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Trump just Federalized the Grid Today

 
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bringing critical commercial component manufacturing back to US

great thing
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Yes, but let’s say we are in a state of war, this order admits the grid has massive vulnerabilities, actors are documented attempting to exploit these vulnerabilities, and the threat is legitimate enough to issue an executive order protecting our grid and stopping all foreign dependence.

Something is fucky.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Trump knows the Deep State fuckers planned to zap us all with ultra-powerful 5G shit that they've been secretly installing all over the place for years. He just took away their ability to turn that destructive shit on. Don't believe me? Take a good look at the streetlights in your city. They're all LED's now and have thick black antennas sticking out of the top. That's weaponized 5G infrastructure.
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wrong- it is a very good thing

for us citizens
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these are dangerous times and Trump is just fortifying the Nation.
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John D Rockefeller said competition is it
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Is a sin
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He wouldn't understand what sin actually is if it crawled up his ass and laid eggs.

And it did, btw.

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Is China considered an adversary? Because most our equip at our Nuc plant has China parts.

(d) The term “foreign adversary” means any foreign government or foreign non-government person engaged in a long‑term pattern or serious instances of conduct significantly adverse to the national security of the United States or its allies or the security and safety of United States persons.
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Where's the definition for enemy? I bet that would probably be more fitting.
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This is not a good thing.
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wrong- it is a very good thing

for us citizens
 Quoting: USA is doomed


these are dangerous times and Trump is just fortifying the Nation.
 Quoting: apple orchard


John D Rockefeller said competition is it
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did you know that John D. Rockefeller started out selling kerosene,
that's all Oil was good for back in the beginning.
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War time President setteing Wartime Precidence

TRUMP-bump
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Target: November 2020 Election. The Coronavirus turned out to be a media hyped dud. So, switch to Plan B. The voting machines run on electricity. - Protect the Grid -
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Is China considered an adversary? Because most our equip at our Nuc plant has China parts.

(d) The term “foreign adversary” means any foreign government or foreign non-government person engaged in a long‑term pattern or serious instances of conduct significantly adverse to the national security of the United States or its allies or the security and safety of United States persons.
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Where's the definition for enemy? I bet that would probably be more fitting.
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This quote is out of the order.
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Is China considered an adversary? Because most our equip at our Nuc plant has China parts.

(d) The term “foreign adversary” means any foreign government or foreign non-government person engaged in a long‑term pattern or serious instances of conduct significantly adverse to the national security of the United States or its allies or the security and safety of United States persons.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7949032


Where's the definition for enemy? I bet that would probably be more fitting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74628864


This quote is out of the order.
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Just sayin.
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Where are transformers made? What is the stockpile in the US? If American companies can tool up to build millions of ventilators, they sure as heck can tool up to rebuild the National Grid...and when can we have our few billions back for BCHydro stolen by Enron so our power prices drop?
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Where are transformers made? What is the stockpile in the US? If American companies can tool up to build millions of ventilators, they sure as heck can tool up to rebuild the National Grid...and when can we have our few billions back for BCHydro stolen by Enron so our power prices drop?
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Yeah. That’s amazing and all, but imagine what happens when areas don’t have electricity for a month, plus.
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
 Quoting: Jake


This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Our new grid is computerized and China has been making

the components, which gives them unfettered access to

our power grid.


Trump just ended that.
 Quoting: Jake


what about the components that are already in place?
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Where are transformers made? What is the stockpile in the US? If American companies can tool up to build millions of ventilators, they sure as heck can tool up to rebuild the National Grid...and when can we have our few billions back for BCHydro stolen by Enron so our power prices drop?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


Yeah. That’s amazing and all, but imagine what happens when areas don’t have electricity for a month, plus.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


WHy would it be a month or so? Not seeing your connection here?
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Kim's fertilizing, Trump's fedarlizing. WAKE UP.
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In all seriousness you could be on to something.
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Kevin's Federlining.
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bringing critical commercial component manufacturing back to US

great thing
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Yes, but let’s say we are in a state of war, this order admits the grid has massive vulnerabilities, actors are documented attempting to exploit these vulnerabilities, and the threat is legitimate enough to issue an executive order protecting our grid and stopping all foreign dependence.

Something is fucky.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Nice observations in your response replies, Trump AT BEST (like every President) is in the middle- at worst he was a better choice than Clinton, and STILL the worst choice for the country. (In the US, we have a pluralist power structure -we learned about it in the 4th grade, and it's why EVERY President is always "In the Middle".)

What "they're" expecting; the war for the country is carried out in the careers of people who are not elected to office, and this is how it's shaping up:

Thread: GLOBAL NATIONAL SOCIALISM V COMMUNISM WAR 2021 & THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION PLAN: A 2030 SUPER-VIRUS

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Where are transformers made? What is the stockpile in the US? If American companies can tool up to build millions of ventilators, they sure as heck can tool up to rebuild the National Grid...and when can we have our few billions back for BCHydro stolen by Enron so our power prices drop?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


Yeah. That’s amazing and all, but imagine what happens when areas don’t have electricity for a month, plus.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


WHy would it be a month or so? Not seeing your connection here?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


I’m thinking worse case scenario. Let’s be practical there are millions of transformers in the United States. I dont have exact numbers but I am sure someone here knows. The point is, the power companies don’t have enough in storage to replace all of them, not to mention the manpower.

I also don’t know how an EMP or hack works exactly, but there are lots of other electronic devices that might need some help too.

Edit - it also takes weeks sometimes to restore power to a nation ravaged by a hurricane. We are fools to think an attack on the grid would be nothing similar.

