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You can't refute what scripture says so you have to attack and

ATTEMPT to belittle the messenger.

Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study

Thread: Jesus and the Apostles - 400 Verses That Reference Either The Father or His SON - Son of God

O, Jesus wasn't speaking about eternally existing, he was just 3,000 years old. Thanks.

Yep. It's been going on for 500 years. I consider it an interesting view into the human psyche.

You should go to a Catholic mass sometime and see who the focus is on. Hint: not Mary.

The Catholic Church chose the books of the Bible. To acknowledge the authority of the Bible is to acknowledge the authority of the Catholic Church.

It says that Jesus established a Church. One Church, not 10,000.

O I read it. It talks mostly about bad things Catholics have done. All Catholics are imperfect sinners. The Catholic Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum of saints. I've heard every objection there is to Catholicism my friend. Catholic til I die.

"Firstborn of creation" Colossians 1

And this - John 17 shows us that Jesus was WITH the Father in the beginning.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

NONSENSE

The bishop of Rome had NO power over the others in 382. Power over other churches wasn't declared untill 445, when the emperor Valentinian III decreed that all western bishops must obey the pope.

The Catholic Church didn't "publish" the original Bible.

They merely "chose" various books - at the Council of Rome in 382 - that were already the most popular in the various churches - then translated them into Latin - and printed them for use by CLERGY ONLY.

---AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

---AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

---AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

About the only things that were "changed" were certain verses that support the "trinity", first mentioned by Theophilus of Antioch in the late 2nd century.

There's a reason why various old manuscripts of the various books of the New Testament, and even of the OT, have lasted 1900+ years.

Divine intervention.

Those manuscripts have lasted through...

-the Roman wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

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Roman leaders had NO control etc...of the network of Christian churches that had been in existence since the apostles had begun establishing them after Christ's ascension. Rome merely assimilated them.

And just because the RCC LISTS popes before then....

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....does NOT mean they were actually true Roman Catholic popes. Funny how pretty much ALL the supposed popes PRIOR to the proclamation of the Edict of Milan in 313 were killed.

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Killed by WHO?

Roman leaders.

Good for you...

No one ever made it to heaven by breaking the ten commandments

Yeah, the Church was persecuted harshly by Roman leaders for centuries. I don't get why you said nonsense but also admit that the Catholic Church chose the books of the Bible.

How about the very first verse of John. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Then a dozen verses later it says "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us."

Mary and Fatima become one.


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The Story of Hazrat Fatima (sa), daughter of the Holy Prophet
The Prophet of Islam had only one daughter named Fatima. Her mother Khadija had two other daughters from her two earlier marriages. When The Prophet married her, both daughters came with her mother to live in the house of the Prophet. Hazrat Fatima (sa) was born five years before Bethat when Muhammad (S) was about 35 years old and her mother Khadija was about 50 years old. She has many other titles. Zahra (Lady of Light) and Sayyidatun Nisa al Alamin (Leader of the women of the worlds). The Date of her birth was 20th Jamad al Akhar. After the death of her mother Khadija, she looked after her father the Prophet of Islam so devoutly that Muhammad (S)



17. She screened herself away from them, and We sent to her Our spirit, and He appeared to her as an immaculate human.
18. She said, “I take refuge from you in the Most Merciful, should you be righteous.”
19. He said, “I am only the messenger of your Lord, to give you the gift of a pure son.”
20. She said, “How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, and I was never unchaste?”
21. He said, “Thus said your Lord, `It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign for humanity, and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already decided.'“
22. So she carried him, and secluded herself with him in a remote place.
23. The labor-pains came upon her, by the trunk of a palm-tree. She said, “I wish I had died before this, and been completely forgotten.”
24. Whereupon he called her from beneath her: “Do not worry; your Lord has placed a stream beneath you.
25. And shake the trunk of the palm-tree towards you, and it will drop ripe dates by you.”
26. “So eat, and drink, and be consoled. And if you see any human, say, ‘I have vowed a fast to the Most Gracious, so I will not speak to any human today.'“
27. Then she came to her people, carrying him. They said, “O Mary, you have done something terrible.

Muslims join with Catholics in the NWO.

Pure boy isn’t the son of God.

I want you to defend Islam and the worship of Mary. Since Islam was started by Catholics.

Religion is the greatest evil on this earth.

Jesus is king

You are not a messenger, you are just a guy who knows Bible but not God. You are wolf in sheep clothing, there are many trolls like you on glp. Who pretends to be Christians. All you have is your links. You are pretender and there is nothing God like in you.

