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Why the Rapture may be sooner than many people think.

 
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The Man Who Carried Jesus’ Cross: The Hidden Significance of Simon of Cyrene’s Sons

"Simon of Cyrene met Jesus in the most unusual way. Mark and Luke tell us he was coming back from the country. Whether out of curiosity or just being stuck in foot traffic, Simon ends up being a bystander to Jesus making his way to Golgotha. Weakened from the flogging, Jesus could no longer carry his cross by himself. Whether Simon felt any sympathy for Jesus or not, Roman soldiers forced him to help Jesus bear the weight of the cross the rest of the way. Coming face to face with the Man from Galilee in such a fashion would likely leave a lasting impression, and so his inclusion in the gospels makes sense.

But what is odd is Mark’s naming of his sons, as if they meant something to his audience. Notice that Matthew and Luke omit the names of his sons:

As they went out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name. They compelled this man to carry his cross. (Matthew 27:32)

And as they led him away, they seized one Simon of Cyrene, who was coming in from the country, and laid on him the cross, to carry it behind Jesus. (Luke 23:26)

But notice that Mark calls them out by name:

And they compelled a passerby, Simon of Cyrene, who was coming in from the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to carry his cross. (Mark 15:21)

What’s the point of Mark giving us their names, especially when so many others in the gospels go unnamed?..."


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Do you think pardoning a black male murderer would have gone over so well?
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You miss my point (as usual).

A black man carrying the cross has nothing to do with a black man obtaining forgiveness in the Collective Conscious.

I have no idea why I waste my time; I am a martyr to my own generosity.
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Surrender and be Born Again.

Surrender; to give up, to yield power to another
Being Born Again; The work of the Holy Spirit.

Many have their own interpretation of God's message.
They insist they CAN and MUST make it happen in their own strength. (Demanding others to do likewise)
To them, being the "very" elect or even to be born again means to strive real, real hard to trust in God.
It is exhausting to be a religious person like that.

Saying things like, "weak Christians are not willing to trust God enough.." in effect, saying it is a work of man and not a free gift from God.

They believe they have to "trust God enough" to go through the Great Tribulation.
Some believe they will "be tested" by suffering through God's Wrath on earth for the last 3 1/2 years to endure to the very end.

Collecting a handful of bible verses to prove their stubborn stand (of no rapture), they will not be persuaded from their position.
I do not argue with them anymore. They believe what they believe.

Genesis 5 tells of Enoch, who walked with God and was taken into Heaven.
God took Enoch.
Raptured him.
That is enough for me to know that God can rapture anybody He chooses.

Believe in the rapture or don't.

To forsake this world & commit to follow Jesus Christ is an astonishing achievement that can only be attributed to God's redeeming power. To surrender and be born again is a work of God. It is GODS WORK.
It is God at work IN YOU that enables you to believe and do His Will. (Phil 2)

Some men try to take credit for what God does and they are called Religious.
Religion can't save you.
Even if you trust real, real hard.

For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment) Christs' Salvation is the gift of God - a washing of the new birth and the giving of new life in the Holy Spirit.

Surrender
Be Born Again
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Amen!!!! Very eloquent brother/sister
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I would find it far easier to accept a Redeemer if I did not have before Me so many examples of the Redeemed!
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Some one should give that guy a job with The Times; he could go places...
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Do you think pardoning a black male murderer would have gone over so well?
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Simon of Cyrene

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You miss my point (as usual).

A black man carrying the cross has nothing to do with a black man obtaining forgiveness in the Collective Conscious.

I have no idea why I waste my time; I am a martyr to my own generosity.
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Your point was not my point. Your typical point merely reminded me of something you never knew... and somebody else appreciates it... Gratitude or Ingratitude..
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The Antichrist and The Restrainer - Chuck Missler


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The Restrainer, the Holy Spirit, who indwells Believers, must be removed, The Rapture, before The Antichrist is revealed.

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Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first,
and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped,
so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


2 Thessalonians 2:3,4


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"The word in the Greek is "apostasia." That word can mean one of two things; it can mean a falling away of the faith, like apostasy. It can also mean the falling or catching away.
You can make a competent case, if you're a Greek expert, that this term "apostasia" here is referring to the Rapture, but I'm not going to make that case because I don't need to..."


Chuck Missler on Harpazo: the Restrainer, the Day of the Lord and the Antichrist [Part 2]


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Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first,
and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped,
so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.



2 Thessalonians 2:3,4



For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work;
only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth
and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan,
with all power, signs, and lying wonders


2 Thessalonians 2:7-9
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I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me;
if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.


John 5:43
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for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first



hmm
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the Geneva bible translation...

