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The Totally, Utterly Irrefutable Case Against Socialism

July 11th, 2019

COMMENTARY BY
Lee Edwards, Ph.D.
Distinguished Fellow in Conservative Thought

Lee Edwards is a leading historian of American conservatism and the author or editor of 25 books.


When a dozen of conservatism’s best minds take on Socialism and expose it for the utopian fraud it is, attention must be paid.

In a brief foreword to a special issue of National Review, Editor-in-Chief Richard Lowry admitted that many conservatives thought socialism in America had been “vanquished” after the collapse of Soviet Communism 30 years ago. But as T. S. Eliot insisted, “There is no such thing as a Lost Cause because there is no such thing as a Gained Cause.”

The experts examine socialism in its many guises, beginning with Charles Cooke’s blunt assessment that socialism is not and never can be “democratic.”

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Cooke, the editor of NationalReview.com, writes that voters should not be fooled by the left’s attempt at rebranding.

“There is no sense in which socialism can be made compatible with democracy as it is understood in the West.” At worst, says Cooke, “socialism eats democracy, and is swiftly transmuted into tyranny.” At best, socialism “stamps out individual agency, places civil society into a straitjacket of uniform size, and turns representative government into a chimera.”

Cooke’s description of socialism as tyrannical was confirmed by Ugo Okere, a socialist candidate for the Chicago City Council, who explained that “democratic socialism, to me, is about democratic control of every single facet of our life.”

That would mean, presumably, rewriting the first words of the Constitution to something like, “We the people of the United States in order to form a more democratically controlled Union … ”

What has Okere’s “democratic control” produced in the socialist “paradise” of Venezuela?

Ricardo Hausmann, the former chief economist of the Inter-American Development Bank, has written that “Venezuela’s economic catastrophe dwarfs any in the history of the U.S., Western Europe or the rest of Latin America.”

How catastrophic? Under Chavez-Maduro socialism, the child mortality rate has increased 140%. Ninety percent of Venezuelans now live in poverty. This year inflation will hit an unbelievable 10 million percent. (That is not a typographical error.) All this in a country with the world’s largest proven oil reserves—far greater than those of the United States.

Cooke concludes his essay with lessons learned from 6,000 years of civilization, including “never relinquish the right to free speech, the right to free conscience, the right to freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, or the right to a jury trial.”

Whatever you do, he warns, don’t be seduced by socialists bearing promises. But if you are seduced, “get out before it’s too late. You have nothing to lose but your chains.”

The distinguished author Joshua Muravchik, a fellow at the World Affairs Institute, takes a historical approach to the myths of socialism.

He writes that the initiator of Soviet terror, tyranny, and violence was its founding father, Vladimir Lenin, who exhorted his followers to exert “merciless mass terror against kulaks, priests, and White Guards; persons of doubtful standing should be locked up in concentration camps” (i.e., the Gulag).

To what end? Not just to accumulate political power, but in pursuit of a sacred mission—a socialist world.

When the farmers resisted collectivization, Lenin’s successor, Josef Stalin, engineered a famine in which at least 5 million and perhaps as many 10 million starved to death—the Holodomor.

If Stalin was “a tyrant of stupefying brutality,” writes Muravchik, he was outdone by Communist rulers Mao Zedong, whose Cultural Revolution resulted in at least one million deaths, and Pol Pot, who wiped out one-fourth of Cambodia’s population in his attempt to emulate Mao.

Why did they kill so many? Muravchik provides the answer: “It was their devotion to an ideal [socialism] that prompted them to slaughter millions of unresisting innocents.”

Economist Jeffrey Tucker begins with the damning comment: “Among the most conspicuous of socialism’s failings is its capacity to generate vast shortages of things essential for life.”

In Maoist China, he points out, there was no meat and no fat in which to cook anything. In Bolshevik Russia, there was never enough housing or food, not even loaves of bread.

What happened when Nikita Khrushchev took over as Soviet leader following Stalin’s death in 1953? He and his colleagues tried desperately to “cobble together” a system of planning that made sense without relying on “bourgeois” market forces.

