidly and whatever prompted them to speak in the first place would prompt further warning.

My key takeaways from -001 have been this:

- Emergency protocols have been enacted and labs put online or retasked early and proactively

- Containment is futile to the point of not expending resources to even try

- All public-facing focus is to absolutely minimize potential panic and chaos

- Panic and chaos seem to be inevitable at this point, so the more ‘normal’ days that -001’s lab has to work the problem, the better

- -001 is simply a single team member of many, at a single lab of many, working the problem. In a ‘need to know’ environment, their broader knowledge, expertise, or intel will be extremely limited.

- -001 is taking an extreme risk in an extreme situation. One with enough DOD components that the risk of being ‘disappeared’ is VERY real

- Never take anyone at total face value and no one is without some kind of agenda, but take the information flow as part of a whole and use your own critical thinking. To me, -001 is just as credible as any of the ‘official’ sources so far, and FAR more credible than the CCP.
 Quoting: Larphillips


Thanks for this insights,
I want to add that knowing this President government and way
of "unofficial" communicating with the public we will have 001 here as long as we are here and he/she will speak to us and warn us if needed.

My take after all intelligent and to the point you made which I agree with 100% is that this is or was inevitable and more danger lies in overcrowding the health and USM system , and later food and basic services distribution system than in virus itself.

like for example a shooter in 100,000 people stadium, it will kill some, then expend its ammo but the 99,000 will be damaged or killed from stampedo that is caused by shooter

peace
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I think the key thing we need to look for is a radical shift or pivot at -001’s lab. They were pretty clear and open as to what their specific task is. If they get any kind of significant breakthrough, I doubt we’ll get specifics outside of something very vague...it would jeopardize their anonymity. BUT if they get a radically different mission or set of tasks, I would assume things are degrading rapidly and whatever prompted them to speak in the first place would prompt further warning.

My key takeaways from -001 have been this:

- Emergency protocols have been enacted and labs put online or retasked early and proactively

- Containment is futile to the point of not expending resources to even try

- All public-facing focus is to absolutely minimize potential panic and chaos

- Panic and chaos seem to be inevitable at this point, so the more ‘normal’ days that -001’s lab has to work the problem, the better

- -001 is simply a single team member of many, at a single lab of many, working the problem. In a ‘need to know’ environment, their broader knowledge, expertise, or intel will be extremely limited.

- -001 is taking an extreme risk in an extreme situation. One with enough DOD components that the risk of being ‘disappeared’ is VERY real

- Never take anyone at total face value and no one is without some kind of agenda, but take the information flow as part of a whole and use your own critical thinking. To me, -001 is just as credible as any of the ‘official’ sources so far, and FAR more credible than the CCP.
 Quoting: Larphillips


CDC just confirmed a lot of what he is saying

working steadfastly on a treatment regimen that works

including antivirals
 Quoting: Jake


That's the public face of it, but privately, they know there's not a medical intervention that works, as 001 has said. A hundred years of research in to the flu virus and the best they've got is Tamiflu, and you have to take it on Day 1 and it only shortens the duration of the flu by a day. While I admire them for trying, there's no way they're gonna fix this. It's gonna have to run its course.
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Non stop flights of Military choppers going back and forth

between Canada and Michigan all morning, not sure how it

is related.
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Non stop flights of Military choppers going back and forth

between Canada and Michigan all morning, not sure how it

is related.
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Ya know what? You just gave me a good idea. The main thread is supposed to be for news, although it has attracted a lot of trolls. NawtyBits has a strictly-enforced news-only thread. We don't have a Kung Flu intel-specific thread, so I think I'm going to expand the scope of the thread since, technically, 001 is "intel."
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Non stop flights of Military choppers going back and forth

between Canada and Michigan all morning, not sure how it

is related.
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Ya know what? You just gave me a good idea. The main thread is supposed to be for news, although it has attracted a lot of trolls. NawtyBits has a strictly-enforced news-only thread. We don't have a Kung Flu intel-specific thread, so I think I'm going to expand the scope of the thread since, technically, 001 is "intel."
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I agree 100% will need a good mod to kick the trolls
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Ya know what? You just gave me a good idea. The main thread is supposed to be for news, although it has attracted a lot of trolls. NawtyBits has a strictly-enforced news-only thread. We don't have a Kung Flu intel-specific thread, so I think I'm going to expand the scope of the thread since, technically, 001 is "intel."
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I agree 100% will need a good mod to kick the trolls
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Well, you don't have a GOOD mod, but you got me, the EX-mod. I shall endeavor to do my best.
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Ya know what? You just gave me a good idea. The main thread is supposed to be for news, although it has attracted a lot of trolls. NawtyBits has a strictly-enforced news-only thread. We don't have a Kung Flu intel-specific thread, so I think I'm going to expand the scope of the thread since, technically, 001 is "intel."
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I agree 100% will need a good mod to kick the trolls
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Well, you don't have a GOOD mod, but you got me, the EX-mod. I shall endeavor to do my best.
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chuckle
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Ya know what? You just gave me a good idea. The main thread is supposed to be for news, although it has attracted a lot of trolls. NawtyBits has a strictly-enforced news-only thread. We don't have a Kung Flu intel-specific thread, so I think I'm going to expand the scope of the thread since, technically, 001 is "intel."
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I agree 100% will need a good mod to kick the trolls
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Well, you don't have a GOOD mod, but you got me, the EX-mod. I shall endeavor to do my best.
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Right on.

I have been following the other long thread but it does get junked up from time to time with nonsense. Still a great head to follow. But wouldn't hurt to have another.

Thanks Revbo.
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Whoever pinned this, I appreciate it, but let's not do that in the future. It's better for a thread like this to fly under the radar. Otherwise, moderating it makes it a lot more difficult because pins attract douchebags like shit attracts flies.
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Ya know what? You just gave me a good idea. The main thread is supposed to be for news, although it has attracted a lot of trolls. NawtyBits has a strictly-enforced news-only thread. We don't have a Kung Flu intel-specific thread, so I think I'm going to expand the scope of the thread since, technically, 001 is "intel."
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


I agree 100% will need a good mod to kick the trolls
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Well, you don't have a GOOD mod, but you got me, the EX-mod. I shall endeavor to do my best.
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I like the company that I found myself in,
"intel" it is then


Wuhan got oil tonight? [chills]
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

China's controlling AI in the open

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

US Spartan brigade is going for Europe to defend it's borders
???

chinese foreign afair minister is praising the deceeased dr. on Twatter
=no link,cant find it

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Ya know what? You just gave me a good idea. The main thread is supposed to be for news, although it has attracted a lot of trolls. NawtyBits has a strictly-enforced news-only thread. We don't have a Kung Flu intel-specific thread, so I think I'm going to expand the scope of the thread since, technically, 001 is "intel."
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


I agree 100% will need a good mod to kick the trolls
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Well, you don't have a GOOD mod, but you got me, the EX-mod. I shall endeavor to do my best.
 Quoting: Deplorable Revbo™


I like the company that I found myself in,
"intel" it is then


Wuhan got oil tonight? [chills]
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

China's controlling AI in the open

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

US Spartan brigade is going for Europe to defend it's borders
???

chinese foreign afair minister is praising the deceeased dr. on Twatter
=no link,cant find it

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78381152


Good stuff. Thanks. That Chinese doctor was a hero.

By the way, it's okay to post news here, too, but let's keep it to really big stuff, not the minutia.

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