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Forced Vax in South Carolina - Law since 1905 - Update in OP

 
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Unfortunately, most private corporations will demand proof of vaccinations for employment, and theres little an individual can do about it.

The fact will always remain, for this kind of virus there is no proven safe and effective vaccine, and I dont see one showing up anytime soon.
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My friend is a nurse so she’s had to take vaccines she didn’t want to. I think a yearly flu shot. She’s only 45 but she’s been exhibiting a lot of signs of memory loss. I hope she’ll be ok. I have other friends who actually think they’re “healthier” after getting the shot and get it every year happily. I just feel sorry for those forced to get it. I trained for a job then quit when I realized I would be required to get several vaccines I’d already had as a kid. I requested to be tested for antibodies instead but they refused, so I found another job.
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OMFG.
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It applies to any 'medical procedure'. Since there is no 'sure thing' in medicine, it's all considered 'experimental'.

It absolutely applies.
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Besides, it was further codified by the Declaration of Helsinki:

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The Declaration of Helsinki also marked the arrival of “clinical research,” a field that was previously referred to as ‘Human Experimentation’ in the Nuremberg Code. Furthermore, it introduced a caveat to the consideration of the process for informed consent as an ‘essential’ portion of research, as stated in the Nuremberg Code; according to the Declaration of Helsinki, physicians would be asked to obtain consent ‘if at all possible’ and could be allowed to omit a traditional informed consent form when a legally authorized representative is available.



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Unproven Interventions in Clinical Practice

37. In the treatment of an individual patient, where proven interventions do not exist or other known interventions have been ineffective, the physician, after seeking expert advice, with informed consent from the patient or a legally authorised representative, may use an unproven intervention if in the physician’s judgement it offers hope of saving life, re-establishing health or alleviating suffering. This intervention should subsequently be made the object of research, designed to evaluate its safety and efficacy. In all cases, new information must be recorded and, where appropriate, made publicly available.


Even these vaccine makers essentially state the Caveat that these vaccines 'may not work'. They are completely unproven.

Nurenberg and Helsinki apply.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78446897

parens patriae
The State is a legally authorized representative to consent on our behalf if we are deemed unfit to do so ourselves or for our children. And not wanting th vaccine itself could be reason enough to find someone unfit in their eyes.
I’m not arguing for this at all, I’m just saying there are no laws on our side and legally speaking they will find a way around it.
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Yes, I agree, the Nazi ideology lives on strongly in America. They used the same types of arguments.

However, Nuremberg still doesn't differentiate between children and adults, so this is non sequitur in terms of actual deductive reasoning. Yet we all know there is no law here in the States, only color of law.

I understand perfectly what you're saying, the government deems every adult and child an 'infant' in our commercial system. They've become 'Wards of the Court', including adults. I've heard the judge use that term on adult prisoners many times.

(a)In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
[link to www.law.cornell.edu (secure)]

Hmmmm.. so they define only 'infants', no adults, according to any act of Congress. Interesting.

Let's examine the Maxim:

Inclusio unius est exclusio alterius. The inclusion of one is the exclusion of another.

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Let's further examine:'Ward of the court':

A person, especially an infant or incompetent, placed by the court in the care of a guardian.

[link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com (secure)]

How convenient of them to only include infants in their statutory definition of 'persons'.

It doesn't matter anyway, it's all color of law.
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This is the first time I have heard that! Incredible!
I appreciate the discourse and I have learned a lot from you today. You have given some topics for further research.
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We have to CALL them. Flood them with angry calls
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hesright

They count on people lying back and doing nothing.

Learn from activist groups -fight back early, fight back hard, fight back over small things before they can become big things.
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When will they roll this out in Southern California?

I live in Ventura county, nobody here is talking about HR 6666..... we are so fucked!!!!!
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I realize HR. 6666 is scary, but at present, it only has a 2% chance of (I believe) even going to committee/passage.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't keep an eye on it, but sometimes it is best to strike back at a critical time - no this early, perhaps(?)
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“Fur Ihre Sicherheit” -Nazi phrase for “It’s for your safety.”
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Just remember, if you do refuse vaccines on the basis of religion, do NOT give them any details. They may ask what your religion is - do not tell them. They are not entitled to know, and I’ve heard of cases of religious exemptions being denied after people have shared which religion they are part of. You only need to say it’s against your religion. That’s it.

