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Breakthrough! MMS The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century update mms2 pg 51

 
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Alternatives to ingesting this "Miracle" bleach

Aloe Vera: fresh from the plant, grow it on your desk window-sill. fillet it and eat raw. rub it on your cuts/sores/lips/eyes/ears. Use it as skin conditioner after a shower to rinse the bleach and fluoride off that they "treat" the water with.

Grapeseed Extract: extremely anti everything-bad, in a big way. clean your kitchen/bathroom with it - only takes a few drops.

Garlic: extremely anti everything-bad

Herbs: astragulus, pau d' arco, countless others

Mushrooms: shiitake, maitake

This "miracle" bleach is a sham. Same people that sell all kinds of fear-based scams. Nature provides.
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Anyone have any information on using this drug on Addison's disease or with Addison's. I have been using now for six day's and became very nauseous and sick at 8 drops. It took only two day to stop a nasty respiratory virus that I has been fighting for 2 months. Thanks Barry
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Barry,

I found that when you suffer from nausea it is best to stick to a certain amount (less than 8) for a longer period. Just be patient, it doesn't matter to stay on, let's say 6 drops twice a day for a few days. I think the problem is when you want to see results quick. Give it time...I haven't been past 8 drops so far. There's so much going on in my system, I allow it to work at it's own space.
We don't need instant healing do we? I don't know about your disease, but it's okay. Just listen to your body. Better to continue at a low dosis than to stop all together.

Good luck,

Elin
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Alternatives to ingesting this "Miracle" bleach

Aloe Vera: fresh from the plant, grow it on your desk window-sill. fillet it and eat raw. rub it on your cuts/sores/lips/eyes/ears. Use it as skin conditioner after a shower to rinse the bleach and fluoride off that they "treat" the water with.

Grapeseed Extract: extremely anti everything-bad, in a big way. clean your kitchen/bathroom with it - only takes a few drops.

Garlic: extremely anti everything-bad

Herbs: astragulus, pau d' arco, countless others

Mushrooms: shiitake, maitake

This "miracle" bleach is a sham. Same people that sell all kinds of fear-based scams. Nature provides.
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All people have their own brains, eyes and ears. There are many people using MMS, doing zapping etc etc and many of them feeling relief of their illnesses. If you don't want to use alternative methods to heal yourself that's only your opinion and noone here will convince you to do that. We all have our free will. So stop telling other people here what to do. And please, tell us what is the pharmaceutical or medical company you're working for????
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Hello, my 65 lb Male Boxer was diagnosed with a severe case of Blastomycosis - a form of Pneumonia - I was told by the Vet that I had to admit him immediately to the emergency hospital and get him on these expensive drugs... the cost could total close to THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS and there was no guarantee that he would survive.
I was devestated and sobbing in the Vet office - and all of a sudden it hit me... MMS... the doctor was appalled when i told her i was taking him home. HE was SO weak on thursday when i got home that it was very easy to give him an oral dose. It was a LARGE dose - 10 drops of MMS and 20 drops of the activator. He slept mostly but I could tell that his breathing was improving after just a few hours. I knew that I had to give him another dose that night... but I was very curious about the IV method - I tried the UN ACTIVATED 20ml Push method talked about in the book... I don't think i hit the vein totally because the tissue around the area became swollen. Yesterday friday morning, we woke up - it was like he was 70% better! happy, breathing almost normal... just not as active. I tried to give him another oral dose and he violently refused... so i really don't know if any got in his system... as the day went on he got better and better... even ATE FOOD last night! I was so excited...
When he got up this morning, he was lively as ever... but he would occasionally cough (which was a sign of this in the beginning) so i KNEW i had to get another dose in him.... I dropped the dosage to 7 drops MMS and 35 drops activator - and gave it to him orally about 1 hour after he ate... he had a VERY violent physical reaction.. immediate vomiting, which agitated his breathing... so again, due to the vomiting - i assume he didn't get ANY into his system...
Does ANYONE have any ideas on how I can administer this to my dog? through an IV drip subcutaneous ??? I KNOW this will cure him... but i have to figure a way to get it into his system!
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Hello Daisiray,

You are overdosing your dog. That is why he is having such a violent reaction.

I would suggest that you use an unactivated solution. Put 3 drops of MMS into 1 liter of water and let him drink that throughout the day. Mix up a new batch every day.

There has also been some evidence that the same dose, unactivated, can be used in a vaporizer, but I don't have any first hand experience with that. If you do try it, limit the exposure to 5 - 10 minutes at a time.

If chlorine dioxide is released from the solution, it will irritate his respiratory tract, so extreme caution is needed. It would probably be a good idea to sit in the bathroom with the dog and monitor the vaporizer treatment. If you catch any whiff of chlorine dioxide, immediately stop the treatment and get out of the room.

Tom
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Does MMS work the same way on the body as H202, food grade? Anyone know?
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Hello #436143,

Both are oxidizers, but H2O2 is a little stronger. The MMS solution produces HClO2 which breaks down to form ClO2. At lower concentrations HClO2 does far less damage than H2O2 does. Also, HClO2 doesn't react with most organic material it comes into contact with, whereas H2O2 oxidizes everything it comes into contact with.

If you have bacteria, virus, or fungi in your GI tract, HClO2 will clean it out and leave your GI tract walls alone. H2O2, on the other hand, may do damage to your GI tract tissue.

The effects of both of these depend on concentration.

