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Show me God without the Bible, then prove he is your religion.

 
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Islam- Jesus is in the Koran.

Got the chapter 19 Mary story. Our lady of Fatima. Two birds one stone.


Ca·thol·i·cism
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the faith, practice, and church order of the Roman Catholic Church.
adherence to the forms of Christian doctrine and practice which are generally regarded as Catholic rather than Protestant or Eastern Orthodox.

The most murderous religion in history.

Almost everything is a lie. The saints. Lol.

Islam was created by Catholics.
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There are bad apples in every bushel, regardless of whether the apple is green, red, Cortland, Fiji, Empire, etc.

You are all over the place. Are you okay?
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Sadly bad apples/potatoes beget more of the same unless you remove them from the "infected" bushel...even so the bad in the fruit can be parred away and if done in time you still have enough to be of good use. Even when it is beyond any real salvaging there are the seeds inside that can bring forth much good fruit later
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What a pragmatic view of humanity. Just like gold teeth can be pried out of the corpses of inferior races, right?
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say what? I think you misread what I meant. I have to say it stuck me a minute ago you come across as someone who is high up in this world. Like you are a creator who has been sickened by his creation and plans on killing every last one of us for our beliefs and actions we say/do in his/her name and yet even so you WANT to be proven right one more time before going through with the SNAP of your Fingers. That no matter how many of us are TRYING to do/be good nothing we can say or do will change your mid from the course you have set before you? Are you a killer? Have you done wrong? What is YOUR End Game? I just want a good world not there is still some of that out there but we are about to lose what little there is as we debate it on here and do NOTHING out there.
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Why are you guilt-tripping me? I wanted to kill myself, but I got hospitalized for A YEAR to punish me, while nothing was done about the cause. Why was it so important to save me? Because I might be USEFUL later. That is all. Where is the goodness in that? That one person would destroy the world because it isn't useful for them is the LOGICAL end of that utilitarian calculus, and it requires drastic breaks in logic, morality, and ethics to ensure that it doesn't fail. Along with this, it selects for those sort of 'morally flexible' individuals over people who are naturally good. Eventually both the hands and the voice are that of Esau. And if 'everyone's doing it' is your excuse, then what constitutes chosenness except for the same old racial exclusivism, tribal version?
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Fatima is the “near sinless daughter” of Mohammed.

Can’t make this stuff up.
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Ancestral gods are idols and not the one G-d. Logically there can only be one G-d, not many because then they wouldn't actually be all powerful givers/sustainers/takers of life.

Child molestation of any kind is not permitted. I hate to ask this, but are you an adult sufferer? I'm terribly sorry for the pain you must be feeling if you are.
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What you do not want is an open market for justice or notions of rights to appeal to. And you can't even stop the bad apples in your midst if they have done favors for the right people. Why bother?
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Please don't speak for me when I am capable of speaking for myself. We, as Torah Observant J-ws, are in full favoure of Courts that uphold justice as laid out by G-d in the Torah.

If I had the power, trust me, I'd stop every single one of them. If I were the Pope I'd hang every last diddler in St. Peters square. If I were the President of Any Nation I'd line the streets of the capital with heads on pikes.

Thankfully the Torah outlines the proper punishment and my human side would be constrained and my fleshly desires of gory public retribution would be kept in check.
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hey I am sure you can hire some folks to get things straightened out in those areas for you
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I'm sure I could get people to do it for free because a majority isn't bad and wants justice from the small percentage that carry out the most heinous of crimes.
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Sadly bad apples/potatoes beget more of the same unless you remove them from the "infected" bushel...even so the bad in the fruit can be parred away and if done in time you still have enough to be of good use. Even when it is beyond any real salvaging there are the seeds inside that can bring forth much good fruit later
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What a pragmatic view of humanity. Just like gold teeth can be pried out of the corpses of inferior races, right?
 Quoting: Mr. Robot