They failed miserably. In Tucker’s words, Khrushchev “spent his last years as a discredited, dejected, and sad old man on a park bench.”

If you love deprivation, constriction, and general limits on material aspirations, says Tucker, plus a “tyrannical ruling class that oppresses everyone else, you will love what socialism can and does achieve.” Indeed, he concludes, “misery seems to be its only contribution to economic history.”

Socialists, says National Review correspondent Kevin Williamson, are guilty of a fatal conceit: They think they can develop a system so powerful that it can consider every variable in society and propose scientific answers “about how many acres of potatoes to plant, and when and where to plant them.”

But free-market economists Ludwig von Mises and F. A. Hayek (a Nobel Laureate) showed that “complete knowledge was not attainable on social, economic, or political questions.”

Therefore, says Williamson, the more intelligent and non-ideological governments have largely given up on central planning.

Even the Nordic social democracies, so dear to the self-styled socialists of the United States, “mostly have been divesting themselves of state enterprises.”

Reasonably successful state-run enterprises, such as the Swiss railroads, “have been converted into stock corporations or reformed in other market-oriented ways.”

The subtitle of Hayek’s last work “The Fatal Conceit” is “The Errors of Socialism.” Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., have failed to learn from those errors, says Williamson, asserting that “you cannot call yourself the party of science and the party of socialism too. You have to choose one or the other.”

Socialists flaunt their compassion, argues former National Review Editor-in-Chief John O’Sullivan, because it gives them an excuse to impose their will on others “unlawfully and even murderously.”

Modern socialists tend to disapprove of placing conditions on aid to the poor—“workfare”—viewing the receipt of aid as “an unqualified right.”

That sounds generous, says O’Sullivan, but it traps the poor “in long term dependency” and undermines what the scholar Shirley Letwin calls the “vigorous virtues” among their neighbors.

Before a single socialist regime had established itself, says O’Sullivan, 19th-century writers like Fyodor Dostoevsky, W. H. Matlock, and Rudyard Kipling saw “the horrors that lay concealed within socialism’s humanitarian promise.” Their examination of country after country refutes the fraying excuse that socialism has never been tried.

In the later stages of Soviet Communism, for example, a woman would sell herself for a pair of jeans; in Venezuela today, “people exchange family heirlooms for a little food.”

Although the French welfare state is often offered as a shining example of progressivism, Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry, a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, declares you must look at “actual France, not the fantasy France of progressive propaganda.”

He challenges the French elite who believe they have the right “to order society for the benefit of everyone.”

Given the results of their leadership—low growth, mass unemployment, social strife, and a general mood of pessimism—Gobry suggests that “they might want to rethink their idea of progress.”

BT (Before Thatcher), the Great Britain of the 1970s was generally described as “the sick man of Europe,” due to its prolonged experiments with statism and the pervasive stagnation they produced.

In 1960, according to historian Andrew Stuttaford, the U.K. boasted Europe’s most productive economy, but that was before the Labour Party came to power and nationalized almost every industry in sight.

The mid-1970s were hard on most Western economies, but the U.K. “appeared to be in a hell of its own,” says Stuttaford. Inflation shot up 300%. Gross domestic product fell, unemployment rose, the pound crumbled, industry buckled, “and some of Britain’s best and brightest headed for the exit.”

The winter of 1978 was characterized by grotesque images—the dead unburied, the sick untreated, the trash piling up in the streets.

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socialism is not Communism

many of our allies have socialist systems

this is just more fear mongering from the radical right
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socialism is not Communism

many of our allies have socialist systems

this is just more fear mongering from the radical right
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I guess Marxists don't even bother to read Marx anymore. Socialism is the means by which Communism (and actual Fascism) is achieved. It's nothing more than a stepping stone.
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socialism is not Communism

many of our allies have socialist systems

this is just more fear mongering from the radical right
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Said Hitler.