Tom
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600785, I don't think you should have done that?
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Hello, my 65 lb Male Boxer was diagnosed with a severe case of Blastomycosis - a form of Pneumonia - I was told by the Vet that I had to admit him immediately to the emergency hospital and get him on these expensive drugs... the cost could total close to THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS and there was no guarantee that he would survive.
I was devestated and sobbing in the Vet office - and all of a sudden it hit me... MMS... the doctor was appalled when i told her i was taking him home. HE was SO weak on thursday when i got home that it was very easy to give him an oral dose. It was a LARGE dose - 10 drops of MMS and 20 drops of the activator. He slept mostly but I could tell that his breathing was improving after just a few hours. I knew that I had to give him another dose that night... but I was very curious about the IV method - I tried the UN ACTIVATED 20ml Push method talked about in the book... I don't think i hit the vein totally because the tissue around the area became swollen. Yesterday friday morning, we woke up - it was like he was 70% better! happy, breathing almost normal... just not as active. I tried to give him another oral dose and he violently refused... so i really don't know if any got in his system... as the day went on he got better and better... even ATE FOOD last night! I was so excited...
When he got up this morning, he was lively as ever... but he would occasionally cough (which was a sign of this in the beginning) so i KNEW i had to get another dose in him.... I dropped the dosage to 7 drops MMS and 35 drops activator - and gave it to him orally about 1 hour after he ate... he had a VERY violent physical reaction.. immediate vomiting, which agitated his breathing... so again, due to the vomiting - i assume he didn't get ANY into his system...
Does ANYONE have any ideas on how I can administer this to my dog? through an IV drip subcutaneous ??? I KNOW this will cure him... but i have to figure a way to get it into his system!
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Please tell us how your dog is doing.
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If there's a miracle cure, it's the foods God gave us and faith in Jesus Christ, not some poison created by the beast government. Get a clue. This is a hoax to make someone rich off the naivette of the ignorant. It's snake oil.
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Hello, my 65 lb Male Boxer was diagnosed with a severe case of Blastomycosis - a form of Pneumonia - I was told by the Vet that I had to admit him immediately to the emergency hospital and get him on these expensive drugs... the cost could total close to THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS and there was no guarantee that he would survive.
I was devestated and sobbing in the Vet office - and all of a sudden it hit me... MMS... the doctor was appalled when i told her i was taking him home. HE was SO weak on thursday when i got home that it was very easy to give him an oral dose. It was a LARGE dose - 10 drops of MMS and 20 drops of the activator. He slept mostly but I could tell that his breathing was improving after just a few hours. I knew that I had to give him another dose that night... but I was very curious about the IV method - I tried the UN ACTIVATED 20ml Push method talked about in the book... I don't think i hit the vein totally because the tissue around the area became swollen. Yesterday friday morning, we woke up - it was like he was 70% better! happy, breathing almost normal... just not as active. I tried to give him another oral dose and he violently refused... so i really don't know if any got in his system... as the day went on he got better and better... even ATE FOOD last night! I was so excited...
When he got up this morning, he was lively as ever... but he would occasionally cough (which was a sign of this in the beginning) so i KNEW i had to get another dose in him.... I dropped the dosage to 7 drops MMS and 35 drops activator - and gave it to him orally about 1 hour after he ate... he had a VERY violent physical reaction.. immediate vomiting, which agitated his breathing... so again, due to the vomiting - i assume he didn't get ANY into his system...
Does ANYONE have any ideas on how I can administer this to my dog? through an IV drip subcutaneous ??? I KNOW this will cure him... but i have to figure a way to get it into his system!


Please tell us how your dog is doing.
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Ringo has good days and bad days... he sleeps ok, but when he gets up he HACKS and HACKS and then he goes into extremely labored breathing... sometimes this will last for an hour or two... he loses all color and his gums go white (loss of oxygen). On thursday evening I started him on some Penicillin shots (procaine 300,000 units) - giving him 6 cc's 1x a day. yesterday he was hacking up some pretty thick mucus yellow green mucus with some red - i was REALLY worried about him. but today the mucus is mostly clear and less hacking and NO loss of oxygen.
I am keeping him on 9 drops activated MMS - I inject this into two empty gel capsuls and wrap it in some roast beef. He swallows it down just fine...
I am hopeful - the doc said he would not survive if I didn't get him on IV drugs and hospitalize him - that was last Friday - I am taking it one day at a time.
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If there's a miracle cure, it's the foods God gave us and faith in Jesus Christ, not some poison created by the beast government. Get a clue. This is a hoax to make someone rich off the naivette of the ignorant. It's snake oil.
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It isn't a miracle. There are several websites that explain how it works:

[link to jimhumble.biz]
[link to phaelosopher.wordpress.com]
[link to www.bioredox.mysite.com]

It isn't a hoax. Please do your research. When Jim Humble started with this in Africa he gave it to people for free because his passion to cure them of malaria was genuine and still is. Also, when establishing relationships with suppliers he stated that they were and are not to "jack up" the price because you shouldn't have to be rich to have the opportunity to help friends and loved ones recover from illness and disease.

[link to jimhumble.biz]

The ignorant ones are trusting their doctors who are only authorized to recommend government approved medicine, then their loved ones die of cancer and they cry asking "God, why? There needs to be a cure! People shouldn't suffer!"

Well, here it is.

I find people like yourself state things like you have out of fear of the unknown combined with a lack of research.
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Hello D,

I wish I could answer your question, but this information is just not known. No one knows what chlorine dioxide or the chlorite ion does inside the human body as far as a "healing treatment" goes. There is more information on unactivated sodium chlorite, but even that is hard to quantify.

It does not appear the Jim Humble is going to do any work on this, so I have been suggesting that people go to their medical professionals and have a series of base line tests done. At the same time they can confirm their diagnosis. Then they can continue with their treatment and when they think they have improved, they can go back for confirmation that it has worked.

This is kind of a hit and miss approach, but it may be possible to piece something together from this. I feel this is a much more responsible approach than simply going on the comments from others that state that they felt much better after a raging bout of diarrhea...

While you are trying to figure out what you are going to do, here are some things to ponder...