say what? I think you misread what I meant. I have to say it stuck me a minute ago you come across as someone who is high up in this world. Like you are a creator who has been sickened by his creation and plans on killing every last one of us for our beliefs and actions we say/do in his/her name and yet even so you WANT to be proven right one more time before going through with the SNAP of your Fingers. That no matter how many of us are TRYING to do/be good nothing we can say or do will change your mid from the course you have set before you? Are you a killer? Have you done wrong? What is YOUR End Game? I just want a good world not there is still some of that out there but we are about to lose what little there is as we debate it on here and do NOTHING out there.
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Why are you guilt-tripping me? I wanted to kill myself, but I got hospitalized for A YEAR to punish me, while nothing was done about the cause. Why was it so important to save me? Because I might be USEFUL later. That is all. Where is the goodness in that? That one person would destroy the world because it isn't useful for them is the LOGICAL end of that utilitarian calculus, and it requires drastic breaks in logic, morality, and ethics to ensure that it doesn't fail. Along with this, it selects for those sort of 'morally flexible' individuals over people who are naturally good. Eventually both the hands and the voice are that of Esau. And if 'everyone's doing it' is your excuse, then what constitutes chosenness except for the same old racial exclusivism, tribal version?
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I myself do not believe in chosenness. perhaps you have been helped by doctors but I and my family have mostly been failed by them. May i kindly suggest you concern yourself with being well maybe if possible getting out into nature (away from all issues) Have you ever been in the service? While reading this you wrote above I thought what would I say/do if this is my oldest son writing this He went to Iraq. I really could not fathom that thought so pushed it aside. I do have a special needs adult son who I have to get ready to go somewhere now so can no longer keep in this conversation. I do not know what demons you live with or from where they came I do think you can be good and care and love yourself without believing in any religion so perhaps start there. I thought I had a dark take on todays world but you take the cake hon. My Mom got cancer (probably from talcum powder) what probably did her in was being prescribed Oxy and becoming dependent on it in the end it was that that killed her and stole her last years away. Why bring that up? Hell if I know I just thought you should know it is what we think do dwell on that can be our demise and not being shot or stabbed by the unknown Be well and strive to be good no matter the past or your belief
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I love to see church people argue about Jesus. The only common denominator they have and they just trash him by arguing.
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Sadly bad apples/potatoes beget more of the same unless you remove them from the "infected" bushel...even so the bad in the fruit can be parred away and if done in time you still have enough to be of good use. Even when it is beyond any real salvaging there are the seeds inside that can bring forth much good fruit later
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What a pragmatic view of humanity. Just like gold teeth can be pried out of the corpses of inferior races, right?
 Quoting: Mr. Robot


say what? I think you misread what I meant. I have to say it stuck me a minute ago you come across as someone who is high up in this world. Like you are a creator who has been sickened by his creation and plans on killing every last one of us for our beliefs and actions we say/do in his/her name and yet even so you WANT to be proven right one more time before going through with the SNAP of your Fingers. That no matter how many of us are TRYING to do/be good nothing we can say or do will change your mid from the course you have set before you? Are you a killer? Have you done wrong? What is YOUR End Game? I just want a good world not there is still some of that out there but we are about to lose what little there is as we debate it on here and do NOTHING out there.
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Why are you guilt-tripping me? I wanted to kill myself, but I got hospitalized for A YEAR to punish me, while nothing was done about the cause. Why was it so important to save me? Because I might be USEFUL later. That is all. Where is the goodness in that? That one person would destroy the world because it isn't useful for them is the LOGICAL end of that utilitarian calculus, and it requires drastic breaks in logic, morality, and ethics to ensure that it doesn't fail. Along with this, it selects for those sort of 'morally flexible' individuals over people who are naturally good. Eventually both the hands and the voice are that of Esau. And if 'everyone's doing it' is your excuse, then what constitutes chosenness except for the same old racial exclusivism, tribal version?
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I've been following along so thanks for the reading material. Saying that people can be "naturally good" implies that people can also be "naturally bad" which you misrepresented as morally flexible. Morally flexible doesn't signify bad nor does it exclude those you view as "naturally good". A lot of opinions paraded as fact, thats ok, but be sure to reflect and figure out where you went wrong as to do better next time.
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What a pragmatic view of humanity. Just like gold teeth can be pried out of the corpses of inferior races, right?
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say what? I think you misread what I meant. I have to say it stuck me a minute ago you come across as someone who is high up in this world. Like you are a creator who has been sickened by his creation and plans on killing every last one of us for our beliefs and actions we say/do in his/her name and yet even so you WANT to be proven right one more time before going through with the SNAP of your Fingers. That no matter how many of us are TRYING to do/be good nothing we can say or do will change your mid from the course you have set before you? Are you a killer? Have you done wrong? What is YOUR End Game? I just want a good world not there is still some of that out there but we are about to lose what little there is as we debate it on here and do NOTHING out there.
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Why are you guilt-tripping me? I wanted to kill myself, but I got hospitalized for A YEAR to punish me, while nothing was done about the cause. Why was it so important to save me? Because I might be USEFUL later. That is all. Where is the goodness in that? That one person would destroy the world because it isn't useful for them is the LOGICAL end of that utilitarian calculus, and it requires drastic breaks in logic, morality, and ethics to ensure that it doesn't fail. Along with this, it selects for those sort of 'morally flexible' individuals over people who are naturally good. Eventually both the hands and the voice are that of Esau. And if 'everyone's doing it' is your excuse, then what constitutes chosenness except for the same old racial exclusivism, tribal version?
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I've been following along so thanks for the reading material. Saying that people can be "naturally good" implies that people can also be "naturally bad" which you misrepresented as morally flexible. Morally flexible doesn't signify bad nor does it exclude those you view as "naturally good". A lot of opinions paraded as fact, thats ok, but be sure to reflect and figure out where you went wrong as to do better next time.
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A person who 'didn't see nothin'' when asked to testify against a rabbi who raped a kid and additionally works in tandem with the rest of the community to shun the parents for reporting them to the authorities isn't 'good' in any sense of the word. Goodness is often viewed in the sense of utility which, as it accrues to the benefit of the community at large politically, is often elevated to the standing of being morally good as well. The community I speak of has such a deficit of moral courage in addition to a native hypocrisy in this regard is such that the line between naturally evil (not 'bad,' my Nietzschean inquisitor) and morally flexible is purposely blurry. "Judge not," is the password to a world where specious moral equivalency--he rapes kids, you jerk off to porn, we're all sinners here--functions as an effective form of moral blackmail: kindness and severity, to use the jargon.

