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Anonymous Coward User ID: 264344 ![]() 08/22/2007 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | some guy on ebay from china was tryin to tell me that the chains he was selling were 40g 14K gold and they were being sold for $1-$20. he is no longer an ebay member. I have gotten 2 real gold chains off ebay though and they are real. only 14K...would rather have 18 or 22-23K but I can't afford it right now. btw does anyone know what is in 14K gold besides gold? is there a usual recipe or does it differ. |
GOLDFINGER (OP) User ID: 9809 ![]() 08/22/2007 04:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sorry mate ...14 carat not good . you should buy bullion 9 four nines or five nines ) that is 99.99% pure gold , very heavy stuff , a kilo bar 32.151 oz is less than he size of a cigarette packet. GET SOME SOON it is going back to 1 to 1 ratio with the Dow for the third time in 100 years. Dow 1933 35 Gold $35 per oz Dow 1980 864 Gold 864 Dow target 5000 Gold Target $5000 coming to a planet near you |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 264344 ![]() 08/22/2007 04:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sorry mate ...14 carat not good . you should buy bullion 9 four nines or five nines ) that is 99.99% pure gold , very heavy stuff , a kilo bar 32.151 oz is less than he size of a cigarette packet. GET SOME SOON it is going back to 1 to 1 ratio with the Dow for the third time in 100 years. Quoting: GOLDFINGER 9809Dow 1933 35 Gold $35 per oz Dow 1980 864 Gold 864 Dow target 5000 Gold Target $5000 coming to a planet near you hey i dont have that kind of cash. i just buy gold chains so i can look like the rappers. they dotn even make 99.99% gold jewelry anyways. |
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GOLDFINGER (OP) User ID: 9809 ![]() 08/22/2007 04:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YES the USD is already under threat as the treserve currncy of the World , but gold which has been the ultimate form of wealth for thousands of years is still 10% in actual price than it was nearly 30 years ago on adjusted prices. It is incredibly undervalued ( especially now the derivative bubble is bursting ) Gold is extremely rare....their exists less than 1 oz per person on the planet. The financiers have kept the price artificially low by flooding the world with paper derivatives , tell your bank manager or finacial advisor you want to buy Gold , they will talk you into a a GOLD FUND or mining company ( that is probably hedged in advance at low prices ). Anything but actually buying and taking delivery of the physical item. In the late 1970s the Banks all sold their gold only to see prices soar in 1979 1980. The Central Banks worldwide have been selling their physical gold ( on advice of lobbyists ) for the last five years. But it is impossible to find out who the buyers have been .... My advise Take all your assets ( aprt from what you need to live on ) and buy and take delivery of the physical GOLD today if you can. Hide it somewhere very very safe and tell no one about it. IT MAY SAFE YOUR LIFE and will undoubtedly MAKE YOU WEALTHY |
thegov User ID: 229006 ![]() 08/22/2007 04:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gold is a commodity - not a form of currency. Investing in gold is no different than investing in platinum, orange juice, or uranium they are all commodities and there prices and value is based on supply and demand of the markets. Having reserves of physical gold does nothing for an individual and you most definitely stand to make more by investing your money in a mutual fund or bonds. Gold is currently at $667 - adjusting for inflation, this means that Gold is worth less today than it was in the 80's. Gold isn't some special commodity that only appreciates in value, the price depends on the demand. At the moment the demand for Gold is not as high as it used to be, plus production levels are up. In right now a pig, a cow, or a troy ounce of Platinum is worth more than a troy ounce of Gold. A wise investor would diversify their portfolio but never invest in something just because of a perceived notion of value. While precious metals might be commodities worth investing in given most of the appreciation over the past several years, it definitely doesn't help your portfolio to try to acquire physical specimen. And for those that think you should purchase physical specimen of gold for some coming catastrophe - what do you think will be more valuable in a post-apocalyptic world; A troy once of Gold or a Pig? |
GOLDFINGER User ID: 286539 ![]() 08/22/2007 05:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | HERE HE IS the first Broker trying to persuade you otherwise. dont listen to him YOU NEED SOME GOLD ..try and GET IT its not easy and not readily available WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU. you buy a pig mate....if thats what you believe... did you read the anecdote. A SHAREBROKER wanted to buy a lot of physical GOLD WHY ???? and she couldnt understand why she couldnt just buy it anad take it away... a bit different than buying a PIG .... |