The levels of chlorine dioxide involved with the MMS protocol are used in industry to treat dead animal parts to keep them from spoiling in transit and at the market until purchased. These parts receive a single 30 - 60 second spray of these chemicals. This is very effective in reducing or eliminating bacteria on poultry, beef, and seafood. The point to keep in mind is that there is only one brief shot applied, and it lasts for around 15 days.

Next let's look at water treatment. If your water comes from a lake, have you ever noticed the amount of wildlife active around the lake? All of those geese and ducks and deer do their best to contaminate the water, and all of this bacteria needs to be disinfected from the water before we drink it. Water treatment is using concentrations in the 2 - 5 PPM chlorine dioxide range. This is much lower than what is produced in the MMS protocol, and it is very effective at disinfecting water.

I think you should consider if your condition is more similar to a dead body carcasses, or contaminated water?

Tom
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Considering the human body is 55 to 60 percent water, I would say "contaminated water" is quite an insightful description of what many could be suffering from.

[link to www.whatthebleep.com]

It would be interesting to see activated mms ice under the microscope and to compare the different concentrations.

I think Tom offers an excellent argument for low dose usage.
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Hello #436143,

Both are oxidizers, but H2O2 is a little stronger. The MMS solution produces HClO2 which breaks down to form ClO2. At lower concentrations HClO2 does far less damage than H2O2 does. Also, HClO2 doesn't react with most organic material it comes into contact with, whereas H2O2 oxidizes everything it comes into contact with.

If you have bacteria, virus, or fungi in your GI tract, HClO2 will clean it out and leave your GI tract walls alone. H2O2, on the other hand, may do damage to your GI tract tissue.

The effects of both of these depend on concentration.

Tom
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Thanks for responding, Tom. I have MMS, bought it about a year ago.Just never went beyond the fourth or fifth day. I think I'll start it again.
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If there's a miracle cure, it's the foods God gave us and faith in Jesus Christ, not some poison created by the beast government. Get a clue. This is a hoax to make someone rich off the naivette of the ignorant. It's snake oil.
 Quoting: Living Faith 620172


Well, having been around the natural supplement world for 15 years, I really don't think MMS has anything to do with people getting, or trying to get rich. $20 for a one year supply? If that's a scam, I don't know what to call other "scams" I've seen over the years. $20 a WEEK is more in line with the scams I've seen come and go over the years.

And snake oil? Well, snake oil is traditionally known as some relatively benign product that can allegedly work wonders.

Problem with calling this snake oil is MMS is certainly not benign. As Tom has pointed out, it is proven to kill all sorts of pathogens. Maybe all of them. And at extremely low concentrations.

And therein lies the question... as Tom has rightly posed. How much is needed to kill those pathogens without killing the friendly bacteria? And is that even possible?

It seems people could be wildly wrong about both question so far. It sounds like 3 activated drops in a liter of water sipped throughout the day may be just as effective as the crazy amounts that lead to vomiting and the runs.

And that's a very important number to decipher. Because if 4 drops in 8 oz of water kills your friendly bacteria, then sure, you may have done incredible short-term good... even life-saving good... by killing off some nasty infestation you have... but at what long-term expense? Without friendly bacteria you have no lasting health. For example, they help us absorb nutrients, which create lasting health.

Having read all 40+ pages of this thread, I have to say Tom's logic is hard to argue with. Jim Humble's protocol may only be useful to the ultra-sick. Everyone else may want to develop their own protocol based on their needs. If malaria is about to kill you, MMS might save your life. But if it's not, it might throw your flora out of whack for no good reason. And good flora takes a while to create.

I certainly wouldn't sacrifice a healthy floral state to, say, cure a wart. And furthermore, you may be able to cure the wart without even drinking MMS. There are lots of possibilties here folks. Lower dosages. External applications. Different delivery systems. Take your time and do your homework.
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Hello Fan of Tom,

Interesting user name... [smile icon]

People may not be getting rich from the sale of MMS, but there is a healthy profit available.

The 4 ounce bottle of MMS sells for around $20. The cost breakdown indicates that the bottle and cap costs around $1.50, depending on the quantity ordered, and in bulk the sodium chlorite solution can be purchased for about $1.20 per liter.

This results in a cost of a little under $2.00 per bottle.

Jim Humble continues to report that around 10000 bottles of MMS are being sold each month, so that would indicate that this industry has a gross profit of around $180000 per month or $2160000 per year.

Now we have to keep in mind that there are other expenses involved, and often the product is discounted, but I think that would involve less than half the gross profit.

I have no idea if Jim Humbles estimates are correct, or how many ways the pie is being cut up, but there is some profit in this.

Tom
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Hello Fan of Tom,

Interesting user name... [smile icon]

People may not be getting rich from the sale of MMS, but there is a healthy profit available.

The 4 ounce bottle of MMS sells for around $20. The cost breakdown indicates that the bottle and cap costs around $1.50, depending on the quantity ordered, and in bulk the sodium chlorite solution can be purchased for about $1.20 per liter.

This results in a cost of a little under $2.00 per bottle.

Jim Humble continues to report that around 10000 bottles of MMS are being sold each month, so that would indicate that this industry has a gross profit of around $180000 per month or $2160000 per year.

Now we have to keep in mind that there are other expenses involved, and often the product is discounted, but I think that would involve less than half the gross profit.

I have no idea if Jim Humbles estimates are correct, or how many ways the pie is being cut up, but there is some profit in this.

Tom
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Hi Tom,

Thanks for the profit breakdown... but I think you're stretching logic a bit.

In terms of profit, Humble is making no secret about how to make the stuff. He's encouraging home users to make their own. Which is why you can get MMS for like $10 for a year supply. He had to know this would happen, due to increased competition. So I just don't see profit being his motivation, even it was for his business partners.

While I understand you have concerns about Jim Humble, I don't think the man is dishonest or scheming. His former business partners seem shady, but Humble was upfront about that in his book. And they seem to have kept Humble out of the loop most of the time, which would explain why some of the clinics haven't heard of Humble when contacted (if that's true--I never made any calls).