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bringing critical commercial component manufacturing back to US

great thing
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Yes, but let’s say we are in a state of war, this order admits the grid has massive vulnerabilities, actors are documented attempting to exploit these vulnerabilities, and the threat is legitimate enough to issue an executive order protecting our grid and stopping all foreign dependence.

Something is fucky.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Yeah the previous few administrations set up the American people to be enslaved by the CCP and the UN. Everything was in place and ready to go, until she lost.
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
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This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Really winning that Trade war isnt he?
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yes he is, Fuck china
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China is asshole
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He's taking India's step one rung higher.
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He's taking India's step one rung higher.
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Sounds like an alliance?
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He's taking India's step one rung higher.
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Explain.
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
 Quoting: Jake


This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


They are the soul source of some very critical and very large transformers of which we have no spares, no ability to manufacture them, and it is about 18 months to build one. If several of these were taken out we would have rolling blackouts until it could be fixed

Sweet. We did this to ourselves. Fucking stupid.
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Remember when Trump let “Generators” slip during a press conference? He actually meant to say Ventilators though. I’m telling you, we are expecting something.
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bumpbumpbump
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bringing critical commercial component manufacturing back to US

great thing
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Yes, but let’s say we are in a state of war, this order admits the grid has massive vulnerabilities, actors are documented attempting to exploit these vulnerabilities, and the threat is legitimate enough to issue an executive order protecting our grid and stopping all foreign dependence.

Something is fucky.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Yes, either he has recent intel on a planned attack on our Grid or he is correcting a decades long-known vulnerability.


I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that foreign adversaries are increasingly creating and exploiting vulnerabilities in the United States bulk-power system, which provides the electricity that supports our national defense, vital emergency services, critical infrastructure, economy, and way of life. The bulk-power system is a target of those seeking to commit malicious acts against the United States and its people, including malicious cyber activities, because a successful attack on our bulk-power system would present significant risks to our economy, human health and safety, and would render the United States less capable of acting in defense of itself and its allies.

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Where are transformers made? What is the stockpile in the US? If American companies can tool up to build millions of ventilators, they sure as heck can tool up to rebuild the National Grid...and when can we have our few billions back for BCHydro stolen by Enron so our power prices drop?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


Yeah. That’s amazing and all, but imagine what happens when areas don’t have electricity for a month, plus.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


WHy would it be a month or so? Not seeing your connection here?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


I’m thinking worse case scenario. Let’s be practical there are millions of transformers in the United States. I dont have exact numbers but I am sure someone here knows. The point is, the power companies don’t have enough in storage to replace all of them, not to mention the manpower.

I also don’t know how an EMP or hack works exactly, but there are lots of other electronic devices that might need some help too.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


I’m more than sure this administration isn’t only ramping up production of ventilators after the President activated the DEFENSE production act.

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Where are transformers made? What is the stockpile in the US? If American companies can tool up to build millions of ventilators, they sure as heck can tool up to rebuild the National Grid...and when can we have our few billions back for BCHydro stolen by Enron so our power prices drop?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


The transformers are made in China and South America. They take 18-24 months to get on the "fast track". These are significant assets. Generally, there are no extras kept in stock.

I would not doubt the ability of American manufacturing to re-tool and produce this equipment if needed, but to my knowledge, we don't currently have the ability. That said, our grid is just that. It's a redundant electric system. It may not be impenetrable, but we can get it back up and running very quickly if needed.

I've spent most of my life working with electricity and our electric grid. My friends and co-workers understand how critical the service that we provide is to our community. We are your neighbors. We don't intend to let you down.
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
 Quoting: Jake


This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Our new grid is computerized and China has been making

the components, which gives them unfettered access to

our power grid.


Trump just ended that.
 Quoting: Jake


what about the components that are already in place?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78275883


See Section 2 (ii) of today’s EO:

“(ii) develop recommendations on ways to identify, isolate, monitor, or replace such items as soon as practicable, taking into consideration overall risk to the bulk-power system.”
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yes he is, Fuck china
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By winning you mean completely shutting down trade permanently with no plan in place to fill those goods coming in or being exported? Lol. Thats gonna work out well.
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That is their problem at the corporate level

After this if you don't reroute your supply chains

you are a fucking idiot.
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Hey I have an Idea. Why dont we just give control of everything over to the President. What could go wrong with centralized power? Your fucking dumb and a bootlicking goose stepping asshat.
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Sucks ass to be you chingaling ching chong man.
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bringing critical commercial component manufacturing back to US

great thing
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Yes, but let’s say we are in a state of war, this order admits the grid has massive vulnerabilities, actors are documented attempting to exploit these vulnerabilities, and the threat is legitimate enough to issue an executive order protecting our grid and stopping all foreign dependence.

Something is fucky.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


First off, our grid has been neglected and should've been hardened against EMP (man made or Sun induced) a long time ago.

Someone correct me but I swear I recall something about our big-ass aircraft that relied on Chinese electronics and w/in past few yrs have been stripped and re outfitted w/ tech to prevent major issues.

Hell, most of US infrastructure is in such bad shape, like our bridges.
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He's taking India's step one rung higher.
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Explain.
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Recently India announced that they were no longer allowing China to invest in their Country. What does that mean and how true is it..? Do some digging
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I think it's great.
Many security professionals have been warning on Chinese parts for years.

Many years ago I warned on IP cams.
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Didn’t Trump already sign an E.O. intended to protect the grid? I thought it happened last year at some point.





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