The presence of an initial feeling of anger at injustice, abuse, etc is proportional to one's natural goodness, while the ability to override that feeling is a function of one's moral 'flexibility.' The absence of any qualms when witnessing things like child rape I would certainly attribute to the absence of any goodness whatever in the biological organism, yes.

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say what? I think you misread what I meant. I have to say it stuck me a minute ago you come across as someone who is high up in this world. Like you are a creator who has been sickened by his creation and plans on killing every last one of us for our beliefs and actions we say/do in his/her name and yet even so you WANT to be proven right one more time before going through with the SNAP of your Fingers. That no matter how many of us are TRYING to do/be good nothing we can say or do will change your mid from the course you have set before you? Are you a killer? Have you done wrong? What is YOUR End Game? I just want a good world not there is still some of that out there but we are about to lose what little there is as we debate it on here and do NOTHING out there.
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Why are you guilt-tripping me? I wanted to kill myself, but I got hospitalized for A YEAR to punish me, while nothing was done about the cause. Why was it so important to save me? Because I might be USEFUL later. That is all. Where is the goodness in that? That one person would destroy the world because it isn't useful for them is the LOGICAL end of that utilitarian calculus, and it requires drastic breaks in logic, morality, and ethics to ensure that it doesn't fail. Along with this, it selects for those sort of 'morally flexible' individuals over people who are naturally good. Eventually both the hands and the voice are that of Esau. And if 'everyone's doing it' is your excuse, then what constitutes chosenness except for the same old racial exclusivism, tribal version?
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I've been following along so thanks for the reading material. Saying that people can be "naturally good" implies that people can also be "naturally bad" which you misrepresented as morally flexible. Morally flexible doesn't signify bad nor does it exclude those you view as "naturally good". A lot of opinions paraded as fact, thats ok, but be sure to reflect and figure out where you went wrong as to do better next time.
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A person who 'didn't see nothin'' when asked to testify against a rabbi who raped a kid and additionally works in tandem with the rest of the community to shun the parents for reporting them to the authorities isn't 'good' in any sense of the word. Goodness is often viewed in the sense of utility which, as it accrues to the benefit of the community at large politically, is often elevated to the standing of being morally good as well. The community I speak of has such a deficit of moral courage and hypocrisy in this regard that the line between naturally evil(not 'bad,' my Nietzschean debater) and morally flexible is purposely blurry.

The absence of an initial feeling of anger at injustice, abuse, etc is proportional to one's natural goodness, while the ability to override that feeling is a function of one's moral 'flexibility.' The absence of any qualms when witnessing things like child rape I would certainly attribute to the absence of any goodness whatever in the biological organism, yes.
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Good and bad can't be certainties without GOD, the morality you speak of has no cornerstone. Injustice isn't to be decided by you and me because we aren't naturally good or bad, it is our free will (the ability to override feelings as you put it) that solidifies this.
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I love to see church people argue about Jesus. The only common denominator they have and they just trash him by arguing.
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I guess you only see here what you wanted to see then
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Why are you guilt-tripping me? I wanted to kill myself, but I got hospitalized for A YEAR to punish me, while nothing was done about the cause. Why was it so important to save me? Because I might be USEFUL later. That is all. Where is the goodness in that? That one person would destroy the world because it isn't useful for them is the LOGICAL end of that utilitarian calculus, and it requires drastic breaks in logic, morality, and ethics to ensure that it doesn't fail. Along with this, it selects for those sort of 'morally flexible' individuals over people who are naturally good. Eventually both the hands and the voice are that of Esau. And if 'everyone's doing it' is your excuse, then what constitutes chosenness except for the same old racial exclusivism, tribal version?
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I've been following along so thanks for the reading material. Saying that people can be "naturally good" implies that people can also be "naturally bad" which you misrepresented as morally flexible. Morally flexible doesn't signify bad nor does it exclude those you view as "naturally good". A lot of opinions paraded as fact, thats ok, but be sure to reflect and figure out where you went wrong as to do better next time.
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A person who 'didn't see nothin'' when asked to testify against a rabbi who raped a kid and additionally works in tandem with the rest of the community to shun the parents for reporting them to the authorities isn't 'good' in any sense of the word. Goodness is often viewed in the sense of utility which, as it accrues to the benefit of the community at large politically, is often elevated to the standing of being morally good as well. The community I speak of has such a deficit of moral courage and hypocrisy in this regard that the line between naturally evil(not 'bad,' my Nietzschean debater) and morally flexible is purposely blurry.