It also seems his partners were careful not to reveal what MMS actually was to the clinics, so clearly they were in it for the money, to some extent. Probably looking for a big government contract to wipe Malaria from an entire nation for X dollars.

That said, I do think Humble may have been so intent on curing the incurables that he was failing to issue proper precautions... but that could have more to do with some hero streak he has rather than weak ethics. What can you say? He's an old guy. He wants to leave a legacy. Totally understandable.

I think Humble legitimately believes MMS is good for you so long as you have anaerobic bacteria in your body. The more the merrier until you're clear. And there does seem to be pathogenic imbalance everywhere you look, especially in the third world, so maybe he's right. But that's almost a philisophical debate.

I mean the chemotheraphy industry is built entirely upon that premise... kill the host (almost), kill the cancer. So it's not like Humble is out in left field on this one. I'd say he's about as radical as your average Harvard trained oncologist. And more logical about it, really, as chemotherapy agents seem to be far more toxic to the body than MMS.

But I think Humble is overlooking the issue of chlorine dioxide gas, especially considering we're dealing with first-world conditions here. Americans aren't generally on their death beds with malaria. So are these high doses a good idea? Are the risks from the gas really worth it?

So Tom this is where my main concern is about MMS... and maybe where you can comment... I don't think Humble is making a big enough deal about this gas that's released.

At 15 drops a day, 3 times a day, that's a lot of gas being released into the sinus, ear and throat area right?

The only way I see MMS being used safely is in extremely low amounts in a way that gas released is close to neglible. The ears and eyes membranes especially are just too sensitive, and sophisticated in their function to be exposed to that much gas.

Any thoughts on how to achieve a gas-free version of MMS? If you let it activate overnight would it still be effective?
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Hello #621104,

I have great respect for Jim Humble, I am simply pointing out that he has let people down by not refining his protocol. As a result, people are being subjected to a toxic chemical at levels which produce adverse effects. Any MSDS on chlorine dioxide will point out that it is not safe to ingest, and if ingested it can produce nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting.

A more responsible action, upon realizing that people were suffering adverse effects, would be to review what is going on in the protocol, seek the advise of experts, and to adjust the protocol as necessary. All of this involves further testing, and it appears that Jim Humble sincerely believes that we are all suffering from malaria, and no further testing is necessary.

Since I know of no one that is suffering from malaria, I can't comment on the suitability of the MMS protocol for malaria. I do know a variety of people that suffer from other ailments, and can definitely state that the current MMS protocol is flawed.

It is interesting that you bring up chemotherapy. I often view MMS as a poor mans chemo... However, chemo is much more selective, and seems to have much greater adverse effects.

Chlorine dioxide is always a gas, and you are correct. A big concern is with the effects of chlorine dioxide gas on the human body. If the dose was really in the 1 PPM range, this would not be a problem, but this is not what is currently going on with the MMS protocol.

The "gas-less" version of MMS has been used for over 30 years. It is much more expensive than MMS, even though it is a much lower concentration. One name that you may be familiar with is Stabilized Oxygen...

It is possible to adjust the amount of free chlorine dioxide by adjusting the sodium chlorite concentration, and adjusting the citric acid concentration and the amounts of each used. For example, if you activate a 0.2% sodium chlorite solution with 1.2% citric acid, you end up with a solution that initially has less than 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide, but 30 hours later the concentration will increase to 10 - 12 PPM, and remain at that level for several days.

Unfortunately, I have no way of monitoring what a solution like this does inside the body. It is impossible to directly monitor levels of chlorine dioxide or the chlorite ion inside the body, so we really don't know what is going on.

Tom
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Hello #621104,

I have great respect for Jim Humble, I am simply pointing out that he has let people down by not refining his protocol. As a result, people are being subjected to a toxic chemical at levels which produce adverse effects. Any MSDS on chlorine dioxide will point out that it is not safe to ingest, and if ingested it can produce nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting.

A more responsible action, upon realizing that people were suffering adverse effects, would be to review what is going on in the protocol, seek the advise of experts, and to adjust the protocol as necessary. All of this involves further testing, and it appears that Jim Humble sincerely believes that we are all suffering from malaria, and no further testing is necessary.

Since I know of no one that is suffering from malaria, I can't comment on the suitability of the MMS protocol for malaria. I do know a variety of people that suffer from other ailments, and can definitely state that the current MMS protocol is flawed.

It is interesting that you bring up chemotherapy. I often view MMS as a poor mans chemo... However, chemo is much more selective, and seems to have much greater adverse effects.

Chlorine dioxide is always a gas, and you are correct. A big concern is with the effects of chlorine dioxide gas on the human body. If the dose was really in the 1 PPM range, this would not be a problem, but this is not what is currently going on with the MMS protocol.

The "gas-less" version of MMS has been used for over 30 years. It is much more expensive than MMS, even though it is a much lower concentration. One name that you may be familiar with is Stabilized Oxygen...

It is possible to adjust the amount of free chlorine dioxide by adjusting the sodium chlorite concentration, and adjusting the citric acid concentration and the amounts of each used. For example, if you activate a 0.2% sodium chlorite solution with 1.2% citric acid, you end up with a solution that initially has less than 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide, but 30 hours later the concentration will increase to 10 - 12 PPM, and remain at that level for several days.

Unfortunately, I have no way of monitoring what a solution like this does inside the body. It is impossible to directly monitor levels of chlorine dioxide or the chlorite ion inside the body, so we really don't know what is going on.

Tom
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Hi Tom,

Thanks. I totally agree that Jim Humble's idea of "pulling back" from nausea etc is a flawed approach. Now I guess if you're dealing with malaria (which I've had) there's no other way to go about it... because a few strains of Malaria can kill you in your sleep. And nobody wants to be the jungle "doctor" who played it to cautiously and let the tribal elder die in his sleep.

