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Why the Rapture may be sooner than many people think.

 
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Its either this Saturday or on June 2nd (3 days later).

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Its either this Saturday or on June 2nd (3 days later).


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For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,

that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


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John 3:14

As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up.
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There will be a great multitude of people who witness the event of the rapture, who will not believe the Satanic lies about a mass alien abduction of all the Christians, or the New Age lies about the earth ascending to a higher vibrational state, thus leaving behind all the Christians. And then after seeing the rapture, they realize the Truth of what has happened, and get right with God. When they do, they will become Saints in the Tribulation, aka Tribulation Saints. And most of them will be beheaded for their testimony.

Also others will get saved through the evangelization efforts of those who converted after the rapture, plus the efforts of the 144,000 Israeli virgins who will convert the nation of Israel, or at least a remnant of them. And then there will come the Two Witnesses who will work miracles and do the same. So yes there will be a great multitude who are saved during the Tribulation period. And all of this happens after the rapture of the Church at the end of the Church Age.

Your premise is flawed. Pre-Tribbers don't believe they are any better than anyone. We are all sinners. It's only by grace that we are saved. And it's only by grace that Yahshua(Jesus) will come again to take us home to the place He has prepared for us in heaven. We simply believe what He has promised us, His bride. If this was not the case, He would have told us so. Had He told us something different, we would believe that instead. He spoke it, we believe it. It's a matter of faith.

Many unbelievers and false Christians will witness the disappearance of all the true Christians around the world, and then they will believe. But it will be too late for the rapture of the Church for them, as the Church has already left. Then they will get saved and endure the time of the Tribulation/Daniel's 70th Week/the Time of Jacob's Trouble. And of those new believers, who will be called saints at that time in the Tribulation, who endure to then end, they shall be saved.

And of those new saints in the Tribulation, most will lose their heads, and they will go to heaven since they are saved. And in heaven, they will be given white robes and palm branches. These martyrs will come out of the Great Tribulation (the last 3.5 yrs of the Tribulation) as they are martyred and go to heaven. These will be among the wise virgins who accompany the Bridegroom (Yahshua/Jesus) and His Bride (the Church) into the Wedding Ceremony in heaven. And the foolish virgins, the false believers, will be left outside as the Bridegroom never knew them. Outside of what? Outside of the Wedding Feast in heaven during the Tribulation, and outside of Yahshua's new Millennial Kingdom on earth after His 2nd Coming with His angels and His Bride the Church.
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This is all speculation. Where are your bible verses to back this up? Since we know the most of the Christians are tribulation saints that cannot be numbered that would not leave many Christians to be pre-raptured. They would artifacts lost in the noise of everything else going on. Who would even notice?
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everybody in the world that's a "christian" ie: body of Christ, will be raptured... the Holy Spirit in them MUST be removed before the anti-christ can come to power...it's not a some are, some aren't situation... the "age of Grace" has ended once rapture takes place, GOD picks up with the priesthood again under the law, with works and believe, just like it was when Jesus walked with the 12... 144k JEWI*H priests (the priesthood) will be proclaiming the king is coming, and he will be... in 7 years... the gospel of the kingdom...
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Rapture means bliss, the whole "rapture" idea of being taken off Earth wasnt invented until 1800s by some man.
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... in your mind... and who really cares what the blinded believe... you?
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Satan is alive and well on this thread... ALL those attacking rapture need to start their own thread... if you haven't been shown truth, move on. Denying rapture is denying what the Holy Spirit has opened to MILLIONS about rapture...

Just because someone doesn't believe in rapture doesn't make it untrue... they just aren't in that group... if GOD doesn't open their eyes, they'll never see it... arrogance, pride,deception, and self importance has blinded them to GODS truth... they'll have 7 years to rethink their importance...

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Satan is alive and well on this thread... ALL those attacking rapture need to start their own thread... if you haven't been shown truth, move on. Denying rapture is denying what the Holy Spirit has opened to MILLIONS about rapture...

