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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64172068 United States 03/17/2020 12:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 14:9-11 King James Version (KJV) 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? |
Botzwana User ID: 78441353 Mexico 03/17/2020 12:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 14:9-11 King James Version (KJV) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64172068 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? It doesnt mean he IS the father numbskull. I look like my father. People tell me that all the time. But I am NOT him. Numbers 23:19 God himself says I am not a man. Jesus was a man. Case closed. BANE |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73328029 United States 03/17/2020 01:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Jesus said that! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26810388 It's a Father and a Son, Royalty of Heaven. Pathetic that you waste your time trying to divide. Every knee shall bow. It's one of the oldest debates in Christianity guy, relax. At least he's talking about it. Me and my family are one. Doesn't mean I'm my kid or I'm my wife or any one of them are me. In a way, in America the most powerful man in the country is one with the most desolate bum on the street. Doesn't mean one can act as the other. It comes down to is God capable of being a single man and was that man Jesus? I get the idea, this "divine essence" or "Holy Spirit" was inside, or better yet simply put God. He either was or wasn't. Messiah after all simply means Messenger. Fact is Jesus was not sure. Not at the beginning nor, according to Scripture, at the end (Matthew 27:46). All of this is really inconsequential if you follow the Great Commandment(s). |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78634684 United States 03/17/2020 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 14:9-11 King James Version (KJV) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64172068 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? It doesnt mean he IS the father numbskull. I look like my father. People tell me that all the time. But I am NOT him. Numbers 23:19 God himself says I am not a man. Jesus was a man. Case closed. I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56255546 United States 03/17/2020 01:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Jesus said that! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26810388 It's a Father and a Son, Royalty of Heaven. Pathetic that you waste your time trying to divide. Every knee shall bow. It's one of the oldest debates in Christianity guy, relax. At least he's talking about it. Me and my family are one. Doesn't mean I'm my kid or I'm my wife or any one of them are me. In a way, in America the most powerful man in the country is one with the most desolate bum on the street. Doesn't mean one can act as the other. It comes down to is God capable of being a single man and was that man Jesus? I get the idea, this "divine essence" or "Holy Spirit" was inside, or better yet simply put God. He either was or wasn't. Messiah after all simply means Messenger. Fact is Jesus was not sure. Not at the beginning nor, according to Scripture, at the end (Matthew 27:46). All of this is really inconsequential if you follow the Great Commandment(s). No the great commandments will not save you. You can not perfectly obey all of them in all their nuances. Mentally you might think you are upholding them, but in your heart you still sin. Which is why the only way to Salvation is through Faith in Christ. Now if you are really his child, then there is no confusion or doubt, that he is the Father, but in human form. It is a miracle the human mind can only grasp by Faith. If you do not get this, then you have a spiritual problem! Very probably are deluding yourself and are not really saved. So be very careful here and make sure you know him and not just the words that are written about him. |
Servant-of-the-LORD (OP) User ID: 54318336 United States 03/17/2020 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's one of the oldest debates in Christianity guy, relax. At least he's talking about it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73328029 Me and my family are one. Doesn't mean I'm my kid or I'm my wife or any one of them are me. In a way, in America the most powerful man in the country is one with the most desolate bum on the street. Doesn't mean one can act as the other. It comes down to is God capable of being a single man and was that man Jesus? I get the idea, this "divine essence" or "Holy Spirit" was inside, or better yet simply put God. He either was or wasn't. Messiah after all simply means Messenger. Fact is Jesus was not sure. Not at the beginning nor, according to Scripture, at the end (Matthew 27:46). All of this is really inconsequential if you follow the Great Commandment(s). No the great commandments will not save you. You can not perfectly obey all of them in all their nuances. Mentally you might think you are upholding them, but in your heart you still sin. Which is why the only way to Salvation is through Faith in Christ. Now if you are really his child, then there is no confusion or doubt, that he is the Father, but in human form. It is a miracle the human mind can only grasp by Faith. If you do not get this, then you have a spiritual problem! Very probably are deluding yourself and are not really saved. So be very careful here and make sure you know him and not just the words that are written about him. 1. Repent Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mark 1:15 And saying*, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe* the gospel. 2. Believe John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 3. Be "born again". John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4. Forgive others so the Father will forgive you. Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. 