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Dr. Birx says here very plainly that anyone who dies “with COVID-19” is being counted as having died from COVID-19.

 
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We will all have our own opinions.

I can see why we are on sh(i)tdown I don't want it but can do nothing about it.

The only option available right now is stay well by mixing as little as possible and await further instruction.

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Stay and talk.....

People are always dying here on planet earth if we worry about it like these freak doctor geeks we will all be in glass boxes like the bank of america murals. That will never work because we do not all have ingrained slave mentality no matter how they try. It's a nice thought that it would work but eventually the flu will, get you....

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This is a pandemic!

But just swept under the rug cuz it’s not pretty

In 2018, there were 67,367 drug overdose deaths in the United States, a 4.1% decline from 2017 (70,237 deaths).

The age-adjusted rate of drug overdose deaths in 2018 (20.7 per 100,000) was 4.6% lower than in 2017 (21.7).

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The 2017-18 flu season killed 80,000 and we didn’t hear a peep. This entire lockdown is a fraud being played on the world. We literally just spent 2 trillion on a fraud and destroyed our economy in the process. So stupid
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Thank you, my opinion verbatim. Shocking how many idiots there are, isn't it?

The eonomy will bounce back quickly and most can get their jobs back if they end this Monday the 15th. If they actually continue to drag it on after that, I'm hopeful the revolution will unfold.

It's time to drag these globalist assholes to the Guillotines people. When do you say enough? Révolution maintenant!
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You don't 'die from CV-19'

CV-19 is the name of the virus that infiltrates.

You die form complications due to the virus.
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Incorrect. SARS-CoV2 is the virus. CoV-19 is the disease. If you are seen in a hospital for symptoms of CoV-19 and test positive for the disease, it is coded U07.1 in ICD-10 (you must present symptoms and test positive). If you die from this disease the coroner places this as the primary reason with the co-morbidity (if any) as secondary. If the co-morbidity is the direct reason of death, then CoV-19 is secondary.

In some other countries they are allowed to use the lung signature to diagnose as code U07.2 without a test. That is NOT the practice in the US and AMA has made it that abundantly clear not to even allow that code in the ICD-10 system in the US.
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Probably because they would have to explain the broken glass lung ct vaping deaths from fall 2019 to the masses and why they were not the SARS-cov2 ground zero in the usa or something like that anyway....
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You don't 'die from CV-19'

CV-19 is the name of the virus that infiltrates.

You die form complications due to the virus.
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Incorrect. SARS-CoV2 is the virus. CoV-19 is the disease. If you are seen in a hospital for symptoms of CoV-19 and test positive for the disease, it is coded U07.1 in ICD-10 (you must present symptoms and test positive). If you die from this disease the coroner places this as the primary reason with the co-morbidity (if any) as secondary. If the co-morbidity is the direct reason of death, then CoV-19 is secondary.

In some other countries they are allowed to use the lung signature to diagnose as code U07.2 without a test. That is NOT the practice in the US and AMA has made it that abundantly clear not to even allow that code in the ICD-10 system in the US.
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Probably because they would have to explain the broken glass lung ct vaping deaths from fall 2019 to the masses and why they were not the SARS-cov2 ground zero in the usa or something like that anyway....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78697342


Or the unusually high regular flu season

While the public deals with the spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) to New York State and major regions of the United States, flu season remains underway with the latest data being reported by the CDC.

So far this season, there have been 45 million flu illnesses, at least 300,000 hospitalizations, and up to 46,000 deaths from flu, of which more than 100 are pediatric--a higher total at this point of the year than any season in the past decade.

New York State is reporting 157,426 positive cases to date, according to the CDC. The latest data (ending March 28) shows a 77% decrease in reported cases from the previous week.



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To date, the flu and pneumonia kills about 4 times more a year that corona has.
 Quoting: ~kpm~


Over a year!

The CV-19 has potential to overwhelm the health service, don't you understand this basic concept?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78730225


Our flu season is October-May normally

I’ve posted the normal hospitalizations and deaths from 2013-2020

We get overwhelmed every year at this time, They just don’t report it because it’s become the norm and it’s not news were the headlines

I completely understand the basic concept of not overwhelm in the hospitals with the novel virus all in couple months time

What I don’t agree with is total shut down
 Quoting: ~kpm~


So the flu season is used for your purpose.

