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This is the first study I've seen on a group of Wuhan patients and the results are dumbfounding. In addition to the data presented below, the average age in the study was 57, so it appears that Kung Flu prefers healthy, developed lungs. I've only read a few pages of this, so everybody dig in and see if you come to the same conclusions.

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smokers are not affected: Asthma or other allergic diseases was not reported by any of the patients. Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD, 1.4%) and current smokers (1.4%) were rare.
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Just when I give up on the Asians-only conspiracy, here comes another monkey wrench.

Please don't any of you smokers out there think you're out of the woods, though. There were smokers in the sample, albeit a statistically very small number relative to the percentage of smokers in China.

I wonder what the percentage of vapers there were in the study and if that has the same effect. My wife and I were both 15-year smokers who switched about 4 years ago.

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I been saying this forever, besides the shit they put in it thats no good. It will kill colds and flu. Smoke up the good stuff with out the chemicals.
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Clinical characteristics of 140 patients infected by SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China
pg.11
only 9(6.4%) patients had a history of smoking, and 7 of them were past smokers.
The relationship between smoking and coronavirus infection is not clear, and the exact underlying causes of the lower incidence of COVID-19 in current smokers is still unknown.
[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

Very few people know that most vaccines are made by using tobacco!


Tobacco--a highly efficient producer of vaccines
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I been saying this forever, besides the shit they put in it thats no good. It will kill colds and flu. Smoke up the good stuff with out the chemicals.
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Well, it never did me any good with regular colds. Every time I got a cold, before I switched to vaping, I would get bronchitis and it would last a month. I smoked American Spirits, incidentally, not the trash cigarettes.
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I've read the opposite, including our favorite youtube doctor. So, I would take your conclusions from one line of a study with a pinch of salt.
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This is the first study I've seen on a group of Wuhan patients and the results are dumbfounding. In addition to the data presented below, the average age in the study was 57, so it appears that Kung Flu prefers healthy, developed lungs. I've only read a few pages of this, so everybody dig in and see if you come to the same conclusions.

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

smokers are not affected: Asthma or other allergic diseases was not reported by any of the patients. Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD, 1.4%) and current smokers (1.4%) were rare.
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There was an article several years ago that smoking kills the flu virus.

Where you been...
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Well Fuck.. Now they will use this to drive up the price even more on a pack of butts.
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Clinical characteristics of 140 patients infected by SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China
pg.11
only 9(6.4%) patients had a history of smoking, and 7 of them were past smokers.
The relationship between smoking and coronavirus infection is not clear, and the exact underlying causes of the lower incidence of COVID-19 in current smokers is still unknown.
[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

Very few people know that most vaccines are made by using tobacco!


Tobacco--a highly efficient producer of vaccines
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
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Thread: CDC head forced to resin caught buying shares in vaccines and tobacco

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Clinical characteristics of 140 patients infected by SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China
pg.11
only 9(6.4%) patients had a history of smoking, and 7 of them were past smokers.
The relationship between smoking and coronavirus infection is not clear, and the exact underlying causes of the lower incidence of COVID-19 in current smokers is still unknown.
[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

Very few people know that most vaccines are made by using tobacco!


Tobacco--a highly efficient producer of vaccines
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
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That means only 2 of 140 patients, or 1.43%, were smokers!
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But is it because tobacco is a fast growing plant or other special properties?

They give the plant coronavirus virus and then sees if it develops antibodies. I didn't know they could give plants viruses, is that really a good idea in the long run?

I just quit smoking so that I can get back surgery next month, so I'd really like to know if that's a mistake right now.
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Clinical characteristics of 140 patients infected by SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China
pg.11
only 9(6.4%) patients had a history of smoking, and 7 of them were past smokers.
The relationship between smoking and coronavirus infection is not clear, and the exact underlying causes of the lower incidence of COVID-19 in current smokers is still unknown.
[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

Very few people know that most vaccines are made by using tobacco!