5. Do the Father's Will Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Servant-of-the-LORD (OP) User ID: 54318336 United States 03/17/2020 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 14:9-11 King James Version (KJV) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64172068 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? It doesnt mean he IS the father numbskull. I look like my father. People tell me that all the time. But I am NOT him. Numbers 23:19 God himself says I am not a man. Jesus was a man. Case closed. I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. Neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are equal to the Father. The Father SENT Jesus. The Father SENDS the Holy Spirit. The first of the early church fathers to be recorded using the word "Trinity" was Theophilus of Antioch writing in the late 2nd century. He defines the Trinity as God, His Word (Logos) and His Wisdom (Sophia) in the context of a discussion of the first three days of creation, following the early Christian practice of identifying the Holy Spirit as the Wisdom of God. The first defense of the doctrine of the Trinity was in the early 3rd century by the early church father Tertullian. He explicitly defined the Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and defended his theology against "Praxeas",[47] though he noted that the majority of the believers in his day found issue with his doctrine. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] ..... 1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me". 2. Jesus NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" NOR "worship Holy Spirit". 3. Jesus NEVER said "pray to / worship the trinity". 4. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father. 5. The Holy Spirit NEVER says "I am _______" and you shall ________. Only Jesus and the Father say such. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 01/14/2022 12:53 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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Servant-of-the-LORD (OP) User ID: 54318336 United States 03/17/2020 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Jesus said that! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26810388 It's a Father and a Son, Royalty of Heaven. Pathetic that you waste your time trying to divide. Every knee shall bow. Matthew 6 9 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. 13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. 14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Luke 11 1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. 2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 3 Give us day by day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 03/17/2020 01:47 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78664623 United States 03/21/2020 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Jesus said that! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26810388 It's a Father and a Son, Royalty of Heaven. Pathetic that you waste your time trying to divide. Every knee shall bow. Every knee SHALL bow. OP isn't trying to divide. Jesus said that HE came to divide. Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I have come to introduce peace into the land; I came not to introduce peace, but a Sword" Luke 12 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. |
Servant-of-the-LORD (OP) User ID: 78669332 United States 03/22/2020 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78664054 Who is this? Is this God? And there is no other God besides Me, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78634684 A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. ^ OP, is this God? Yes or No? That's the Father speaking in pre-Jesus Old Testament times. The Father is THE AUTHOR of salvation AND everlasting life. IF the Father HAD NOT sent Jesus - we wouldn't KNOW about "everlasting life" NOR the coming "new heaven and new earth". Thread: ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul - Bible Study ... So...did Jesus LIE to Mary when He said THIS? Yes or No John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 11/11/2021 01:08 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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abbabdon444713 User ID: 78953457 United States 11/13/2021 05:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Jesus said that! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26810388 It's a Father and a Son, Royalty of Heaven. Pathetic that you waste your time trying to divide. Every knee shall bow. "And My Father said, "Let us make a man in Our image and likeness, that he may continue to praise us by day and by night, and that every one may know that it is the hand of the Lord that hath made all these things; for I existed before these things were." And My Father commanded an angel, saying..." And My Father said unto Me," If I put breath into him, My beloved Son, Thou wilt be obliged to go down into the world, and to suffer many pains for him before Thou shalt have redeemed him, and made him to come back to his primal state." the voice of My Father shall come unto Me from the seventh heaven, and none shall hear it except Myself, for I and My Father are One and He shall say unto them, " My word remaineth with My Father." nice try arsehart!! dont u think it's well past time by now to stop taking gnostic persecution for granted ?? Pistis sophia's el'eleth - Daveithai's zoe |
Accountability is Coming User ID: 81088072 United States 11/13/2021 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. ................. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ... Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name ... Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? "And let all the angels of God worship him. (Christ) And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever. A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity, therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of thine hands. They shall perish, but thou remainest, and they all shall wax old as doth a garment, And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed. But thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?" Hebrews Yes... Accountability is coming. Those in authority and positions of trust will be held to a stricter judgment. From the highest offices of government, to the lowly Internet Forum Moderator. My best advice to them is to stop censoring those who tell the truth, and stop enabling the dishonest. |