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socialism is not Communism

many of our allies have socialist systems

this is just more fear mongering from the radical right
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fucking sheep

Socialist systems fail because ALL decisions are made by the few almighty leaders. It's not possible for all decisions to be made, while maintaining efficiently and innovation

History, study it...it repeats itself
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Socialism 101

1) Financial system needs to be in order (not check)
2) Bottom line needs to be in the green - (not check) Our dollar bill is worth like -$137 dollars due to all the underground bases the past 6 admins built. Also all the skimming once they realized Americans weren't doing jack about it.
3) Fiscal policy needs to be tight - (not check)
4) Treasury needs to be 100% trustworth - (not check)
5) Currency cannot be counterfeit / replicated by other nations - (not check)

Conclusion, it will never work for the good. Only work to enslave the masses.
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socialism is not Communism

many of our allies have socialist systems

this is just more fear mongering from the radical right
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^Biggest tard today!^
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Bern Baby Bern!
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Socialism is a nightmare that is very hard to wake up from, short of being bombed into the stone age.

Corporatism is just as bad, leading to corporate tyranny.

And the government at the moment is an actual corporation and a tyrant.

You all know what the banker said about not caring about the government as long as he controlled the banks.

The banks and money and property has to be overthrown without introducing socialism.

I go the banker one better:

I don't care who controls the government or the banks as long as I enforce the law. (Bankers would be hanging for counterfeiting and governments would be hanging beside them for colluding and criminal conspiracy with banks. Media, education, science, and medicine would be hanging right beside them as co conspirators, or criminally irresponsible frauds, who failed to stop them for generations.

There would be millions of executions.

No way I could get elected dog catcher.
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socialism is not Communism

many of our allies have socialist systems

this is just more fear mongering from the radical right
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ever seen Bernie raise his fist, guess what the fist
signals? communism!

I experienced life under communism, trust me, you
do not want to experience it. anyone playing with the
idea to vote for it, is totally out of their little
brian!

communism, no bananas, no butter, no nail polish,
so selection buying shoes, you buy what you get, no
selection which cut of meat. forgot, no morning
coffee, no right to slaughter your goat without
approval from those watching over you. absolutely
no free speech. and make sure never to trust anyone,
you might quietly disappear.

there should be other time witnesses besides me,
talk to them before you make the mistake of your life.
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I simply can't understand the older folks in Nevada ...I'm talking 65 and over who voted for Socialism They KNOW better
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You can write a billion articles trying to equate Bernie Sanders with Venezuela or communism - but fact is, Sanders policies are more in line with Norway and Denmark or even your own FDR. Oh and the social democracies of Northern Europe PWN the US on the democracy index, as well as press freedom, health, education, happiness and prosperity indexes. Getting your country to the top of those indexes would truly MAGA


Nobody is gonna stop you making money, they're just going to make you pay your taxes and then use those taxes on the welfare of citizens rather than big corporations and bombs. Why is that so terrifying to you?
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socialism is not Communism

many of our allies have socialist systems

this is just more fear mongering from the radical right
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Socialism is the first STEP to communism.
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socialism is not Communism

many of our allies have socialist systems

this is just more fear mongering from the radical right
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Said Hitler.

pick
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Countries that have social programs to take care of their citizens does not make them socialist states. Not by a long shot.

Socialism/communism states have no social programs because they don't care about their citizens except to use them as slaves.
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You are forgetting one thing
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I dont' know any bernie fans, fortunately.
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You can write a billion articles trying to equate Bernie Sanders with Venezuela or communism - but fact is, Sanders policies are more in line with Norway and Denmark or even your own FDR. Oh and the social democracies of Northern Europe PWN the US on the democracy index, as well as press freedom, health, education, happiness and prosperity indexes. Getting your country to the top of those indexes would truly MAGA

Bernie's programs would not be what he says they will be. Bernie is a true-blue communist hiding behind socialism as a way to get into power. Once there, everything changes.


Nobody is gonna stop you making money, they're just going to make you pay your taxes and then use those taxes on the welfare of citizens rather than big corporations and bombs. Why is that so terrifying to you?

Social programs to help the poor or the lame are a sign that a country cares for its citizens. Social programs are different than socialist states, where no one has any money and what money they do have goes for food, if there's any left in the stores.

Venezuela, before its fall, had social programs for its citizens. It was a nice place to live according to some. Now, though, food is scarce, no one has any money, and the country has quickly gone to hell in a hand basket. From socialism to communism in one fell swoop.