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GOLDFINGER User ID: 286539 ![]() 08/22/2007 05:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Imagine a par five golf hole 500 metres long wide fairways and trees ...the complete layout is the entire GOLD MARKET ( paper , shares derivatives etc etc and physical gold )............the hole ( about 4 inches in diameter from memory ) represents the actual worldwide physical supply of GOLD ever mined...the rest is the paper market.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW VALUABLE THIS STUFF REALLY IS GET SOME TODAY |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 163242 ![]() 08/22/2007 05:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Imagine a par five golf hole 500 metres long wide fairways and trees ...the complete layout is the entire GOLD MARKET ( paper , shares derivatives etc etc and physical gold )............the hole ( about 4 inches in diameter from memory ) represents the Quoting: GOLDFINGER 286539actual worldwide physical supply of GOLD ever mined...the rest is the paper market.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW VALUABLE THIS STUFF REALLY IS GET SOME TODAY well I guess that sums it up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 286549 ![]() 08/22/2007 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Imagine a par five golf hole 500 metres long wide fairways and trees ...the complete layout is the entire GOLD MARKET ( paper , shares derivatives etc etc and physical gold )............the hole ( about 4 inches in diameter from memory ) represents the Quoting: GOLDFINGER 286539actual worldwide physical supply of GOLD ever mined...the rest is the paper market.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW VALUABLE THIS STUFF REALLY IS GET SOME TODAY Goldfinger, you sound like you know what's what about gold and such. How much time do you think we have left to buy gold at around the current price and how much do you see it rising to when TSHTF. Also, what about Silver? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 286549 ![]() 08/22/2007 06:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Shit, this is weird. For the last two hours or so I have been checking out the websites and places that buy/sell gold and contemplating buying some. Also printed out read a good article that CROW posted a couple of days ago regarding the purchase of gold as an asset. Then I click on to GLP and the first post I see is this one. Well that bloody well seals it. I'm buying some. |
GOLDFINGER User ID: 286555 ![]() 08/22/2007 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | of course i dont know. I had the pleasure in 1983 of staying in London a guest in the home of one Stafford Cottman for six weeks. Stafford was George Orwells best friend, and fought with him in the Spanish Civil war.He was an interesting political thinker. Well undoubtedly we are now living in an Orwellian world where we are continually lied to by the media , Democracy no longer exists , and undoubtedly TSHTF will happen , much as i wish we could change things . 2012 will be some sort of cleansing but it looks like all sorts of crap before then. Those of you that have read the DaVinci code and know about Fibonnaci numbers might like to look at when the USA had civil war and when the declaration of independence was signed and think about the Fib numbers 144 and 233 in years. in a SHTF really bad i would think gold masy have a purchasing power of around $100000 USD per oz in todays values and silver was one 16 th of the Gold price in the 1980 high for both metals. Namaste |
Godot User ID: 266360 ![]() 08/22/2007 06:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gold is a commodity - not a form of currency. Investing in gold is no different than investing in platinum, orange juice, or uranium they are all commodities and there prices and value is based on supply and demand of the markets. Having reserves of physical gold does nothing for an individual and you most definitely stand to make more by investing your money in a mutual fund or bonds. Quoting: thegovGold is currently at $667 - adjusting for inflation, this means that Gold is worth less today than it was in the 80's. Gold isn't some special commodity that only appreciates in value, the price depends on the demand. At the moment the demand for Gold is not as high as it used to be, plus production levels are up. In right now a pig, a cow, or a troy ounce of Platinum is worth more than a troy ounce of Gold. A wise investor would diversify their portfolio but never invest in something just because of a perceived notion of value. While precious metals might be commodities worth investing in given most of the appreciation over the past several years, it definitely doesn't help your portfolio to try to acquire physical specimen. And for those that think you should purchase physical specimen of gold for some coming catastrophe - what do you think will be more valuable in a post-apocalyptic world; A troy once of Gold or a Pig? Now that you mention it, its tricky to transport my pig to Thailand, Hawaii or wherever, in my pocket. Bottom line, nothing in the world is more liquid, more mobile or more universally accepted in more locations in trade for the local currency, than gold. Yes it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it.... ... No, it's not safe, it's very dangerous. Be Careful. |
