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Trump just Federalized the Grid Today

 
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WELL TRUMP DID SAY INFRASTRUCTURE WAS NEXT.

NOW HE'S DOING IT.

WE'RE GOING BACK TO MADE IN AMERICA INDUSTRIAL AGE (WITH THE MODERN DIFFERENCES) AGAIN!

I FOR ONE WELCOME IT. I WANT TO SEE CHEMICAL FACTORIES MAKING OUR SUPPLEMENTS, MEDICINES, RAW MATERIALS, MADE IN AMERICA.

AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER INDUSTRY WE SHOVED OVER INTO OTHER COUNTRIES SO CEO''S COULD SAVE A BUCK.
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so this will keep PG%E from playing it's power outage grids every fall now while they clear land with wildfires for agenda 2030 chicommm style.

this sounds like trump giving newsom a nice heads up. we know what you've been doing the last couple years with those 'outages' in cali.
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PG&E and National Grid were both shutting down power, over driving natural gas, then turning the power back on. Not anymore.

They were behind the CA firs and the 120 homes that exploded in Boston.

Can they still do it? Probably yes through the Spectre exploit, but not for long. Army corps of Engineers are on it. So are many in the private sector.
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I’m from that area. Talked to people affected. I always felt that there was WAY more than they were telling us. All you need is to hack the control panel and reroute pressure where you shouldn’t. Then boom.
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California October 2017 fire area signs of attack by ??? with ???
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Where are transformers made? What is the stockpile in the US? If American companies can tool up to build millions of ventilators, they sure as heck can tool up to rebuild the National Grid...and when can we have our few billions back for BCHydro stolen by Enron so our power prices drop?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


Yeah. That’s amazing and all, but imagine what happens when areas don’t have electricity for a month, plus.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


WHy would it be a month or so? Not seeing your connection here?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


I’m thinking worse case scenario. Let’s be practical there are millions of transformers in the United States. I dont have exact numbers but I am sure someone here knows. The point is, the power companies don’t have enough in storage to replace all of them, not to mention the manpower.

I also don’t know how an EMP or hack works exactly, but there are lots of other electronic devices that might need some help too.

Edit - it also takes weeks sometimes to restore power to a nation ravaged by a hurricane. We are fools to think an attack on the grid would be nothing similar.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


The after effects of a broad outage would be closer to NYC in 2004 or the Bahamas during Hurricane Dorian. No power anywhere vs. a normal storm that leaves some areas still in lights.

No power=no gasoline, no credit/debit card transactions, sometimes no water. Our society would begin to crumble in days not weeks.
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(b) The term “bulk-power system electric equipment” means items used in bulk-power system substations, control rooms, or power generating stations, including reactors, capacitors, substation transformers, current coupling capacitors, large generators, backup generators, substation voltage regulators, shunt capacitor equipment, automatic circuit reclosers, instrument transformers, coupling capacity voltage transformers, protective relaying, metering equipment, high voltage circuit breakers, generation turbines, industrial control systems, distributed control systems, and safety instrumented systems. Items not included in the preceding list and that have broader application of use beyond the bulk-power system are outside the scope of this order.

I work in the power generation industry. Most power plants are controlled by Windows 7 desktop computers, linked to Allen Bradley PLCs which actually do the direct controlling of the generation unit.

Is there such a thing as a desktop PC made in the USA? I don't think the PLCs are made in the USA either, actually I'm sure they aren't.

How the hell am I supposed to go about rectifying this situation? It could cost millions of dollars to convert the PLC logic to an American made PLC, of which I don't even know of one that exists.
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bringing critical commercial component manufacturing back to US

great thing
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Yes, but let’s say we are in a state of war, this order admits the grid has massive vulnerabilities, actors are documented attempting to exploit these vulnerabilities, and the threat is legitimate enough to issue an executive order protecting our grid and stopping all foreign dependence.

Something is fucky.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Trump knows the Deep State fuckers planned to zap us all with ultra-powerful 5G shit that they've been secretly installing all over the place for years. He just took away their ability to turn that destructive shit on. Don't believe me? Take a good look at the streetlights in your city. They're all LED's now and have thick black antennas sticking out of the top. That's weaponized 5G infrastructure.
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Trump is a punk ass bitch.

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While we are all distracted with the virus, Trump quietly passed an executive order essentially protecting our electrical grid. The language in the order specifically states foreign equipment is a threat to national security.