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

who is departing... the body of Christ
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Get out of here with your Juw Prophecy.
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:portx: I think that you have a nasty surprise coming to you.
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She right!
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Do you think pardoning a black male murderer would have gone over so well?
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Simon of Cyrene

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You miss my point (as usual).

A black man carrying the cross has nothing to do with a black man obtaining forgiveness in the Collective Conscious.

I have no idea why I waste my time; I am a martyr to my own generosity.
 Quoting: semiramis 78842417

Your point was not my point. Your typical point merely reminded me of something you never knew... and somebody else appreciates it... Gratitude or Ingratitude..
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Since you are incapable of grasping witty insults; here is an insult down at your level:

STFU you retard.
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There is a war coming...

How do you know?

Because we're going to start it!
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growlbear And Jesus Christ is going to end it. And it wont be pretty, here's the biblical story of how the Prophet Elijah had the 850 false priests of Baal slaughtered. FIRE STARTER?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

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Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first,
and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped,
so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


2 Thessalonians 2:3,4


For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work;
only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth
and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan,
with all power, signs, and lying wonders


2 Thessalonians 2:7-9
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I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me;
if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.


John 5:43
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73998600

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75932779


for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first


hmm
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the Geneva bible translation...

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

who is departing... the body of Christ

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hmm
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There is a war coming...

How do you know?

Because we're going to start it!
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:growlbear: And Jesus Christ is going to end it. And it wont be pretty, here's the biblical story of how the Prophet Elijah had the 850 false priests of Baal slaughtered. FIRE STARTER?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

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Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

"False" Priests?

Define "false".

I will do it for you...

One who does not lick the Judeo-Christian God's Ass...

An entity sooooooo jealous and sooo pathetic; like a 5 year old who did not get His way...

And anyone who "worships" this immature beast is even more pathetic.
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And don't give Me that shit about Baal and "child sacrifices"; that is more Judeo Christain Propaganda.

Here is THE TRUTH:

The Judeo Christian God drowned everyone and every thing at the Flood; He is a Mass Murderer extraordinaire; AND HE IS PROUD OF IT AND READILY ADMITS IT.

SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT WHO IS GOOD AND WHO IS EVIL
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was your thread at first. I honestly don't agree with you most of the time (still don't in this instance), but I do understand your faith. I'm probably going to hell either way, but I still believe that the church will be here in the tribulation. Most people say "it's the two witnesses", or " it's the 144k", when I say, but who will be here to lead the unbelievers to Jesus? I understand wanting to escape everything, but when I was a practicing Christian, I wholeheartedly believed that I would see the tribulation, and that my purpose was to plant seeds.

Now, though I am living in my rebellion, I would beg God to let me stay and lead a few more to him. Ugh, thank you for the thread. hf
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put That's alright sometimes I wonder myself. Living in Europe

your 8 or 9pm is the middle of the night for me. So now it's early evening for me (+5 hours EDT) and I've about 3 pages of replies to go through just to catch up. LOL

You do not appear to have gasped the concept that after the Rapture the Church Age is over. Except for small faithful churches scattered here and there, the rest are just useless dead wood led by lukewarm pastors. My understanding is that the Rapture will wake up many of those who have been left behind and they will be saved by a direct and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. As indeed am I and many others in the here and now. Sad to say, but my impression from your reply is that you are lacking that direct relationship yourself.

But you are right in that "my purpose was to plant seeds." But that's in the here and now, not some indefinite date in the future when you might not even be here. Don't worry I'm sure that the Lord will find plenty for you to do in heaven, but first of all you have to rekindle that relationship.That requires personal prayer and a personal relationship, don't let various doctrines and old beliefs hold you back and confuse you. What was good will still be good, and what was error will fall away. Make a start today, set aside a half hour of quiet time (Many Christians nowadays get in their cars and go somewhere quiet if they live in a busy household.) I do pray that things will go well for you. hf
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Thank you. hf So your position is that the "last chance" is only up to the rapture? The gospel is not spread anymore after the rapture, and anyone left behind is basically on their own with God? That makes the idea make more sense. And my conviction to plant seeds was not necessarily meant for tribulation, but simply before it's too late....
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And don't give Me that shit about Baal and "child sacrifices"; that is more Judeo ……………. Propaganda.

Here is THE TRUTH:

rant...………………...

SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT WHO IS GOOD AND WHO IS EVIL
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sitquiet People like you actually serve a useful purpose. You have come on this thread these last couple of days

and made 60 or so posts absolutely overflowing with uncontroled anger, venom, spite and lies. What is the average reader who wants to know more about the Rapture to think of it all? Because it is people like you who are going to rule the roost after we have been taken out of the way, for a very short season.

I can understand your anger, because the bible states that the Devil will be filled with it because he knows that his time is short and obviously as you are one of his minions, you reflect the will of your master. I very much hope that lukewarm Christians and other people searching for the truth will take note of it, because if they are left behind then they will be at the mercy of people like you.

