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Molyneux vs Dyer Debate (harden your mental blade and grasp some reality)

 
Lance Roseman From BC

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Molyneux vs Dyer Debate (harden your mental blade and grasp some reality)
This is a long going call out. Dyer, in and of himself, is a formidable force speaking from the conception of the Orthodoxy. Stefan gets a bit bogged down in the intricacies of metaphysics but if you like /enjoy a mental debate by two with rapier sharp wits. This is a damn fine listen.

The Great Awakening is colour blind and shall NOT be Localized...lance

silencing yourself and living in the dark just means you've left yourself exposed to the type of people who wander the dark looking for victims who won't scream. TlvmmCpoft

Something Shakespeare never said was 'you've got to be kidding' R.Hitchcok

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This is a long going call out. Dyer, in and of himself, is a formidable force speaking from the conception of the Orthodoxy. Stefan gets a bit bogged down in the intricacies of metaphysics but if you like /enjoy a mental debate by two with rapier sharp wits. This is a damn fine listen.

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Allred, go back to basketball.

Take your wife Lisa with you.
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This is a long going call out. Dyer, in and of himself, is a formidable force speaking from the conception of the Orthodoxy. Stefan gets a bit bogged down in the intricacies of metaphysics but if you like /enjoy a mental debate by two with rapier sharp wits. This is a damn fine listen.

 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


Allred, go back to basketball.

Take your wife Lisa with you.
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All moustaches are yellow, I repeat, all moustaches are yellow. Make some fucking sense buddy.
The Great Awakening is colour blind and shall NOT be Localized...lance

silencing yourself and living in the dark just means you've left yourself exposed to the type of people who wander the dark looking for victims who won't scream. TlvmmCpoft

Something Shakespeare never said was 'you've got to be kidding' R.Hitchcok

I"m more like I am now, then i was when I first came here.

Old ravers never dye, we just become discoloured...
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The Great Awakening is colour blind and shall NOT be Localized...lance

silencing yourself and living in the dark just means you've left yourself exposed to the type of people who wander the dark looking for victims who won't scream. TlvmmCpoft

Something Shakespeare never said was 'you've got to be kidding' R.Hitchcok

I"m more like I am now, then i was when I first came here.

Old ravers never dye, we just become discoloured...
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Only watch/listen if you have an iQ above potato.
The Great Awakening is colour blind and shall NOT be Localized...lance

silencing yourself and living in the dark just means you've left yourself exposed to the type of people who wander the dark looking for victims who won't scream. TlvmmCpoft

Something Shakespeare never said was 'you've got to be kidding' R.Hitchcok

I"m more like I am now, then i was when I first came here.

Old ravers never dye, we just become discoloured...
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BUmp
The Great Awakening is colour blind and shall NOT be Localized...lance

silencing yourself and living in the dark just means you've left yourself exposed to the type of people who wander the dark looking for victims who won't scream. TlvmmCpoft

Something Shakespeare never said was 'you've got to be kidding' R.Hitchcok

I"m more like I am now, then i was when I first came here.

Old ravers never dye, we just become discoloured...
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This is brand new ?


Thank you !
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This is brand new ?


Thank you !
 Quoting: chauchat


Sure is...about to dive into it, it has been a long time coming. We are not all fucking idiots on GuLP.
The Great Awakening is colour blind and shall NOT be Localized...lance

silencing yourself and living in the dark just means you've left yourself exposed to the type of people who wander the dark looking for victims who won't scream. TlvmmCpoft

Something Shakespeare never said was 'you've got to be kidding' R.Hitchcok

I"m more like I am now, then i was when I first came here.

Old ravers never dye, we just become discoloured...
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Re: Molyneux vs Dyer Debate (harden your mental blade and grasp some reality)
This is brand new ?


Thank you !
 Quoting: chauchat


Sure is...about to dive into it, it has been a long time coming. We are not all fucking idiots on GuLP.
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


Hi !

It's finally started to sink in a little bit what Stefan Molyneux was saying about how you can experience something, like hunger, a dream, being cold, yet it's not objectively real. trying to demonstrate that he's not an empiricist, relying strictly on sense data (?)
Or maybe to demonstrate that empiricists are right to really strictly on sense data? - IDK
but, moving on, I saw more what he meant when I was rereading this just now:
about memories of past lives:

... recollections of life at another time in another place, as drawn out under hypnosis...