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"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change"
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You can write a billion articles trying to equate Bernie Sanders with Venezuela or communism - but fact is, Sanders policies are more in line with Norway and Denmark or even your own FDR. Oh and the social democracies of Northern Europe PWN the US on the democracy index, as well as press freedom, health, education, happiness and prosperity indexes. Getting your country to the top of those indexes would truly MAGA


Nobody is gonna stop you making money, they're just going to make you pay your taxes and then use those taxes on the welfare of citizens rather than big corporations and bombs. Why is that so terrifying to you?
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Making money doesn't matter. Production (of things) matters. If a person doesn't get anything for producing, say anything over $200K worth of things a year, because the socialist government takes it at that level, they stop working (producing). If the bottom rung Joe Schlub gets free UBI or welfare or whatever for not working (producing), why work?
Less things of value get made. Everyone is poorer. If you want to attack poverty or raise standards of living, concentrate on production.
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Sanders 2020 rockon
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Democratic Socialism is not Socialism

Bernie 2020
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socialism sucks
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In a brief foreword to a special issue of National Review, Editor-in-Chief Richard Lowry admitted that many conservatives thought socialism in America had been “vanquished” after the collapse of Soviet Communism 30 years ago.
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That's as naive and shortsighted to assume that as it is to believe few people purposefully avoid discussing the subject of religion and politics at family Thanksgiving dinners or other social events.

The lack of a loud, long public dialogue about the true, dark nature of liberal/leftwing biases is why forms of liberalism/socialism/progressivism/Communism lurk below the surface like a hidden case of the Covid-19 Virus.


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Wait til after he's nominated. We want them voting Sanders in the primaries.
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Democratic Socialism is not Socialism

Bernie 2020
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And Joseph Stalin cared about his people, Mao Tse-tung wanted to right the wrongs of the past, and Fidel Castro provided free healthcare.

Liberalism/leftism is huggy, snuggy.

By the way, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.

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Socialism 101

1) Financial system needs to be in order (not check)
2) Bottom line needs to be in the green - (not check) Our dollar bill is worth like -$137 dollars due to all the underground bases the past 6 admins built. Also all the skimming once they realized Americans weren't doing jack about it.
3) Fiscal policy needs to be tight - (not check)
4) Treasury needs to be 100% trustworth - (not check)
5) Currency cannot be counterfeit / replicated by other nations - (not check)

Conclusion, it will never work for the good. Only work to enslave the masses.
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6. Borders have to be defended, immigration has to be controlled so people don't come for the freebies, or so that immigrants aren't eligible for freebies for a while.
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DON'T VAX, PROPHYLAX!

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History is replete with examples of communists making the same IMPOSSIBLE promises.
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socialism is not Communism

many of our allies have socialist systems

this is just more fear mongering from the radical right
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Said Hitler.

pick
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Countries that have social programs to take care of their citizens does not make them socialist states. Not by a long shot.

Socialism/communism states have no social programs because they don't care about their citizens except to use them as slaves.
 Quoting: Catnip


Do a bit of homework. All of your Euro buddies who have socialized services were able to do so because the good ole US of A has been the world police for them. They cannot defend themselves, because their entire budgets (funded by confiscatory taxes) are used up by their socialist programs. They are now on the verge of changing things, though, as DJT is demanding that those countries pay their fair share of NATO expenses and--oh--"immigrants." Venezuela, here they come!
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Marx was a practicing Satanist. he designed socialism to destroy God's kingdom on Earth. he says so in his own writings. Socialism is designed to fail and to fail miserably, leaving death and suffering in its wake. So when people say "socialism doesn't work", I disagree with them. It works exactly the way Marx intended.

If there is a Something which devours,
I'll leap within it, though I bring the
world to ruins –
The world which bulks between me
and the abyss
I will smash to pieces with my
enduring curses.

I'll throw my arms around its harsh reality,
Embracing me, the world will dumbly
pass away,
And then sink down to utter nothingness,
Perished, with no existence - that would be
really living.

- karl marx (poem)


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