What are we expecting?
[link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


How is an EO protecting the grid? It's the same grid before the EO and the same grid after the EO. Something in writing doesn't mitigate physical hardware.
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He's taking India's step one rung higher.
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Explain.
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Recently India announced that they were no longer allowing China to invest in their Country. What does that mean and how true is it..? Do some digging
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If true, China fucked the world and the world knows it. But we already know that. Chinese owned media wants to blame Orange Man. I wonder who holds shares in American Media Conglomerates....
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I get the sense the electrical grid may be vulnerable, especially in the coming weeks/months as this covert war between factions and world events intensifies. I feel this is a positive thing to make the grid more secure.
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I get the sense the electrical grid may be vulnerable, especially in the coming weeks/months as this covert war between factions and world events intensifies. I feel this is a positive thing to make the grid more secure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78860277


How the fuck is it going to do that? All the computer components that control the grid were made in China.

You're telling me that with a stroke of a pen, Trump just required the entire grid to throw out their computers and PLCs and replace them with domestically made hardware, which even if it FUCKING EXISTED, would cost a trillion dollars to replace????
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Where are transformers made? What is the stockpile in the US? If American companies can tool up to build millions of ventilators, they sure as heck can tool up to rebuild the National Grid...and when can we have our few billions back for BCHydro stolen by Enron so our power prices drop?
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


The transformers are made in China and South America. They take 18-24 months to get on the "fast track". These are significant assets. Generally, there are no extras kept in stock.

I would not doubt the ability of American manufacturing to re-tool and produce this equipment if needed, but to my knowledge, we don't currently have the ability. That said, our grid is just that. It's a redundant electric system. It may not be impenetrable, but we can get it back up and running very quickly if needed.

I've spent most of my life working with electricity and our electric grid. My friends and co-workers understand how critical the service that we provide is to our community. We are your neighbors. We don't intend to let you down.
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A tree fell, late on a Thursday night during a storm. Wiped out the power, tore the mast off the house. We called BCHydro using the battery power from a now defunct car to cut the power. The local electricians showed up Friday afternoon, stayed until 8pm fixed everything, signed off on it, then BCHydro showed up about midnight and checked everything and the power was back on. Three cheers for you and your friends everywhere!

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I get the sense the electrical grid may be vulnerable, especially in the coming weeks/months as this covert war between factions and world events intensifies. I feel this is a positive thing to make the grid more secure.
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We can only hope.
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
 Quoting: Jake


This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


They are the soul source of some very critical and very large transformers of which we have no spares, no ability to manufacture them, and it is about 18 months to build one. If several of these were taken out we would have rolling blackouts until it could be fixed

Sweet. We did this to ourselves. Fucking stupid.
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Exactly. He just resurrected an entire industry. Trump, The Resurrector!
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wrong- it is a very good thing

for us citizens
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these are dangerous times and Trump is just fortifying the Nation.
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John D Rockefeller said competition is it
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did you know that John D. Rockefeller started out selling kerosene,
that's all Oil was good for back in the beginning.
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No, he actually started out in Cleveland manufacturing and selling wooden barrels that were probably used for kerosene and/or flour.
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He's taking India's step one rung higher.
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Explain.
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Recently India announced that they were no longer allowing China to invest in their Country.
 Quoting: Brotha Bubs

Notice how after Trump went to India recently, suddenly India allowed Amazon and Apple to operate in their country (literally a couple days later). There is definitely an alliance happening.
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I get the sense the electrical grid may be vulnerable, especially in the coming weeks/months as this covert war between factions and world events intensifies. I feel this is a positive thing to make the grid more secure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78860277


How the fuck is it going to do that? All the computer components that control the grid were made in China.

You're telling me that with a stroke of a pen, Trump just required the entire grid to throw out their computers and PLCs and replace them with domestically made hardware, which even if it FUCKING EXISTED, would cost a trillion dollars to replace????
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


They just spent 6.2 right? Has anyone here looked into that to see exactly where that money went? I don’t know where it all went but I’m not going to pretend that if they had suspicions of the grid being at risk and had to put a plan together to fix it that they wouldn’t slide some of that money to companies who would be able mass produce whatever is needed. (BEFORE he signed the E.O.)
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He's taking India's step one rung higher.
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Explain.
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Recently India announced that they were no longer allowing China to invest in their Country.
 Quoting: Brotha Bubs

Notice how after Trump went to India recently, suddenly India allowed Amazon and Apple to operate in their country (literally a couple days later). There is definitely an alliance happening.
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No doubt in my mind. Wish I knew where to invest my money with our new alliance.
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“ I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that foreign adversaries are increasingly creating and exploiting vulnerabilities in the United States bulk-power system, which provides the electricity that supports our national defense, vital emergency services, critical infrastructure, economy, and way of life. The bulk-power system is a target of those seeking to commit malicious acts against the United States and its people, including malicious cyber activities, because a successful attack on our bulk-power system would present significant risks to our economy, human health and safety, and would render the United States less capable of acting in defense of itself and its allies.”