Look Buddy, you came on here saying you're the defender

of this faith. You have shown literally nothing to prove

this point. You're argumentative but have no counter

point.

All you have to do is go to the site and READ!!!!

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Trust me, you will be changed. I just went there to see

if it was worth it to post something for you, the thing

is Nicolas is very thorough on his information.

His details and history about the religion is so

vast. He is doing his best to be as comprehensive

about everything there is to know.

Don't be afraid. Don't fear the truth. Examine what

is out there and start here. Trust in God and read this

site. You can't really be that naive or have that much

cognitive dissonance to not at least explore it!

You've tried other thing's in life---have some courage.

All you can do is have your eyes opened. Nothing wrong

with that. If you don't agree then leave. But try it.

Knowledge brings sorrow, but it is better to know

than to be blind...leading the blind.

Good luck God Bless and be with you!!!

No it does not.

GOD the Father appears in the Bible many times as God the Father. Christ appears on Earth. The Hold Spirit is the Spirit of GOD, mentioned in Genesis among other places.

Your "opinion" of me means nothing.

And it doesn't change what scripture says.

You believe what the catholics first "packaged together" and was later modified by "reformists".

IF you TRULY believe in Father God and His Son you
NEED to accept what Jesus SAID.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

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John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,

that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

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Get yourself a 1611 King James "Red Letter" Bible.
You can find a free PDF easily online.

The KJV isn't a perfect translation but it works.

99% of scripture I post is from it.
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Want an example of easy it would be to create "false doctrine"? Look at this short topic I did.

Thread: False Doctrines - The Danger of "Single Verse Doctrinal Theology" - Biblical Discernment - Peter is Satan / the Serpent?

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So what? How many of those verses were altered?

And where is "God the Son" used? NOWHERE.

Matthew 28:18 is counter to 7 other verses in the NT concerning baptism "in Jesus' name".

The 3 "godhead" verses found in the KJV are either altered verses or mistranslated. Most newer translations don't use the word.

The KJV version of 1 John 5:7 is proven WRONG.

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Neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are equal to the Father.

The Father SENT Jesus.
The Father SENDS the Holy Spirit.

The first of the early church fathers to be recorded using the word "Trinity" was Theophilus of Antioch writing in the late 2nd century.

He defines the Trinity as God, His Word (Logos) and His Wisdom (Sophia) in the context of a discussion of the first three days of creation, following the early Christian practice of identifying the Holy Spirit as the Wisdom of God.

The first defense of the doctrine of the Trinity was in the early 3rd century by the early church father Tertullian. He explicitly defined the Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and defended his theology against "Praxeas",[47] though he noted that the majority of the believers in his day found issue with his doctrine.

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1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me".
2. Jesus NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" NOR "worship Holy Spirit".
3. Jesus NEVER said "pray to / worship the trinity".
4. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father.
5. The Holy Spirit NEVER says "I am __" and you shall ___. Only Jesus and the Father say such.

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A "theory" ?!?

The filioque was added to the Nicene Creed at the Council of Toledo in 589. It was basically the FULL beginning of the "God the Son" trinity.

Guess what Christian "teaching" is MOST despised by Muslims?

The trinity.

Ironic too that Islam was started just a few decades AFTER the Council of Trent made the filioque change.

What are the odds that Father God actually SENT Gabriel to Muhammed to keep the "Jesus is God" nonsense in check?

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What part of "the SON OF God" is it that you can't comprehend?

These are statements that Jesus made which show His subserviance and obedience to the Father.

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28 & John 10:29

14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17

Matthew 26:36-42

36 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Mark 14:32-39

32 And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray.
33 And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy;
34 And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
37 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?
38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.
39 And again he went away, and prayed, and spake the same words.

John 17

Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study


...the Father SENT me 47 verses in the 4 Gospels
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19 & John 8:28

5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.


...I give THANKS to the Father. Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21 & John 11:41-42

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11

41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.


...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.


...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:61-62

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 14

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Idolatry

"Islam was started by catholics"?

Speculation.

Here's a REAL "theory" for you?!?

The filioque was added to the Nicene Creed at the Council of Toledo in 589. It was basically the FULL beginning of the "God the Son" trinity.

Guess what Christian "teaching" is MOST despised by Muslims?

The trinity.

Ironic too that Islam was started just a few decades AFTER the Council of Trent made the filioque change.

What are the odds that Father God actually SENT Gabriel to Muhammed to keep the "Jesus is God" nonsense in check?

The only God in your trinity is the Father, nether the Son nor the Holy Spirit which are OF God.