But it seems now people over here, who aren't battling acute, lethal infections, are taking that advice and running with it... which just seems daft to me. It doesn't sound like "cleansing reactions" when you're up to 10 drops the first week. That sounds like standard toxicity reactions. Didn't these people do shots of tequila in college? Nausea isn't generally a cleansing reaction. Lethargy is. Aching joints is. Vomiting is your body trying to get rid of something during overdose. If it is a cleansing reaction, way too severe for my taste, and I'm guessing 9 out of 10 bodies agree.

By the way, isn't Stabilized Oxygen just sodium chlorite? My concern with that stuff is it being converted into chlorine dioxide in your stomach and off-gassing into your throat, sinuses, ears etc as vapor. There are some pretty delicate membranes in those areas.

In a way it seems stabilized oxygen is less really stable because so much of its converstion will go on inside your stomach due to HCL... or am I missing something? At least by activating it there's some predictability as to where it will convert and at what rate, right?

I'm a little confused when you say chlorine dioxide is always a gas... you mean when the solution turns yellow that's actually a gas in liquid form?

Is there a way to "embed" the gas into water molecules or other... so one could have some assurance that it won't vaporize in the stomach come back through the throat, nose, sinuses ears and lungs?

If not maybe IV or enema is the way to go... to avoid contact with mucuous mebranes. If only there were a substance like MMS that didn't off-gas.

P.S. If you don't mind me asking, how have you taken it? I got up to 5 drops in citric acid and decided the potential damage to ears, eyes and throat weren't worth the risk. But you have me convinced that 5 drops is way too much anyhow, so I'm back to trying to find a reasonable way to absorb it at say 1 activated drop per liter of water. This guy who mixed 3 drops of chlorine dioxite with greens and a liter of water seems to have had good results. Seems a little imprecise, but he claims he had the energy of a teenager again.
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Hello Fan of Tom,

Yes, stabilized oxygen is a sodium chlorite solution. It is a low concentration, and the chlorine dioxide gas that is produced is generally small amounts because of the small amounts of solution that is taken.

Yes, chlorine dioxide is always a gas. It does not combine with water or anything else. It does quickly break down to chlorite, chlorate, and chloride. As far as I can tell, when you drink a solution containing free chlorine dioxide, the chlorine dioxide is completely broken down by the time it reaches your tonsils. Whatever is going on is being effected by the chlorite ion, or the chlorous acid solution.

I have tried a number of ways to take this solution, and have finally discovered that you can get excellent benefit from using it as a mouthwash. A small residual get washed down your throat and becomes activated in your stomach. This amounts to a concentration of chlorine dioxide from trace to about 1 PPM.

There are a couple of side effects when using the mouthwash. You end up with excellent oral hygiene, and have fresh breath. This also provides a first line defense against colds and the flu.

If you want to clean things out inside you, I think the best bet is to take a 6 drop dose twice for one day. Then move on to using the mouthwash and taking anti oxidants, vitamins, minerals, and probiotics. If things don't clear up in a few days, you could probably do the "slug" dose again, but I don't think you need to continue on with high concentration doses.

If you want to try the mouthwash, place 3 ml of MMS (about 51 drops) in 500 ml of water. You can add a drop of mint extract for that minty flavor. Take a mouthful and swish it around for as long as you want. There is no danger of damaging your teeth with this solution. The acid in your mouth will activate, as needed, the solution and trace amounts of chlorine dioxide will be released to deal with the bad stuff in your mouth. When done swishing, gargle and spit it out.

If you don't want to mix your own, I believe Amway has a similar product, as do a few others.

That's it...

We have several in our group that are using the mouthwash and we are all experiencing increased energy levels. It seems to be quite effective. Now, none of us have significant health issues, but when we notice an increase in energy, I have to believe that someone who is ill would also experience an increase in energy.

I am not a medical professional, and my results are also anecdotal, but we are seeing consistent improvements.

Tom
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Tom,


I mentioned before that my grandfather, 59, has cancer that originated from the colon. He has tumors in his bladder. I advised for him to make his way to 15:75 but what you say makes sense since he has recently reported a lack of energy and a yeast infection in his mouth that was gone had come back.
I suppose the good microorganisms in his body are being killed off to the point where perhaps his immune system is being negatively affected.
I'll have to advise him to use it as a mouthwash with their organic grape juice.
What you say really does make a lot of sense and I am glad you are here to help us - even if you're not a medical professional - your information and answers are a lot more straight-forward and specific than Jim Humble's (no disrespect to him, either).


Cheers,
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My husband has been MMS for almost a year now. He had Lyme disease and Lyme rheumatoid arthritis in his hands. He has recovered 100% and is now building up his body with Magnesium oil spray.

We sell the MMS because it is a life saver and we both have had personal experience with it.

Here's a fairly good MMS website for information and articles... [link to WWW.MiracleMineralSolution-MMS.com]

And for Magnesium articles and information -- here is [link to www.magnesium.dixieretreat.com]

It would be nice to see some real testings for MMS, and how and why it works. Keep up the good work!
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Hi Taylore,

I would be interested to know (as a fellow lymie) how many drops per day did your husband take and how long before symptoms improved.
thanks.
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Hello Jeremy,

The biggest problem with the mouthwash is that it isn't glamorous. You hardly know it is working, but it just works.

It is much more glamorous to work your way up to "bowel tolerance" with something that tastes and smells awful. In contrast, the mouthwash is rather boring.

With that said, colon cancer may be an illness that can benefit from a sodium chlorite solution.

With the understanding that I am not a medical professional, and this is not medical advice, we can carry on a philosophical discussion of what may be involved in exploring differing routes to deal with colon cancer.

The human body tries to take care of itself, but at times, it needs a little additional help. The goal of the additional help is to knock down the additional load on the bodies immune system.

Cancer is difficult, because it can reproduce quickly. This means that you have to balance the cancer kill off with the body build up methods.

Modern medicine understands this to some extent. Chemo is given in pulse doses with a recovery time in between. Radiation seeds are planted, in some cases, but are only left in for a specific duration of time.

If we borrow from the extensive research done by the medical community, we might speculate that a sodium chlorite solution may be more effective if given for short durations, followed by an all out effort to rebuild the bodies immune system.

I believe it is all about balance. When things get out of balance, your energy levels drop. You need to restore the balance to restore the energy. This is a dynamic process and it needs to be closely monitored.

If you are unable to restore the balance, you eventually die.

Your grandfathers body seems to be out of balance. Your efforts should be centered around finding a way to restore the balance so your grandfather can recover.

If I understand what has happened correctly, you have taken your grandfather from near death, to having greatly improved energy, and now he is beginning to drop back off. Through all of this you have been steadily increasing the dose of MMS, and have added some additional treatments.

We know that MMS is not selective, and that it disrupts the flora in the GI tract. Perhaps it is time to take a break from MMS and work on restoring healthy flora, and also starting a regime of anti oxidants, vitamins, minerals, and of course probiotics. Pay particular attention to what can be most beneficial to eliminating colon cancer, as well as what is used up while enduring the stress that having cancer brings.

Keep a journal. Medical tests may help show progress, or lack of progress, but be sure to monitor and record energy levels. You expect to see energy levels increase, but if they start to drop off, it is time to consider changing treatments. It may be time for another round of MMS, once again closely monitoring energy levels. This time, the duration of using MMS may be much shorter, and then you can cycle back to the anti oxidant regieme. The goal is to keep the energy level climbing until full energy is restored.

Keep in mind that this is much easier to outline and lay out, than to actually do.

Now let's look at MMS. I believe that MMS is too strong, and have found it to be hazardous to handle. I would recommend diluting it down to a 5% concentration. It is much easier to measure, and much less hazardous to handle at that concentration. You can still get the same effect by simply adjusting the amount you use.

To adjust the 22.4% actual sodium chlorite solution to a 5% sodium chlorite solution you would mix 1 part of the 22.4% solution with 3.48 parts of water. You will end up with 4.48 parts of a 5% sodium chlorite solution.

The next problem with MMS is the way it is activated. The industrial use of acidified sodium chlorite solutions has studied activation, and has developed optimum activation methods. I have run tests and found that the difference between optimum activation and MMS activation is around 30%. If you properly activated MMS, you could get the same disinfecting potential using 30% less.

The most effective way to activate a sodium chlorite solution using 10% citric acid is to do so in a 1:1 ratio. The optimum activation time is 10 minutes.

Back to your grandfather...

If I were working with him, this is the direction I would take. His immune system has been compromised, so I would try to shield him from as much "bad stuff" as I could. I would insist that people interacting with him wash their hands before going into his room. I would insist that he frequently wash his hand too. By the way, washing involves more than simply rinsing and wiping down. I am sure you can find information on the proper way to wash your hands.

This will minimize the introduction of additional germs to your grandfather.

Along this same line, I would disinfect your grandfathers bedding, clothes, mattress, pillows, shoes, and so on. This is an excellent use of sodium chlorite. You can mix up a laundry solution by placing 20 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and adding 20 ml of 10% citric acid to activate. Let the activation continue for 10 minutes, then pour it into the laundry tub that is full of water and clothes. Wash as you normally would and use your regular detergent for washing.

To disinfect pillows, mattresses, shoes and the like, mix up 10 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and activate with 10 ml of 10% citric acid. Let the activation continue for 10 minutes, then place that solution in a spray bottle with 500 ml of water. This is an excellent, general purpose, disinfectant, and you simply spray it on the mattress and pillow and allow it to air dry. Same goes for shoes.

If someone in the house comes down with a cold, you can simply go through the rooms and give each one a spray or two to eliminate the germs in the air.

The purpose of all of this is to minimize the introduction of additional germs to your grandfather. He has enough to deal with and by removing additional loads, his immune system can focus on dealing with what is currently in his body.

Along these same lines, mix up some mouthwash. By using the mouthwash morning and night, your grandfather will be stopping germs before they can get further into his body. The mouthwash is made up by adding 13 ml of 5% sodium chlorite to 500 ml of water. The activation is done by the acids in the mouth.

Now for the tricky part...

I have no idea if a sodium chlorite solution can be beneficial to eliminating colon cancer. I also don't have anyway to test this, so it is really a shot in the dark.

I think you need to stop giving your grandfather MMS. He has been on this program long enough that if it was going to clear things up, it would have done so. Chlorine dioxide works very rapidly.

However, on the off chance that there is some benefit, consider not stopping completely, but just backing way off.

You may want to consider trying 0.5 ml of 5% sodium chlorite activated with 0.5 ml of 10% citric acid for 10 minutes, then diluted with 500 ml of water. This would be given first thing in the morning and would be finished by noon. In the afternoon, mix up 0.5 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in 500 ml of water - no activation. He can sip on this throughout the afternoon.

As I mentioned earlier, this is the time for healthy foods, anti oxidants, vitamins, minerals, and probiotics.

Depending on the energy levels of your grandfather, you may want to consider a pulsing regime. Let's say you go 5 days on the anti oxidant regime and using the mouthwash and a minor amount of sodium chlorite. On the last 2 days of the week you may want to consider going for a couple of stronger doses. These doses would be made by adding 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite to a glass and activating it with 1 ml of 10% citric acid. Allow the activation to continue for 10 minutes, then dilute with 500 ml of water. This would be given in the same way the other was given, just sip on it throughout the day.

Once again you would be closely monitoring the feedback and would be remembering the goal is high energy and health. Adjustments would be made as necessary, and eventually you would be left with simply using the mouthwash.

This is far from complete, and simply reflects some off the top of my head thinking.

