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Maybe so, but in what way do you feel threatened by this particular thread? It was clearly intended for a specific group—practicing Catholics—and you invited yourself. This forum is full of anti-Catholic venom, and you could easily find a more relevant thread in which to voice your complaints.

If you object to people that inflict their beliefs on others, however, you’d better steer clear of certain Protestants who cannot say enough vile and profane things about their Catholic brethren, all the while spouting chapter-and-verse, and thumping a bible they would not have were it not for the Catholic Church.
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I don't routinely see anything vile or profane said about catholic parishoners... About the homosexual and pedophile priests; well, aren't they Profane and Vile for their heresy and sin?


I suppose Father Huss was grateful to "mother" for finally allowing the mass to be said in German, and The Bible to be printed by Herr Guttenberg... Of course, Rome burned Huss alive, at the stake; and cut off his scalp before killing him for his heresy of saying the mass in language his parishoners could understand...

Lots of Christians which the rcc villifies by calling then "protestants", were involved with publishing Bibles after the printing press was invented.


Not like catholics ever used The Bible in any variation of the mass or stations of the cross, burial, baptism etc...

Sure, we're grateful; but we also expect there to be some adherence to The Word Christ Brought, and Reverence For God's Divine Plan... None of that within the rcc... In fact the nutjob pope seems to openly deny God at every chance he gets...
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Case in point.
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Maybe so, but in what way do you feel threatened by this particular thread? It was clearly intended for a specific group—practicing Catholics—and you invited yourself. This forum is full of anti-Catholic venom, and you could easily find a more relevant thread in which to voice your complaints.

If you object to people that inflict their beliefs on others, however, you’d better steer clear of certain Protestants who cannot say enough vile and profane things about their Catholic brethren, all the while spouting chapter-and-verse, and thumping a bible they would not have were it not for the Catholic Church.
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I don't routinely see anything vile or profane said about catholic parishoners... About the homosexual and pedophile priests; well, aren't they Profane and Vile for their heresy and sin?


I suppose Father Huss was grateful to "mother" for finally allowing the mass to be said in German, and The Bible to be printed by Herr Guttenberg... Of course, Rome burned Huss alive, at the stake; and cut off his scalp before killing him for his heresy of saying the mass in language his parishoners could understand...

Lots of Christians which the rcc villifies by calling then "protestants", were involved with publishing Bibles after the printing press was invented.


Not like catholics ever used The Bible in any variation of the mass or stations of the cross, burial, baptism etc...

Sure, we're grateful; but we also expect there to be some adherence to The Word Christ Brought, and Reverence For God's Divine Plan... None of that within the rcc... In fact the nutjob pope seems to openly deny God at every chance he gets...
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well it wasnt easy to protect the catholic faith, lots of opposition, i think they succeeded, and potentially a resurgence is coming, but we got to shine some light on some cobwebs first

Constantinople already fell
Rome could fall in 9.5 years
An asteroid could warn of this exactly 2 months prior
and then Russia shall be diverted to a Holy Mission
And the French King shall ride once again, but this time with the banner of Christ the King
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if china is to be converted, and saudi arabia too im thinking we need to shed some blood, in the form of martyrdom, anyone willing to be the first one through the firing line?
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The divide between the progressive and cultural Catholics, and the traditional Catholics seems set to continue into the New World Order. Whether this results in a schism or not is in God's hands.
It looks like all practicing Catholics will be confronted eventually with having to choose which side they are on, as it is even now coming up in our daily lives, whether or not to receive Our Lord in our hands.
My conscience, formed by reading and understanding the tradition of our Fathers, and prayer, will not allow me to receive in the hand, I believe it is sacrilege. If my mind has been blocked for some reason in not seeing that receiving in the hand actually is reverential and a practice God loves, then I'll keep praying to be unblocked.
I face mild persecution already for my conviction in my parish. I suspect it will get worse.
The progressives claim we are guilty of pride, uncharity, being a Pharisee. I do my examination of conscience paying particular attention to these, and will confess them if I find them, and act to amend them. I hope they do the same, for their sins.
We can be friends if we all practice charity, it is after all what we are commanded to do.
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The divide between the progressive and cultural Catholics, and the traditional Catholics seems set to continue into the New World Order. Whether this results in a schism or not is in God's hands.
It looks like all practicing Catholics will be confronted eventually with having to choose which side they are on, as it is even now coming up in our daily lives, whether or not to receive Our Lord in our hands.
My conscience, formed by reading and understanding the tradition of our Fathers, and prayer, will not allow me to receive in the hand, I believe it is sacrilege. If my mind has been blocked for some reason in not seeing that receiving in the hand actually is reverential and a practice God loves, then I'll keep praying to be unblocked.
I face mild persecution already for my conviction in my parish. I suspect it will get worse.
The progressives claim we are guilty of pride, uncharity, being a Pharisee. I do my examination of conscience paying particular attention to these, and will confess them if I find them, and act to amend them. I hope they do the same, for their sins.
We can be friends if we all practice charity, it is after all what we are commanded to do.
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there is persecution if you try to receive on your knees/tongue. ill be honest, the discussion should never have come to this, we need to look to the East for answers, and they mix the wine and bread in the chalice and serve on a spoon. thats the best way to do it, allow no option. do not allow people to take the host.
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my uncle received on his knees and via tongue and the priest told him "we dont do that here". lol. is it the living God or is it not? we really need anyone that does not believe it is to leave the church.
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In John Chapter 6 the disciples stopped following Jesus when he explained the Eucharist to them. Nowadays, the disciples stay in his Church, and try to convince others that the Eucharist is not Jesus. We got some problems here.
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How God wants us to manage this is only clear so far in a spiritual sense, to embrace the suffering and offer it to Him. Pray on your knees. And love till your heart bleeds!
The majority have it their way, clergy and laity.
To change it would take an ex cathedra statement from Pope Francis, I suspect, the practice is so entrenched. Maybe Bishops will rise up strong and begin to reinstate true worship and reverence.
But they can't ignore the issue if more and more of us ask to receive on the tongue, on our knees.
My situation is that I've only done a spiritual communion since the wu-flu began and we couldn't receive on the tongue anymore, beginning of March. I'm longing for the full sacrament!
Even though our Masses are starting again this week, communion on the tongue isn't allowed. I have emailed the Bishop, and am praying he will reconsider, but it would a bit of a miracle.
So I'll continue with spiritual communion in my parish, and make acts of reparation. I'm pretty sure the traditional parish in the city, 500 kms away, will be able to provide communion on the tongue, even if by private appointment and not at Mass, so I'll go there as often as I can manage it.
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True Presence yes:

