Quinism Foundation Warns of Dangers from Use of Antimalarial Quinolines Against COVID19 | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78489110 Canada 03/21/2020 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm more curious as to who is pushing a malaria drug so hard. Is the patent owned by anyone? Is the group that owns the patent owned by anyone? And that group? And the one under that one? Where does the profit trail lead? Get what I am saying? It's all about the money, with our Western leadership! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78663094 Canada 03/21/2020 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So if the virus requires low PH wouldn't increasing PH kill the virus? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44010937 Antiviral Chloroquine has antiviral effects,[31] which work by increasing endosomal pH resulting in impaired virus/cell fusion that requires a low pH.[32][33] Chloroquine also seems to act as a zinc ionophore, thereby allowing extra cellular zinc to enter inside the cell and inhibit viral RNA dependant RNA polymerase.[34][35] [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Then it’s no good. Zinc enables coronavirus |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77955198 United States 03/21/2020 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use of Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine, Mefloquine, Quinine, and Related Quinoline Drugs Risks Sudden and Lasting Neuropsychiatric Effects from Idiosyncratic Neurotoxicity Quoting: da kat [link to quinism.org (secure)] Bull shit, it is used by my sister for arthritis, she is in the old person group. It is known to stop viruses because it an antiviral as Malaria is a virus caused by mosquitoes. Actually it knows over fifty years not twenty-something years and has been tested and passed long time ago. Very few have problems and these problems can be stopped. Quit putting out shit that can cause problems. The biggest worry people should have is them pushing a vaccine before the tests are done. It has been in development waiting for this very outbreak! No, we are not going to take a deadly vaccine. WRONG. I've seen first hand the damage from pharmaceuticals and they're just as bad as vaccines if not worse. Remember all the warnings on commercials about side effects (like heart attack or death) for things that are supposed to help your fix skin or blood pressure?) Wake up and stop wishing for a miracle from Big Pharma because when have they ever provided any miracle cures or something that doesn't cause horrible side effects that last longer than the condition it treats? Or that doesn't permanently damage one of your organs? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73870984 United States 03/21/2020 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Big pharma does not want a cheap drug or homeopathic remedy for this outbreak. They want an expensive drug you have to take for the rest if your life so you can "manage" your sickness. They no longer cure anything, they "manage" them for big profit Imagine if it was discovered that this could be cured with herbalism They would never tell you and would probably go on a public campaign to discredit it if it leaked out to the masses |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76831291 Mexico 03/21/2020 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm more curious as to who is pushing a malaria drug so hard. Is the patent owned by anyone? Is the group that owns the patent owned by anyone? And that group? And the one under that one? Where does the profit trail lead? Get what I am saying? It's all about the money, with our Western leadership! This drug is in a group of super cheap drugs that cost about a penny per pill. There's no profit to be had, try again! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78020158 United States 03/21/2020 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use of Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine, Mefloquine, Quinine, and Related Quinoline Drugs Risks Sudden and Lasting Neuropsychiatric Effects from Idiosyncratic Neurotoxicity Quoting: da kat [link to quinism.org (secure)] Bull shit, it is used by my sister for arthritis, she is in the old person group. It is known to stop viruses because it an antiviral as Malaria is a virus caused by mosquitoes. Actually it knows over fifty years not twenty-something years and has been tested and passed long time ago. Very few have problems and these problems can be stopped. Quit putting out shit that can cause problems. The biggest worry people should have is them pushing a vaccine before the tests are done. It has been in development waiting for this very outbreak! No, we are not going to take a deadly vaccine. WRONG. I've seen first hand the damage from pharmaceuticals and they're just as bad as vaccines if not worse. Remember all the warnings on commercials about side effects (like heart attack or death) for things that are supposed to help your fix skin or blood pressure?) Wake up and stop wishing for a miracle from Big Pharma because when have they ever provided any miracle cures or something that doesn't cause horrible side effects that last longer than the condition it treats? Or that doesn't permanently damage one of your organs? also WRONG because malaria is a parasitic disease, you can see the little buggers in the blood with a normal microscope, viruses are tiny robots you need an electron microscope to see. Listening to Trump talk about his idiot science is like reading the old tabloids about Rat Tailed Monkey Boy found in Arkansas and an alien told me to cash in my 401k. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76831291 Mexico 03/21/2020 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So if the virus requires low PH wouldn't increasing PH kill the virus? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44010937 Antiviral Chloroquine has antiviral effects,[31] which work by increasing endosomal pH resulting in impaired virus/cell fusion that requires a low pH.[32][33] Chloroquine also seems to act as a zinc ionophore, thereby allowing extra cellular zinc to enter inside the cell and inhibit viral RNA dependant RNA polymerase.[34][35] [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Then it’s no good. Zinc enables coronavirus Wow, you should be banned. How brazen!!! So now they are just using the spray and pray approache to bullshitting. |
Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 37197857 Canada 03/21/2020 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rare side effects that nearly every med has. Given to pregnant mothers and children when traveling. And it needs to be administered now. Currently all 3 working solutions have been used the past already and don't need long testing. They can be used immediately. There is not 1, there is 3. So if you can't do the first 2, you can do the last. At this point, the people dying here and in Italy are being murdered. There are 3 cures, and if they're not administered, everyone dying is being murdered by our governments. 1. First step, the quinine based meds. Monitored. If there is a reaction or signs of a side effect, the cheaper med is halted. 2. The more expensive med is tried, the HIV med. AT NO COST TO ANYONE AS THEY'RE VICTIMS OF OUR GLOBALISTS AND CHINA. 3. IF a person can't take these meds due to side effects, then do the hemoglobin, the blood antibodies of the survivors. Out of those 3 steps, everyone should survive. Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 03/21/2020 10:28 AM The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78442147 Romania 03/21/2020 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use of Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine, Mefloquine, Quinine, and Related Quinoline Drugs Risks Sudden and Lasting Neuropsychiatric Effects from Idiosyncratic Neurotoxicity Quoting: da kat [link to quinism.org (secure)] Bull shit, it is used by my sister for arthritis, she is in the old person group. It is known to stop viruses because it an antiviral as Malaria is a virus caused by mosquitoes. Actually it knows over fifty years not twenty-something years and has been tested and passed long time ago. Very few have problems and these problems can be stopped. Quit putting out shit that can cause problems. The biggest worry people should have is them pushing a vaccine before the tests are done. It has been in development waiting for this very outbreak! No, we are not going to take a deadly vaccine. Damn right! I am seafarer, been for 30 years now, we always take this drug 2 weeks before entering an area with malaria, every day two tablets, and 2 weeks after leaving the malaria infected area.never heard of any sight effects... |
Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 37197857 Canada 03/21/2020 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As for me, finally had my C powder come in and made some lipsomal C last night. Was going to send a jar to my friend who has viral pneumonia but can't get a hold of her and am worried. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77945399 United States 03/21/2020 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or you can do nothing and drown with pneumonia. If I were sick enough I'd take my chances with "quinism" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77171931 Or you can just get better... Like MOST (as in almost ALL) people who get the flu, or coronavirus, or anything else. Shit, when I was a little kid, I got the MUMPS (hell on Earth), the CHICKENPOX (itchy scratchy hell on Earth), the MEASLES (two different varieties), a friend got POLIO (march of dimes) from which he recovered, hell we got staph and strep infections, almost the whole school was out once with head lice, impetigo (whatever the hell that was) purple medicine if I remember right, colds, fever, Dr. Miller's GIANT NEEDLE... I'm over 70 and I managed to live through it all. America has turned into the LAND OF THE PUSSIES. |
Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 37197857 Canada 03/21/2020 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are 3 very promising solutions. The quinine one is cheap and would work for the majority without side effects. The HIV one is expensive, known to save lives for years, would work for some of those who can't do the malaria drug. The hemoglobin antibodies is relatively expensive as it involves hospital, AND invasive. So the 3 are: cheap, expensive or invasive. But one of those 3 should work for everyone. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78535400 United States 03/21/2020 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use of Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine, Mefloquine, Quinine, and Related Quinoline Drugs Risks Sudden and Lasting Neuropsychiatric Effects from Idiosyncratic Neurotoxicity Quoting: da kat [link to quinism.org (secure)] Bull shit, it is used by my sister for arthritis, she is in the old person group. It is known to stop viruses because it an antiviral as Malaria is a virus caused by mosquitoes. Actually it knows over fifty years not twenty-something years and has been tested and passed long time ago. Very few have problems and these problems can be stopped. Quit putting out shit that can cause problems. The biggest worry people should have is them pushing a vaccine before the tests are done. It has been in development waiting for this very outbreak! No, we are not going to take a deadly vaccine. well said... bravo! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75682040 United States 03/21/2020 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We do have an immune system, we should use it. I've also posted about Bovine Colostrum. This is the first milk a cow produces when it gives birth. Calves are born without an active immune system. Key parts of a calf's immune system are present, but at much lower levels than an adult cow. This means the newborn calf's immune system is slower to respond to pathogens (disease-causing bacteria, virus, or microorganism). If a calf does not get colostrum, it will die. Colostrum contains high levels of antibodies needed disease-fighting antibodies. Bovine colostrum (Lactobin, Biotest, Dreieich, FRG) contain high titers of antibodies against a wide range of bacterial, viral and protozoal pathogens as well as against various bacterial toxins. [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)] |
