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SO YOU THINK ANYONE WHO HASN’T PREPPED IS JUST STUPID?

 
CrimsonBleu  (OP)

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Notice how nearly everyone told you to shove it up your ass and didn't come to your pitty party?
 Quoting: Kingzzor



Who's throwing a pity party? This is not about me! I am not posting this on behalf of myself in any way shape or form. I have food stocks. I have all the stock I need. I might not have a lot of cash, but I have plenty of food, guns, ammo, medical supplies, camping and cooking utensils, oil, condiments, coffee, and the works. I'm fine.

What I don't get is why people seem to quickly judge another situation without knowing their circumstances.

There is no doubt there are irresponsible people who have squandered their time and money. But there are also many circumstances where responsible people have worked hard and still can't seem to get ahead.
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


People have been judging other people since time began, Crimson Bleu. Been doing it before now, and will continue long time ahead. That's their lesson to learn. You've already learned it.
hf
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley




I know and I get that. But right now it's time to grow the hell up. We need to be pulling together as a human collective. How are we ever going to evolve as a human race if we cannot put our trivial judgments aside and look at others through eyes of compassion? If someone is in need don't belittle them for it. Instead assist, teach, provide or whatever it takes to help elevate them to a higher level. We don't need to be cruel to each other.

Just sayin'
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Cowards are the only ones slinging insults and nasty stuff at people for not preparing. All for their own self glorification.

They will be the hated ones when it gets bad.

Do your best, everyone can afford to have God in heart to lead the way. It's better than nothing.
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I pray for you OP.
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I pray for you OP.
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LOL what? Serious?

Never mind..
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Class warfare is so gauche.....

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Notice how nearly everyone told you to shove it up your ass and didn't come to your pitty party?
 Quoting: Kingzzor



Who's throwing a pity party? This is not about me! I am not posting this on behalf of myself in any way shape or form. I have food stocks. I have all the stock I need. I might not have a lot of cash, but I have plenty of food, guns, ammo, medical supplies, camping and cooking utensils, oil, condiments, coffee, and the works. I'm fine.

What I don't get is why people seem to quickly judge another situation without knowing their circumstances.

There is no doubt there are irresponsible people who have squandered their time and money. But there are also many circumstances where responsible people have worked hard and still can't seem to get ahead.
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


People have been judging other people since time began, Crimson Bleu. Been doing it before now, and will continue long time ahead. That's their lesson to learn. You've already learned it.
hf
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley




I know and I get that. But right now it's time to grow the hell up. We need to be pulling together as a human collective. How are we ever going to evolve as a human race if we cannot put our trivial judgments aside and look at others through eyes of compassion? If someone is in need don't belittle them for it. Instead assist, teach, provide or whatever it takes to help elevate them to a higher level. We don't need to be cruel to each other.

Just sayin'
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


I agree with you there. Instead they are spending their time & energy with stupid things like calling it the Chinese flu is racist. How about we all do our part and get though this.

My neighbor is very nice. she is a single mom of 2 boys. She has always worked to support them. When I talked to her the other day about this whole situation, her comment was "This is all too much." I could tell she didn't really understand what is going on. She may not be the sharpest, but she is a good person doing the best she can.

I have given her food here & there that I got on sale, treats for the boys, soup when I make a big pot. As long as my family is fed, I would most definitely share with her.
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I've known people that make 6 figures who were broke, and people that made less than half that who were not. It isn't your income that makes you rich, it is your mentality. Anyone who didn't prep is foolish, they will reap what they have sown.
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If we choose it to be then yes. This is glp. You make it up as you go along.
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I pray for you OP.
 Quoting: Nonentity


LOL what? Serious?

Never mind..
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


I meant that in all goodness.

A sincere thought for your well being and those who are hard up. Not saying you are, just being kind.

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Their plan is to stretch this out 18 months (subject to change).


Do you have 18 months of supplies? During power cuts, gas cuts, water mains cuts.
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When the storm troopers break down your door and confiscate your supplies, it won't make a difference anyway.
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I have seen way so many comments and threads on GLP about how stupid people are for not prepping and that it’s their own fault if they don’t have enough to get through a crisis. They should have planned better, or they didn’t know how to handle money, and on and on…

I spent almost 8 years working for one of the largest storable food and emergency preparedness companies you have no doubt heard about, and I can tell you first hand that:

Most families are just getting by and MIGHT have a months worth of savings if they are lucky.

People WANT to prep but are extremely limited and have to choose what they can afford at that moment.

