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Trump just Federalized the Grid Today

 
Brotha Bubs

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does this protect us from an EMP because that is the real deal protection otherwise its no protection AT ALL
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If you’re saying that on a conspiracy site, intel under this administration have obviously already thought about it and have been planning for that. Just difficult to play prevent defense in a fairly large country with an open society where individuals within our own Nation seem to be working with that same strategic adversary.
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It looks like the world reached a tipping point - alliances are being drawn up for the post-COVID age.
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While we are all distracted with the virus, Trump quietly passed an executive order essentially protecting our electrical grid. The language in the order specifically states foreign equipment is a threat to national security.

What are we expecting?
[link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)]
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Read all Forstchen's trilogy (he's in NC mountains) and it was the most depressing set of books I've ever read, hands down.

And the most realistic. Heaven help us if that shit happens.
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I can picture it now. It’s the middle of a heat wave in July, states have extended their “shelter-in-place” orders at least 3 times, masks are required causing people to sweat bullets and then the power goes out.

Sounds like a scene from Falling Down. Get ready to see people lose their shit completely.
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Full Order:-

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While we are all distracted with the virus, Trump quietly passed an executive order essentially protecting our electrical grid. The language in the order specifically states foreign equipment is a threat to national security.

What are we expecting?
[link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


How is an EO protecting the grid? It's the same grid before the EO and the same grid after the EO. Something in writing doesn't mitigate physical hardware.
 Quoting: Matrix64


If you read the link you will see how it will protect the grid and how they propose to go about it. This is long over due! It appears they know what vulnerabilities in the equipment to look for. This is just a portion.. (bold is mine)

(b) Rules and regulations issued pursuant to this order may, among other things, determine that particular countries or persons are foreign adversaries exclusively for the purposes of this order; identify persons owned by, controlled by, or subject to the jurisdiction or direction of foreign adversaries exclusively for the purposes of this order; identify particular equipment or countries with respect to which transactions involving bulk-power system electric equipment warrant particular scrutiny under the provisions of this order.

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05/01/2020 10:42 PM
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Why not give incentives for everyone to generate their own electric, refunds on solar panels, hot water drums and installation.

THAT would help...unless your goal is to control everything
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bringing critical commercial component manufacturing back to US

great thing
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I work in the power generation industry. Most power plants are controlled by Windows 7 desktop computers, linked to Allen Bradley PLCs which actually do the direct controlling of the generation unit.

Is there such a thing as a desktop PC made in the USA? I don't think the PLCs are made in the USA either, actually I'm sure they aren't.

How the hell am I supposed to go about rectifying this situation? It could cost millions of dollars to convert the PLC logic to an American made PLC, of which I don't even know of one that exists.
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Well Mr Trump must know of one that is about to exist....
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Quote.

I, Donald.j.Trump, President of the United States of America, find that adversaries are increasingly creating and exploiting vulnerabilities in the United States bulk- power system,.....

Last Edited by Pinkorchid- Covfefe on 05/01/2020 10:48 PM
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This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Really winning that Trade war isnt he?
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yes he is, Fuck china
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By winning you mean completely shutting down trade permanently with no plan in place to fill those goods coming in or being exported? Lol. Thats gonna work out well.
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PRIOR to the plague, California was 35% on welfare. Several other states were nearly that high. Problem solved. Put the ones who can work to work making these things.
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
 Quoting: Jake


This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Really winning that Trade war isnt he?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78860588


Yep
There's never a dull moment here on planet earth, unless GLP ceased to exist...

Oh, and the riots didn't start themselves...
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yes he is, Fuck china
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By winning you mean completely shutting down trade permanently with no plan in place to fill those goods coming in or being exported? Lol. Thats gonna work out well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78860588


That is their problem at the corporate level

After this if you don't reroute your supply chains

you are a fucking idiot.
 Quoting: Jake


Hey I have an Idea. Why dont we just give control of everything over to the President. What could go wrong with centralized power? Your fucking dumb and a bootlicking goose stepping asshat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78860588


The corporations that run the world have (past tense) taken control of everything already!

There are no nations, only corporations.

They need us to believe their constant lies -

Less meat and more grains will help us trust them -
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Quote.

