Your fake bible creator God- the demiurge - is a liar

If Adam and Eve didn't die than where are they.

They did die.
The day they sinned, they were forced out of eternity ( higher dimension) and entered “time” where entropy and corruption rule.

Religious fuckwads... always finding an answer.

Adam and Eve were never immortal. Their lifespan was shortened after the fall.

The "God" who created this world fucked it up.

And then he blamed you, you vile sinner, for his "fallen" world.

We didn't ask to be born into this shithole. We are captives here. The demiurge uses fear to keep us at bay just like the powers that be use fear to control us.

Why do you think the people who run the world are all evil? Because they faithfully serve the demiurge.

Gnostics are freaking morans..


Seriously, you guys are so lost it's not even funny. Gnosticism has been debunked 7000 times over.


It's the same lie told over and over again.


Why do you people fall for it?


There is POWER in the name of Jesus Christ (Yeshua Hamachiac), and there is absolutely no denying it.

If Gnostics were correct, then why do Demons, Aliens, Spirits and all other entities RUN AWAY from the name of Jesus?

Jesus Christ wins, and there is no stopping him. Sorrry to hurt you feelings moran...

Wouldn't either one say this? Both revere Jesus I thought.

European philosophy sucks ass.

reading what you fucking idiots believe in a a discuss really makes clear the importance of book burning from time to time.

seriously, do europeans realize that their cultural legacy is mental garbage?

Humans consist of a flesh body, a mind, and a spirit. The spirit part of them died and was cut off from God, if they would have passed the test they would still be alive today.

God did not say die immediately. Adam did die physicall.. read your bible. But some would argue that they died spiritually and the physical death followed.

Is that all you got OP????



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It’s never been debunked

Jesus Christ death cultists fucked you to this point, and the idea of God is a mental prison.

Find something new.

this is a completely fake bible story... and heaven only knows why.

your only trying to convince yourself, deep down inside you know your going to hell

NOPE sure isn't. what is fake? urantia and its multiple "sons"...now there is some fake as hell junk.

"Demiurge"?

It's hilarious that you gnostics glorify Thomas...

...and yet the quotes of Jesus he recorded talk about...

..."the Father".

Jesus' Father - OUR Father.

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Saying 44: Blasphemy

Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes the Son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, neither on earth nor in heaven."

You should for poor grammar

It is not too late. Repent and accept Jesus into your hrart.

It is not fear, but rather love, true unconditional Agape love.

That was what Adam taught Eve, God never said anything about not touching the fruit. No wonder He would not let her die alone. (that and being made 'one flesh' when a man and woman are married)

From Adam to Moses time was like it will be for the 1,000 years. That period will be called 'one day'. God told Adam he would die the same day he sinned. Adam died at the age of 930 years (Eve died at the same time), that is 70 years short of being older than 'one day'. God would have had to sent them to the fiery lake so he cut them down before that and now they will be part of the living. Moses was cut down at the age of 120 for the same reason. Old age is 120 years as determined in Ge:6. The odds are high that Cain was under a 'hands off' rule so God could take away his breath of life at that age rather than letting him live 100's of years like some of his relatives did.

There is nothing to say that Satan knew anything that went on in the garden between Adam and God. In the view of a being that had been with God from the start of day1 of creation what he said was true as he would have known about the 1,000 year reign and the judgment of angels and then the judgment of mankind at the Great White Throne event as that is when Angels are perfected enough that they can be given in marriage.
The people alive at the start of the 1,000 years are like angels at the start of day1. They did all the 'stone work' and mankind will make it into a garden like the Ge:2 version of creation on this earth.
By the time mankind has completed that task they are as wise as the 'sons of God' are in Ge:6 only they are sinless. The not being married only applies to that group, they will live inside New Jerusalem in the new earth era and the flock will spread out to all four corners of the universe.

Short math question about 'what are the odds'.

