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Why the Rapture may be sooner than many people think.

 
Judethz  (OP)
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...so according to you... Moses, who was given the law to give to Israel, was under grace and didn't need to keep the law...? if ALL things were lawful for the priesthood, why GIVE them the law and COMMAND them to keep it...? you contradict GOD and JESUS...

do you go to temple, keep the feast days, keep the dietary laws, do you go to a priest or a pastor, do you keep ALL 615 laws, rules, regulations and statues... are you under the law or grace...

If you were part of the body of Christ, you'd know these things... don't take the mark...
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japanrake Yes I've wondered about this insane legalism sometimes. I expect that it keeps you so busy that you hardly ever have any time to think about having a relationship with the Lord. Sort of like Roman Catholicism and some other 'churches'.
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...so according to you... Moses, who was given the law to give to Israel, was under grace and didn't need to keep the law...? if ALL things were lawful for the priesthood, why GIVE them the law and COMMAND them to keep it...? you contradict GOD and JESUS...

do you go to temple, keep the feast days, keep the dietary laws, do you go to a priest or a pastor, do you keep ALL 615 laws, rules, regulations and statues... are you under the law or grace...

If you were part of the body of Christ, you'd know these things... don't take the mark...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


japanrake Yes I've wondered about this insane legalism sometimes. I expect that it keeps you so busy that you hardly ever have any time to think about having a relationship with the Lord. Sort of like Roman Catholicism and some other 'churches'.
 Quoting: Judethz


the law was brutal... it's either all law + belief or all grace...
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...so according to you... Moses, who was given the law to give to Israel, was under grace and didn't need to keep the law...? if ALL things were lawful for the priesthood, why GIVE them the law and COMMAND them to keep it...? you contradict GOD and JESUS...

do you go to temple, keep the feast days, keep the dietary laws, do you go to a priest or a pastor, do you keep ALL 615 laws, rules, regulations and statues... are you under the law or grace...

If you were part of the body of Christ, you'd know these things... don't take the mark...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


japanrake: Yes I've wondered about this insane legalism sometimes. I expect that it keeps you so busy that you hardly ever have any time to think about having a relationship with the Lord. Sort of like Roman Catholicism and some other 'churches'.
 Quoting: Judethz


the law was brutal... it's either all law + belief or all grace...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Jesus said "obey the commandments".
Jesus said "obey my commandments". His 2 cover the Father's 10.

Paul delivered those commandments to new Believers.

1 Thessalonians 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

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The 10 Commandments are not "law".
Father God differentiated.

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice,
and kept my charge,
my commandments,
my statutes,
and my laws.

Nehemiah 9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai,
and spakest with them from heaven,
and gavest them right judgments,
and true laws,
good statutes
and commandments:
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


2kings:17:13

"Notwithstanding the Lord testified to Israel, and to Judah by all the Prophets, and by all the Seers, saying, Turn from your evil ways, and keep my commandments, and my statutes, according to all the Law, which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the Prophets."

Is Jesus Christ the Lord...?

That's a very different message than "all things are lawful for me"

is that the one gospel you keep talking about...

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 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


2kings:17:13

"Notwithstanding the Lord testified to Israel, and to Judah by all the Prophets, and by all the Seers, saying, Turn from your evil ways, and keep my commandments, and my statutes, according to all the Law, which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the Prophets."


Is Jesus Christ the Lord...?


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Jesus said "obey the commandments".
Jesus said "obey my commandments". His 2 cover the Father's 10.

Paul delivered those commandments to new Believers.

1 Thessalonians 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

================================
The 10 Commandments are not "law".
Father God differentiated.

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice,
and kept my charge,
my commandments,
my statutes,
and my laws.

Nehemiah 9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai,
and spakest with them from heaven,
and gavest them right judgments,
and true laws,
good statutes
and commandments:
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


2kings:17:13

"Notwithstanding the Lord testified to Israel, and to Judah by all the Prophets, and by all the Seers, saying, Turn from your evil ways, and keep my commandments, and my statutes, according to all the Law, which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the Prophets."

Is Jesus Christ the Lord...?

That's a very different message than "all things are lawful for me"

is that the one gospel you keep talking about...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1

dumbass

2 Kings 17 is the Father speaking. NOT Jesus.

The Gospel has to do with Salvation.

Salvation GRANTED BY the Father
Thru Jesus

Taught by ALL the Apostles and disciples including Paul.

ONE Gospel of Salvation.
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2kings:17:13

"Notwithstanding the Lord testified to Israel, and to Judah by all the Prophets, and by all the Seers, saying, Turn from your evil ways, and keep my commandments, and my statutes, according to all the Law, which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the Prophets."


Is Jesus Christ the Lord...?


 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1

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Jesus IS NOT the Father.

KJV has "LORD" - all caps.