Just because someone doesn't believe in rapture doesn't make untrue... they just aren't in that group... if GOD doesn't open their eyes, they'll never see it... arrogance, pride,deception, and self importance has blinded them to GODS truth... they'll have 7 years to rethink their importance...
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I believe in the harpazo. How is anyone helping if they might be in error? We need to talk it out and find the truth.

Example you say 7 years but clearly revelation says 3.5 years of tribulation. Even Daniel says 3.5 years.

Rev 12:14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

Rev 11:3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."

Rev 11:2 "But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two months.

Rev 13:5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.

Dan 12:7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.


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Satan is alive and well on this thread... ALL those attacking rapture need to start their own thread... if you haven't been shown truth, move on. Denying rapture is denying what the Holy Spirit has opened to MILLIONS about rapture...

Just because someone doesn't believe in rapture doesn't make untrue... they just aren't in that group... if GOD doesn't open their eyes, they'll never see it... arrogance, pride,deception, and self importance has blinded them to GODS truth... they'll have 7 years to rethink their importance...
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I believe in the harpazo. How is anyone helping if they might be in error? We need to talk it out and find the truth.

Example you say 7 years but clearly revelation says 3.5 years of tribulation. Even Daniel says 3.5 years.

Rev 12:14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

Rev 11:3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."

Rev 11:2 "But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two months.

Rev 13:5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.

Dan 12:7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.

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Thread: The Rapture and the Timing of the Two Witnesses
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Everyone has this idea they will be whisked away and spared the tribulation

incorrect

The tribulation is to test the faith of those that proclaim to be born again Christians

you will not be rescued, you will suffer the tribulation and if your faith is strong, you will survive it and meet Christ in the skies AS HE RETURNS

You will not be spared the tribulation

I'm sorry you were misled
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I believe in the harpazo. How is anyone helping if they might be in error? We need to talk it out and find the truth.
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white4 Wrong. We need to read the Bible to find out the truth. Your way leads directly to such abominations

as the Roman Catholic "church", and the Pharisees with their 615 laws. I can clearly see that you like that idea because it opens wide a door for you to speak lies about our blessed hope, the Rapture and all sorts of other errors. Your a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Ecc 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
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I believe in the harpazo. How is anyone helping if they might be in error? We need to talk it out and find the truth.
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white4 Wrong. We need to read the Bible to find out the truth. Your way leads directly to such abominations

as the Roman Catholic "church", and the Pharisees with their 615 laws. I can clearly see that you like that idea because it opens wide a door for you to speak lies about our blessed hope, the Rapture and all sorts of other errors. Your a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Ecc 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

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I see you only replied with something that has nothing to do with the verses I posted.

I have posted a thread for those willing to defend the pretrib if you are able to defend your position instead of posting your comics that explain the pretrib.

Thread: In defense of the PreTrib Rapture - The shortest rapture thread ever.
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I see you only replied with something that has nothing to do with the verses I posted.

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white5 Well you wrote it!
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I see you only replied with something that has nothing to do with the verses I posted.

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white5 Well you wrote it!
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You delete scripture that you believe does not support your position. I have seen you delete posts of my that are only scripture and nothing else.
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You delete scripture that you believe does not support your position. I have seen you delete posts of my that are only scripture and nothing else.
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white3 You post acres of scripture that at best is only slightly relevant to the Rapture, and to be perfectly frank about it, it's a lot easier than getting bogged down in endless circular debates. If you don't like it than that's fine by me, go and start your own threads about whatever.

In the meantime their are many people with only a limited knowledge of the Bible that other Christians and I are trying to reach in the little time that we have remaining. You suck the life and joy out of preaching the gospel.
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You delete scripture that you believe does not support your position. I have seen you delete posts of my that are only scripture and nothing else.
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white3: You post acres of scripture that at best is only slightly relevant to the Rapture, and to be perfectly frank about it, it's a lot easier than getting bogged down in endless circular debates. If you don't like it than that's fine by me, go and start your own threads about whatever.