Under hypnosis much information stored in the brain can be drawn out. Hypnotists tap the subconscious memory. But how did those memories get there? Perhaps you read a book, saw a motion picture, or learned about certain people on television. If you put yourself in the place of the people about whom you were learning, it might have made a vivid impression, almost as if the experience were your own. What you actually did may have been so long ago that you have forgotten it, but under hypnosis the experience may be recalled as if you were remembering “another life.” Yet, if that were true, would not everyone have such memories? But not everyone does. It is noteworthy that an increasing number of state supreme courts in the United States do not accept hypnotically induced testimony. In 1980 the Minnesota Supreme Court declared that “the best expert testimony indicates that no expert can determine whether memory retrieved by hypnosis, or any part of that memory, is truth, falsehood, or confabulation—a filling of gaps with fantasy. Such results are not scientifically reliable as accurate.” (State v. Mack, 292 N.W.2d 764) The influence of suggestions made by the hypnotist to the one hypnotized is a factor in this unreliability.


Before, I was kind of thinking that Jay Dyer and Father Ananias were going easy on Molyneux, b/c he's a celeb, relatively- speaking, like Jordan Peterson, both of whom Jay has claimed 'wouldn't be bothered to debate lowly [ in subscriber #s] J. Dyer'.

But now, (also, hearing them peacefully, amicably handling the 'chats' together @ the end of the 2-hour version of debate) I think they might be right to point out that S.F. does have a talent for explaining "in 3-d" [I think they said] some of the concepts.

Thanks again for alerting and would love to hear your thoughts, though I think you can see -from the foregoing- they would have to be pretty dumbed-down !
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Re: Molyneux vs Dyer Debate (harden your mental blade and grasp some reality)
This is brand new ?


Thank you !
 Quoting: chauchat


Sure is...about to dive into it, it has been a long time coming. We are not all fucking idiots on GuLP.
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


Hi !

It's finally started to sink in a little bit what Stefan Molyneux was saying about how you can experience something, like hunger, a dream, being cold, yet it's not objectively real. trying to demonstrate that he's not an empiricist, relying strictly on sense data (?)
Or maybe to demonstrate that empiricists are right to really strictly on sense data? - IDK
but, moving on, I saw more what he meant when I was rereading this just now:
about memories of past lives:

... recollections of life at another time in another place, as drawn out under hypnosis...

Under hypnosis much information stored in the brain can be drawn out. Hypnotists tap the subconscious memory. But how did those memories get there? Perhaps you read a book, saw a motion picture, or learned about certain people on television. If you put yourself in the place of the people about whom you were learning, it might have made a vivid impression, almost as if the experience were your own. What you actually did may have been so long ago that you have forgotten it, but under hypnosis the experience may be recalled as if you were remembering “another life.” Yet, if that were true, would not everyone have such memories? But not everyone does. It is noteworthy that an increasing number of state supreme courts in the United States do not accept hypnotically induced testimony. In 1980 the Minnesota Supreme Court declared that “the best expert testimony indicates that no expert can determine whether memory retrieved by hypnosis, or any part of that memory, is truth, falsehood, or confabulation—a filling of gaps with fantasy. Such results are not scientifically reliable as accurate.” (State v. Mack, 292 N.W.2d 764) The influence of suggestions made by the hypnotist to the one hypnotized is a factor in this unreliability.


Before, I was kind of thinking that Jay Dyer and Father Ananias were going easy on Molyneux, b/c he's a celeb, relatively- speaking, like Jordan Peterson, both of whom Jay has claimed 'wouldn't be bothered to debate lowly [ in subscriber #s] J. Dyer'.

But now, (also, hearing them peacefully, amicably handling the 'chats' together @ the end of the 2-hour version of debate) I think they might be right to point out that S.F. does have a talent for explaining "in 3-d" [I think they said] some of the concepts.

Thanks again for alerting and would love to hear your thoughts, though I think you can see -from the foregoing- they would have to be pretty dumbed-down !
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* S.M. , not S.F.





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