The absence of an initial feeling of anger at injustice, abuse, etc is proportional to one's natural goodness, while the ability to override that feeling is a function of one's moral 'flexibility.' The absence of any qualms when witnessing things like child rape I would certainly attribute to the absence of any goodness whatever in the biological organism, yes.
 Quoting: Mr. Robot


Good and bad can't be certainties without GOD, the morality you speak of has no cornerstone. Injustice isn't to be decided by you and me because we aren't naturally good or bad, it is our free will (the ability to override feelings as you put it) that solidifies this.
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Look at the Russian fox studies where they were bred for aggression or docility. That is a perfect example of how I view good and EVIL. From what I see the rabbis constructed 'heters' for seemingly every ruthless and violent person in Israel and made them their pet 'rasha,' allowing them to accrue enormous amounts of power and wealth over a terrified and ignorant populace. There are better people out there, which must in turn be evidence of better GODS. Better still, the absence of any god means that I don't have to care when people who as a group act maliciously and willfully ignorant get theirs at the hands of people who have no goodwill toward them to exploit and are as violent as they. Justice comes in a procedural way, or it comes in a chaotic way that touches everyone who prevented its milder appearance. I'm cool either way.
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I've been following along so thanks for the reading material. Saying that people can be "naturally good" implies that people can also be "naturally bad" which you misrepresented as morally flexible. Morally flexible doesn't signify bad nor does it exclude those you view as "naturally good". A lot of opinions paraded as fact, thats ok, but be sure to reflect and figure out where you went wrong as to do better next time.
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A person who 'didn't see nothin'' when asked to testify against a rabbi who raped a kid and additionally works in tandem with the rest of the community to shun the parents for reporting them to the authorities isn't 'good' in any sense of the word. Goodness is often viewed in the sense of utility which, as it accrues to the benefit of the community at large politically, is often elevated to the standing of being morally good as well. The community I speak of has such a deficit of moral courage and hypocrisy in this regard that the line between naturally evil(not 'bad,' my Nietzschean debater) and morally flexible is purposely blurry.

The absence of an initial feeling of anger at injustice, abuse, etc is proportional to one's natural goodness, while the ability to override that feeling is a function of one's moral 'flexibility.' The absence of any qualms when witnessing things like child rape I would certainly attribute to the absence of any goodness whatever in the biological organism, yes.
 Quoting: Mr. Robot


Good and bad can't be certainties without GOD, the morality you speak of has no cornerstone. Injustice isn't to be decided by you and me because we aren't naturally good or bad, it is our free will (the ability to override feelings as you put it) that solidifies this.
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Look at the Russian fox studies where they were bred for aggression or docility. That is a perfect example of how I view good and EVIL. From what I see the rabbis constructed 'heters' for seemingly every ruthless and violent person in Israel and made them their pet 'rasha,' allowing them to accrue enormous amounts of power and wealth over a terrified and ignorant populace. There are better people out there, which must in turn be evidence of better GODS. Better still, the absence of any god means that I don't have to care when people who as a group act maliciously and willfully ignorant get theirs at the hands of people who have no goodwill toward them to exploit and are as violent as they. Justice comes in a procedural way, or it comes in a chaotic way that touches everyone who prevented its milder appearance. I'm cool either way.
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You contradict yourself, if justice is a static idea not to be disputed then there is no way multiple sources of morality exist. If there were multiple GODS, there would be multiple sources of morality and justice would be merely an opinion that you acknowledge others do not share with you. The idea that you see someone's opinion of justice as a standard of their morality suggests that you acknowledge an infallible judge, which none of us are, thus revealing a singular true GOD. The only other option would be to perceive justice as impossible entirely.
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A person who 'didn't see nothin'' when asked to testify against a rabbi who raped a kid and additionally works in tandem with the rest of the community to shun the parents for reporting them to the authorities isn't 'good' in any sense of the word. Goodness is often viewed in the sense of utility which, as it accrues to the benefit of the community at large politically, is often elevated to the standing of being morally good as well. The community I speak of has such a deficit of moral courage and hypocrisy in this regard that the line between naturally evil(not 'bad,' my Nietzschean debater) and morally flexible is purposely blurry.

The absence of an initial feeling of anger at injustice, abuse, etc is proportional to one's natural goodness, while the ability to override that feeling is a function of one's moral 'flexibility.' The absence of any qualms when witnessing things like child rape I would certainly attribute to the absence of any goodness whatever in the biological organism, yes.
 Quoting: Mr. Robot