In the meantime their are many people with only a limited knowledge of the Bible that other Christians and I are trying to reach in the little time that we have remaining. You suck the life and joy out of preaching the gospel.
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And so you think new people can be saved by "enticing them" with the "promise" of a rapture - that can be proven wrong?

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You delete scripture that you believe does not support your position. I have seen you delete posts of my that are only scripture and nothing else.
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white3: You post acres of scripture that at best is only slightly relevant to the Rapture, and to be perfectly frank about it, it's a lot easier than getting bogged down in endless circular debates. If you don't like it than that's fine by me, go and start your own threads about whatever.

In the meantime their are many people with only a limited knowledge of the Bible that other Christians and I are trying to reach in the little time that we have remaining. You suck the life and joy out of preaching the gospel.
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And so you think new people can be saved by "enticing them" with the "promise" of a rapture - that can be proven wrong?

verysad gaah
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I posted almost the same reply. She deleted it. I asked why she does not preach Christ instead. Yours and mine will be deleted.

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Everyone has this idea they will be whisked away and spared the tribulation
incorrect
The tribulation is to test the faith of those that proclaim to be born again Christians
you will not be rescued, you will suffer the tribulation and if your faith is strong, you will survive it and meet Christ in the skies AS HE RETURNS
You will not be spared the tribulation
I'm sorry you were misled
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Thus sayeth you.

So what?
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You delete scripture that you believe does not support your position. I have seen you delete posts of my that are only scripture and nothing else.
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white3: You post acres of scripture that at best is only slightly relevant to the Rapture, and to be perfectly frank about it, it's a lot easier than getting bogged down in endless circular debates. If you don't like it than that's fine by me, go and start your own threads about whatever.

In the meantime their are many people with only a limited knowledge of the Bible that other Christians and I are trying to reach in the little time that we have remaining. You suck the life and joy out of preaching the gospel.
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And so you think new people can be saved by "enticing them" with the "promise" of a rapture - that can be proven wrong?

verysad gaah
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your arrogance is boundless... you presume to know, as an absolute fact, what the Holy Spirit has shown, or not shown, other people ... is that correct...? you SERIOUSLY think GOD has to run it by you who he reveals something to ... and if it isn't to you, it's can't be true ... is that about right?

Matthew 7

"Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth my Father’s will which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not by thy Name prophesied, and by thy name cast out devils? and by thy name done many great works?

And then will I profess to them, I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity."

This isn't your thread... it's about rapture, if you don't believe it, no one cares...seriously, go start your own thread instead of spewing your, "I don't believe it" on this thread... you're blinded and your belief to millions irrelevant... no one ask you to prove anything... you assume way to much...

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You delete scripture that you believe does not support your position. I have seen you delete posts of my that are only scripture and nothing else.
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white3: You post acres of scripture that at best is only slightly relevant to the Rapture, and to be perfectly frank about it, it's a lot easier than getting bogged down in endless circular debates. If you don't like it than that's fine by me, go and start your own threads about whatever.

In the meantime their are many people with only a limited knowledge of the Bible that other Christians and I are trying to reach in the little time that we have remaining. You suck the life and joy out of preaching the gospel.
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And so you think new people can be saved by "enticing them" with the "promise" of a rapture - that can be proven wrong?

verysad gaah
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I posted almost the same reply. She deleted it. I asked why she does not preach Christ instead. Yours and mine will be deleted.
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I won't be surprised either.

Judethz...some critical questions for you.

1. IF a rapture takes away all the Believer in Christ - HOW is it that there are "beheaded saints of the Great Tribulation"? (Revelation 20:4)

2. Why is the gospel being preached if there are no Believers left to witness to last minute new believers? (Revelation 14:6)

3. To WHOM are the "two witnesses" preaching and prophecying to? (Revelation 11)

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your arrogance is boundless... you presume to know, as an absolute fact, what the Holy Spirit has shown, or not shown, other people ... is that correct...? you SERIOUSLY think GOD has to run it by you who he reveals something to ... and if it isn't to you, it's can't be true ... is that about right?

