To the christians of GLP (not a bash christian thread)

I haven't had a chance to check out your links yet, altho I will. But I wanted to say that altho I would love to see a pre-trib rapture, I tend to doubt it. I am starting to believe in pre-wrath. I have noticed that those who have a later rapture position are open to discussing it, but pre-trib folks get upset and sometimes downright mad if you suggest anything else. I think it is fear

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I didn't read the rapture2007 site, I was kind of shocked at all the Christian links mixed in with male dysfunction ones. I did look over the link started by "Chris" in the other one, the bulletin board. I got into it for awhile, it would be so nice to think it was true. But I have been a Christian watching for the return of Christ for many years, and have seen many of the same kinds of things come and go. I think Chris and everyone else should ask God for discernment about the dream

I agree with you OP.. We will all carry our cross and we shall not know the hour.. BUT, we are to watch for the season of His return.. Soon, but not before the fun begins

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exactly...i feel it's close, but that date setting is completely false

Zeitgeist has been thoroughly debunked and torn to shreds as completely non-credible (debunked by atheists too, btw), please drive through:

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Anyway, I really wish there'd be a pre-trib rapture and I used to lean that way. But the more I look into it the more it seems like wishful thinking. The verses often used in support of a pre-trib rapture seem to be saying that if you're watching, praying and paying attention then God will help to keep you alive and generally safe during the tribulation period. But not by zapping you out of there but by things like guiding you toward places or people that can help to provide that.

We have work to do.

There will come a day, My children, when men will flee in terror from your "presence". For no sin will be able to stand in the presence of My Spirit, and from you shall flow not just trickles of living water, but torrents that will flood out upon all flesh [John 7:38]. And, through this process, My spotless and unblemished Church - full of My glory - shall stand before Me. Blessed are those who serve Me and walk uprightly before Me in this hour, for they shall ride the crest of this great flood of My Spirit in the earth, and greatly shall they be exalted in the carrying out of My Will [Word]!

- God

Praise The Holy Of Holy:1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:--The dead in Christ arose after Crucifiction ::Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up, out of your graves,:Luk 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.:::Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. :::
AND THE RAPTURE HAS TAKEN PLACE EVERYDAY SINCE!
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent the body, and to be present with the Lord.Praise the Holy of Holy:amen
As we die the soul passes to Christ without going to the grave thus the rapture has taken place every day !Praise The Lamb:Praise The Holy Of Holy :: Those that died before tribulation::Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. THEN THOSE THAT DIED DURING TRIBULATION!!Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Praise The Lamb:Amen YOU CAN CALL THIS PRE TRIB RAPTURE OR SIMPLY RESURRECTION Praise The Holy Of Holy::1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Heaven will be without our flesh and blood and up off the earth!!Praise The Lamb:; Amen

THANKS to Wing-ed and to the OP, Mr. Mannn... I love Christians... like you who are unafraid to take a stand for truth & light...

excellent!

The pre-trib and mid-trib rapture is not Scriptural.

Jesus Witnesses in John 17 (vs 20)that HIS People were not to be taken out of the world, but preserved against all evil.

These are the Final Moments. As such, reflect on Matthew 24:24 where HE Witnesses that only "the very elect" cannot be deceived. Rapturists are not among "the very elect", else they would have no fear for the tribulation of these days.

Most Christians have not died to this world, have not surrendered their lives unto The Father. They are not among the very elect, or those who Abide In-HIM as HE Abides In The Father.

Additionally, Jesus Witnesses in Matthew 13:11-17 that those to whom the knowledge of The Mysteries of Heaven is Given will have their knowledge increased, while those it is not Given to will have their knowledge taken away.


Deception takes many forms in these Final Moments. Those whom Jesus will say, "Depart from me you workers of iniquity; I Know you not", are those who remain mired in Self, were unable to trust God fully/completely with their lives.


Sadly, in the aftermath of the destruction of America/Babylon (Rev 18); these rapturists will feel betrayed and lose what faith they have. They will be in real need of strong, guiding witness from others who do Abide In-HIM.

It has been my witness since April 04, that The Holy Spirit would deliver such persons to HIS People for safekeeping and witness.

I read a bit of Chris' witness and must admit The Holy Spirit has never given me a Witness, Revelation, or Quickened Knowledge to me with a repetitive insistence. I know HIS Voice and touch and am never in need of more than one conveyance of Witness from HIM.

Most Christians have no concept of surrender and would not understand God's Witness in Ezekiel 36:26 where HE Witnesses what it means to be Born-Again. Most think all they need do is acknowledge Jesus as their personal saviour, at least that's what they believe because that's what their religion instructs them to accept.

If you read John 17, you will find it is Christ Jesus' Prayer for The Remnant. HIS Promise and bond with us. Similarly, you can read John's First Epistle and understand John is giving witness of what you Know and have experienced.

No man teaches us. We have The Guidance of The Holy Spirit. We need no other.