It’s my understanding several states have removed the religious exemption which is outrageous but not surprising. If it were me, I’d move out of my state if they started forcing vax. I raised my kids vax free with very little fanfare but I worry about them getting into colleges now and jobs. I guess I can at least rest easy knowing they got this far in life without them but no one ever should be forced to submit to any medical procedures. I urge you all to contact your politicians. This is very scary. We are free individuals with rights that are being stripped from us by some very sick people.
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It’s already passed Supreme Court ruling years ago.
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They cannot legitimately command an unproven and novel vaccination that has never been successful and safe be forced on the unwilling.

There have been NO successful vaccines for this class of viruses.
And there probably will never be.
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Do you mean for corona viruses or RNA viruses?
Because we have had a rabies vaccine since the late 1800s and I’m pretty sure it’s been proven to work. I’m not a virologist or a doctor though so...
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There are no proven safe or effective RNA corona virus vaccines or HIV vaccines and not for the lack of trying. This is what is being discussed and probable mandated.

Nobody is suggesting mandated Rabies so thats not in play here. Whether or not there are issues with rabies vaccined effectiveness in humans or not is up to some debate, and may be why its not really recommended in humans.
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Ah you see I thought the rabies vaccine for humans had been proven to be pretty effective since rabies kills most humans infected with it and since it has been used for over 100 years. And it’s a RNA virus, of course very different from the virus in question. I’ll have to do some reading about RNA viruses and the vaccines. Thank you for the information!
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Forced vaccinations will never happen in America. You will simply be cut off from society at large and not allowed to travel, if they pull that. I doubt it because its the most basic of human rights the entire world will rebel against.

South Carolina can't make a "law" that infringes on basic human rights.
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They will tie it into every segment of travel and employment, think drivers license.
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Just typed this up. Feel free to use or modify as needed.

Please CALL your reps. Its is important to state that you are a constituent of that legislator by giving your city and state

Tim Scott’s name is included below ...but call every representative in your district. I will make another post of phone numbers to call



Hi, my name is [NAME] and I'm a constituent from CITY, STATE

I'm calling to express my outrage over SECTION 44-29-50 of the Code of Laws as being presented in the SC Code of Laws

SECTION 44-29-50. is related to the alleged “Violation of regulation relating to vaccination, screening, or immunization.”

This gravely concerns me as a citizen of America because mandatory vaccines infringe upon constitutionally protected religious freedoms. Several religions oppose vaccines and mandatory vaccinations. The First Amendment of the US Constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

This is established legal restriction on forced vaccines that still allow citizens to exempt from putting poisonous, man-made chemicals in their body. There is no third-party proof that vaccines even work as intended or are safe. Nor do vaccinations prevent contagions, they can be spread regardless if a person is vaccinated.

Our Constitutionally protected, God-given Rights, have NO exemption for any emergency situations. And that includes any biological “emergencies.”

In SC Marbury vs Madison...the final decision states: ”all laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.”

If I choose to allow my body to live naturally and to fight off any disease or contagion that it encounters...that is expressly my Human Right & the pursuit of freedom to do so. My body ...my choice.

I urge Senator Tim Scott and his colleagues to reconsider this section and to expressly remove mandatory vaccinations.

Thank you for your hard work answering the phones.





IF LEAVING A VOICEMAIL: Please leave your full street address to ensure your call is tallied.




Calls should take less than a minute. You’ll be speaking to a staffer, so make your point clearly so they can tally your opinion correctly. The provided scripts are useful but you can add your own words.Be respectful. The staffers that pick up the phone aren’t looking to challenge you and you should treat them with the same respect you expect from them, regardless of which party they work for.


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Just call someone!
Script is above or make up your own!
It only takes ONE minute!

If your reps are different, then either look them up or someone who answers the contacts below can re-route you



US Sen Lindsay Graham (R) - 202-224-5972

US Sen Tim Scott (R) - 202-224-6121

Governor Henry McMaster (R) - 803-734-2100

US Rep William Timmons (R) 202-225-6030

State Sen Dwight Loftus (R) 803-212-6100

State rep Adam Morgan (R) Greenville county - 864-517-7068
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Some background on these fast tracked experimental genetic vaccines...

Thread: I am Legend 2020
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Unfortunately, most private corporations will demand proof of vaccinations for employment, and theres little an individual can do about it.