Good and bad can't be certainties without GOD, the morality you speak of has no cornerstone. Injustice isn't to be decided by you and me because we aren't naturally good or bad, it is our free will (the ability to override feelings as you put it) that solidifies this.
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Look at the Russian fox studies where they were bred for aggression or docility. That is a perfect example of how I view good and EVIL. From what I see the rabbis constructed 'heters' for seemingly every ruthless and violent person in Israel and made them their pet 'rasha,' allowing them to accrue enormous amounts of power and wealth over a terrified and ignorant populace. There are better people out there, which must in turn be evidence of better GODS. Better still, the absence of any god means that I don't have to care when people who as a group act maliciously and willfully ignorant get theirs at the hands of people who have no goodwill toward them to exploit and are as violent as they. Justice comes in a procedural way, or it comes in a chaotic way that touches everyone who prevented its milder appearance. I'm cool either way.
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You contradict yourself, if justice is a static idea not to be disputed then there is no way multiple sources of morality exist. If there were multiple GODS, there would be multiple sources of morality and justice would be merely an opinion that you acknowledge others do not share with you. The idea that you see someone's opinion of justice as a standard of their morality suggests that you acknowledge an infallible judge, which none of us are, thus revealing a singular true GOD. The only other option would be to perceive justice as impossible entirely.
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The death penalty evolves from human sacrifice; that's why crimes have a 'victim.' People get pissed when, for example, you steal their shit; justice only makes the violence which is a natural reaction procedural. The whole point of ethnicities, and therefore also gods, is to legitimize law as an already-existing practice. Where gods start to defend criminal behavior and become the concierge of the well-born and well-off, then the god and the civilization it represents are on their way out. This is why Zeus, etc are gone. If your god cannot provide justice, then what good is he? People lose their patience, and have their intelligence insulted and take the law into their own hands. Not my fault, but the fault of those who protected the culture's little babies and flouted the expectations of those they were supposed to rule. So justice does become impossible. Whatever. It was a good run.
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A person who 'didn't see nothin'' when asked to testify against a rabbi who raped a kid and additionally works in tandem with the rest of the community to shun the parents for reporting them to the authorities isn't 'good' in any sense of the word. Goodness is often viewed in the sense of utility which, as it accrues to the benefit of the community at large politically, is often elevated to the standing of being morally good as well. The community I speak of has such a deficit of moral courage and hypocrisy in this regard that the line between naturally evil(not 'bad,' my Nietzschean debater) and morally flexible is purposely blurry.

The absence of an initial feeling of anger at injustice, abuse, etc is proportional to one's natural goodness, while the ability to override that feeling is a function of one's moral 'flexibility.' The absence of any qualms when witnessing things like child rape I would certainly attribute to the absence of any goodness whatever in the biological organism, yes.
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Good and bad can't be certainties without GOD, the morality you speak of has no cornerstone. Injustice isn't to be decided by you and me because we aren't naturally good or bad, it is our free will (the ability to override feelings as you put it) that solidifies this.
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Look at the Russian fox studies where they were bred for aggression or docility. That is a perfect example of how I view good and EVIL. From what I see the rabbis constructed 'heters' for seemingly every ruthless and violent person in Israel and made them their pet 'rasha,' allowing them to accrue enormous amounts of power and wealth over a terrified and ignorant populace. There are better people out there, which must in turn be evidence of better GODS. Better still, the absence of any god means that I don't have to care when people who as a group act maliciously and willfully ignorant get theirs at the hands of people who have no goodwill toward them to exploit and are as violent as they. Justice comes in a procedural way, or it comes in a chaotic way that touches everyone who prevented its milder appearance. I'm cool either way.
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You contradict yourself, if justice is a static idea not to be disputed then there is no way multiple sources of morality exist. If there were multiple GODS, there would be multiple sources of morality and justice would be merely an opinion that you acknowledge others do not share with you. The idea that you see someone's opinion of justice as a standard of their morality suggests that you acknowledge an infallible judge, which none of us are, thus revealing a singular true GOD. The only other option would be to perceive justice as impossible entirely.
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My suggestion about other gods was that if god does not provide justice, I think his followers are justified in seeking it elsewhere. More a flaw of his people than his law.
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Good and bad can't be certainties without GOD, the morality you speak of has no cornerstone. Injustice isn't to be decided by you and me because we aren't naturally good or bad, it is our free will (the ability to override feelings as you put it) that solidifies this.
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Look at the Russian fox studies where they were bred for aggression or docility. That is a perfect example of how I view good and EVIL. From what I see the rabbis constructed 'heters' for seemingly every ruthless and violent person in Israel and made them their pet 'rasha,' allowing them to accrue enormous amounts of power and wealth over a terrified and ignorant populace. There are better people out there, which must in turn be evidence of better GODS. Better still, the absence of any god means that I don't have to care when people who as a group act maliciously and willfully ignorant get theirs at the hands of people who have no goodwill toward them to exploit and are as violent as they. Justice comes in a procedural way, or it comes in a chaotic way that touches everyone who prevented its milder appearance. I'm cool either way.
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You contradict yourself, if justice is a static idea not to be disputed then there is no way multiple sources of morality exist. If there were multiple GODS, there would be multiple sources of morality and justice would be merely an opinion that you acknowledge others do not share with you. The idea that you see someone's opinion of justice as a standard of their morality suggests that you acknowledge an infallible judge, which none of us are, thus revealing a singular true GOD. The only other option would be to perceive justice as impossible entirely.
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The death penalty evolves from human sacrifice; that's why crimes have a 'victim.' People get pissed when, for example, you steal their shit; justice only makes the violence which is a natural reaction procedural. The whole point of ethnicities, and therefore also gods, is to legitimize law as an already-existing practice. Where gods start to defend criminal behavior and become the concierge of the well-born and well-off, then the god and the civilization it represents are on their way out. This is why Zeus, etc are gone. If your god cannot provide justice, then what good is he? People lose their patience, and have their intelligence insulted and take the law into their own hands. Not my fault, but the fault of those who protected the culture's little babies and flouted the expectations of those they were supposed to rule. So justice does become impossible. Whatever. It was a good run.
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It seems like you expect people to be perfect and when they aren't you label them as bad or discredit their good. Our justice system here on Earth can only be as good as the people, which unfortunately, are all flawed...which is why GOD must be the standard. The golden rule, an eye for an eye, judge not less ye be judged, do unto others etc...GOD doesn't defend criminal behavior, but I could see how someone might think that if they don't use GOD as the denominator. All things must be possible for you to have free will, since all things are possible, many lessons are learned. Duality isn't a prison but rather a window to your true self, good and bad can't exist without each other.
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Islamtards have proof of their God, Hesustards have their idea. Neither exist outside of a book.