Here's how it works.

Assume you own a store and you have 52,000 customers a year, 1,000 a week Then suddenly you get a surge of customers at 3,000 or 2,000 a week. How do you cope? You get more staff? A bigger store?

It's all about controlling the number that require intensive medical care at any one point in time.

So let's say this...

Hospital has capacity for 50 severe patients and they get 48 in, they will be busy but OK

Hospital gets 100 severe patients in with same bed capacity as above. They are screwed.

I can't understand why this is so difficult to comprehend.
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when someone is shot and killed, they didn't die because someone shot them - no, they died because a gun fired a bullet into the person and their skin failed to stop the bullet from ripping into them.
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You don't 'die from CV-19'

CV-19 is the name of the virus that infiltrates.

You die form complications due to the virus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78730225


Incorrect. SARS-CoV2 is the virus. CoV-19 is the disease. If you are seen in a hospital for symptoms of CoV-19 and test positive for the disease, it is coded U07.1 in ICD-10 (you must present symptoms and test positive). If you die from this disease the coroner places this as the primary reason with the co-morbidity (if any) as secondary. If the co-morbidity is the direct reason of death, then CoV-19 is secondary.

In some other countries they are allowed to use the lung signature to diagnose as code U07.2 without a test. That is NOT the practice in the US and AMA has made it that abundantly clear not to even allow that code in the ICD-10 system in the US.
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Probably because they would have to explain the broken glass lung ct vaping deaths from fall 2019 to the masses and why they were not the SARS-cov2 ground zero in the usa or something like that anyway....
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Or the unusually high regular flu season

While the public deals with the spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) to New York State and major regions of the United States, flu season remains underway with the latest data being reported by the CDC.

So far this season, there have been 45 million flu illnesses, at least 300,000 hospitalizations, and up to 46,000 deaths from flu, of which more than 100 are pediatric--a higher total at this point of the year than any season in the past decade.

New York State is reporting 157,426 positive cases to date, according to the CDC. The latest data (ending March 28) shows a 77% decrease in reported cases from the previous week.



[link to www.rochesterregional.org (secure)]
 Quoting: ~kpm~


Personally I am curious as to how many people have both Flu and COV-19 .. and how that is being reported as a case and if death occurs. Locally I have read several patients tested positive for Flu only a week later to be positive for COV-19. If they die which is it? Doesnt seem like a big deal until you look at the elderly "low hanging fruit" that Cov-19 has made perish. I can understand counting COV-19 rather than a pre-existing condition, but if they are already battling other variations of the flu at the same time AND COV-19..
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4 times as many people as normal are dying in NYC on a daily basis, they aren't making this shit up.
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That might have something to do with the fact that people are being forced to delay standard medical checkups and procedures unless they feel it's life or death. Melanoma skin cancer for example, if left unchecked, can kill a person in 60 days. There are hundreds of scenarios that could lead a person into the ICU that is not related to CV19 in any shape or form. But if you get checked in, get tested for "positive" (ie: genetic material found in your system that is amplified enough to see it, which 60% of the population has due to cellular stress) then CV19 is suddenly the "cause" of your death and you go down as another statistic.
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The majority posting here don't understand the term Novel virus.

The majority posting here don't understand why the virus can lead to death.

The majority posting here have not properly researched.

Youtube videos from some basement dwellers is not research.
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And YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND BASIC MATH.

How do you go down from 2 million dead to 100-200K in 8 days when the incubation period is 30 days?

It means they do not know what they are talking about, and you are shutting down the world economy based on Bull Shit.

Models can say anything. Bad input equals bad output.


In the meanwhile,

Deaths in U.S. from Coronavirus 2020: 12.5K
Deaths in U.S. from seasonal Flu 2020: 24K

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current US infections of the ccp-virus: 400k; deaths: 12k. current death rate 3.2%. (which i think is wrong. we should be using 'resolved' cases).

average US infection with 'seasonal' flu: 80+ million. deaths: 60k

it's not even close. seasonal flu deaths are approx 0.00075%.

stop comparing the ccp-virus to the fucking flu.
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Incorrect. SARS-CoV2 is the virus. CoV-19 is the disease. If you are seen in a hospital for symptoms of CoV-19 and test positive for the disease, it is coded U07.1 in ICD-10 (you must present symptoms and test positive). If you die from this disease the coroner places this as the primary reason with the co-morbidity (if any) as secondary. If the co-morbidity is the direct reason of death, then CoV-19 is secondary.