Hebrew Bible is even MORE correct.

2 Kings 17:13

13 Yet YHWH forewarned Yisra’el, and Y’hudah, by the hand of every prophet, and of every seer, saying: Turn you from your evil ways, and keep My commandments and My statutes, according to all the Torah which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by the hand of My servants, the prophets.
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german5 You are making too many long and confusing posts.
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Jesus said "obey the commandments".
Jesus said "obey my commandments". His 2 cover the Father's 10.

Paul delivered those commandments to new Believers.

1 Thessalonians 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

================================
The 10 Commandments are not "law".
Father God differentiated.

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice,
and kept my charge,
my commandments,
my statutes,
and my laws.

Nehemiah 9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai,
and spakest with them from heaven,
and gavest them right judgments,
and true laws,
good statutes
and commandments:
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


2kings:17:13

"Notwithstanding the Lord testified to Israel, and to Judah by all the Prophets, and by all the Seers, saying, Turn from your evil ways, and keep my commandments, and my statutes, according to all the Law, which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the Prophets."

Is Jesus Christ the Lord...?

That's a very different message than "all things are lawful for me"

is that the one gospel you keep talking about...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1

dumbass

2 Kings 17 is the Father speaking. NOT Jesus.

The Gospel has to do with Salvation.

Salvation GRANTED BY the Father
Thru Jesus

Taught by ALL the Apostles and disciples including Paul.

ONE Gospel of Salvation.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


...so, according to your "beliefs", the LORD isn't Jesus, and Jesus and GOD aren't in agreement about salvation?? WOW! ...didn't the 12 call Jesus "Lord" all thru scripture???...

Your "beliefs" are perverted and would put GOD and Jesus at odds and make BOTH liars... if you don't think the message between Peter and Paul isn't different, ask ANY orthodox, or even messianic J*W... they think Paul's teaching is heresy because it's SO different... but AT LEAST they recognize the difference...

Again, you never answered the question...do you keep all the law, do you wear a head covering, do you separate all your cookware to keep it kosher...do you eat pork or shellfish... do you go to a priest as a mediator between you and GOD...?

Pride goeth before the fall... your pride and your arrogance has blinded you to GODS truth ... it's all about YOU being RIGHT and has nothing to do with salvation...

As I've said before, rapture isn't for everybody, it's for the body of Christ. If you don't see it, it's not for you...

Remember, don't eat pork or take the mark...

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...so, according to your "beliefs", the LORD isn't Jesus, and Jesus and GOD aren't in agreement about salvation?? WOW! ...didn't the 12 call Jesus "Lord" all thru scripture???...

Your "beliefs" are perverted and would put GOD and Jesus at odds and make BOTH liars... if you don't think the message between Peter and Paul isn't different, ask ANY orthodox, or even messianic J*W... they think Paul's teaching is heresy because it's SO different... but AT LEAST they recognize the difference...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


The "LORD" (all capitals)in the Old Testament is the Father.
It actually should be "YHWH" or "YHVH".

Jesus IS NOT the Father.

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.


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Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus

cried with a loud voice, saying,

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

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John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,


that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.


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Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More

Thread: Jesus and the Apostles - 400 Verses That Reference Either The Father or His SON - Son of God

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2 Kings 17 is the Father speaking. NOT Jesus.

The Gospel has to do with Salvation.

Salvation GRANTED BY the Father
Thru Jesus

Taught by ALL the Apostles and disciples including Paul.

ONE Gospel of Salvation.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


...so, according to your "beliefs", the LORD isn't Jesus, and Jesus and GOD aren't in agreement about salvation?? WOW! ...didn't the 12 call Jesus "Lord" all thru scripture???...

Your "beliefs" are perverted and would put GOD and Jesus at odds and make BOTH liars... if you don't think the message between Peter and Paul isn't different, ask ANY orthodox, or even messianic J*W... they think Paul's teaching is heresy because it's SO different... but AT LEAST they recognize the difference...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


So...in those days it was proper to call ANYONE with a "higher rank" / social status...."Lord".

If you were called to address the King of the land - you would call him "lord".

If, at a later time, you were to address his son, the prince, would you not call him "lord" too?

The 12 Apostles got sent to "ALL the world".
Paul was ALSO sent to "the children of Israel".
Scripture PROVES this.

ONE Gospel for ALL to hear and accept.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,

having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,

and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


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Again, you never answered the question...do you keep all the law, do you wear a head covering, do you separate all your cookware to keep it kosher...do you eat pork or shellfish... do you go to a priest as a mediator between you and GOD...?
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


Jesus said "obey the commandments".
Jesus said "obey my commandments". His 2 cover the Father's 10.

Paul delivered those commandments to new Believers.

1 Thessalonians 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

another do
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german5: You are making too many long and confusing posts.
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Confusing? What confuses you?