The 1,000 year group are like Angels as far as being immortals and not given in marriage and wise about all things to do with the places mentioned in Ge:1:1.
When the universe is full the next harvest to the 3rd heaven (Mount Sion) will take place and the people who have been in New Jerusalem would be the first to be gathered to that same place and this time they stay there. Being perfected they can be given in marriage and that would mean a single child that is perfect already would be born. As an inheritance the 'parents' do what God and the Holy Spirit did in Ge:1:1.
The problem: the people in the city do not know that the universe looks like, before or after so how do they create a heaven when they have never left 'earth'.
Solution: The men sent to hell are the last ones to be saved, the angels sent to the fiery lake are the last to be gathered as far as 'heavenly beings' are concerned. They happen to show up in that same 3rd heaven at the same time that the first people that are their equal show up and the now holy angels invite the people to 'go for a ride' into the 'city of God' that is Mount Sion in whole. The 4 Beasts around the throne in Re:4 represents who will be the 'guides' for the newly weds and when that marriage is perfected they have a child and create a place where their only child will find the person who will be His wife.
Mary of Bethany is the beloved Disciple and she alone is the one on a mountain top (the moon) and watch New Jerusalem descend to this earth that is a ball of glass thanks to the fire God used to send fallen angels to the fiery lake in the first place.
If Satan and the others knew what they were doing in Ge:6 then they were making room for angels who never sinned to have children. 2/3 enter Mount Sion at the Great White Throne event and they stay there because they are perfected and that is their promised 'new heaven'. They are paired off and each couple will have one child. Oddly enough that brings the number back to the same number that were created at the start of day1 of creation. Adam and Eve are modeled after God and the Holy Spirit. Their 'parents' were used as seeds for all other flesh that Adam and Eve were given dominion over.
Final question is this huge bit of speculation. Yes, there is more to the story.

Prove it is a lie or debunked? Christ WAS a Gnostic, that's the cover up lies.

We have said that, according to the Gnostic interpretation of Genesis, the creator god imprisoned Adam and Eve in a world of misery and gave them a subservient soul. The bible says that after eating the forbidden fruit Adam and Eve hid themselves, ashamed by the mistake they had made. God arrived in paradise and called Adam with these words: "Where are you?" He appeared to be acting like a master calling his servant. When he didn't find him, he seemed to be saying: "Where are you? Where have you hidden yourself? What have you done? Why are you not here working?"

This creator god created Adam and Eve incapable of distinguishing between good and evil, between the uncreated kingdom and the created one. He also created them ignorant of their origin and their destiny.

Why did he create them like this? According to Gnosis, the creator didn't want man to know his true origin. This world was created against the will of the Unknowable God and this was something the creator did not want man to know. He didn't want them (and still doesn't) to know the Spiritual situation in which they were living, who they were or why they had been created. He wanted them to remain ignorant and still does so to this day. This is why he forbade them to eat from the tree of knowledge. Because it would "open their eyes", wake them up and make them notice who they were and where they came from, the situation they were in and what they had to do. It would make them aware that Eden wasn't paradise, but just the opposite.

In his book "La franc-maçonnerie", Father Leon Meurin describes the Gnostic interpretations of the earthly paradise and the Serpent of Genesis, and the following ideas come up: Jehovah does not want man to know his origin or his great destiny. He forbids all contact with the higher world. He wants man to be a reflection of him, the creator, and not a reflection of the Supreme God.

But man did wake up, and he did become aware of good and evil. How did he manage to do this? The Serpent of temptation in Eden fed him the forbidden fruit which opened his eyes. According to Gnostics this Serpent is Lucifer, the Messenger of Light. This is the meaning of the word Lucifer: Bearer of Light. Lucifer took the form of a serpent to wake man up. He is a Messenger of the Supreme God, the Unknowable God. He is a Messenger of the True God who came into this imperfect, inadequate and wretched world to wake up and liberate man, to show him his true situation and what his great destiny could be like. For this reason, those who follow the orders of the creator god consider the serpent to be something malicious and satanic and in all this confusion liken it with satan.