Show me proof your God exists outside the book. Then prove to me he is of your religion.
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(1) When you see a framed painting in a museum, even if the painter is long dead, you know there was one, because of its clear intelligent design. Likewise if you are walking through the woods and come across an empty cabin. You know that it did not build itself or grow out of the ground. There was a builder.

How much more complex is our world, the universe? And how ordered!...That our greatest mathematicians are able to describe it in beautiful, logical, interrelated formulas.

Your DNA alone, as well as that of every living creature, is composed of an amazingly complex data language. Yet, you might illogically argue it was all an "accident which built itself".

(2) Even the greatest SCHOLARLY atheists of all time will not dare argue that Jesus was a real, historical figure. There is far too much then-contempory evidence, even from His enemies, to assert this.

Thus, the very real, historical Jesus was either a liar, crazy, or He was who He said He was/is.

If you refuse to look at the Bible, then you will remain in the dark as to who He is, and when He is coming back. However, even without the Bible we can see that His followers were very willing to give up their lives in horrific ways, rather than denounce him as the Messiah. There is plenty of documentation about Nero, et alia. Meanwhile, the pharisees of Jesus' time wrote in the Talmud, acknowledging Jesus' myriad of miracles, but wrote that they had Him crucified for being a sorcerer.

3) The exists no astronomer, no astrophysicist, no cosmologist, who will tell you that the universe did not have a distinct beginning,where time, space, and matter came into simultaneous existence.

The biggest atheists of these scientists will concede that something OUTSIDE time and space had to have been the ultimate cause of the creation of our universe. They will also tell you that they have no evidence for what that "something" may be, only baseless theories. But they are certain it can't possibly be the God og the bible, who literally spoke and interacted with humankind throughout the ages of recorded history.

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OP studied human history for the first time he's now a believer
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Look at the Russian fox studies where they were bred for aggression or docility. That is a perfect example of how I view good and EVIL. From what I see the rabbis constructed 'heters' for seemingly every ruthless and violent person in Israel and made them their pet 'rasha,' allowing them to accrue enormous amounts of power and wealth over a terrified and ignorant populace. There are better people out there, which must in turn be evidence of better GODS. Better still, the absence of any god means that I don't have to care when people who as a group act maliciously and willfully ignorant get theirs at the hands of people who have no goodwill toward them to exploit and are as violent as they. Justice comes in a procedural way, or it comes in a chaotic way that touches everyone who prevented its milder appearance. I'm cool either way.
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You contradict yourself, if justice is a static idea not to be disputed then there is no way multiple sources of morality exist. If there were multiple GODS, there would be multiple sources of morality and justice would be merely an opinion that you acknowledge others do not share with you. The idea that you see someone's opinion of justice as a standard of their morality suggests that you acknowledge an infallible judge, which none of us are, thus revealing a singular true GOD. The only other option would be to perceive justice as impossible entirely.
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The death penalty evolves from human sacrifice; that's why crimes have a 'victim.' People get pissed when, for example, you steal their shit; justice only makes the violence which is a natural reaction procedural. The whole point of ethnicities, and therefore also gods, is to legitimize law as an already-existing practice. Where gods start to defend criminal behavior and become the concierge of the well-born and well-off, then the god and the civilization it represents are on their way out. This is why Zeus, etc are gone. If your god cannot provide justice, then what good is he? People lose their patience, and have their intelligence insulted and take the law into their own hands. Not my fault, but the fault of those who protected the culture's little babies and flouted the expectations of those they were supposed to rule. So justice does become impossible. Whatever. It was a good run.
 Quoting: Mr. Robot


It seems like you expect people to be perfect and when they aren't you label them as bad or discredit their good. Our justice system here on Earth can only be as good as the people, which unfortunately, are all flawed...which is why GOD must be the standard. The golden rule, an eye for an eye, judge not less ye be judged, do unto others etc...GOD doesn't defend criminal behavior, but I could see how someone might think that if they don't use GOD as the denominator. All things must be possible for you to have free will, since all things are possible, many lessons are learned. Duality isn't a prison but rather a window to your true self, good and bad can't exist without each other.
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Okay, I'll ask you the same thing I asked another apologist: when Amnon raped Dinah, did what he did harm her body, her ego, or her soul? And when David failed to do what was right (remember: he was 'relieved' when Amnon got killed) how was Absalom the bad guy for suggesting David's reign had run its course?
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You contradict yourself, if justice is a static idea not to be disputed then there is no way multiple sources of morality exist. If there were multiple GODS, there would be multiple sources of morality and justice would be merely an opinion that you acknowledge others do not share with you. The idea that you see someone's opinion of justice as a standard of their morality suggests that you acknowledge an infallible judge, which none of us are, thus revealing a singular true GOD. The only other option would be to perceive justice as impossible entirely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72091880