At least I address things with scripture.

Would you rather have me make 50 posts with one sentence in each one?
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Would you rather have me make 50 posts with one sentence in each one?
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Can you handle one at a time?
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:german5: You are making too many long and confusing posts.
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I noticed that too.

He does not preach the Gospel.
He argues ABOUT it.

Skip reading his posts because they are confusing and it appears that he is arguing for the sake of arguing.
He quotes Scripture verses that make sense ONLY TO HIM in context to his preoccupation with arguing.

That is what is confusing.
Why does he argue with everyone, including himself?

One point he is trying to make shows that he has a problem with the Apostle Paul and is preoccupied with it.
He should make his own threads so he can argue with anybody else who wants to argue.

I knew of a Christian man who got a concussion and afterwards, he could only talk about certain things.
Maybe that is what happened.
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I noticed that too.

He does not preach the Gospel.
He argues ABOUT it.

Skip reading his posts because they are confusing and it appears that he is arguing for the sake of arguing.
He quotes Scripture verses that make sense ONLY TO HIM in context to his preoccupation with arguing.

That is what is confusing.
Why does he argue with everyone, including himself?

One point he is trying to make shows that he has a problem with the Apostle Paul and is preoccupied with it.
He should make his own threads so he can argue with anybody else who wants to argue.

I knew of a Christian man who got a concussion and afterwards, he could only talk about certain things.
Maybe that is what happened.
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I don't have a problem with Paul.

Scripture PROVES there's ONE Gospel. And I HAVE topic threads.

Thread: To Understand Paul in the Bible - His Letters Don't Tell Us All of What He Originally Preached

Thread: Bible - ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul

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Of course there is one Gospel.

What is the selfish argument here??

Jesus Christ.
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Paul preaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

They hate Paul...




I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Paul


But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Je-ws a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Je-ws and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


Paul


Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Paul


we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord

Paul


Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Paul


In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Paul


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast
.


Paul


That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Paul


For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Paul


denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity


Paul

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I'm well aware what Paul preached.
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Paul preached Jesus Christ.

I have issues with how it differs
from that of Christ Himself.
 Quoting: Them

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

We are here to learn about Love=God.
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Jesus Christ is how much God loves you and how far He has gone to show you
if you are only willing to see and believe Him.
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Of course there is one Gospel.

What is the selfish argument here??

Jesus Christ.
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Actually...IF you had READ through the topic - you would see that I have been arguing with this person - who claims that Paul has a SEPERATE gospel than the other Apostles.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Scripture proves him wrong.
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Of course there is one Gospel.

What is the selfish argument here??

Jesus Christ.
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Actually...IF you had READ through the topic - you would see that I have been arguing with this person - who claims that Paul has a SEPERATE gospel than the other Apostles.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Scripture proves him wrong.
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Why do you think everything is about you?
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You could quote me...
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Of course there is one Gospel.

What is the selfish argument here??

Jesus Christ.
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Actually...IF you had READ through the topic - you would see that I have been arguing with this person - who claims that Paul has a SEPERATE gospel than the other Apostles.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Scripture proves him wrong.
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Why do you think everything is about you?
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sweater Because he's smarter than us and he knows everything.
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Read the nag hammadi gospels.

Yeshua was a gnostic, real early christianity stems from Egypt Gnostic teachings and mysticism.
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Of course there is one Gospel.

What is the selfish argument here??

Jesus Christ.
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Actually...IF you had READ through the topic - you would see that I have been arguing with this person - who claims that Paul has a SEPERATE gospel than the other Apostles.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Scripture proves him wrong.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


Why do you think everything is about you?
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sweater: Because he's smarter than us and he knows everything.
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It's not about me.

It's about the truth of scripture.

Thread: Bible - ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul

Thread: To Understand Paul in the Bible - His Letters Don't Tell Us All of What He Originally Preached
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Read the nag hammadi gospels.

Yeshua was a gnostic, real early christianity stems from Egypt Gnostic teachings and mysticism.
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What...nothing about the "Demiurge"? lmao

It's hilarious that you gnostics glorify Thomas...

...and yet the quotes of Jesus he recorded talk about...

..."the Father".

Jesus' Father - OUR Father.

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Saying 44: Blasphemy

Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes the Son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, neither on earth nor in heaven."

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Of course there is one Gospel.

What is the selfish argument here??

Jesus Christ.
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Actually...IF you had READ through the topic - you would see that I have been arguing with this person - who claims that Paul has a SEPERATE gospel than the other Apostles.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Scripture proves him wrong.
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I wonder if he is a mid-acts believer. They do not believe the church was Israel or even that the church was present in acts 2 with the Holy Spirit. They believe the first new testament gospels were for Israel and Paul was only for them.
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Nov 2019 began.
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