The fact will always remain, for this kind of virus there is no proven safe and effective vaccine, and I dont see one showing up anytime soon.
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My friend is a nurse so she’s had to take vaccines she didn’t want to. I think a yearly flu shot. She’s only 45 but she’s been exhibiting a lot of signs of memory loss. I hope she’ll be ok. I have other friends who actually think they’re “healthier” after getting the shot and get it every year happily. I just feel sorry for those forced to get it. I trained for a job then quit when I realized I would be required to get several vaccines I’d already had as a kid. I requested to be tested for antibodies instead but they refused, so I found another job.
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I was forced to be vaccinated multiple times for multiple reasons including military service.
I ended up with a mysterious autoimmune condition that nearly killed me.

Is there a connection?
It's impossible to say.
The last time I got one I almost died and was in bed for a month.
At least I figured out how to survive it so far.

Don't take unsafe vaccines, and don't take any combination vaccine because more than a single antigen may confuse the immune system
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SECTION 44-29-50. Violation of regulation relating to vaccination, screening, or immunization.

Any person who shall fail, neglect or refuse to comply with any regulation of the Department of Health and Environmental Control relating to vaccination, screening or immunization shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not more than one hundred dollars or be imprisoned for not more than thirty days.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 32-578; 1952 Code Section 32-578; 1942 Code Section 5042; 1932 Code Section 1503; Cr. C. '22 Section 451; Cr. C. '12 Section 441; 1905 (24) 871; 1972 (57) 2523.

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I live in SC - this is terrifying.
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100bucks? Whoopee. Lawyer will get me out of the jail time.
Have to find me first.
Then you have to apprehend. You swear you will need to hug mama one last time tho....
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When will they roll this out in Southern California?

I live in Ventura county, nobody here is talking about HR 6666..... we are so fucked!!!!!
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Forced vaccinations and mobile virus testing (HR 6666) are very different issues. Personally I would get a vaccine and would get tested too. But I am not as paranoid as most here. I believe people shouldn’t be required to get a unproven vaccine if they don’t want to. Herd immunity isn’t a good justification for tyranny.
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They cannot legitimately command an unproven and novel vaccination that has never been successful and safe be forced on the unwilling.

There have been NO successful vaccines for this class of viruses.
And there probably will never be.
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Do you mean for corona viruses or RNA viruses?
Because we have had a rabies vaccine since the late 1800s and I’m pretty sure it’s been proven to work. I’m not a virologist or a doctor though so...
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There are no proven safe or effective RNA corona virus vaccines or HIV vaccines and not for the lack of trying. This is what is being discussed and probable mandated.

Nobody is suggesting mandated Rabies so thats not in play here. Whether or not there are issues with rabies vaccined effectiveness in humans or not is up to some debate, and may be why its not really recommended in humans.
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Ah you see I thought the rabies vaccine for humans had been proven to be pretty effective since rabies kills most humans infected with it and since it has been used for over 100 years. And it’s a RNA virus, of course very different from the virus in question. I’ll have to do some reading about RNA viruses and the vaccines. Thank you for the information!
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Rabies vaccine isn't actually a100 yrs old and the original alleged vaccine isn't like the new one, and how could it be?
Viruses weren't known so an actual specific antivirus effect would be accidental. Viruses weren't postulated and confirmed til 1892 while the alleged vaccine was administered years before in 1885.
Reality is far more complex than fantasy, and the truth is often different from the claims. In the end whatever Pasteur did back then was just dumb luck.
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Dr. Andrew Kaufman: They Want To Genetically Modify Us With The COVID-19 Vaccine

Runtime ~55 minutes

In this powerful interview Spiro is joined with Doctor Andrew Kaufman. Spiro and Dr. Kaufman discuss the expanding curtailment of basic civil liberties being normalized under the false pretext of a global health emergency.

Doctor Kaufman lays his reputation and his career on the line as he blows the whistle, on what he describes as a manufactured crisis to carry out a pre-planned agenda to facilitate global governance and population control.

Doctor Kaufman is a well educated medical professional who convincingly illustrates, using the CDC's own technical data, how the public has been manipulated on the grandest scale.
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This would be called an odious law, and it is also against our Bill of Rights, they don't run things, if they try to force anyone, fire them, and tell the police and state guard to remove them from office. You have the right about your state gov. You can even change it if they get together, the best idea is to add the Bill Of Rights and if they make one move to step out of their office mandate you can and will arrest them.

None of any vaccines have been tested, they can not be called safe and they sure aren't allowed to use you as test subjects. I can't believe this gov. and rep. believe they have rights over the citizens of the states. Don't forget to remind them a few hundred time until they get the message. You are not children and they are not you dictators, even though some seem to think they have the right to treat you as owner and you are their subject as in they own you body and soul, freak they don't get paid from thin air, the taxpayer money is where their pay comes from, that all taxpayers servants police too, remind the police the gov. don't make money or pay taxes, so they aren't looking at the right people to listen too. It the people you are the polices bosses, in the long run, they want to keep their jobs, then remember their oath to protect the people from anyone trying to force them against their will.
Sorry I got a headache

These are the times that tries men's and
women's souls!

May we come though it victorious!
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This would be called an odious law, and it is also against our Bill of Rights, they don't run things, if they try to force anyone, fire them, and tell the police and state guard to remove them from office. You have the right about your state gov. You can even change it if they get together, the best idea is to add the Bill Of Rights and if they make one move to step out of their office mandate you can and will arrest them.

None of any vaccines have been tested, they can not be called safe and they sure aren't allowed to use you as test subjects. I can't believe this gov. and rep. believe they have rights over the citizens of the states. Don't forget to remind them a few hundred time until they get the message. You are not children and they are not you dictators, even though some seem to think they have the right to treat you as owner and you are their subject as in they own you body and soul, freak they don't get paid from thin air, the taxpayer money is where their pay comes from, that all taxpayers servants police too, remind the police the gov. don't make money or pay taxes, so they aren't looking at the right people to listen too. It the people you are the polices bosses, in the long run, they want to keep their jobs, then remember their oath to protect the people from anyone trying to force them against their will.
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True as stated, In my case I'm required to take immune suppressants to keep from swelling and filling with fluid, so what goddamn sense is it for me to be vaccinated with mystery shit when I'm immunosuppressed and have narrowly escaped death the last time I got one?
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Fire their loser asses. Good God y'all!

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The problem will be your employer. They will require that you have the vaccination or you won't be able to work for them. This will be the tactic they eventually use. At that point, what can you do?
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FAKE NEWS!!! OP selected parts and mashed the together. Absolutely false claims. SC is not forcing vaccines. Delete this post!
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SECTION 44-29-50. Violation of regulation relating to vaccination, screening, or immunization.

Any person who shall fail, neglect or refuse to comply with any regulation of the Department of Health and Environmental Control relating to vaccination, screening or immunization shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not more than one hundred dollars or be imprisoned for not more than thirty days.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 32-578; 1952 Code Section 32-578; 1942 Code Section 5042; 1932 Code Section 1503; Cr. C. '22 Section 451; Cr. C. '12 Section 441; 1905 (24) 871; 1972 (57) 2523.

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I live in SC - this is terrifying.
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It's worth paying the hundred.
At least they can't convict you a second time due to double-jeopardy laws.
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SECTION 44-29-50. Violation of regulation relating to vaccination, screening, or immunization.

Any person who shall fail, neglect or refuse to comply with any regulation of the Department of Health and Environmental Control relating to vaccination, screening or immunization shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not more than one hundred dollars or be imprisoned for not more than thirty days.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 32-578; 1952 Code Section 32-578; 1942 Code Section 5042; 1932 Code Section 1503; Cr. C. '22 Section 451; Cr. C. '12 Section 441; 1905 (24) 871; 1972 (57) 2523.

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I live in SC - this is terrifying.
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It's worth paying the hundred.
At least they can't convict you a second time due to double-jeopardy laws.
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You may get away with paying hundred bucks for a year or two. Then, your employer will require you to be vaccinated. Then, grocery stores will require memberships to shop, of course one requirement to obtain a membership is vaccination. You can make changes but eventually your options will run out.

They already have this planned out. You aren't going to get off very long with just paying 100 bucks a year.

It will be a frog in hot water scenario.
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LIVE now on channel 7 news

Here’s that number again!!!!!

It doesn’t get any more obvious than this


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OMFG.
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No way. It's just hard to believe this will be something that is mandatory. I refuse to take this. Very interesting times for sure
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The problem will be your employer. They will require that you have the vaccination or you won't be able to work for them. This will be the tactic they eventually use. At that point, what can you do?
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Sue your employer! Attempted murder!
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