Crypto-Tard User ID: 69359666 United States 03/21/2020 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is incredible. Quoting: Otherguy2020 That and the idea people want a cheap easy fix so badly they are falling over themselves to get a drug that has not had any real successful clinical trial for rather it is effective against covid-19. Some of the "proof" it works has actually been faked. Broker says he wasn’t involved in producing the Google doc and would never advocate the use of a drug without formal trials. Todaro and Rigano have since removed his name from it, at Broker’s request. “I neither contributed to, wrote any part of, nor had knowledge of this google.com document. I have never conducted research on RNA virus pathogens … I have no professional credentials or authority to suggest or recommend clinical trials or practices,” Broker wrote in an email. “Apparently I was inserted as a ‘gratuitous’ author, a practice that I have always avoided over my 53-year career. Moreover, I have never engaged any part of social media, privately or professionally. All of my scientific publications are processed through peer review. I suggest that you communicate with one of the actual authors.” [link to www.wired.com (secure)] Even "studies" claiming it works have ZERO proof in clinical trials like this one. [link to www.nature.com (secure)] Is false hope really better than finding something that actually works? Big pharma at work and they are working hard. Prevent the cheap cure at all costs. The people with the bad side effects were on chloroquine for extended periods of time, due to malaria prevention. The side effects are minimal for a 6-10 day treatment course. When you are afraid of losing your life, you have already lost your life. Don't be afraid. |
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Gnarlin User ID: 78607435 United States 03/21/2020 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use of Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine, Mefloquine, Quinine, and Related Quinoline Drugs Risks Sudden and Lasting Neuropsychiatric Effects from Idiosyncratic Neurotoxicity Quoting: da kat [link to quinism.org (secure)] This is where your Herbalists come in. They are quite knowledgeable about detoxing people from certain medicines. Note: Nature makes medicines you don't have to detox from. Just sayin... Quinine comes from tree bark. Just sayin. . . Life's a journey--pack with care. |
Anonymous Coward 2 User ID: 19778563 United States 03/21/2020 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you probably need to dose yourself with zinc first, google the relationship between zinc and quinolines Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78659458 Terrible just terrible advice. Zinc attracts coronavirus. Copper repels it. Either you’re stupid or a psychopath. Please provide a link that says zinc attracts coronavirus. Thanks. |
CAPHOENIX User ID: 74066673 Ireland 03/21/2020 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At first I had no issues taking the drug but after a while I got more and more problems with it, it definitely effects your brain in some way, first thing I noticed was a weird one and is difficult to explain but i was getting these sensations like, you know when your falling over in your sleep and it wakes you up, well I was getting a similar thing but during the day, like just walking around it would happen, it also felt like when your walking down the stairs and you think you've got to the bottom but there is another step but your brain doesn't expect it and you feel like your falling through the floor (if that makes sense!) So that was weird, light headedness as well was another side effect, I couldn't go in lifts (elevators) because it seemed to trigger it. I sort of got used to this and carried on taking it, then a couple of years ago my muscles started going nuts twitching all the time and cramping up, tried everything to sort the problem, magnesium etc, but nothing would calm it down, I stopped the Hydroxychloroquine and after a few weeks things started settling down, my lupus flared up after a while so without thinking I took some Hydroxychloroquine and bang muscles going mad again, it's not a pleasant feeling. Long term use can also cause retinopathy so I had to have regular eye tests. The treatment that is being muted for Covid-19 is 500mg a day for 10 days, this short term use in my opinion will be absolutely fine for the majority of people, I've had a bad experience with long term use but I would still recommend it to family if they got sick because in the short term I had no issues and it has been proven to treat coronavirus's. There's a good video i'll post after this about the effectiveness of Hydroxchloroquine on coronavirus's. Hope this info is useful to people and you all stay safe in these tough times. *Edit... I'm no doctor this is just my own personal experience and opinion. Last Edited by Barrychuckles on 03/21/2020 12:17 PM |
da kat (OP) User ID: 78663625 United States 03/21/2020 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's the tree bark it comes from & a list of side effects. [link to www.webmd.com (secure)] There's a range of herbal alternatives that kill the virus, I'm rolling with Oregano oil, Liquorice root & Chamomile in capsules, extracts & tea. Got a sore throat 2 weeks ago, took above herbs & gargled the tinctures & it was gone in 10 minutes. From the link re the tree bark side effects: Cinchona is POSSIBLY UNSAFE when taken by mouth as a medicine. Cinchona products sold as over-the-counter (OTC) medicines are required to carry the warning, “Caution - discontinue use if ringing in the ears, deafness, skin rash, or visual disturbances occur.“ Cinchona contains quinine, which was banned by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) from sale over-the-counter for treatment of leg muscle cramps because it caused serious side effects. In large amounts, cinchona is UNSAFE and can be deadly. Symptoms of overdose include ringing of the ears, headache, nausea, diarrhea, and vision disturbances. Cinchona can also cause bleeding and allergic reactions, including hives and fever. Last Edited by da kat on 03/21/2020 12:38 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78530375 Canada 03/21/2020 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use of Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine, Mefloquine, Quinine, and Related Quinoline Drugs Risks Sudden and Lasting Neuropsychiatric Effects from Idiosyncratic Neurotoxicity Quoting: da kat [link to quinism.org (secure)] as I told you... drink tonic water. |
da kat (OP) User ID: 78663625 United States 03/21/2020 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the herbal suggestions, here's my earlier post with links to studies: Thread: 3 Top Herbs for Coronavirus |