The death penalty evolves from human sacrifice; that's why crimes have a 'victim.' People get pissed when, for example, you steal their shit; justice only makes the violence which is a natural reaction procedural. The whole point of ethnicities, and therefore also gods, is to legitimize law as an already-existing practice. Where gods start to defend criminal behavior and become the concierge of the well-born and well-off, then the god and the civilization it represents are on their way out. This is why Zeus, etc are gone. If your god cannot provide justice, then what good is he? People lose their patience, and have their intelligence insulted and take the law into their own hands. Not my fault, but the fault of those who protected the culture's little babies and flouted the expectations of those they were supposed to rule. So justice does become impossible. Whatever. It was a good run.
 Quoting: Mr. Robot


It seems like you expect people to be perfect and when they aren't you label them as bad or discredit their good. Our justice system here on Earth can only be as good as the people, which unfortunately, are all flawed...which is why GOD must be the standard. The golden rule, an eye for an eye, judge not less ye be judged, do unto others etc...GOD doesn't defend criminal behavior, but I could see how someone might think that if they don't use GOD as the denominator. All things must be possible for you to have free will, since all things are possible, many lessons are learned. Duality isn't a prison but rather a window to your true self, good and bad can't exist without each other.
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Okay, I'll ask you the same thing I asked another apologist: when Amnon raped Dinah, did what he did harm her body, her ego, or her soul? And when David failed to do what was right (remember: he was 'relieved' when Amnon got killed) how was Absalom the bad guy for suggesting David's reign had run its course?
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Not that you asked me, but:

1. Presumably it could have harmed all three. We aren't told in the Torah and I can't remember is there is a Mishnah on this.

2. Because there is a Commandment that you aren't to question the king because the king was chosen by G-d, thus you are questioning G-d.
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The death penalty evolves from human sacrifice; that's why crimes have a 'victim.' People get pissed when, for example, you steal their shit; justice only makes the violence which is a natural reaction procedural. The whole point of ethnicities, and therefore also gods, is to legitimize law as an already-existing practice. Where gods start to defend criminal behavior and become the concierge of the well-born and well-off, then the god and the civilization it represents are on their way out. This is why Zeus, etc are gone. If your god cannot provide justice, then what good is he? People lose their patience, and have their intelligence insulted and take the law into their own hands. Not my fault, but the fault of those who protected the culture's little babies and flouted the expectations of those they were supposed to rule. So justice does become impossible. Whatever. It was a good run.
 Quoting: Mr. Robot


It seems like you expect people to be perfect and when they aren't you label them as bad or discredit their good. Our justice system here on Earth can only be as good as the people, which unfortunately, are all flawed...which is why GOD must be the standard. The golden rule, an eye for an eye, judge not less ye be judged, do unto others etc...GOD doesn't defend criminal behavior, but I could see how someone might think that if they don't use GOD as the denominator. All things must be possible for you to have free will, since all things are possible, many lessons are learned. Duality isn't a prison but rather a window to your true self, good and bad can't exist without each other.
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Okay, I'll ask you the same thing I asked another apologist: when Amnon raped Dinah, did what he did harm her body, her ego, or her soul? And when David failed to do what was right (remember: he was 'relieved' when Amnon got killed) how was Absalom the bad guy for suggesting David's reign had run its course?
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Not that you asked me, but:

1. Presumably it could have harmed all three. We aren't told in the Torah and I can't remember is there is a Mishnah on this.

2. Because there is a Commandment that you aren't to question the king because the king was chosen by G-d, thus you are questioning G-d.
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So this and a thousand other signs in the Torah, in the community it creates, and in all times and places where it has existed, says: God rejoices in the rape of the innocent. Good to know.
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It seems like you expect people to be perfect and when they aren't you label them as bad or discredit their good. Our justice system here on Earth can only be as good as the people, which unfortunately, are all flawed...which is why GOD must be the standard. The golden rule, an eye for an eye, judge not less ye be judged, do unto others etc...GOD doesn't defend criminal behavior, but I could see how someone might think that if they don't use GOD as the denominator. All things must be possible for you to have free will, since all things are possible, many lessons are learned. Duality isn't a prison but rather a window to your true self, good and bad can't exist without each other.
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Okay, I'll ask you the same thing I asked another apologist: when Amnon raped Dinah, did what he did harm her body, her ego, or her soul? And when David failed to do what was right (remember: he was 'relieved' when Amnon got killed) how was Absalom the bad guy for suggesting David's reign had run its course?
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Not that you asked me, but:

1. Presumably it could have harmed all three. We aren't told in the Torah and I can't remember is there is a Mishnah on this.