abbabdon444713 User ID: 78953457 United States 11/13/2021 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Ye have awaited with me in the trials, and I will bequeath unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath bequeathed it unto me, that ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom; and ye shall sit on twelve thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel.' ...'Jesus continued again and said unto his disciples:..' Pistis sophia's el'eleth - Daveithai's zoe |
SonOfZion User ID: 10109137 United States 11/13/2021 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1Timothy 6:15 Which in His times He shall show, who is the blessed and only Authority, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Revelation 19:16 And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. By the same measure, If Only excludes YESHUA from being GOD, Then ONLY excludes The Father from having any Authority. John 20:28 And Thomas Answered and said unto HIM, Ho Kurios mu kai Ho Theos mu The GOD of me and The LORD of me And YESHUA rebukes Him for calling HIM, THE GOD and THE LORD? NO, Rather He says Because you have seen Me you believe, blessed are those that have not seen and believe. Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the Ekklesia of GOD, which He hath purchased with His own blood. Dia Idios Haima With His own Blood Greek; Idios, pertaining to one's self, one's own, belonging to one's self ... Last Edited by SonOfZion on 11/13/2021 12:29 PM SonOfZion |
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Servant-of-the-LORD (OP) User ID: 54122134 United States 11/13/2021 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "And let all the angels of God worship him. (Christ) Quoting: Accountability is Coming And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever. A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity, therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of thine hands. They shall perish, but thou remainest, and they all shall wax old as doth a garment, And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed. But thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?" Hebrews So the Book of Hebrews takes precedence over what Jesus actually SAID? Utter NONSENSE. Here's an another example of Hebrews foolishness. Thread: Hebrews 12:2 Embellishes Jesus as "Author" - Yet the Plan for Salvation is Father God's - Bible Study .... Let's look at some REAL facts. The Father SENT Jesus. The Father SENDS the Holy Spirit. That requires AUTHORITY and power. 0. The Father says "I am God - there is NO ONE else". - Isaiah 46:9 and maybe 10 other verses. 00. Jesus SAID the Father is the "only TRUE God" and "His God - OUR God". - John 17:3, John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12. 000. Jesus NEVER said this phrase "I am God". 0000. Jesus NEVER said this phrase "call me God". 1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me". 2. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father. 3. NO one says this phrase - "Jesus is God". 4. Jesus NEVER says "pray to" nor "worship the Holy Spirit". 5. The word "trinity" isn't in the Bible. 6. The trinity "concept" didn't start unil the middle of the 2nd Century. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 11/13/2021 01:00 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Servant-of-the-LORD (OP) User ID: 54122134 United States 11/13/2021 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So Father God commands God Jesus? Father God GIVES power to God Jesus? Father God TAUGHT God Jesus? NOPE. Father God did and gave to the SON OF God. Father God SENT Jesus. (said 47 times in the 4 Gospels) Father God TAUGHT Jesus. John 5:19 & John 8:28 Father God TOLD Jesus what to say. John 12:49-50 Father God has commited judgement to the Son. John 5:22 Father God commanded Jesus to raise His own body. John 10:18 Father God GAVE Jesus power to forgive sins. Mark 2:10 Father God GAVE Jesus power over heaven and earth. Matthew 28:18 Father God GAVE Jesus glory. John 12:28 and John 17 Father God GAVE Jesus power over all flesh. John 17:2 Father God GAVE Jesus commandment to raise His own body. John 10:18 Father God GAVE Jesus commandment what to say. John 12:49 Father God GAVE Jesus "All things into his hand" John 3:35 Father God EXALTED Jesus Acts 2:33 I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Servant-of-the-LORD (OP) User ID: 7398441 United States 11/13/2021 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have made known to the OP several times the following verse, which he always obfuscates with a wall of text that he does not understand. Quoting: SonOfZion Again I ask OP You equate being SENT as being inferior in Nature than the one sending. The One being Sent is YHWH, by Adonai YHWH and His Spirit Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto Me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now Adonai YHWH, and His Spirit, hath sent Me. 17 Thus saith YHWH, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am YHWH thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. Please explain why is one YHWH sending another called YHWH? Psalms 107:20 He sent His Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. Genesis 15:1 After these things The Word of YHWH came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad. John 1:1 In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with GOD, and The Word was GOD. They understood what He was saying Typical reply - calling FACTS a "wall of text" that YOU DENY. Who TOLD Jesus what to say? ...the Father SENT me Said by Jesus 47 times ...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. ...The Father GAVE me the Revelation Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: ...... ...Jesus said...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19 & John 8:28 John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |