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Rv6, the fourth seal, the vision of the Fourth Horseman, is one quarter of the men literal or symbolic?

 
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When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: “Come!” 8 And I saw, and look! a pale horse, and the one seated on it had the name Death. And the Grave was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth. Rv6:7

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I think it’s literal but I question the timing. Is it one event in the future or has it been an ongoing event for all of history, or is it both? I feel like bible prophecy is past present and future. What was, what is and what yet is to come.
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The four horsemen come out fast. Similar situations played out in history but had different apparent order. Nothing on the magnitude of the finale
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I guess the good news is we are at the 4th seal so not too far from the 7th seal
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I think it’s literal but I question the timing. Is it one event in the future or has it been an ongoing event for all of history, or is it both? I feel like bible prophecy is past present and future. What was, what is and what yet is to come.
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Right more specifically from the beginning of the last days in 1914, Mt24 thru Armageddon Rv19:17.
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I guess the good news is we are at the 4th seal so not too far from the 7th seal
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Yes the sixth seal is nearing it's completion now;

"After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
....
13 In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down on them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.

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I think it’s literal but I question the timing. Is it one event in the future or has it been an ongoing event for all of history, or is it both? I feel like bible prophecy is past present and future. What was, what is and what yet is to come.
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It's from Christ beginning his 1,000 year reign and casting Satan and his demons down to the earth in 1914, thru Armageddon. Rv12:7
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I think it’s literal but I question the timing. Is it one event in the future or has it been an ongoing event for all of history, or is it both? I feel like bible prophecy is past present and future. What was, what is and what yet is to come.
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It's from Christ beginning his 1,000 year reign and casting Satan and his demons down to the earth in 1914, thru Armageddon. Rv12:7
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If this quote is not correct, I will leave GLP

But since I once owned the book myself to show JWs that came to the door, and have viewed it myself in kingdom halls.


"Prophecy," by Judge J.F. Rutherford (1929). The one who gave the group the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931.

On Page 65 of the book states:

"The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D."


In 1929+ JWs were still saying that Jesus returned in 1874


They claim that they were the ones that recognized in 1914 that He had returned.

But History shows that 15 years after 1914 they were still teaching 1874 as the Return


All based upon the erroneous date of 607 for the fall of Jerusalem

Every Encyclopedia in the world has the date as 586 B.C.


There are over 10,000 cuneiform tablets as evidence.


pretending that He returned in 1914 is a JOKE



Prove Me Wrong


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I think it’s literal but I question the timing. Is it one event in the future or has it been an ongoing event for all of history, or is it both? I feel like bible prophecy is past present and future. What was, what is and what yet is to come.
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It's from Christ beginning his 1,000 year reign and casting Satan and his demons down to the earth in 1914, thru Armageddon. Rv12:7
 Quoting: DGN


If this quote is not correct, I will leave GLP

But since I once owned the book myself to show JWs that came to the door, and have viewed it myself in kingdom halls.


"Prophecy," by Judge J.F. Rutherford (1929). Rutherford, the 2nd president of the Watchtower Society, later gave the group the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931. "Prophecy," by Judge J.F. Rutherford (1929). Rutherford, the 2nd president of the Watchtower Society, later gave the group the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931.

Page 65 of the book states: "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D."


In 1931 JWs were still saying that Jesus returned in 1874


They claim that they were the ones that recognized in 1914 that He had returned.

But History shows that 17 years after 1914 they were still teaching 1874 as the Return


All based upon the erroneous date of 607 for the fall of Jerusalem

Every Encyclopedia in the world has the date as 586 B.C.


There are over 10,000 cuneiform tablets as evidence.


pretending that He returned in 1914 is a JOKE



Prove Me Wrong


~
 Quoting: 232


Who cares what a man thought, Jehovah doesn't guarantee any man's opinion as if they were divinely inspired like the bible writers, here's what Christ said;

"While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”
4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." Mt24:4
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When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: “Come!” 8 And I saw, and look! a pale horse, and the one seated on it had the name Death. And the Grave was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth. Rv6:7
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Your Bible is man written garbage.

Stop trying to role play it into existence.
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I think it’s literal but I question the timing. Is it one event in the future or has it been an ongoing event for all of history, or is it both? I feel like bible prophecy is past present and future. What was, what is and what yet is to come.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57735047


It's from Christ beginning his 1,000 year reign and casting Satan and his demons down to the earth in 1914, thru Armageddon. Rv12:7
 Quoting: DGN


If this quote is not correct, I will leave GLP

But since I once owned the book myself to show JWs that came to the door, and have viewed it myself in kingdom halls.


"Prophecy," by Judge J.F. Rutherford (1929). Rutherford, the 2nd president of the Watchtower Society, later gave the group the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931. "Prophecy," by Judge J.F. Rutherford (1929). Rutherford, the 2nd president of the Watchtower Society, later gave the group the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931.

Page 65 of the book states: "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D."


In 1931 JWs were still saying that Jesus returned in 1874


They claim that they were the ones that recognized in 1914 that He had returned.

But History shows that 17 years after 1914 they were still teaching 1874 as the Return


All based upon the erroneous date of 607 for the fall of Jerusalem

Every Encyclopedia in the world has the date as 586 B.C.


There are over 10,000 cuneiform tablets as evidence.


pretending that He returned in 1914 is a JOKE



Prove Me Wrong


~
 Quoting: 232


Who cares what a man thought, Jehovah doesn't guarantee any man's opinion as if they were divinely inspired like the bible writers, here's what Christ said;

"While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”
4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." Mt24:4
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The whole Jehovah picked us is a lie, based upon a lie

That does matter.

and you love and practice that lie



Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

The man made organization you are believing in for your salvation is a LIE

From the father of LIES

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It's from Christ beginning his 1,000 year reign and casting Satan and his demons down to the earth in 1914, thru Armageddon. Rv12:7
 Quoting: DGN


If this quote is not correct, I will leave GLP

But since I once owned the book myself to show JWs that came to the door, and have viewed it myself in kingdom halls.


"Prophecy," by Judge J.F. Rutherford (1929). Rutherford, the 2nd president of the Watchtower Society, later gave the group the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931. "Prophecy," by Judge J.F. Rutherford (1929). Rutherford, the 2nd president of the Watchtower Society, later gave the group the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931.

Page 65 of the book states: "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D."


In 1931 JWs were still saying that Jesus returned in 1874


They claim that they were the ones that recognized in 1914 that He had returned.

But History shows that 17 years after 1914 they were still teaching 1874 as the Return


All based upon the erroneous date of 607 for the fall of Jerusalem

Every Encyclopedia in the world has the date as 586 B.C.


There are over 10,000 cuneiform tablets as evidence.


pretending that He returned in 1914 is a JOKE



Prove Me Wrong


~
 Quoting: 232


Who cares what a man thought, Jehovah doesn't guarantee any man's opinion as if they were divinely inspired like the bible writers, here's what Christ said;

"While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”
4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." Mt24:4
 Quoting: DGN


The whole Jehovah picked us is a lie, based upon a lie

That does matter.

and you love and practice that lie



Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

The man made organization you are believing in for your salvation is a LIE

From the father of LIES

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charles taze russell the Founder of the watchtower bible and tract society

The Finished Mystery, 1917 edition, p. 368


Fall 1874 A.D. Second Advent of the Lord

Fall 1914 A.D. Dominion Restored to Mankind


charles believed that Jesus would return bodily in 1914 and set up the Kingdom

Today 1914 is when they say He took dominion secretly in heaven and picked them to be His messenger on the earth

They claim to be His Prophet

Should a organization that claims to have "The Truth" while attacking any other that goes outside watchtower thinking, be above the standard they set for themselves?

Only if they are Hypocrites, and JWs are HYPOCRITES

They refuse to acknowledge the multiple false prophesies their savior has made while claiming to be the Only spokesman for YHWH on the Earth.

But they have been brainwashed, not to entertain the thought that their mother, The wbts would possibly lie to them

Not being of one mind with the organization is Apostate Thinking

and those kind of thoughts are from the devil, don't allow the truth to interfere with what we are telling you now, what we say now is what matters.

obey obey obey or be destroyed with the wicked, excommunicated from your family.

A sick sick sick organization that spreads their filth all over the world.

Anathema to the lowest hell

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Do you count the hours that spend here as service hours that you report to the elders of your kingdom hall?
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Do you count the hours that spend here as service hours that you report to the elders of your kingdom hall?
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No.
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Do you count the hours that spend here as service hours that you report to the elders of your kingdom hall?
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No.
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Thank you for the answer. These days it must not be so easy to go preaching door to door as you once did.
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Do you count the hours that spend here as service hours that you report to the elders of your kingdom hall?
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No.
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Thank you for the answer. These days it must not be so easy to go preaching door to door as you once did.
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They didn't want to hear the divine invitation/solution even before the plague, even lesser so now.
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Verse 26701 = 16 = 7

John 15:1 = 16 = 7

32 = 5

I Am The True Vine, and My Father is The Husbandman.


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YESHUA = 79 ~ 16

John Fifteen - One = 146 = 11

Total Value = 443 = 11

146+443 = 589 = 22 = 4

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Verse 146 = 11

Genesis 6:8 = 14

25 = 7

But Noah found Grace in The Eyes of YHWH.

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Verse 443 = 11

Genesis 18:18 = 36

47 = 11

Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

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Verse 589 = 22

Genesis 23:17 = 40

62 = 8

And the field of Ephron, which was in Machpelah, which was before Mamre, the field, and the cave which was therein, and all the trees that were in the field, that were in all the borders round about, were made sure.


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Genesis 50:13 = 63

For his sons carried him into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a buryingplace of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.

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Verse 26701 = 16 = 7

John 15:1 = 16 = 7

32 = 5

I Am The True Vine, and My Father is The Husbandman.


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YESHUA = 79 ~ 16 = 7

JESUS = 74 = 11


John Fifteen - One = 146 = 11

Total Value = 443 = 11

146+443 = 589 = 22 = 4

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Verse 146 = 11

Genesis 6:8 = 14

25 = 7

But Noah found Grace in The Eyes of YHWH.

~

Verse 443 = 11

Genesis 18:18 = 36

47 = 11

Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

~

Verse 589 = 22

Genesis 23:17 = 40

62 = 8

And the field of Ephron, which was in Machpelah, which was before Mamre, the field, and the cave which was therein, and all the trees that were in the field, that were in all the borders round about, were made sure.


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~~~~~~~

Genesis 50:13 = 63

For his sons carried him into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a buryingplace of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.

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YESHUA ~ JESUS = 153

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Verse 146 = 11

Genesis 6:8 = 14

25 = 7

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Verse 443 = 11

Genesis 18:18 = 36

47 = 11

~

Verse 589 = 22

Genesis 23:17 = 40

62 = 8

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146+443+589 = 1178


Verse 1178 = 17

Genesis 40:5 = 45

62 = 8

And they dreamed a dream both of them, each man his dream in one night, each man according to the interpretation of his dream, the butler and the baker of the king of Egypt, which were bound in the prison.


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232 being that your replies are mathematical gibberish I am deleting them, please post coherent thoughts, even if contrary so people know what your saying.
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When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: “Come!” 8 And I saw, and look! a pale horse, and the one seated on it had the name Death. And the Grave was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth. Rv6:7
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It refers to this.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

It's largely about a certain doctrine that a fourth of the world's population believes in.
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I guess the good news is we are at the 4th seal so not too far from the 7th seal
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It doesn't work like that.

From where I'm sitting all of revelation has passed, for others, none of it has.


This is what happens when people seek to be in a group, and not stand as an individual.
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I guess the good news is we are at the 4th seal so not too far from the 7th seal
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It doesn't work like that.

From where I'm sitting all of revelation has passed, for others, none of it has.


This is what happens when people seek to be in a group, and not stand as an individual.
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If all of Revelation has passed and God reveals his secrets to individuals, what year was Armageddon establishing Christ's full 1,000 year reign?





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