Most Christians don't really trust God. They doubt The Holy Spirit, say they have to "verify HIS Witness in The Word...". Pretty damn sad. Then they go on to say that "God sends lying spirits", citing the situation with Ahab. Like God will lie to HIS People???

The rapture cult is born of fear.
These "Christians" don't trust HIM enough to Know they are delivered from evil.

The day of The Greater Works is about to manifest.
I have experienced most of the Gifts of The Holy Spirit.
It is surely a blessing and fulfillment of our lives purpose to be an instrument of HIS Will.

Never forget that God's Will IS Perfect.
All is right in Heaven.
Jesus Overcame the evil one 2000 years ago.
satan is already defeated.
You, (if you are HIS) are HIS heir and an OverComer as well.

Maranatha!!! Praise The Name of The Lord!!!
Christ Jesus IS already Embarked back unto us!!!
Maranatha!!!

thank you

AMEN!!!

john 14 explains what the return of Christ is in Jesus's own words.

28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe.

20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you

18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
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I scrambled them up a bit so maybe you will understand that Jesus is the Comforter who will not leave us as orphans and Jesus is also the Spirit of Truth and way to become one in the Father.

Lester, I have been struggling with the Bible and what role EXACTLY it is suppose to play in the life of a follower of Christ or a Christian. Often times when I pray before studying and I always pray before reading the Bible so that I will have the Holy Spirit to guide me in my study and to teach me what He wills. Sometimes I get a message from what I read, and other times He seems to be silent. So I am still undecided about the Bible and how I am supposed to reconcile it in my daily walk. I would appreciate any insight you could give me on this. I've seen you on Glp for many years now and I'm famliar with your posts regarding the carnal man and the spiritual man. Do you have any insight for me? Thank you kindly for your time.

1 John 4
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.

6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
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Do not listen to those who prophecy that Jesus is not yet returned, their words are not from the Spirit of God. How much more clearer does John have to make it?

it is my understanding that jesus will come secretly,like a thief in the night.He will observe and slowly gather his chosen to him.Then will come the rapture,the world shaking event will lead to the revealing of the anti-christ.After the tribulation first those that chose to follow christ after the first rature will be taken up to jesus.Then the white throne judgement will take place and all mankind will be judged.
As it stands now, anyone proclaiming to know the time or the hour this will begin is a liar and false prophet.This is according to scripture.When Jesus decides to return then he will do so.Even his father doesnt know when this will happen.But bear in mind that it wont happen until every living person has had a chance to hear Christs promise of salvation.
Right now Biblical events are taking place and the world is beginning to move toward this event happening.If your saved and believe then of course you look forward to the coming of Jesus.If you arent then you know that the wrath will be horrifying.
Visit your nearest religious website of choice for instructions on accepting the word of God and Jesus as your savior.(if you should choose to do so.)Otherwise dont worry,God has placed a spell on the non believers so that they wont know that the rapture has taken place until its too late.
Go with God

I think I just fell in love with your profile pic!!!

blessing brethren and Brother Mann,

FHL(C), is requesting covering prayer for the next week in 3/4D, so please ask Our Lord and those who can say. amen.

You are right - there will be no 'rapture'. It is not written in the Bible.

Wing-ed is right on target - the only way to get 'raptured' out of here before the return of Christ, is for your human body to die.

That guy 'Chris' can NOT know a date or time.

Jesus said:

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

And I take HIS word over Chris' any day.

But we can know the season. I personally feel it will be in the Spring time. But I do not have a clue as to the year. Time will tell.

Exactly...if Jesus doesn't even know when he's coming back, why would a man know?

I think in general the Rapture is most assuredly a pre-wrath thing, but my assessment of when the wrath begins verses the tribulation period is different. I think we go between the 6th and 7th seal and that this is easily seen in Revelation. I think the 6th seal is the final warning and likely coincides with a feast day. As to whether I can conclude much more, well that is up to you to decide.

Clarity will come from within. You will KNOW when I do, but not because someone told us or I you. You will simply know, if it is important to do so.

When is it? Well what we can perceive is at least a function of where we are in the process. If we have more than a thousand years to go, we probably know very little. If it is but days away then we know much more.

The knowledge that the bible teaches in this is not intellectual, but something revealed within. If and when the time comes for us to know we will know that we know because we know.

I think the festivals as appointments is a sound doctrine and I follow these Holy days each year. Is this year any different than all the ones before it? Only time will tell.

Elijah


There will be no rapture. Unless one dies before Christ returns, we will ALL be right here waiting for Him.

Who do you think are the ones that are brought before the antichrist? If all Christians are gone - there would be no one to do that.

And who are these "SEALED" ones that Satan and his army are not allowed to touch?

Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree;
(((but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.)))

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Anonymous Coward 285309 your hoping he doesnt exist because in your heart of hearts you know differently and are afraid of everlasting judgement

How do you handle, "...then we whcih are alive and remain..."?

Elijah

I handle it just fine because I know what it means.

It was a serious question and it was answered with sarcasm.

This is why I have chosen to not interact with many of you. You need to look within and figure out why you feel the need to be arrogant with me. I did you no harm.