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Can we talk about freezers?

 
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Can we talk about freezers?
Is there any point is buying a freezer? I currently have enough freezer space for 3 months.

If things got bad enough where there was a meat shortage, then wouldn't that signal economic collapse? And if so, wouldn't the grid go down shortly after that anyway and all that frozen food would then be history?

I'm just trying to use logic here. How long would the grid stay up after economic collapse? Would I even need more than 3 months of frozen food then? Would it take more than 3 months for the grid to go down after economic collapse?

Anyone with predictive logic that can help me out here? If you think the grid would stay up after meat is gone, how long do you think it would continue to run after meat disapearing?. Where do these things fit on a timeline?

Also, I am in Canada.

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good point...soo the solution for long term freezer food is power...and thats going to be solar and lithium batteries...the battery is about 1000.. the panels are about 1.50 a watt so get a couple 365 watt panels and a victron contoller and your set. total cost around 3 grand.
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I've recently plugged up the deep freeze and stocking it with meat. I'v thought about if there was a long term grid down. I would share the meat with my neighbors. And if it's that bad, don't wanna be cooking anything with that aroma in the air anyway. That's hittin the can food time- and I'll eat it room temp.
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Is there any point is buying a freezer? I currently have enough freezer space for 3 months.

If things got bad enough where there was a meat shortage, then wouldn't that signal economic collapse? And if so, wouldn't the grid go down shortly after that anyway and all that frozen food would then be history?

I'm just trying to use logic here. How long would the grid stay up after economic collapse? Would I even need more than 3 months of frozen food then? Would it take more than 3 months for the grid to go down after economic collapse?

Anyone with predictive logic that can help me out here? If you think the grid would stay up after meat is gone, how long do you think it would continue to run after meat disapearing?. Where do these things fit on a timeline?

Also, I am in Canada.

Thanks
 Quoting: ~ CITRONELLA ~


First of all I recommend everyone get a cheap floor freezer at Walmart or etc. Best 200 bucks you can spend. Second I recommend having a Harbor Freight cheap 99 buck gas generator to run it for if and when. 3rd, I recommend you have lots of salt and print out directions on how to preserve dried meats. You can also have ball jars for chicken that you can easily preserve chicken in for long term use. All the beef can be dried and you can salt and preserve fish and pork has its own ways of preservation. Look it up, study it up and keep that freezer stacked and packed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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P.S. make sure to buy a vac sealer and rolls of bags that you can air seal the meat. Meat lasts a couple of years sealed right.


WHy a floor freezer you ask? Because it does not put your food through a defrosting cycle and this keeps the meat lasting two years uncooked!
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good point...soo the solution for long term freezer food is power...and thats going to be solar and lithium batteries...the battery is about 1000.. the panels are about 1.50 a watt so get a couple 365 watt panels and a victron contoller and your set. total cost around 3 grand.
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panels are about .75/watt if you do it right. You dont need Lithium Ion, 600 Watt pure sine inverter are not pricey.
$500 should do it
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good point...soo the solution for long term freezer food is power...and thats going to be solar and lithium batteries...the battery is about 1000.. the panels are about 1.50 a watt so get a couple 365 watt panels and a victron contoller and your set. total cost around 3 grand.
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panels are about .75/watt if you do it right. You dont need Lithium Ion, 600 Watt pure sine inverter are not pricey.
$500 should do it
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yeah but i like over kill..if your going to do it for the freezer you may as well power up the rest the basics like fridge and comms ..wont run an ac but it will run lights comms and keep food fresh.

I will hopefully retire to a sailboat with 1600 watts of solar 1200 amp hours of lithium and some monster victrons running it. ...
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you can get cheaper solar but LG makes a quality product and its really not that much more than the thin flexible ones that tend to burn out....however if you mount the flexibles to corrugated plastic to allow airflow under them then they work better and last longer but you cant walk on them due to the flexing that will break the cells....its a trade off ...nothing is perfect
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Prep.

Just don’t go too far with the self preservationist thought patterns.


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Re: Can we talk about freezers?
Is there any point is buying a freezer? I currently have enough freezer space for 3 months.

If things got bad enough where there was a meat shortage, then wouldn't that signal economic collapse? And if so, wouldn't the grid go down shortly after that anyway and all that frozen food would then be history?