As for you, assuming that you actually survive until the day that the Lord returns, you will face eternity with your face literally covered in shame. That I believe will smell and feel just as bad a million years hence, as it did on they day that your face was smeared in it. You will be tormented in the presence of the angels who will look on you narrowly as they will be aware of all the evil that you did during your lifetime. And then one awful day you will be cast alive into the lake of fire, there to have the smoke of your torment rising up for ever and ever.

However despite all your evil ways, you have still been blessed with a little time while you can repent and be saved. Don't waste it.

Mal 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
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And don't give Me that shit about Baal and "child sacrifices"; that is more Judeo ……………. Propaganda.

Here is THE TRUTH:

rant...………………...

SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT WHO IS GOOD AND WHO IS EVIL
 Quoting: Semiramis 78842417


sitquiet People like you actually serve a useful purpose. You have come on this thread these last couple of days

and made 60 or so posts absolutely overflowing with uncontroled anger, venom, spite and lies. What is the average reader who wants to know more about the Rapture to think of it all? Because it is people like you who are going to rule the roost after we have been taken out of the way, for a very short season.

I can understand your anger, because the bible states that the Devil will be filled with it because he knows that his time is short and obviously as you are one of his minions, you reflect the will of your master. I very much hope that lukewarm Christians and other people searching for the truth will take note of it, because if they are left behind then they will be at the mercy of people like you.

As for you, assuming that you actually survive until the day that the Lord returns, you will face eternity with your face literally covered in shame. That I believe will smell and feel just as bad a million years hence, as it did on they day that your face was smeared in it. You will be tormented in the presence of the angels who will look on you narrowly as they will be aware of all the evil that you did during your lifetime. And then one awful day you will be cast alive into the lake of fire, there to have the smoke of your torment rising up for ever and ever.

However despite all your evil ways, you have still been blessed with a little time while you can repent and be saved. Don't waste it.

Mal 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
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she's angry becoz of the depth of lies and destruction forced upon people through deception, torture and death...... I'm don't mean to speak for her, but this is my take..... yeah, i'm angry against this god of this world..... and the people who are just too afraid to really LOOK at this cult... are the most frustrating of all.
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The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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bridec...……. The days of plenty are over....…….bridea

The days of grinding poverty and unimageable hardship are nearly upon us. The Corona Virus is just on of many manmade plagues that can be unleashed upon us at any time. Except for a few, all the rest of our leaders have made their deal with the devil. He wants to drag you down to hell with him, and if you are still here after the Rapture it will be because of your wilful blindness.

You have still been blessed with a little time, so don't waste it. You could get hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be?
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you do realize this is a jesuit teaching that didn't come about until the last 500 years or so? Until the jesuits introduced this teaching NO ONE on the planet ever believed or taught such a belief.
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call out for OP..... i'd like your take on this pls
Shakti.ji

The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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Thank you. hf So your position is that the "last chance" is only up to the rapture? The gospel is not spread anymore after the rapture, and anyone left behind is basically on their own with God? That makes the idea make more sense. And my conviction to plant seeds was not necessarily meant for tribulation, but simply before it's too late....
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german2 Please forgive me if my answer is a bit sketchy, but I'll do my best. As you renew your relationship with the Lord He will be aware of the doubts and questions that you have and I am sure that He will answer them in due time, as He has done with me.

I think that the Tribulation Saints (which I'm sure will include many people from all over the world who where never Christians) will spread the gospel, but they will be quickly hunted down and killed if they do it on the internet or in public. It will be in small groups or individually and always at the risk of betrayal. Like I said the Lord wants you now - here - today. Remember I also said that you may not even get the chance to become a Tribulation Saint, a nuclear bomb or something else could wipe you out in an instant and that would be it for you.

The 144,000 are male virgins from the twelve tribes of Israel. I don't know if you have some beliefs in "replacement theology" or not, but if so they are a lie that are holding you back. Remember that this time is also referred to as The Time of Jacob's Trouble. Many people also forget or overlook the passages in the bible that make it quite clear that 1/3rd of the J's will turn to the Lord with all their hearts. The new Jerusalem will be Hebrew, not some lying mishmash of imposters. I also think that the 144,000 may be sent through out the world to spread the message.

