...Oh dear, as a knee jerk reaction you have made quite a few assumptions there old chap.
You need to read the post again after you have switched off ‘auto defend auto attack’.
I don’t blame you, this board can easily lead one to believe every thread is a threat.
I’m a white English chap & reside in the South of the UK countryside.
I am going to afford you the decency of time in order for you to read my original post, then read your reply, & then decide exactly what it is that you with to say or indeed ‘ask’ in connection to my post.
I will not dissect your post until tomorrow, that’s only fair, we all respond at times while failing to understand ‘content’ & ‘context’.
You are forgiven for now.
Quoting: Ayr Phorce Yuan First off, i'm a woman mother and also European. Not a chap.
I gathered after my post you were from the UK. That part is my mistake.
There are many far right people, who want open dialogue, who want to have civil discourse. That is what European standards are supposed to be. I am someone who always wants to have open discussion. The problem is. When you state facts and numbers or even remotely the truth. Get into proper history, you are shut down! You are banned from every platform out there and labelled names. Especially from those who call themselves patriots. The far right actually do not do this. The far right have absolutely no control over tech. They have no control over the platforms they speak on. There are a few groups in the far right, who actually have nothing to do with it. They are try hards and just are there to shill for who knows who.
A lot of the far right are family people, go to work and live simple or corporate lives. Who only want to be left alone. Have children, bring those children up without degeneracy etc.
Thank you for ‘proper engagement’ & my apologies for the use of ‘chappy’.
I need to get to bed soon as it’s 03:08 here in the UK & your post deserves some thought before reply rather than a quick retort.
So I promise I will respond, but I need to ‘think’ about it properly as you explained yourself well & therefore there is a case for discussion.
I fully understand your frustration in not having numerous platforms available to you from which to speak & looking at why that is will be an interesting discussion. The obvious reason is exactly why this thread was made.
Although it is likely we will disagree on a great deal, it is still unfortunate that an alternative voice is difficult to hear. What is interesting is ‘who’ is to blame, is it the ‘over liberal left’ silencing anything not politically correct or is it those in the far right community that can not conduct themselves in the manner of which you have.
Or both............ we should chat.
It really could be a problem of a mixture. The far right started going harder, because there was no discourse with the left. There was no discourse with anyone. Thus meme's. Meme's that made people uncomfortable. But there are very reasonable people out there. Who just want a blog, and talk about their ancestry and family. My friend Ayla is one of those people. She is a mother of 6 children. She talks about family values, bringing up her children and posts about her heritage. She has been on every mainstream news channel, she has been lied about. Attacked and threatened. Called a racist, because she has white children. There is a major problem out there. It's large white families who want to be left alone.
Just for the record. I have never heard Ayla be racist too anyone. Some very dishonest people out there though, see a white woman wanting white children as a threat. That is called racist now. A lot of those people when the average person are mothers who are white, with black children I have noticed. But there is a heavy agenda behind that too. Have a good night.
Hi there,
What you highlight is so important. This is why I made the thread, if there is only ‘bluster’, ‘anger’ & ‘threats’ WITHOUT dialogue & a fair opportunity to speak from both sides of the argument then all that can be achieved is both sides creating more hostility until the problem is total segregation & ostracisation.
But of course for dialogue to be productive there needs to be an understanding from all parties that finding a ‘middle ground’ is ‘compromise’ & NOT ‘sacrifice’ & that to say we want ‘change’ must mean we are also prepared to, most of the time it is one party that wants all the manoeuvring to be done by the other side, then clandestine games get played to give the illusion of ‘compromise’.
I think there is a difference between ‘Patriotism’ & ‘Nationalism’, but that is ‘my’ conditioning, when I hear ‘Nationalism’ I ‘auto hear’ fascist, therefore it’s important to get the info first in order to ascertain if that is indeed the case or that I have been mistaken.
We have our different versions & intensities of almost everything so........ for example, on this board I get called Liberal SJW Snowflake Cuck..........etc lol, the list goes on, yet nothing could be further from the truth, but the American version of Liberal is MILES away from the U.K. version.
Even demographically we have different takes on things.
We can ALL be bigoted in so many variants & I think the most important things to remind ourselves are:
What are we trying to change
Why does it need To change
How do we wish to achieve it
Who benefits
Often we use a sledgehammer to crack a nut (I am often guilty of this) when the alternatives are far more beneficial to all.
It is vital to listen & communicate honestly, you seem like a very reasonable individual that has been tarred with the same brush as the fascists.
More often than not, the EXTREME sectors of a group will wish to be associated with the more balanced among you, not just to try to change your view & to radicalise you, but more importantly to use the association as a means for ‘justification’ & as a false image of their reasonable side.
Unfortunately through that process people like yourself become silenced because the aggressive association will always be louder than the more moderate association. As a result the ‘moderate’ become ‘extreme’ as it is by then the ONLY way to be heard.
This is why freedom of speech is so important, ‘everybody’ must have a voice. This is what I mean by ‘the extreme right and the extreme left will always have more in common with each other than they ever will with me’.
‘Extreme’ is always a Pyrrhic victory.
I can hold my own both physically & intellectually but rarely do I ‘pick’ a fight, there is always plenty of discussion to be had before then.