In some other countries they are allowed to use the lung signature to diagnose as code U07.2 without a test. That is NOT the practice in the US and AMA has made it that abundantly clear not to even allow that code in the ICD-10 system in the US.
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Probably because they would have to explain the broken glass lung ct vaping deaths from fall 2019 to the masses and why they were not the SARS-cov2 ground zero in the usa or something like that anyway....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78697342


Or the unusually high regular flu season

While the public deals with the spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) to New York State and major regions of the United States, flu season remains underway with the latest data being reported by the CDC.

So far this season, there have been 45 million flu illnesses, at least 300,000 hospitalizations, and up to 46,000 deaths from flu, of which more than 100 are pediatric--a higher total at this point of the year than any season in the past decade.

New York State is reporting 157,426 positive cases to date, according to the CDC. The latest data (ending March 28) shows a 77% decrease in reported cases from the previous week.



[link to www.rochesterregional.org (secure)]
 Quoting: ~kpm~


Personally I am curious as to how many people have both Flu and COV-19 .. and how that is being reported as a case and if death occurs. Locally I have read several patients tested positive for Flu only a week later to be positive for COV-19. If they die which is it? Doesnt seem like a big deal until you look at the elderly "low hanging fruit" that Cov-19 has made perish. I can understand counting COV-19 rather than a pre-existing condition, but if they are already battling other variations of the flu at the same time AND COV-19..
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According to Dr. Birx and other doctors on tv answering questions , they all claim it would be very rare for people to have both at the same time

How do they know that if this is novel?

Most flu and pneumonia deaths during the normal flu season affects people 60 and over the hardest, children and then immune suppressed people causing the most deaths

I don’t understand why if a cancer patient is in hospice and they happen to contract it that’s it’s counted as a corona death

They should have a separate column counting it as a contributing factor not as the reason for in some cases
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there are only 2 outcomes when a person gets infected with any virus: you either A) get better or B) die.

when we use the 'resolved' cases; cases that have had an outcome, we see (US): 12,837 deaths & 25,217 recovered which equals to a death rate of 50.9%. we need to start using the resolved case numbers because in the end, this will be the true number.
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The condescending affectation in her voice is almost unbearable.
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You don't 'die from CV-19'

CV-19 is the name of the virus that infiltrates.

You die form complications due to the virus.
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Incorrect. SARS-CoV2 is the virus. CoV-19 is the disease. If you are seen in a hospital for symptoms of CoV-19 and test positive for the disease, it is coded U07.1 in ICD-10 (you must present symptoms and test positive). If you die from this disease the coroner places this as the primary reason with the co-morbidity (if any) as secondary. If the co-morbidity is the direct reason of death, then CoV-19 is secondary.

In some other countries they are allowed to use the lung signature to diagnose as code U07.2 without a test. That is NOT the practice in the US and AMA has made it that abundantly clear not to even allow that code in the ICD-10 system in the US.
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Probably because they would have to explain the broken glass lung ct vaping deaths from fall 2019 to the masses and why they were not the SARS-cov2 ground zero in the usa or something like that anyway....
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Or the unusually high regular flu season

While the public deals with the spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) to New York State and major regions of the United States, flu season remains underway with the latest data being reported by the CDC.

So far this season, there have been 45 million flu illnesses, at least 300,000 hospitalizations, and up to 46,000 deaths from flu, of which more than 100 are pediatric--a higher total at this point of the year than any season in the past decade.

New York State is reporting 157,426 positive cases to date, according to the CDC. The latest data (ending March 28) shows a 77% decrease in reported cases from the previous week.



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 Quoting: ~kpm~


Yep. A slowly increasing culling maybe. I recall them also saying flu type B was more prevalent this season as well.
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Read an article this morning claiming 200 deaths at home in NYC,
up from 20-25 pre-pandemic.

The conclusion:

They must all be un-diagnosed COVID-19.