Matthew 7

"Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth my Father’s will which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not by thy Name prophesied, and by thy name cast out devils? and by thy name done many great works?

And then will I profess to them, I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity."
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Neither Father God nor Jesus "revealed" the rapture to ANYONE.

1. Scripture PROVES there's ONE Gospel.

2. Scripture PROVES Paul was sent to EVERYONE just like the other Apostles were.

3. Scripture PROVES that Paul's words match what Jesus says about the End Times.

Who's TRULY arrogant.
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...so you're saying GOD checks with you before he opens the eyes of someone... yeah, that's your arrogance...
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This isn't your thread... it's about rapture, if you don't believe it, no one cares...seriously, go start your own thread instead of spewing your, "I don't believe it" on this thread... you're blinded and your belief to millions irrelevant... no one ask you to prove anything... you assume way to much...
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True.

But as fellow Christian we have both a right AND a DUTY to REFUTE false doctrine.

You folks can't deal with the scriptural arguments so you whine and attack us instead.
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no... you think you know it all... and if doesn't fit your beliefs, it can't be true...
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Rapturetards who speak and follow the rapture had already been raptured before Almighty Yahweh Holy Face.

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1. IF a rapture takes away all the Believer in Christ - HOW is it that there are "beheaded saints of the Great Tribulation"? (Revelation 20:4)
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Of course, many that did not believe, but heard all about it, will know what has happened and will then believe in Jesus Christ, and they will not deny Him again...

2. Why is the gospel being preached if there are no Believers left to witness to last minute new believers? (Revelation 14:6)
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The Two Witnesses and the 144,000 preach that the Law and the Prophets testify to Jesus Christ Yeshua HaMashiach to Israel and everyone else that will hear. Some many others will hear, will believe now, and will endure to the very end.

3. To WHOM are the "two witnesses" preaching and prophecying to? (Revelation 11)
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Israel. JE*WS.
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Rapturetards who speak and follow the rapture had already been raptured before Almighty Yahweh Holy Face.

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This isn't your thread... it's about rapture, if you don't believe it, no one cares...seriously, go start your own thread instead of spewing your, "I don't believe it" on this thread... you're blinded and your belief to millions irrelevant... no one ask you to prove anything... you assume way to much...
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True.

But as fellow Christian we have both a right AND a DUTY to REFUTE false doctrine.

You folks can't deal with the scriptural arguments so you whine and attack us instead.
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no... you think you know it all... and if doesn't fit your beliefs, it can't be true...
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Scripture PROVES your "Paul only" nonsense WRONG.
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3 Gospel acct's where Jesus states that AFTER tribulation...

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State what AFTER the Tribulation of those days?

Not the Rapture.

The Second of Coming of Jesus Christ, with all His Saints, when every eye shall see Him.

Yes, I know.
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For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Thessalonians 4:16-18


Why does it say comfort one another with these words?

hmm


You simply refuse to address or understand the many very specific differences between the Rapture and The Second Coming.

This passage does not say this is Christ's Return.

He comes as far as meeting us in the air and then we stay with Him at His Place.

It does not say here that He returns to earth here at this time.

After The Wedding Feast at His Place, and after The Indignation is wrapped up down here, THEN He Returns to earth WITH ALL His Saints. It says what it says.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge this?

Please just watch this 15 minute video that details the verses that detail teh differences between the Rapturee and the Second Coming.

Then, after you watch this short 15-minute video, after the last decade arguing, please tell where the verses are wrong.

Thank you.


Chuck Missler on Harpazo: Rapture vs Second Coming, Post-Trib Problems, Premillennialism



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You simply refuse to address or understand the many very specific differences between the Rapture and The Second Coming.
Please just watch this 15 minute video that details the verses that detail the differences between the Rapture and the Second Coming.
Then, after you watch this short 15-minute video, after the last decade arguing, please tell where the verses are wrong.
Thank you.

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NOPE.

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Would you like to stand before Jesus Christ right this very moment?
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And stay with Him forever after.

Right now?
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It's a very simple question, yet very deep...





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