Dervish User ID: 282066 ![]() 08/22/2007 06:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op, I live overseas now, actually in a place nicknamed the city of gold. I concur with your statement. I can still buy gold jewellry with the mark up, but actual investment coins and bars have been hard to get for some time now. When the US markets dropped, and people supposedly needed liquidity by selling gold, did anyone notice an increase in physical gold supply? I didn't. So it was either paper gold being moved, or some people hoarding up as soon as it was available. If its the second part thats happening..follow the money. I know enough to know that I know nothing |
GOLDFINGER User ID: 286578 ![]() 08/22/2007 07:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | heads up gold watchers .... backwardation creeping in -- 06:50:58 08/22/07 Wed 6 month gold lease rate is ABOVE the 1 year ... the tsunami approaches stealthily but inevitably .... when it reaches the 1 month rates the afterburners will hit and paper will burn trillions of losses not yet marked-to-market -- most people don't yet get it .... the auction that Bear Stearns held for its CDO's failed .. no bid, worthless ... there are trillions of those same or similar derivatives out there, on the books of every hedge fund, financial institution, big banks, investment banks, money-market fund .... still waiting to be valued. get it? this is massively deflationary and it is not going away anytime soon, there may not be an actual panic but the world is going the way that Japan went 18 years ago .... the carry-trade helped and Japan has finally sucked the world into deflationary depression just like in japan the bad debts will hang around on books for months, years and finally decades, keeping interest rates excessively low and insolvent banks staggering around the markets like zombies, nobody wishing to put there money anywhere until the final shoe drops or bank blows up .... which it never does .... it's just starting. BUY GOLD TAKE DELIVERY ..you have been WARNED |
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IRA RA User ID: 286706 ![]() 08/22/2007 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Borrow against your IRA and take physical possession. Ben will paper this deflation over with helicopter CASH and you can pay back pennies on your dollars borrowed. Meanwhile your physical hoard will ACCRUE! ... easy for me to say. But it SOUNDS like a good idea. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 273217 ![]() 08/22/2007 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gold is a commodity - not a form of currency. Investing in gold is no different than investing in platinum, orange juice, or uranium they are all commodities and there prices and value is based on supply and demand of the markets. Having reserves of physical gold does nothing for an individual and you most definitely stand to make more by investing your money in a mutual fund or bonds. Quoting: thegovGold is currently at $667 - adjusting for inflation, this means that Gold is worth less today than it was in the 80's. Gold isn't some special commodity that only appreciates in value, the price depends on the demand. At the moment the demand for Gold is not as high as it used to be, plus production levels are up. In right now a pig, a cow, or a troy ounce of Platinum is worth more than a troy ounce of Gold. A wise investor would diversify their portfolio but never invest in something just because of a perceived notion of value. While precious metals might be commodities worth investing in given most of the appreciation over the past several years, it definitely doesn't help your portfolio to try to acquire physical specimen. And for those that think you should purchase physical specimen of gold for some coming catastrophe - what do you think will be more valuable in a post-apocalyptic world; A troy once of Gold or a Pig? You know, right up to the last sentence, I was going to say "where do you think you are posting, anyway?" but obviously you know... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 243849 ![]() 08/22/2007 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remote, rural land is probablt more valuable than gold but what the heck, I bought both with my fiat canuk bucks. |