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No, Dumbasses. You have everyone scared to go to the hospital
where they would have been treated or died ,
from whatever the cause, stroke, heart attack, etc.

You just know Birx and Fauci will be clamoring for these to be
classed COVID deaths to drive the numbers up.

"FEAR! GET YOUR VACCINE! WE NEED MORE DEAD TO PUSH A VACCINE!"

"We don't have enough! DIE FROM COVID! DIE FROM COVID!"

:vaccineforce:
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Sums it up for me! ^^^
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We need a new category for deaths "died from covid19 response"
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It's now patently obvious that Gates and Co are pushing Fauci (aka Fauxi) and Birx to 'sex-up' the CV-19 fear and spread-numbers in order to justify their
(hoped-for MANDATORY) vaccine legislation and an implant-chipping of the herd/masses.

Sorry, as it now stands, I can come to no other conclusion today than this one...
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What if they were in a car accident and got decapitated? Covid-19?
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Got fam in the hospitals.Heart attacks even being counted.I am sure they get a premium or bounty for every virus related death.Also those refrigerated trucks are for show. When things are slow the usual is"if they have insurance,admit them".Fill beds ,we all know people who run to the ER every time they have a panic attack.They are usually admitted for"tests".I have health ins thru my job.Have used less than 10 times in 25 years.
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It's now patently obvious that Gates and Co are pushing Fauci (aka Fauxi) and Birx to 'sex-up' the CV-19 fear and spread-numbers in order to justify their
(hoped-for MANDATORY) vaccine legislation and an implant-chipping of the herd/masses.

Sorry, as it now stands, I can come to no other conclusion today than this one...
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Sure, this is -possible-. However, I don't see it as likely. Why would Gates and company want to chip everyone? Why would they want mass vaccinations?

Gates is looking for ways to spend money, not make it, so can't be that. For power? Perhaps, but if he was power hungry, he had many easier ways far earlier than today.

If you take the occam's razor approach, the panic is just that. Panic. People have watched too many sci-fi movies and are just afraid of dying of some unseen malady. The people in government are people, too, and panic happens there just as in regular folks.

I still can't get my head around why, though, even if the simplest solution is often correct. Even with the natural human instinct to fright of the unknown, why have governments world wide brought their GDP to a screeching halt? That's terrible for elected officials wanting reelection, of for monarchs hoping to stay in power.

Just doesn't make sense to me (yet).

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Birx's daughter works for Bill and Melinda Gates.

This is all a scam, folks. A scam to get billions and billions for a vaccine... that's why they fight this malaria medication. They can't make any money from it.
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Maybe if we have big numbers it will be easier to claim damage from China.
India has already filed suit against them in
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What if they were in a car accident and got decapitated? Covid-19?
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Yes, but that head (when they finally found it) was full of congestion, sooo...Covid 19
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The numbers from the US are now as suspect as those from China.
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What if they were in a car accident and got decapitated? Covid-19?
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Probably because they would have to explain the broken glass lung ct vaping deaths from fall 2019 to the masses and why they were not the SARS-cov2 ground zero in the usa or something like that anyway....
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Or the unusually high regular flu season

While the public deals with the spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) to New York State and major regions of the United States, flu season remains underway with the latest data being reported by the CDC.

So far this season, there have been 45 million flu illnesses, at least 300,000 hospitalizations, and up to 46,000 deaths from flu, of which more than 100 are pediatric--a higher total at this point of the year than any season in the past decade.

New York State is reporting 157,426 positive cases to date, according to the CDC. The latest data (ending March 28) shows a 77% decrease in reported cases from the previous week.



[link to www.rochesterregional.org (secure)]
 Quoting: ~kpm~


Personally I am curious as to how many people have both Flu and COV-19 .. and how that is being reported as a case and if death occurs. Locally I have read several patients tested positive for Flu only a week later to be positive for COV-19. If they die which is it? Doesnt seem like a big deal until you look at the elderly "low hanging fruit" that Cov-19 has made perish. I can understand counting COV-19 rather than a pre-existing condition, but if they are already battling other variations of the flu at the same time AND COV-19..
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According to Dr. Birx and other doctors on tv answering questions , they all claim it would be very rare for people to have both at the same time

How do they know that if this is novel?

