Why the Rapture may be sooner than many people think.

Thread: The Rapture and the Timing of the Two Witnesses

You don't preach Jesus Christ to anyone

because it is not in you...

"More proof that the Rapture is Pre-Trib is hidden in the timing of the Two Witnesses. The evidence for this becomes clear as we investigate the question of when the Two Witnesses' ministry begins-during the first half of the Tribulation, or during the second."


"When the first day of the 7-year Trib period (i.e., Daniel's 70th week, Daniel 9:27) begins, it is then that the Two Witnesses appear; their ministry begins on Day 1 of the Trib period, and ends on Day 1,260, when the Antichrist commits the Abomination of Desolation and goes out to murder them.

Now, when you see the impossibility of the time of the Two Witnesses' ministry being in the second half, thus requiring that it be in the first half, you can see the evidence for the Rapture showing clearly as Pre-Trib. Think about it for a moment. The Church of Jesus Christ is commanded to be Jesus' witnesses. (Acts 1:8) Why would God put into operation these two spectacular witnesses to bear witness of Jesus Christ, if the Church were still on Earth to do that job as it has for the past 2,000 years?"

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The idea of a rapture is not scriptural. It is based upon a letter that Paul, a person not necessarily accepted by the disciples of Christ, wrote to the people of Thessalonica only. But, yet not to other churches of the Gentiles nor taught by the 11 Apostles + Barnabus.

Why was the usurper allowed to be the cornerstone of a New Testment? Neither Peter nor John believed Paul's story and sent him off into the Gentiles to preach the teachings of Paul. Not the teachings of Christ, but Paul's own teachings is what he espoused as he was never a follower of Jesus.
If it were such an important truth it would have been told to the Corinthians, the Galatians, the people of Ephesus, too.

There is no easy escape before the Tribulations. Nearly all believers will be killed or taken into slavery.

Jesus will Judge every single one of us.

Jesus will Judge your contempt and derision...

God bless you.

If Jesus suddenly and most astonishingly seized you away directly to Himself,
sparing you of all the horrors of the Wrath of God upon the evil unbelieving world,
would you be angry, unhappy and complaining
or thankful?

I disagree.

I believe The Rapture to be True.

We will see...

God bless you.

Stick your nose up in the air all you want Holly Roller.
I will NOT allow fallacies and feel good delusions to be pushed as facts in my hearing,without striking back out against them.

You can try to paint your self as a poor widdle victim all you want.Early Christians literally had people beating them to death and killing them in the streets.

Meanwhile you can't even have your fragile little reality questioned in the slightest without getting all butt hurt about it.

You know you can't debate your way out of a paper bag.
You know deep down you are hopelessly brainwashed in your little dispensationalist cult,and can't debate your view point to save your life.

I am tearing you apart little man :P

Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Matthew 24:44


But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.

Luke 21:34-36


Jesus would not tell us to seek to be counted worthy to escape these things to come
if some were not found worthy to escape these things to come
and escaped these things to come.

I forgot to include that Paul changed his name from Saul because he would have no career as a preacher for Jesus and fledgling Christianity when he was well known as a Sanhedrin tormentor of the disciples and the instigator for the stoning of Stephen

Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Matthew 24:44


But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.

Luke 21:34-36


Jesus would not tell us to seek to be counted worthy to escape these things to come
if some were not found worthy to escape these things to come
and escaped these things to come.

I agree with you. But diid not Christ look upon the lost sheep of Israel as he was being slaughtered on the cross and ask the Father to forgive them for they no not what they do?

Many of these folks that embrace the pre trib rapture love Christ better than I do. Lifestyle does not equal salvation.

Again the Lord states my people perish for a lack of knowledge.

Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.

Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.

Psalm 27:5


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.

Revelation 3:10

Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

Isaiah 26:20:21

Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Matthew 24:44


But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.

Luke 21:34-36


Jesus would not tell us to seek to be counted worthy to escape these things to come
if some were not found worthy to escape these things to come
and escaped these things to come.

No I agree with your viewpoint.
I'm sure many pre trib rapture applogists and Trump supporters have far more faith then me,and are much better Christians then me in the end.
Salvation or faith is not the issue here.

However blind cult like following of doctrines without logical thought,or blatant ignorance and stupidity strongly vexes me.
Regardless if it's believers or non believers falling for the line of bull,I just have a low tolerance for it in general.

One of my biggest short comings among many others.

If you’re calling him Yashua then you have no clue about the Bible.