I, Donald.j.Trump, President of the United States of America, find that adversaries are increasingly creating and exploiting vulnerabilities in the United States bulk- power system,.....
 Quoting: Pinkorchid- Covfefe


PG&E - We bring bad things to life.
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05/01/2020 10:53 PM
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*checks grid*
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*Double checks*
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twirl
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I'm glad I ordered a Tailgator from Harbor Freight yesterday.
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Here's one for foreign involvement in telecommunications

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While we are all distracted with the virus, Trump quietly passed an executive order essentially protecting our electrical grid. The language in the order specifically states foreign equipment is a threat to national security.

What are we expecting?
[link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Millions of Americans at home for the summer watching TV with the A C on 65degrees overloading the grid.

The next panic buying is gonna be Honda Gensets
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“ I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that foreign adversaries are increasingly creating and exploiting vulnerabilities in the United States bulk-power system, which provides the electricity that supports our national defense, vital emergency services, critical infrastructure, economy, and way of life. The bulk-power system is a target of those seeking to commit malicious acts against the United States and its people, including malicious cyber activities, because a successful attack on our bulk-power system would present significant risks to our economy, human health and safety, and would render the United States less capable of acting in defense of itself and its allies.”


Translation - Not fucking good.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


translation: false flag, the pentagon is going to attack the US power grid and blame it on someone else.
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FIVE GEE
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It also prevents local power companies from shutting off the power of those who do not "comply"
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It also makes it easy for the government to do exactly what you claim the private companies would do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78860588


This order might also allow the military to take over utilities in the event of an attack.

Again, what are we expecting?
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


What are we expecting...
WAR...

America spent 1.6 trillion $ in 2 years “ rebuilding”its exhausted military machine...

question is when...
attacking America now with its internal problems

a prophecy was written about this, internal conflict within America-

Russia/China & other small countries attack conventionally
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While we are all distracted with the virus, Trump quietly passed an executive order essentially protecting our electrical grid. The language in the order specifically states foreign equipment is a threat to national security.

What are we expecting?
[link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


NOT 'federalizing' ANYTHING, and such an EO is FAR beyond his authority in ALL WAYS.


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While we are all distracted with the virus, Trump quietly passed an executive order essentially protecting our electrical grid. The language in the order specifically states foreign equipment is a threat to national security.

What are we expecting?
[link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


That's to keep China from hacking it. Huawei.
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GUYS PLEASE TELL ME IT'S NOT PROJECT MOONBEAM?
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I get the sense the electrical grid may be vulnerable, especially in the coming weeks/months as this covert war between factions and world events intensifies. I feel this is a positive thing to make the grid more secure.
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How the fuck is it going to do that? All the computer components that control the grid were made in China.

You're telling me that with a stroke of a pen, Trump just required the entire grid to throw out their computers and PLCs and replace them with domestically made hardware, which even if it FUCKING EXISTED, would cost a trillion dollars to replace????
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


bump
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
 Quoting: Jake


This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Our new grid is computerized and China has been making

the components, which gives them unfettered access to

out power grid.


Trump just ended that.
 Quoting: Jake


He is doing the same with the entire US Military

No more Chinese Components
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Too little, too late.
Do as thou wilt
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Is anyone able to trace back any of the components to China that is currently in use in our power grid with links etc? I am deep diving now and I either don't know where to look or I am just stupid :P Could be both LOL
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Where the fuck are you going to get variable frequency drives made in America? All the chips and boards are made in China, even if they are assembled in America.

1dunno1

Every automation device controlling the grid has chips that could have backdoors originating from China.

Last Edited by R. Wordsworth on 05/01/2020 11:40 PM
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unrestricted foreign supply of bulk-power system electric equipment constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security,

He's blocking Equipment Made in CHINA>
 Quoting: Jake


This order was basically tailor made for China. He is anticipating the supply gets “cut off” or sabotaged.
 Quoting: AmericanSpyglass


Our new grid is computerized and China has been making

the components, which gives them unfettered access to

our power grid.


Trump just ended that.
 Quoting: Jake


Well, not really ended, not until all components are replaced with secure US made. But it's a good thing. We've all known that the US power grid is one of our weakest points. Glad he's doing something about it.....
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I AM ALL IN





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