Most flu and pneumonia deaths during the normal flu season affects people 60 and over the hardest, children and then immune suppressed people causing the most deaths

I don’t understand why if a cancer patient is in hospice and they happen to contract it that’s it’s counted as a corona death

They should have a separate column counting it as a contributing factor not as the reason for in some cases
 Quoting: ~kpm~


They are constantly mixing “infected with some virus” and “tested to have some virus”.

So a person can be infected and sick with flu and tested CV19 positive.

It all depends on a test. If they did quantitative CV19 tests (identifying how much CV19 you have), it would make sense.

But they don’t test for ‘infected with CV19”, they only test for “tested positive to have CV”.

Another thing nobody is noticing. They always reply with “bad lack” being infected with two viruses. They don’t give numbers of that luck. And they don’t explain the mechanism. If “bad luck” means close to zero then why not to infect us all with some kind of a virus that is not dangerous for our health thus preventing CV19 and even all strains of flu infections?
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It's now patently obvious that Gates and Co are pushing Fauci (aka Fauxi) and Birx to 'sex-up' the CV-19 fear and spread-numbers in order to justify their
(hoped-for MANDATORY) vaccine legislation and an implant-chipping of the herd/masses.

Sorry, as it now stands, I can come to no other conclusion today than this one...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72530233


Sure, this is -possible-. However, I don't see it as likely. Why would Gates and company want to chip everyone? Why would they want mass vaccinations?

Gates is looking for ways to spend money, not make it, so can't be that. For power? Perhaps, but if he was power hungry, he had many easier ways far earlier than today.

If you take the occam's razor approach, the panic is just that. Panic. People have watched too many sci-fi movies and are just afraid of dying of some unseen malady. The people in government are people, too, and panic happens there just as in regular folks.

I still can't get my head around why, though, even if the simplest solution is often correct. Even with the natural human instinct to fright of the unknown, why have governments world wide brought their GDP to a screeching halt? That's terrible for elected officials wanting reelection, of for monarchs hoping to stay in power.

Just doesn't make sense to me (yet).

cheers
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This might make you laugh. We're not the only ones questioning Bill Gates and his motives:

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Re: Dr. Birx says here very plainly that anyone who dies “with COVID-19” is being counted as having died from COVID-19.
It's now patently obvious that Gates and Co are pushing Fauci (aka Fauxi) and Birx to 'sex-up' the CV-19 fear and spread-numbers in order to justify their
(hoped-for MANDATORY) vaccine legislation and an implant-chipping of the herd/masses.

Sorry, as it now stands, I can come to no other conclusion today than this one...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72530233


Sure, this is -possible-. However, I don't see it as likely. Why would Gates and company want to chip everyone? Why would they want mass vaccinations?

Gates is looking for ways to spend money, not make it, so can't be that. For power? Perhaps, but if he was power hungry, he had many easier ways far earlier than today.

If you take the occam's razor approach, the panic is just that. Panic. People have watched too many sci-fi movies and are just afraid of dying of some unseen malady. The people in government are people, too, and panic happens there just as in regular folks.

I still can't get my head around why, though, even if the simplest solution is often correct. Even with the natural human instinct to fright of the unknown, why have governments world wide brought their GDP to a screeching halt? That's terrible for elected officials wanting reelection, of for monarchs hoping to stay in power.

Just doesn't make sense to me (yet).

cheers
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This might make you laugh. We're not the only ones questioning Bill Gates and his motives:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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Chipped so you cannot fake a Doctors note saying that you got the shot, when you didn't. Also to track all people in the world, so he knows the accurate die off rate, compared to total population.
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Probably because they would have to explain the broken glass lung ct vaping deaths from fall 2019 to the masses and why they were not the SARS-cov2 ground zero in the usa or something like that anyway....
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Or the unusually high regular flu season

While the public deals with the spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) to New York State and major regions of the United States, flu season remains underway with the latest data being reported by the CDC.

So far this season, there have been 45 million flu illnesses, at least 300,000 hospitalizations, and up to 46,000 deaths from flu, of which more than 100 are pediatric--a higher total at this point of the year than any season in the past decade.

New York State is reporting 157,426 positive cases to date, according to the CDC. The latest data (ending March 28) shows a 77% decrease in reported cases from the previous week.