Translation - Not fucking good.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


That's some very pointed and tough language in that E.O.!
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It also prevents local power companies from shutting off the power of those who do not "comply"
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bringing critical commercial component manufacturing back to US

great thing
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Yes, but let’s say we are in a state of war, this order admits the grid has massive vulnerabilities, actors are documented attempting to exploit these vulnerabilities, and the threat is legitimate enough to issue an executive order protecting our grid and stopping all foreign dependence.

Something is fucky.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Nothing is that. What it does is give the feds enough
'authority' to stop using foreign equipment or parts
to fix or update or otherwise install on the grid because---
every foreign country that makes parts for electrical
equipment is an "untrustworthy source".

He's protecting us. Why do you always have to 'push fear'
over issues that have TWO SIDES??!!

If you have not noticed, U.S. manufacturing is not done
here anymore, it's produced outside our own country.

Would you trust foreign labor and equipment including parts
to our grid?????

Because it seems to me the 'new normal' is STOP TRUSTING
FOREIGNERS.

We saw what CHI-NAH did to us with medical supplies.

I think it's a start to stop our country from being
exploited through cheap labor with enemies.

BUT---take the "glass is half empty" on issues. You'll
ruin your sleep cycle for nothing.

The President is not the problem. Foreign investment
into production from greedy corporations is tho'...
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
 Quoting: Jake


This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Really winning that Trade war isnt he?
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STFU blowhard.
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While we are all distracted with the virus, Trump quietly passed an executive order essentially protecting our electrical grid. The language in the order specifically states foreign equipment is a threat to national security.

What are we expecting?
[link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Hello

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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
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This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Our new grid is computerized and China has been making

the components, which gives them unfettered access to

out power grid.


Trump just ended that.
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bsflagbsflagbsflag

Link? Show me proof of this unfettered access? They make components not operating systems. Lol. Jake do you understand how Computers work?
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Information Technology expert here. Jake is right. The microchips can be manufactured in a way to allow back doors and vulnerabilities inside the hardware its self.

Software vulnerabilities are easy to patch, hardware vulnerabilities are very hard to get rid of.

Go read up on meltd0wn and sp3cter.
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“ I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that foreign adversaries are increasingly creating and exploiting vulnerabilities in the United States bulk-power system, which provides the electricity that supports our national defense, vital emergency services, critical infrastructure, economy, and way of life. The bulk-power system is a target of those seeking to commit malicious acts against the United States and its people, including malicious cyber activities, because a successful attack on our bulk-power system would present significant risks to our economy, human health and safety, and would render the United States less capable of acting in defense of itself and its allies.”


Translation - Not fucking good.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Translation, no more transformers and control systems from China.
We USED to make that stuff in America, before Democrat Environazi’s made them too expensive.
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Isn't it past time to do this with TV, radio, magazines, and newspaper media moguls?

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Probably expecting the power grid to be hacked and shut down remotely by China, any day now.

No EMP worries, as the grid is being replaced with all-new equipment.
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He's taking India's step one rung higher.
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Explain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74628864


Recently India announced that they were no longer allowing China to invest in their Country.
 Quoting: Brotha Bubs

Notice how after Trump went to India recently, suddenly India allowed Amazon and Apple to operate in their country (literally a couple days later). There is definitely an alliance happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78666864


Yeah that amazed us. My wife had a couple weeks before been working to get her book published and distributed in India. And was lamenting that Amazon wasnt there.

Then suddenly Amazon opened in India. It was definitely like a miracle.

Thanks Mr President !
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
 Quoting: Jake


This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Our new grid is computerized and China has been making

the components, which gives them unfettered access to

our power grid.


Trump just ended that.
 Quoting: Jake


Yup. This is so good.
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does this protect us from an EMP because that is the real deal protection otherwise its no protection AT ALL





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