Every day you are served by people who can’t prep and every day you expect them to proved food, and other services to YOU so you can. Let’s list a few:

Restaurant staff like waiters and waitresses, cooks and hosts. Dishwashers too. Sandwich shop employees like Subway and all fast food workers.
Hotel staff like from the front desk to the maids who clean your room to the laundry department who handles your nasty lines when you are done with them.
Cashiers who have to listen to you complain or handle and touch the same shit a bunch of other people touched and place it in a bag for you.

Landscaping and lawncare crews who mow your yard and trim, and weedeat for you.

Car wash people who work their ass off to clean YOUR dirty ass car.

Construction workers who sweat balls working to build and repair houses and businesses everywhere. This includes roofers who sweat nails in the summer.

Trash collectors - Oh here is my pet peeve…these guys are up and down, on the truck and off the truck in between hoisting your nasty ass trash cans into the trash muncher machine, in sweltering heat, storms, sleet rain and ice cold winter. They don’t get paid near enough.

Pool techs who keep your pool sparking so you can soak your ass in the crystal clear water and relax.

Customer service people from banks, hotels, car dealerships cell phone service, utility companies, retail store of every kind, do you think they can afford to save three to 6 months worth of savings for hard times?

That’s enough for now. Use your brain and THINK for one minute not EVERYONE is in a position to be ready for these tough times, so be easy on them. Share if you can and don’t belittle others because they are material poor. They have lives and families too.

Both my parents worked in the hospitality industry for most of their lives and died with nothing in the bank and nothing to account for it materially. That’s the way the high majority of us are going to die too. But we still serve each other the best we can.
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu

Well, everyone that prepped is not there in line getting what they will give out and thats the point. People are supposed to be all the independent they can and NOT burden the system for help. Thats how it works better.
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My observations

They spend all their extra cash on cigarettes- booze - and vacations and video games

Those type relatives just nodded and shrugged when TOLD supply chain shortages were coming SOON

We have been shedding addictions : sugar and cigarettes for the last few years as part of prepping


Getting healthy - exercising - building a sauna - losing excess pounds - building muscle

Gaining SKILLS - gardening - food storage and canning - dehydrating

Paying off debt !

We have no more income than average

We just do things by ourself - with YouTube instructions (fixed the washing machine to get two extra years out of it - fixing cars and buying old trucks and reselling or just driving them into the dirt

Still not enough

But we have no reason to PANIC

Other extended family gained weight - got sicker - smoked - and relied on the government to make their rent - insurance - food

Let them panic
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No, they are smart....like what are u going to do with cases of toilet paper?, when you have to bug out in minutes? What good will they be if you only have an hour to Haul your Ass To A Safe Distance?. You need to learn "How To Live Off The Land".
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A safe distance - LOL! What makes you think that we at a safe distance want you up here? What are you going to eat when you get to that safe distance (providing you are even allowed to leave, which is looking more and more likely as the days go by)?
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Stupid?...no....so long as you make an informed choice and willing to live or die by it, I'm fine with your decision.....
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Notice how nearly everyone told you to shove it up your ass and didn't come to your pitty party?
 Quoting: Kingzzor



Who's throwing a pity party? This is not about me! I am not posting this on behalf of myself in any way shape or form. I have food stocks. I have all the stock I need. I might not have a lot of cash, but I have plenty of food, guns, ammo, medical supplies, camping and cooking utensils, oil, condiments, coffee, and the works. I'm fine.

What I don't get is why people seem to quickly judge another situation without knowing their circumstances.

There is no doubt there are irresponsible people who have squandered their time and money. But there are also many circumstances where responsible people have worked hard and still can't seem to get ahead.
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


Then THEY are the ones doing something wrong and not society.

But: here's something nobody's yet addressed in this thread. You began by stating that you've worked for 8 years in the Emergency Preparedness industry, specifically storable foods. And I'm here to tell you that your field is second only to the despicable funeral indusry for selling overpriced, unnecessary products to vulnerable people. You vultures started this sham back with Y2K, sharpened your talons with 2012 and you've only gotten worse ever since as you shameessly promote hurricanes and every other natural disaster you can hype.

First you prey upon their fears and then compound the injustice by selling grossly overpriced products that are largely CRAP. Your entire selling point centers around outrageously stupid long-term storage such as 25 years but NEVER point out that if you have to plan on that long a period of survival, society's ALREADY royally fucked and so are your customers, whether their shelves are stocked with your junk or not.

Secondly, there's the taste! That's another heavy selling point you have to punch in your ad copy because people already know it's gonna' taste like a cheap boxed dinner that they know they paid too much for. There are intelligent people on here talking about buying a $3 bag of rice that will last several meals and yet you were hawking a $6 single-seving pouch of Rice-A-Roni with a few dehydrated vegetables thrown in.