On the other hand, Gnostics see the Serpent Lucifer as a saviour, someone who came to save man, a Messenger of the True God. This Serpent of Enlightenment which brought Gnosis, Gnostic truth which allows the authentic and true nature of things to be seen in this world of confusion, came to liberate man. Lucifer is the true liberator of man. He came to liberate man from the tyranny of Yahve, from the tyranny of the creator god. He brought the real knowledge that in itself can free man and help him to escape from this satanic world and return to the world from which he came.

This Serpent is, for Gnostics, the Serpent of Salvation, the Serpent which opened the eyes of man, which offered him the apple of emancipation to help him wake up and free himself from this world of misery and impure matter.

The creator wanted to create man like the other living beings, incapable of distinguishing between good and evil but the Serpent's actions woke them up and liberated them. According to Gnostics, this knowledge, this Gnosis which the Serpent Lucifer brought to man, undoubtedly caused a great cosmic disturbance in the creation. This is how powerful this knowledge is. Gnosis causes changes in those who receive it, in those who listen to it because it is not common or current knowledge, it is liberating knowledge.

There is an interesting book written by Ernst Bloch called "Atheism in Christianity", which gives a good synthesis of this whole aspect of Gnostic thought, the aspect related to the Serpent of Liberation as a Messenger of the True God.

Gnostics of later times, at the beginning of Christianity, who came to be known as Christian Gnostics or Gnostic Christians, regarded Christ as the Serpent of Genesis. This was because Christ, much later than the events in the earthly paradise, came carrying a liberating message, just like the Serpent. A message which frees man from this impure world. These Christian Gnostics believe that it was this knowledge which allowed man to make contact with the other world, the one opposed to the demiurge: the unknowable world of the True God.

Christ, the bearer of this message, this Gnosis, has been likened to the Serpent of Genesis, who returns to Earth for a second time to help humanity. The first coming was Serpent Lucifer and the second was Christ Lucifer. According to christian Gnosis, when Christ came to the world, it was his second time, since the first time was in the earthly paradise. In both cases it was, actually, Lucifer, the Messenger of the Unknowable. In both cases, the message was the same: Gnosis that disturbs, causes changes, wakes up and liberates those who listen to it. For Christian Gnostics, the Serpent is Christ, the Saviour who came to this world twice.

There is a Gnostic diagram of a crucified serpent, hammered onto a cross, which further shows the Gnostic identity between the Serpent of Genesis and Christ. There are myths which state that the cross on which Christ was crucified was made of wood from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

There was a time when all this knowledge was written down and passed on. But this period lasted until the "conversion" of Constantine and the reinforcement of the roman church as the official religion of the Roman Empire. Since then, books and documents about Gnosis have been forbidden, persecuted and destroyed. Very few of these texts remain.

I have a theory - the Bible is a manuscript for the evil people to roll out their evil schemes

Just how do the demoncrap leaders know how to out in HR6666 as a bill for covid?

Or Billy Gates' 66666 patent no.??

otherwise where do they get their ideas from?

They DID die, spiritually. And they started to die physically on that very day.

And speaking of "days", the bible says that to God, a thousand years is like a day, and a day like a thousand years.

God said, "In the day that you eat thereof, you will surely die."

Guess what...

No man EVER lived more than 1,000 years, including Adam and Eve.

So according to the word of God, and to God's OWN gauge, they DID die on that very day, both spiritually AND physically.

Don't believe it?

Who gives a shit?

Doesn't affect the truth, OR me.

Wow... That is one seriously lost soul ^^^

the LORD God was vague and wishywashy about the consequences

God was/is right. They did die in both a physical and spiritual sense. They lost their divinity and immortality when they disobeyed God's Word. They were cast out to live as humans, to have children in the physical way/world humans do and age and die.

The assumption is that they would die instantly upon eating it, God did not say WHEN they would die, only that if they ate of the forbidden fruit, they would die... eventually.

You bring human scope and human time frames to an Eternal God that is beyond such limited perceptions. This is where humans often fail when trying to understand God. Your little brains can't fathom eternity and tiny ripples in time and space that can effect all things forward and back.

Eve ruined everything, for the record. All on Eve. That basic bitch.

Elohim = female form and plural

......created JHVH from Adam(kadmun)' dust?


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