Tobacco--a highly efficient producer of vaccines
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
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That means only 2 of 140 patients, or 1.43%, were smokers!

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And something like 30% of China is.
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Chycoms has huge vested interest in smoking products and accessories.
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Yep, but many of them are switching to vapping, which is a bad idea!
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I see a few possible explanations there. Please, take with a grain of salt.

First, smoker's lung/lung cells are "cleared" more often due to harmful effect of smoking. This is why long-time smokers have morning coughs and why some life-long smokers eventually get nasty diseases. But it may be beneficial short-term with nCoV.

Second, smoking/nicotine changes something in the lungs at biochemical level. I remember talks that smoking constricts smaller blood vessels. This alone may be enough for the immune system to fight the virus faster.

Third, and I think the most probable one. Our bodies are trained to the stress and bad stuff in our lungs, so... virus. what virus? We did not even notice any virus and become asymptomatic/mild cases.
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Clinical characteristics of 140 patients infected by SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China
pg.11
only 9(6.4%) patients had a history of smoking, and 7 of them were past smokers.
The relationship between smoking and coronavirus infection is not clear, and the exact underlying causes of the lower incidence of COVID-19 in current smokers is still unknown.
[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

Very few people know that most vaccines are made by using tobacco!


Tobacco--a highly efficient producer of vaccines
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
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That means only 2 of 140 patients, or 1.43%, were smokers!

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And something like 30% of China is.
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Which means 70% of Chinese make up 98.57% of CoViD cases, and the other 30% make up 1.43%. If this study used a representative sample, and by their language that indicates they are baffled by that data point, it appears to be, this sounds like a real thing.
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Chycoms has huge vested interest in smoking products and accessories.
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Yep, but many of them are switching to vapping, which is a bad idea!
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I was wondering about that earlier. What makes you think it's a bad idea? I would think it would be the nicotine, as the active ingredient in cigarette smoking, that would be the variable here, not the other chemicals.
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I see a few possible explanations there. Please, take with a grain of salt.

First, smoker's lung/lung cells are "cleared" more often due to harmful effect of smoking. This is why long-time smokers have morning coughs and why some life-long smokers eventually get nasty diseases. But it may be beneficial short-term with nCoV.

Second, smoking/nicotine changes something in the lungs at biochemical level. I remember talks that smoking constricts smaller blood vessels. This alone may be enough for the immune system to fight the virus faster.

Third, and I think the most probable one. Our bodies are trained to the stress and bad stuff in our lungs, so... virus. what virus? We did not even notice any virus and become asymptomatic/mild cases.
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Thanks. Good thoughts.
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The main problem is that you can't smoke while wearing a mask and you get arrested if you don't wear a mask!
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The main problem is that you can't smoke while wearing a mask and you get arrested if you don't wear a mask!
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chuckle

A conundrum, to be sure. Maybe the theory is flawed because the smokers all just stayed indoors in order to continue smoking when the outbreak started.
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Well Fuck.. Now they will use this to drive up the price even more on a pack of butts.
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I don't know how anyone can afford to smoke anymore. One pack of smokes cost as much as an entire carton used to. When I started smoking in high school, a pack of smokes was 25 cents and a carton was $3.
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This is the first study I've seen on a group of Wuhan patients and the results are dumbfounding. In addition to the data presented below, the average age in the study was 57, so it appears that Kung Flu prefers healthy, developed lungs. I've only read a few pages of this, so everybody dig in and see if you come to the same conclusions.

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

smokers are not affected: Asthma or other allergic diseases was not reported by any of the patients. Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD, 1.4%) and current smokers (1.4%) were rare.
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90% or higher of Asians Smoke.
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Nicotine stops a cytokine storm.

The nicotine molecules bind to the cytokine receptors and stop the cascading reaction.

Known for a long time but suppressed - it's why you see the guys smoking pipes in those woodcuts depicting them burying bodies from the great plague.