Finally, there's your pricing. You charge eight bucks for a "delicious" meal that can be thrown together for under $2 in any kitchen. Of course, that's when you throw in that idiotic 25-year shelf life as justification for raping your customers' wallets and palates alike with your bullshit.

The final nail in your coffin is your obscene profit margins and that's where you sink your lowest -and most resemble those undertakers I mentioned above- as you lure in already unstable people with your worthless products. It literally costs you pennies to produce your garbage with the result that you are cackling at your 2,000% profit margins and getting rich while you do so. THAT'S THE NATURE OF YOUR "INDUSTRY" and it's an affront to human decency itself.

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Cowards are the only ones slinging insults and nasty stuff at people for not preparing. All for their own self glorification.

They will be the hated ones when it gets bad.

Do your best, everyone can afford to have God in heart to lead the way. It's better than nothing.
 Quoting: Nonentity


I, personally, think it's a good thing some people have prepped so that they can take care of their neighbors who didn't or who under-prepped. It's not an insult to tell people they need to be prepared at all times with an emergency supply. That's as commonsense as telling people not to flash large amounts of cash in public. I mean really, do some people need to be told to breathe?
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So what are you saying OP? That everyday workers cannot prepare for an event because they are busy serving the rest of us?

Get the fuck outa here! This is the dumbest cry baby shit I have read this week.

Sure, now that the water is rising the people come demanding to get into the ARK!
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Who's throwing a pity party? This is not about me! I am not posting this on behalf of myself in any way shape or form. I have food stocks. I have all the stock I need. I might not have a lot of cash, but I have plenty of food, guns, ammo, medical supplies, camping and cooking utensils, oil, condiments, coffee, and the works. I'm fine.

What I don't get is why people seem to quickly judge another situation without knowing their circumstances.

There is no doubt there are irresponsible people who have squandered their time and money. But there are also many circumstances where responsible people have worked hard and still can't seem to get ahead.
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


People have been judging other people since time began, Crimson Bleu. Been doing it before now, and will continue long time ahead. That's their lesson to learn. You've already learned it.
hf
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley




I know and I get that. But right now it's time to grow the hell up. We need to be pulling together as a human collective. How are we ever going to evolve as a human race if we cannot put our trivial judgments aside and look at others through eyes of compassion? If someone is in need don't belittle them for it. Instead assist, teach, provide or whatever it takes to help elevate them to a higher level. We don't need to be cruel to each other.

Just sayin'
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


I agree with you there. Instead they are spending their time & energy with stupid things like calling it the Chinese flu is racist. How about we all do our part and get though this.

My neighbor is very nice. she is a single mom of 2 boys. She has always worked to support them. When I talked to her the other day about this whole situation, her comment was "This is all too much." I could tell she didn't really understand what is going on. She may not be the sharpest, but she is a good person doing the best she can.

I have given her food here & there that I got on sale, treats for the boys, soup when I make a big pot. As long as my family is fed, I would most definitely share with her.
 Quoting: Paranoiaaaaa





Sounds like her whole world is about raising her children and thats all she has the energy and time for. Thank God for you. Bless you. hf
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I pray for you OP.
 Quoting: Nonentity


LOL what? Serious?

Never mind..
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


I meant that in all goodness.

A sincere thought for your well being and those who are hard up. Not saying you are, just being kind.
 Quoting: Nonentity


Oh my sincere apology then...! It's hard to know what's behind those words and I ASSumed it was meant that I wake up or some "thing" like that.

Thank you. Hugs.

As posted above though I'm okay. I have all the provisions I need down to a T. I don't have any money in the bank, but I have enough to share if somebody is hungry.
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Most families are just getting by and MIGHT have a months worth of savings if they are lucky.
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Unfortunately, how many of those same people:

o have 60"-72" HDTVs
o stood in line for hours on Black Friday to save $50 on those TVs
o have satellite or cable with all of the sports and movie packages, costing around $120/mn
o have Netflix, and spend hours binge-watching nonsense
o have every member of their family getting the latest/newest smartphone each year, and with the most expensive data plans
o lease their vehicles, and get a new one every two years
o still take annual vacations
o buy an expensive coffee every morning
o dine out 2-3 times a week
o go out drinking every weekend, or bring home a six-pack every day. Or both.
o go to the movies every week. With tickets $10-12 each. And $5 sodas. And $15 buckets of popcorn.
o buy every new video game that comes out

I know there are a lot of people just getting by. But by the same token, there are a lot of people crying how tough they have it, but never take stock of how much money they are pissing away.
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I've heard mothers complain they can't afford to buy some extra food who get their hair done every week, nails done, new shoes on impulse, and spend hundreds on make up.