I hope you appreciate the global approach to this. When you reflect upon global treatment, there are many places that a sodium chlorite solution can be used. It may not be a cure all, but it can definitely help, if not directly, then indirectly.

Tell your grandfather hello, and that I am hoping for the best for him. You might also give your grandmother a hug too.

Tom
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Does MMS work the same way on the body as H202, food grade? Anyone know?
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I don't think so but then again, I think MMS is poison. Food-grade H202 works great for me.
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Hello Jeremy,

The biggest problem with the mouthwash is that it isn't glamorous. You hardly know it is working, but it just works.

It is much more glamorous to work your way up to "bowel tolerance" with something that tastes and smells awful. In contrast, the mouthwash is rather boring.
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Hello, Tom. Jeremy here, aka, User ID: 619529.
Whether it is glamourous or boring does not concern me. What I am concerned with is what will affect my grandfather's health in a positive way and overtime improve his quality of life; which includes but is not limited to increasing his energy level.

With that said, colon cancer may be an illness that can benefit from a sodium chlorite solution.

With the understanding that I am not a medical professional, and this is not medical advice, we can carry on a philosophical discussion of what may be involved in exploring differing routes to deal with colon cancer.
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Let's carry onwards, then. :)

The human body tries to take care of itself, but at times, it needs a little additional help. The goal of the additional help is to knock down the additional load on the bodies immune system.

Cancer is difficult, because it can reproduce quickly. This means that you have to balance the cancer kill off with the body build up methods.

Modern medicine understands this to some extent. Chemo is given in pulse doses with a recovery time in between. Radiation seeds are planted, in some cases, but are only left in for a specific duration of time.

If we borrow from the extensive research done by the medical community, we might speculate that a sodium chlorite solution may be more effective if given for short durations, followed by an all out effort to rebuild the bodies immune system.

I believe it is all about balance. When things get out of balance, your energy levels drop. You need to restore the balance to restore the energy. This is a dynamic process and it needs to be closely monitored.

If you are unable to restore the balance, you eventually die.

Your grandfathers body seems to be out of balance. Your efforts should be centered around finding a way to restore the balance so your grandfather can recover.
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Yes, I agree and believe this is of the utmost importance now. The last I heard, he was at 9:45 with MMS. Ever since my grandmother started giving him higher than a 4:20 dose, she has reported that he has good and bad days. I believe I can safely follow your suggestions lower his dose back to 4:20 or 3:15 temporarily while getting him supplements, anti-oxidants, etc.

If I understand what has happened correctly, you have taken your grandfather from near death, to having greatly improved energy, and now he is beginning to drop back off. Through all of this you have been steadily increasing the dose of MMS, and have added some additional treatments.
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Yes, that sounds like an accurate summarization of what has happened since December.

We know that MMS is not selective, and that it disrupts the flora in the GI tract. Perhaps it is time to take a break from MMS and work on restoring healthy flora, and also starting a regime of anti oxidants, vitamins, minerals, and of course probiotics. Pay particular attention to what can be most beneficial to eliminating colon cancer, as well as what is used up while enduring the stress that having cancer brings.
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It is interesting because Jim Humble states on his Personal Writings Blog that MMS does not affect the flora. Then again, he also stated that MMS does not affect aerobic microorganisms but it seems it does, especially at higher doses. I wanted evidence of this before but my instints, which I tend to trust, tell me that you are being honest when you say MMS is not selective. I admit, my knowledge of chemicals is very little.

Keep a journal. Medical tests may help show progress, or lack of progress, but be sure to monitor and record energy levels. You expect to see energy levels increase, but if they start to drop off, it is time to consider changing treatments. It may be time for another round of MMS, once again closely monitoring energy levels. This time, the duration of using MMS may be much shorter, and then you can cycle back to the anti oxidant regieme. The goal is to keep the energy level climbing until full energy is restored.

Keep in mind that this is much easier to outline and lay out, than to actually do.
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Since I now know that chlorine dioxide works very rapidly, any experimentation I do can take place for approximately 1 week before trying something else. What I mean is that I'll have my grandfather go back to 4:20 for 1 week, than 3:15 and so on. As this happens, I'll do my best to make sure he getting sufficient supplements, which I believe the homeopaths might even be able to provide him with.

Now let's look at MMS. I believe that MMS is too strong, and have found it to be hazardous to handle. I would recommend diluting it down to a 5% concentration. It is much easier to measure, and much less hazardous to handle at that concentration. You can still get the same effect by simply adjusting the amount you use.

To adjust the 22.4% actual sodium chlorite solution to a 5% sodium chlorite solution you would mix 1 part of the 22.4% solution with 3.48 parts of water. You will end up with 4.48 parts of a 5% sodium chlorite solution.
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In addition to what I mentioned about lowering the dosage back down to 4:20, then 3:14 and so on, I think it makes the most sense to mix it with a larger quantity of organic grape juice and have him sip this gradually. I just love the organic grape juice that we have. The best thing is that you truly appreciate the taste of it if you keep it in your mouth for a few seconds prior to swallowing. Now if this was done with low concentrations of chlorine dioxide, this would be of benefit to the mouth as you have mentioned.

The next problem with MMS is the way it is activated. The industrial use of acidified sodium chlorite solutions has studied activation, and has developed optimum activation methods. I have run tests and found that the difference between optimum activation and MMS activation is around 30%. If you properly activated MMS, you could get the same disinfecting potential using 30% less.

The most effective way to activate a sodium chlorite solution using 10% citric acid is to do so in a 1:1 ratio. The optimum activation time is 10 minutes.
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So, 1:1 versus 1:5? Interesting.

Back to your grandfather...

If I were working with him, this is the direction I would take. His immune system has been compromised, so I would try to shield him from as much "bad stuff" as I could. I would insist that people interacting with him wash their hands before going into his room. I would insist that he frequently wash his hand too. By the way, washing involves more than simply rinsing and wiping down. I am sure you can find information on the proper way to wash your hands.