I'm just trying to use logic here. How long would the grid stay up after economic collapse? Would I even need more than 3 months of frozen food then? Would it take more than 3 months for the grid to go down after economic collapse?

Anyone with predictive logic that can help me out here? If you think the grid would stay up after meat is gone, how long do you think it would continue to run after meat disapearing?. Where do these things fit on a timeline?

Also, I am in Canada.

Thanks
 Quoting: ~ CITRONELLA ~


Grid will never go down unless EMP OR CME!
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Re: Can we talk about freezers?
Is there any point is buying a freezer? I currently have enough freezer space for 3 months.

If things got bad enough where there was a meat shortage, then wouldn't that signal economic collapse? And if so, wouldn't the grid go down shortly after that anyway and all that frozen food would then be history?

I'm just trying to use logic here. How long would the grid stay up after economic collapse? Would I even need more than 3 months of frozen food then? Would it take more than 3 months for the grid to go down after economic collapse?

Anyone with predictive logic that can help me out here? If you think the grid would stay up after meat is gone, how long do you think it would continue to run after meat disapearing?. Where do these things fit on a timeline?

Also, I am in Canada.

Thanks
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Grid will never go down unless EMP OR CME!
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or you live in california and they just turn the damn power off for days at time for no good reason...fire fire fire..germs germs germ ...republicans republicans republicans...
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Re: Can we talk about freezers?
If it is an outdoor freezer get one with a lock on it. Not many models have one, usually large ones.

Are you going to put a whole moose in the freezer?
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Thats for all these replies, I'm still trying to decide.
BC, all the things you said crossed my mind, but here was my fallout logic...

So I forgot to mention, I live in a stack in the city. I would probably have to flee the moment the grid went down if it ever did.

I've researched the generator and also solar thing and batteries but like I mentioned I would have to flee so It would be impractical to solar up.

I'm just trying to figure out if a time could come when we would continue to have power but have no meat for months and months on end. I will check out all your links though because I will probably start part collecting solar anyway. Thank-you.

814 - Thats a point I thought about exactly
546 - Walmart Canada is useless. Im trying to decide I want to get a us address account so I can order things from America. Theses companies charge so much to do this though.

About the moose....if I was up north, sure why not. But Im not, I'm stuck in the city.

Q33 - Everyone said that about the virus but I prepared and now I'm good.

And about survival mentality.... yes I 100 % agree about not getting absorbed by survival mentality, but at the same time be prepared. I believe in aggressively staying 1 step ahead and then working passively and peacefully towards longer term goals.

Right now my gut keep saying to buy a freezer, but logic keeps saying, "there may be no point, go buy some long term preserved food instead." and then sanity says, " you are bordering the irrational line, back up and think "

This dilemma renders me inactive.

Thank-you for all the replies...

I will keep thinking.
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Thats for all these replies, I'm still trying to decide.
BC, all the things you said crossed my mind, but here was my fallout logic...

So I forgot to mention, I live in a stack in the city. I would probably have to flee the moment the grid went down if it ever did.

I've researched the generator and also solar thing and batteries but like I mentioned I would have to flee so It would be impractical to solar up.

I'm just trying to figure out if a time could come when we would continue to have power but have no meat for months and months on end. I will check out all your links though because I will probably start part collecting solar anyway. Thank-you.

814 - Thats a point I thought about exactly
546 - Walmart Canada is useless. Im trying to decide I want to get a us address account so I can order things from America. Theses companies charge so much to do this though.

About the moose....if I was up north, sure why not. But Im not, I'm stuck in the city.

Q33 - Everyone said that about the virus but I prepared and now I'm good.

And about survival mentality.... yes I 100 % agree about not getting absorbed by survival mentality, but at the same time be prepared. I believe in aggressively staying 1 step ahead and then working passively and peacefully towards longer term goals.

Right now my gut keep saying to buy a freezer, but logic keeps saying, "there may be no point, go buy some long term preserved food instead." and then sanity says, " you are bordering the irrational line, back up and think "

This dilemma renders me inactive.

Thank-you for all the replies...

I will keep thinking.
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"To destroy a people, you must first sever their roots"





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