Their shopping carts are filled with expensive, easy, quick JUNK food. Pop tarts, hot pockets, frozen pizza, corn dogs, frozen burritos, French fries, chips of all kinds, lunch meat, frozen waffles, sweetened boxes of cold cereals.
I don't mind things like hamburger helper or Mac and cheese. At least a modicum of effort is involved.

The high cost of these foods could subsidize both the purchase of ingredients for substantial meals and the purchase of storage foods for emergency back up.

All the excuses in the world can still boil down to just making the wrong choices, being lazy, always thinking someone else will provide everything, and, being stupid.
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I haven't prepped and have no desire to.

I live, I live, I die, I die. I have no interest in either outcome.
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Lol.... until your starving to death, bleeding out, can’t breath.....and then trust me.....you soon realize how precious life really is.

I pray it happens to you and you do not have to watch someone you care about suffer an agonizing death. Those are the memories that keep me up at night
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Funding is not an excuse. In one year I'xve managed to dig a cave, stock the cave, and further planning from cave. It only costed me energy. And gas money. Let's roll homie.
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Where is it?


Chuckle
 Quoting: Michibama


Yeah really, Michibama. I find people like that AC to be full of BS. Not everyone has the incredible fortunes of being able to find some location to "build a cave" or what have you. If you live in the countryside generally you will not be bothered, I hope so.

If you live in the city that is where all hell will break loose, good luck surviving. Even if you had a safe room to Bug In into eventually you will be found out. You will need multiple ways of defending yourself. Otherwise you are mere prey to those who seek to do only harm and worse to others.
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Poor Decisions OP. When I was waiting tables I could still save 50 a month by cutting out weed. Rice is cheap yo
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When you can find rice, yo.
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Poor Decisions OP. When I was waiting tables I could still save 50 a month by cutting out weed. Rice is cheap yo
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When you can find rice, yo.
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The Rice Challenge consists of actually finding rice that is rice. From what I understand much of the rice that comes in from China at least is fake rice. Meaning fake rice is just bits and pieces of white plastic.

The best way to weed out the white plastic pieces from your rice is to put a single layer on a skillet. Then heat it up somewhat gradually until the fake rice begins to discolor. Real rice has a much higher heat tolerance before it inevitably discolors and burns. I have seen one or two YouTube videos briefly show and discuss before those videos mysteriously vanished.
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So what are you saying OP? That everyday workers cannot prepare for an event because they are busy serving the rest of us?

Get the fuck outa here! This is the dumbest cry baby shit I have read this week.

Sure, now that the water is rising the people come demanding to get into the ARK!
 Quoting: Xuki


Oh my, you missed the whole point of the post.

Summary: Stop judging and criticizing people who may or may not have the means by which to be self reliant.

Don't judge a man till you walk in his shoes is what I'm saying.
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So what are you saying OP? That everyday workers cannot prepare for an event because they are busy serving the rest of us?

Get the fuck outa here! This is the dumbest cry baby shit I have read this week.

Sure, now that the water is rising the people come demanding to get into the ARK!
 Quoting: Xuki


Oh my, you missed the whole point of the post.

Summary: Stop judging and criticizing people who may or may not have the means by which to be self reliant.

Don't judge a man till you walk in his shoes is what I'm saying.
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


clappa

Excellent post, CrimsonBleu. For all I know, CrimsonBleu, you have led a vastly superior life and lifestyle to me in real life or verse visa. I do not know you at all. So why should I blindly and foolishly judge you when I know you not?
Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker.

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and when they see someone who is not mad,
they will attack him, saying,
'You are mad; you are not like us."
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So what are you saying OP? That everyday workers cannot prepare for an event because they are busy serving the rest of us?

Get the fuck outa here! This is the dumbest cry baby shit I have read this week.

Sure, now that the water is rising the people come demanding to get into the ARK!
 Quoting: Xuki


Oh my, you missed the whole point of the post.

Summary: Stop judging and criticizing people who may or may not have the means by which to be self reliant.

Don't judge a man till you walk in his shoes is what I'm saying.
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


clappa

Excellent post, CrimsonBleu. For all I know, CrimsonBleu, you have led a vastly superior life and lifestyle to me in real life or verse visa. I do not know you at all. So why should I blindly and foolishly judge you when I know you not?
 Quoting: darkwolf007



And THIS is the perspective from which we ALL should be coming from right now in these challenging times.

Thank you.
Phillip J. Fry

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03/20/2020 02:30 PM
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Re: SO YOU THINK ANYONE WHO HASN’T PREPPED IS JUST STUPID?
Funding is not an excuse. In one year I'xve managed to dig a cave, stock the cave, and further planning from cave. It only costed me energy. And gas money. Let's roll homie.
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Are you the NASA Caveman's Kid?

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