I hope to see you in Heaven celebrating The Wedding Feast of the Lamb while all this is going on. I don't know exactly, but I think we will also have a role to play in encouraging those who are struggling through the Great Tribulation.
Turn to the Lord now while you are still able, He will be quick to hear you. hf
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you do realize this is a jesuit teaching that didn't come about until the last 500 years or so? Until the jesuits introduced this teaching NO ONE on the planet ever believed or taught such a belief.
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german7 Really? How come it's in the gospels then.
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you do realize this is a jesuit teaching that didn't come about until the last 500 years or so? Until the jesuits introduced this teaching NO ONE on the planet ever believed or taught such a belief.
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german7 Really? How come it's in the gospels then.
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King James?
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The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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you do realize this is a jesuit teaching that didn't come about until the last 500 years or so? Until the jesuits introduced this teaching NO ONE on the planet ever believed or taught such a belief.
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german7 Really? How come it's in the gospels then.
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it may be in the bible as you have it, but the teaching was never taught prior to the jesuits putting it out there. Never.
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The servants of the Most Merciful walk upon the earth easily; and when the ignorant address them harshly they say words of peace.

When the heart is pure, there is no difficulty, whatsoever. Why should one be afraid of any one if there be no evil thought in us?

Of what worth is creation ~ if it doesn’t put a sparkle in your eye ~ and a song in your heart?
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Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, "My lord, what shall be the end of these things?"

And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

"Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand
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"And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.


Daniel 12:8-11
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Ephraem’s Teaching on the Pre-Tribulation Rapture

“For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the Tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins”

(On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373).

The early Christian writer and poet, Ephraem the Syrian (who lived from A.D. 306 to 373), was a major theologian of the early Byzantine Eastern Church. He was born near Nisbis in the Roman province of Syria, near present-day Edessa, Turkey.

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Two Pretribulational References in the Early Church

"1. The Shepherd of Hermas (95-150)

The Shepherd of Hermas was written between 96-150 AD. This document provides a statement that resembles a teaching of a pre-trib rapture doctrine. Though it is not exactly as found in modern day scholarly pretribulational writings, it still shows that an idea existed in some degree that God's people could escape the future tribulation that was to come on the whole earth. The text reads:

"You have escaped from the great tribulation on account of your faith, and because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a type of the great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves, and repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of the days of your life serving the Lord blamelessly."..."


"2. Victorinus ( Well known by 270 and died in 303 A.D.)

Victorinus wrote a commentary on the book of Revelation. In one place he made an interesting statement that reflects his idea that the church would be removed prior to the tribulation. Of course his ideas were not systematic, and some will argue that he contradicts himself in other places, which may very well be true. But even with such an admission it still serves us well to see that early in the church history someone taught in some sense that God's church could escape the tribulation period by being removed from the earth. His commentary notes in Revelation 6:14 indicate a pre-trib reference of some sort:

"And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up." For the heaven to be rolled away, that is, that the Church shall be taken away. "And every mountain and the islands removed from their places intimate that in the last persecution all men departed from their places; that is, that the good will be removed, seeking to avoid persecution..."

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This is a dumb argument anyway.

If you believe something that is True, it does not matter if no one ever knew or believed about it previously.

Surely, some things substantiating Scripture in any number of ways are still being discovered and will continue to be discovered and revealed in the End Times, according to Scripture.
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Ephraem’s Teaching on the Pre-Tribulation Rapture

“For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the Tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins”

(On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373).

The early Christian writer and poet, Ephraem the Syrian (who lived from A.D. 306 to 373), was a major theologian of the early Byzantine Eastern Church. He was born near Nisbis in the Roman province of Syria, near present-day Edessa, Turkey.

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Irenaeus of Lyons 130 - 202

He had seen and heard the preaching of Polycarp, the last known living connection with the Apostles, who in turn was said to have heard John the Evangelist

Chapter 28

4. ….. And for this cause tribulation is necessary for those who are saved, that having been after a manner broken up, and rendered fine, and sprinkled over by the patience of the Word of God, and set on fire [for purification], they may be fitted for the royal banquet. …

Chapter 29

..."There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be." For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption...

Chapter 30

4. But he indicates the number of the name now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is: the name, however, is suppressed, because it is not worthy of being proclaimed by the Holy Spirit. ... he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that "many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."

Chapter 35 … awaiting Him from heaven, and who have suffered tribulation, as well as escaped the hands of the Wicked one ...





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you do realize this is a jesuit teaching that didn't come about until the last 500 years or so? Until the jesuits introduced this teaching NO ONE on the planet ever believed or taught such a belief.
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german7 Really? How come it's in the gospels then.
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it may be in the bible as you have it, but the teaching was never taught prior to the jesuits putting it out there. Never.
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backb I cannot argue with someone who just makes stuff up as they go along.
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^ Sir, why post the girls?
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Irenaeus of Lyons 130 - 202

etc...……………………………………...
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german7 Look if it's not in the bible then please don't quote it as some authoritive source, I could care less what Irenaeus of Lyons said back whenever. This thread is about saving peoples souls now - today. Side trips into this and that serve no useful purpose.





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