2. Because there is a Commandment that you aren't to question the king because the king was chosen by G-d, thus you are questioning G-d.
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So this and a thousand other signs in the Torah, in the community it creates, and in all times and places where it has existed, says: God rejoices in the rape of the innocent. Good to know.
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G-d never says that and I never implied that that was said. Why must you twist everything? Is it just to maintain your hate?
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It seems like you expect people to be perfect and when they aren't you label them as bad or discredit their good. Our justice system here on Earth can only be as good as the people, which unfortunately, are all flawed...which is why GOD must be the standard. The golden rule, an eye for an eye, judge not less ye be judged, do unto others etc...GOD doesn't defend criminal behavior, but I could see how someone might think that if they don't use GOD as the denominator. All things must be possible for you to have free will, since all things are possible, many lessons are learned. Duality isn't a prison but rather a window to your true self, good and bad can't exist without each other.
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Okay, I'll ask you the same thing I asked another apologist: when Amnon raped Dinah, did what he did harm her body, her ego, or her soul? And when David failed to do what was right (remember: he was 'relieved' when Amnon got killed) how was Absalom the bad guy for suggesting David's reign had run its course?
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Not that you asked me, but:

1. Presumably it could have harmed all three. We aren't told in the Torah and I can't remember is there is a Mishnah on this.

2. Because there is a Commandment that you aren't to question the king because the king was chosen by G-d, thus you are questioning G-d.
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So this and a thousand other signs in the Torah, in the community it creates, and in all times and places where it has existed, says: God rejoices in the rape of the innocent. Good to know.
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This is just rediculous, I guess this is you saying you're done here?
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Okay, I'll ask you the same thing I asked another apologist: when Amnon raped Dinah, did what he did harm her body, her ego, or her soul? And when David failed to do what was right (remember: he was 'relieved' when Amnon got killed) how was Absalom the bad guy for suggesting David's reign had run its course?
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Not that you asked me, but:

1. Presumably it could have harmed all three. We aren't told in the Torah and I can't remember is there is a Mishnah on this.

2. Because there is a Commandment that you aren't to question the king because the king was chosen by G-d, thus you are questioning G-d.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29605035


So this and a thousand other signs in the Torah, in the community it creates, and in all times and places where it has existed, says: God rejoices in the rape of the innocent. Good to know.
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G-d never says that and I never implied that that was said. Why must you twist everything? Is it just to maintain your hate?
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I must presume based on communal practice that it was one of the millions of things he whispered into Moses' ear.
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Okay, I'll ask you the same thing I asked another apologist: when Amnon raped Dinah, did what he did harm her body, her ego, or her soul? And when David failed to do what was right (remember: he was 'relieved' when Amnon got killed) how was Absalom the bad guy for suggesting David's reign had run its course?
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Not that you asked me, but:

1. Presumably it could have harmed all three. We aren't told in the Torah and I can't remember is there is a Mishnah on this.

2. Because there is a Commandment that you aren't to question the king because the king was chosen by G-d, thus you are questioning G-d.
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So this and a thousand other signs in the Torah, in the community it creates, and in all times and places where it has existed, says: God rejoices in the rape of the innocent. Good to know.
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This is just rediculous, I guess this is you saying you're done here?
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That's the one thing I'm not allowed to say.
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Not that you asked me, but:

1. Presumably it could have harmed all three. We aren't told in the Torah and I can't remember is there is a Mishnah on this.

2. Because there is a Commandment that you aren't to question the king because the king was chosen by G-d, thus you are questioning G-d.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29605035


So this and a thousand other signs in the Torah, in the community it creates, and in all times and places where it has existed, says: God rejoices in the rape of the innocent. Good to know.
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G-d never says that and I never implied that that was said. Why must you twist everything? Is it just to maintain your hate?
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I must presume based on communal practice that it was one of the millions of things he whispered into Moses' ear.
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You really don't want to play that game and it's probably why you are so confused and filled with that. Am I allowed to presume things about you? Because I can play that game and you won't like what I'm going to make up about you just so I can fain hate.
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The WORD is the software of God.
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So this and a thousand other signs in the Torah, in the community it creates, and in all times and places where it has existed, says: God rejoices in the rape of the innocent. Good to know.
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G-d never says that and I never implied that that was said. Why must you twist everything? Is it just to maintain your hate?
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I must presume based on communal practice that it was one of the millions of things he whispered into Moses' ear.
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You really don't want to play that game and it's probably why you are so confused and filled with that. Am I allowed to presume things about you? Because I can play that game and you won't like what I'm going to make up about you just so I can fain hate.
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Someone already beat you there, and to me you are the Borg, and dishonest as well, so I said it.
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G-d never says that and I never implied that that was said. Why must you twist everything? Is it just to maintain your hate?
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I must presume based on communal practice that it was one of the millions of things he whispered into Moses' ear.
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You really don't want to play that game and it's probably why you are so confused and filled with that. Am I allowed to presume things about you? Because I can play that game and you won't like what I'm going to make up about you just so I can fain hate.
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Someone already beat you there, and to me you are the Borg, and dishonest as well, so I said it.
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I'd love to meet you in person, bet you are a woot at parties!





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