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 Quoting: ~kpm~


Personally I am curious as to how many people have both Flu and COV-19 .. and how that is being reported as a case and if death occurs. Locally I have read several patients tested positive for Flu only a week later to be positive for COV-19. If they die which is it? Doesnt seem like a big deal until you look at the elderly "low hanging fruit" that Cov-19 has made perish. I can understand counting COV-19 rather than a pre-existing condition, but if they are already battling other variations of the flu at the same time AND COV-19..
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According to Dr. Birx and other doctors on tv answering questions , they all claim it would be very rare for people to have both at the same time

How do they know that if this is novel?

Most flu and pneumonia deaths during the normal flu season affects people 60 and over the hardest, children and then immune suppressed people causing the most deaths

I don’t understand why if a cancer patient is in hospice and they happen to contract it that’s it’s counted as a corona death

They should have a separate column counting it as a contributing factor not as the reason for in some cases
 Quoting: ~kpm~


I reread several article about possibility of getting infected and sick from both flu and CV19 and most reasonable answer is yes, nothing prevents from it. Because flu and CV9 are using different receptors to get into the cell.

But nobody is doing tests to confirm or deny it. So the answer is nobody knows or even tries to know.

On the contrary, they are saying that they are trying to do a set of flu tests first and if one of them is positive, they are not doing CV19 tests.

But there is a catch. If this season the number of flu cases/deaths is significantly lower than average it means a lot of laboratories do not follow the ‘flu first, CV19 next” principles and either doing CV19 first or do flu and CV19 together and if CV19 is positive, report it asCV19.

Anyway, complete analysis of current numbers can reveal everything and for some reason those who are supposed to investigate this do nothing.
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And yet the news articles will continue using the phrase, "Has died from COVID-19".

When this is settling down there should be a huge revolt against MSM, doctors and Government.
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What is interesting is even with this dishonest attempt to jack up the death count, the death count is still absurdly low!
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Or the unusually high regular flu season

While the public deals with the spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) to New York State and major regions of the United States, flu season remains underway with the latest data being reported by the CDC.

So far this season, there have been 45 million flu illnesses, at least 300,000 hospitalizations, and up to 46,000 deaths from flu, of which more than 100 are pediatric--a higher total at this point of the year than any season in the past decade.

New York State is reporting 157,426 positive cases to date, according to the CDC. The latest data (ending March 28) shows a 77% decrease in reported cases from the previous week.



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 Quoting: ~kpm~


Personally I am curious as to how many people have both Flu and COV-19 .. and how that is being reported as a case and if death occurs. Locally I have read several patients tested positive for Flu only a week later to be positive for COV-19. If they die which is it? Doesnt seem like a big deal until you look at the elderly "low hanging fruit" that Cov-19 has made perish. I can understand counting COV-19 rather than a pre-existing condition, but if they are already battling other variations of the flu at the same time AND COV-19..
 Quoting: MaximusRex


According to Dr. Birx and other doctors on tv answering questions , they all claim it would be very rare for people to have both at the same time

How do they know that if this is novel?

Most flu and pneumonia deaths during the normal flu season affects people 60 and over the hardest, children and then immune suppressed people causing the most deaths

I don’t understand why if a cancer patient is in hospice and they happen to contract it that’s it’s counted as a corona death

They should have a separate column counting it as a contributing factor not as the reason for in some cases
 Quoting: ~kpm~


I reread several article about possibility of getting infected and sick from both flu and CV19 and most reasonable answer is yes, nothing prevents from it. Because flu and CV9 are using different receptors to get into the cell.

But nobody is doing tests to confirm or deny it. So the answer is nobody knows or even tries to know.

On the contrary, they are saying that they are trying to do a set of flu tests first and if one of them is positive, they are not doing CV19 tests.

But there is a catch. If this season the number of flu cases/deaths is significantly lower than average it means a lot of laboratories do not follow the ‘flu first, CV19 next” principles and either doing CV19 first or do flu and CV19 together and if CV19 is positive, report it asCV19.

Anyway, complete analysis of current numbers can reveal everything and for some reason those who are supposed to investigate this do nothing.
 Quoting: dmk


I really see no reason why you couldn’t be infected with both
~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~





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