Why the Rapture may be sooner than many people think.

YOU don't BELIEVE the Bible.

You belive a PIPE dream created by John Nelson Darby.

You think the King James Bible is a good Bible?

You should read about the corrupt editing he did to his version of it.

So now I suppose that there is something wrong with this passage from Isaiah. Life must be tough when you are promoting a lie.

The passage from Isaiah has NOTHING to do
with a pre-trib rapture.

Who's promoting a lie here?

Disappointing that so many people still buy into dispensationalism

You will not be raptured out before the tribulation.

The tribulation was designed for all believers as a test of their faith.

Will you take the mark of the beast to survive and prosper or will you stand your ground and say no?

The mark of the beast...at least in my opinion...is going to be the ID2020 that Gates is pushing

the vaccine and maybe an ultraviolet tatoo that they will be able to spot at a distance with special cameras.

I am sorry Christian brothers, if you are thinking you will be spared the tribulation, you have been horribly misled.

The tribulation is to test YOUR faith, not the faith of the lost and damned

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bingo

dispensationalism

that is what Darby was selling

The believers will be tested and those found to be luke warm will be spewed from his mouth

The Tribulation is a test for the faithful, not a test for those lost and damned

why do so many people get his wrong?

If you survive the tribulation and have not lost or betrayed your faith, THEN you willbe called into the sky to join in Christ's fold.

It'snot going to be easy to survive the tribulation with your faith intact

that is the entire point of it

Yes it does.

Isa 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

So why do you make sweeping statements that can easily be disproved. Our faith is being tested now
and if we pass the test we will be amongst those who are Raptured, otherwise we will join the lukewarm and liars like you who failed the test.
And what about the many, many millions of people who died in the Lord during the last nearly 2,000 years. A great many of them did not suffer but minor persecution, others non at all. You want that they should be sent back to earth to join you in your misery?


1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Why did Jesus Christ die?

For how long have you had the perfect understanding of all of the things of God?

NOPE.

It's NOT a "pre-trib" rapture.

WHERE does ANYONE say Believers will MISS Tribulation?

Nobody - NOWHERE in the Bible.

Save your breath. This idiot will never admit his error.

Says WHO? Chuck Missler or some other pre-trib-tard?

Verse 19 reads like a description of the saints that arose when Jesus died.

OR....the whole passage can easily describe just before the WRATH of the End Times.

No Rapture, just Rupture, and it will have jack shit to do with any godforsaken-by-definition religion. If anyone is to be taken away in spacecraft, it would/will be (however many) more moral and intelligent people than religious people, or however many would be chosen would be utterly unrelated to their religions.

You could try actually reading and believing what the Bible says instead of listening to the lies of the world.

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

SHOW us from the Bible where it states that

"tribulation equals wrath".

You can't.

In fact, Revelation distinguishes the first Six Seals from the rest of events, which are called WRATH.

Revelation 6 - Just after the Sixth Seal

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The last time I checked I never said that, it's you who is making the big song and dance about it.

Yet THAT is the ASSumption that a pre-trib rapture makes -

that believers escape both wrath AND tribulation.

Some will and some wont. Personally speaking I've faced plenty of evil because of my Christian beliefs, although as yet not of a physical nature. I don't know of course, but my hope is that the suffering that all Christians face will be cut short. I hope that you don't have a problem with that. In any case the parable about the labourer's and the vineyard makes the point very clearly.

Mat 20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
Mat 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
Mat 20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
Mat 20:4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
Mat 20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
Mat 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
Mat 20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
Mat 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
Mat 20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
Mat 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
Mat 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Mat 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Mat 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Well I'm sure that that has the potential to make an interesting debate amongst those who where not right with the Lord at the time of the Rapture. But then on the other hand I'd think that you'd be so preoccupied with your own personal sufferings that you wouldn't have time for all that.

No pre-trib rapture.

Scripture PROVES it to be false doctrine.

Debate? It's in black and white.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

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Well if you keep telling yourself that then I'm sure that that will be true for you.

Bitch, I am about to flood your stolen home.

The pre-trib rapture is an invention of John Nelson Darby and was proliferated by the idiotic Schofield bible.

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"He participated in the 1831–33 Powerscourt Conference, an annual meeting of Bible students organized by his friend, the wealthy widow Lady Powerscourt (Theodosia Wingfield Powerscourt). At the conference Darby publicly described his ecclesiological and eschatological views, including the pretribulation rapture."

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Thanks, that makes a nice answer for the shill who just posted above.

Please stop with Darby BS. Anyone with any comprehension skills knows that Paul taught the Rapture in Thessalonians.

Thank you I've been trying to tell him that several times, but if the Bible doesn't agree with him then he posts a load of spammy posts to confuse the issue.

Paul DID NOT teach a pre-trib rapture.
See these.....
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1 Thessalonians 5 is a continuation of 1 Thessalonians 4, which is the theme of the entire Epistle.

Notice these.


1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from
heaven, whom he raised from the dead,
even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 3

3 That no man should be moved by
these afflictions: for yourselves know that
we are appointed thereunto.
4 For verily, when we were with you, we
told you before that we should suffer
tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.



Paul is clearly talking about the Second Coming.

NOT a pre-trib rapture.


1 Thessalonians 5

1 But of the times and the seasons,
brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the
day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and
safety; then sudden destruction cometh
upon them, as travail upon a woman
with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness,
that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the
children of the day: we are not of the
night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others;
but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night;
and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober,
putting on the breastplate of faith
and love; and for an helmet, the hope of


9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath,

but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

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See how these verses are ALL the same event. They compare what Paul said to what Jesus said.

1. Notice that Verses 16 & 17 are pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in the Gospel descriptions.


1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

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2. Then notice how Paul's verses 15 & 17 match....


1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Scripture is "spammy posts"?

Or taking longer than I thought.