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Yep, but many of them are switching to vapping, which is a bad idea!
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I was wondering about that earlier. What makes you think it's a bad idea? I would think it would be the nicotine, as the active ingredient in cigarette smoking, that would be the variable here, not the other chemicals.
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My experience is that it's the mucus getting dried out (and the deposits from the smoke, all the junk any smoke produces) and heat, not the actual content of the smoke being absorbed: it gives you something to cough up, giving a clearing your lungs feeling, and also the heat expands air tubes, you know?
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Yep, but many of them are switching to vapping, which is a bad idea!
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I was wondering about that earlier. What makes you think it's a bad idea? I would think it would be the nicotine, as the active ingredient in cigarette smoking, that would be the variable here, not the other chemicals.
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Real tobacco comes from a plant. It's all the chemical crap businesses dump off at the tobacco companies that go into the making of cigarettes. (Search that out and you will see what I mean.)

Native Americans smoked natural tobacco for 3,000 years and never got lung cancer. What they smoked was pure tobacco from the plant.
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Yep, but many of them are switching to vapping, which is a bad idea!
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I was wondering about that earlier. What makes you think it's a bad idea? I would think it would be the nicotine, as the active ingredient in cigarette smoking, that would be the variable here, not the other chemicals.
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My experience is that it's the mucus getting dried out (and the deposits from the smoke, all the junk any smoke produces) and heat, not the actual content of the smoke being absorbed: it gives you something to cough up, giving a clearing your lungs feeling, and also the heat expands air tubes, you know?
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Could be. 1dunno1
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Yep, but many of them are switching to vapping, which is a bad idea!
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I was wondering about that earlier. What makes you think it's a bad idea? I would think it would be the nicotine, as the active ingredient in cigarette smoking, that would be the variable here, not the other chemicals.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Real tobacco comes from a plant. It's all the chemical crap businesses dump off at the tobacco companies that go into the making of cigarettes. (Search that out and you will see what I mean.)

Native Americans smoked natural tobacco for 3,000 years and never got lung cancer. What they smoked was pure tobacco from the plant.
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I'm definitely familiar with that. When I smoked, at least the last few years, it was American Spirits, and the organic kind whenever I could find them. I definitely was a far superior smoke to the Camels that I smoked for the first ten years and now that I think about it, I don't think I got as sick as I did when I smoked Camels, although when I get sick now, as a vaper, it's significantly milder and shorter in duration than even when I smoked American Spirits.

I would really like to see the statistics on vapers within this study. Wonder if there were ANY of them. They mentioned smokers and ex-smokers, after all, so why no mention of vapers? I'm sure China has plenty of them. After all, China is where ALL the vape equipment is made.

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This is the first study I've seen on a group of Wuhan patients and the results are dumbfounding. In addition to the data presented below, the average age in the study was 57, so it appears that Kung Flu prefers healthy, developed lungs. I've only read a few pages of this, so everybody dig in and see if you come to the same conclusions.

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com (secure)]

smokers are not affected: Asthma or other allergic diseases was not reported by any of the patients. Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD, 1.4%) and current smokers (1.4%) were rare.
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Ancient asian medicine posits that a stranger poison can cure poison so its not entirely out of the realm of possibility, sort of like chemo it only works by killing the killer faster than the patient can die, you obly survive it doesnt mean you cure well
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I still think we need to check/wait for the larger sample study. There was another one on 40K infected from China, but I don't remember if it had smoker/non-smoker statistics.
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I still think we need to check/wait for the larger sample study. There was another one on 40K infected from China, but I don't remember if it had smoker/non-smoker statistics.
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I agree. This study was done on too small a sample, but it's very interesting. I've read, for years, that smokers did better with Spanish Flu because it suppressed the cytokine storm response, so I'm predisposed to think there's something there, but I would definitely like to see a much larger study done.
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