This will minimize the introduction of additional germs to your grandfather.

Along this same line, I would disinfect your grandfathers bedding, clothes, mattress, pillows, shoes, and so on. This is an excellent use of sodium chlorite. You can mix up a laundry solution by placing 20 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in a glass and adding 20 ml of 10% citric acid to activate. Let the activation continue for 10 minutes, then pour it into the laundry tub that is full of water and clothes. Wash as you normally would and use your regular detergent for washing.

To disinfect pillows, mattresses, shoes and the like, mix up 10 ml of 5% sodium chlorite and activate with 10 ml of 10% citric acid. Let the activation continue for 10 minutes, then place that solution in a spray bottle with 500 ml of water. This is an excellent, general purpose, disinfectant, and you simply spray it on the mattress and pillow and allow it to air dry. Same goes for shoes.

If someone in the house comes down with a cold, you can simply go through the rooms and give each one a spray or two to eliminate the germs in the air.

The purpose of all of this is to minimize the introduction of additional germs to your grandfather. He has enough to deal with and by removing additional loads, his immune system can focus on dealing with what is currently in his body.

Along these same lines, mix up some mouthwash. By using the mouthwash morning and night, your grandfather will be stopping germs before they can get further into his body. The mouthwash is made up by adding 13 ml of 5% sodium chlorite to 500 ml of water. The activation is done by the acids in the mouth.
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I will pass this information to my grandmother. Thanks.

Now for the tricky part...

I have no idea if a sodium chlorite solution can be beneficial to eliminating colon cancer. I also don't have anyway to test this, so it is really a shot in the dark.

I think you need to stop giving your grandfather MMS. He has been on this program long enough that if it was going to clear things up, it would have done so. Chlorine dioxide works very rapidly.

However, on the off chance that there is some benefit, consider not stopping completely, but just backing way off.

You may want to consider trying 0.5 ml of 5% sodium chlorite activated with 0.5 ml of 10% citric acid for 10 minutes, then diluted with 500 ml of water. This would be given first thing in the morning and would be finished by noon. In the afternoon, mix up 0.5 ml of 5% sodium chlorite in 500 ml of water - no activation. He can sip on this throughout the afternoon.
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Agreed.

As I mentioned earlier, this is the time for healthy foods, anti oxidants, vitamins, minerals, and probiotics.
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Agreed.

Depending on the energy levels of your grandfather, you may want to consider a pulsing regime. Let's say you go 5 days on the anti oxidant regime and using the mouthwash and a minor amount of sodium chlorite. On the last 2 days of the week you may want to consider going for a couple of stronger doses. These doses would be made by adding 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite to a glass and activating it with 1 ml of 10% citric acid. Allow the activation to continue for 10 minutes, then dilute with 500 ml of water. This would be given in the same way the other was given, just sip on it throughout the day.
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I believe most of this you have stated previously within your post, but again, agreed. :)

Once again you would be closely monitoring the feedback and would be remembering the goal is high energy and health. Adjustments would be made as necessary, and eventually you would be left with simply using the mouthwash.
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We're certainly on the same page. :)


This is far from complete, and simply reflects some off the top of my head thinking.

A good start, nonetheless. :)

I hope you appreciate the global approach to this. When you reflect upon global treatment, there are many places that a sodium chlorite solution can be used. It may not be a cure all, but it can definitely help, if not directly, then indirectly.
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I do appreciate all of this. He is doing well and I am certain in a month's time, we'll all be smiling ear-to-ear.

Tell your grandfather hello, and that I am hoping for the best for him. You might also give your grandmother a hug too.

Tom
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Thank you. If you want to see what he looks like, check my 3rd video on YouTube here:
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Does MMS work the same way on the body as H202, food grade? Anyone know?


I don't think so but then again, I think MMS is poison. Food-grade H202 works great for me.
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Where do you buy H2O2? I'm also curious if you drink it, or have experience using DMSO as the carrier?
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If there's a miracle cure, it's the foods God gave us and faith in Jesus Christ, not some poison created by the beast government. Get a clue. This is a hoax to make someone rich off the naivette of the ignorant. It's snake oil

"Jesus Christ" is a hoax to make some rich "off naivete of the ignorant". The religion evolved out of the sun worshiping cults. The sun of god became "the Son of God", the light unto the world, salvation of mankind, saving us all from eternal darkness. The sun was about the most important thing to primitive man. Watch "Zeitgeist, the movie" on utube.

It does work and it is about the cheapest cure out there. Like everything it must be used with wisdom, you can die from drinking too much water, so nothing is without some risk if not used wisely.
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I've been taking MMS since 22 Jan this year.
So far, I've have been sick since 4 th of feb. Getting 3 serious virusses, kept on taking average of 16 drops a day - since my weight is only 45 KG- higher doses would make me suffer really bad. Normally I don't get flue or stomach bugs. This could mean my immune system had a shut down after it being so high and making me sick because of it's own power (SLE, AKA Lupus) I don't know. All I know is that I will stop using it now, the diarrea didn't seize not even at a lower dose. So, all my flora must have gone to zero making me very lame for virusses any way. Somehow I felt terrible, having to go through the process on the other hand I am not sure whether this was a cleaning my system was waiting for. I will observe my system closely, for now it is sure I have to regain strenght and a proper intestinal tract with blooming flora ;---)
I will continue using the spray (skin protocol J. Humble)
which has been the real miracle visible and relieving me from a on going (major) skin problem. I feel extremely happy in my new skin. Imagine you have serious acne on arms, back and chest up to the belly button and it never responds on any type of medicinal/herbal or any kind of application...then this spray clears it in 4 weeks.

I am grateful for life and open to suggestions and never scared to try and find things out for myself.
Equality, Peace,

Elin