Your faith like mine was put ni the wrong place.
When you learn the history of the Holy Roman Empire, you will embrace Christianity and walk away from the false prophet Catholicism.
My entire family is Irish Catholics.
I learned history.
The Holy Roman Empire.
Research for yourself.
I was an altar boy, Sunday school, the whole nine.
I'd work as a kid cleaning the school rooms and a small chapel we had there.

I'm not here to question your faith.
Peace.

You don't know me. I'm not Catholic because I was brought up Catholic. I got my degree from one of the most liberal colleges in America. I have studied Catholicism and the objections against it. I know the history of the Catholic Church and all other major Christian denominations. I believe that the Catholic Church has the objective truth on faith and morals as well as the power of the sacraments. I believe that it is the Church Christ established when he gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. There is an unbelievable amount of false information about the Catholic Church out there that ignorant people who don't actually know what the Catholic Church believes regurgitate without actually looking into it.

The word "catholic" was a generic term used to describe the churches that had been founded by the Apostles.

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Theodosius I, Emperor from 379 to 395, declared "Catholic" Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, declaring in the Edict of Thessalonica of 27 February 380

The Nicene Creed didn't exist until 380.

The congregation set up by Paul in Rome became a church with a bishop, just like dozens of others around the Mediterranean.

They had NO control etc...of the network of Christian churches that had been in existence since the apostles had begun establishing them after Christ's ascension.

Rome merely assimilated them, beginning with the Council of Nicea.

And ALL so-called early "popes" were basically nothing more than bishops, with no true authority over Christendom.

Only through subsequent Edicts did the church in Rome start claiming authority over the next several centuries.

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The Church gradually became a defining institution of the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313 proclaiming toleration for the Christian religion, and convoked the First Council of Nicaea in 325 whose Nicene Creed included belief in "one holy catholic and apostolic Church". Emperor Theodosius I made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica of 380.

Through such "Edicts" Rome mixed pagan statues, beliefs etc...into the "church", turning the apostolic churches into a hiararchy / tradition-laden religion, just like fuck off had become.

The RCC truly didn't start grasping hold of the Catholic Empire until 445, when the emperor Valentinian III decreed that all western bishops must obey the pope.

Notice that BOTH Theodosius AND Valentinian III were EMPERORS.

NOT popes. Rome mere "back-dated" their line of popes, all the way to Peter.

It's ironic that prior to Constantine's Edict of making Christianity "legal", Roman authorities spent the previous 290 years persecuting Christians.

Just because the RCC LISTS popes before then....

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....does NOT mean they were actually true Roman Catholic popes. Funny how pretty much ALL the supposed popes PRIOR to the proclamation of the Edict of Milan in 313 were killed.

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Killed by WHO?

Roman leaders.

In 385 CE the first Christians, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers.

The Waldensians LEFT the Rome area because of such.

This began a centuries-long assault on both pagans AND non-Catholics that lasted up until the 1700's.

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Can someone explain one of the miracles I posted here?

With their ideas and words and points of view?

Are there "Saints" from any other place than the catholic church?

Any miracles taking place uncorrupt bodies millions of people witnessing the holy spirit and visual pictures and videos to prove it?

Any other people like "calvin" lol who with their idea of what god was and was saying, ahem that happened in eden to, who have incorrupt bodies, stigmata, etc?

Any others that like Fatima, and our lady of good success in quieto etc absolutely perfectly prove with 100% accurate prophecy what is going to happen on both indidual and world scales?

Thought not?

Pray show me?

Pray I await?

I am interested?

Not the words, thoughts, but the fruits and proofs please?

The pictures?

Videos?

Millions of people?

Incorrupt bodies?

Proof of prophecy 100% spot on by those who say they are from heaven, appearing just like in bible stories?

I await?

Some proof links like I posted?

Would anyone like to refute them?

There is an 800 lb gorilla in all Christians lives, its the catholic church, and you sit in armchairs talking to other humans by the fire of the hearth that will lead to the eternal fire, talking waxing lyrical of scripture, just like our lord said to those who accused him, of not knowing the law when on a sunday he and his disciples took of the ears of corn from a field.

Let him who has ears hear.

I am waiting to hear of the refutation not of words but of the info I posted, the factual supernatural, medical just as in the bible you all soo like to think you know, talks about explaining what God did in warnings, angels, healings, raising the dead, prophets, exorcisms etc... as is the case when God in any way is dealing with things in the old testament and Jesus in the NT, and has and is continuing to be daily through the ctaholic church and only the Catholic church for 2000 years.

Thank You

GodBless