[link to www.miracolieucaristici.org]

Great Young Lad, very recnt, who is beatified created that proof and resource if dont know here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Official ones here:

[link to www.therealpresence.org]

Transubstantiation is real.

That was proven in lourdes in one of the lesser known Miracles during consecration by an Cardinal Archbishop and Bishop braodcast live on TV seen by tens of thousands, with the top trappist Monks from all the monastries in the world present in a provate special mass for them.

The Below is the best Qaulity for seeing what, happened the context watching the actual miracle at the exact point of consecration:

The Eucharist shows its delight at consecration, this is an actual miracle you can watch (though I believe not approved, though make up your own mind by watching it and where it is and who is present and the timing)



Unconsecrated Hands touching the Body, Soul Divinty of God?

Of course not sacriledge isnt it?

(of which I have been guilty no judgement just stating a truth!)

GodBless.

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I said to keep yourself from idols, little children.

And that included idols of mary, cross, trophy, king and queen sir, lord, knight, etc.

"They are altogether foolish and senseless; they all taught by worthless wooden idols." - Jeremiah 10:8

"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." - 1 John 5:21

"They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation [of Elijah the prophet] they shall perish." - Jeremiah 51:18
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I said to keep yourself from idols, little children.

And that included idols of Mary, cross, trophy, king and queen sir, lord, knight, etc.

"They are altogether foolish and senseless; they all taught by worthless wooden idols." - Jeremiah 10:8

"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." - 1 John 5:21

"They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation [of Elijah the prophet] they shall perish." - Jeremiah 51:18

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Like the idols of your mind.

Thinking ye, know can mock the way in the Old Testament the Father of Jesus, our Eternal Father made it very specific and very clear the covenants, the way he was to be worshipped, honoured, and how to do this.

How Jesus was the new Covenant.

And how he specifically stated how to do it, and who and how that was to be the way it was to be passed on and done, with fruits, like ALL the saints (is there a protestant saint Please show me uncorrupted, miracles et?)

How he was like in the old testament as many like to quote oh so much (not the Vulgate or Dough Rheims the original) but bad translations, that he was the both the priest, the sin, grain, etc. etc. offering as found in how Eternal Father before sending his only begotten son, and the new covenant ( and how he stated you must eat of my Body and Blood before many left and abandoned it for their own desires and the teachings of others) stated was to be offered in Leviticus, etc., after the first covenant was broken much more simple of the ten commandments etc.

The Idols of your mind Like the Calvin's, I KNOW how and what god wants rather than how he made it very explicit in the old testament, which led from the ten commandments to the heavy Leviticus Rules to make up for the mocking and "I Know best" " I am able to me my ego say what god wants, he means, is best etc. etc." (heard that before?) then Jesus made it VERY specific in the new covenant what and WHO his new covenant was to be based upon (besides its attack from without and within now and for so long, I WONDER WHY?) however as ALL saints have said you know who perform (not them, broken humble poverty chastity obedience suffering for the glory of God) actual Miracles not Quoting or Ad hominem selective attacks to fit their agenda, whose corporal bodies DO NOT DECAY who raise the dead, cast out evil spirits, heal the sick (Luther? really where?) Make the blind see, as Jesus said those He passed on the "loose and bound" would do, is proven time and time again for a couple of thousand years not a couple of hundred.

YOU WILL NEVER FIND A SAINT OR TRUE PRIEST ETC of the RCC who ever says THEY did anything, consecrated anything, healed anyone, an exorcist that exorcised anyone at all, that any Doctors of the Church ever realised anything at all ( I am very sure you know very much of the classic St Paul of the Cross "Dark Night of The Soul" the oft in new age etc. quoted "catchphrase" that in fact like your quotes means something else entirely, just like Descartes was quoted and if often "God is dead" when in fact on KNOWING the subject he was saying, because God has been replaced in modern (revolution of France and the Fre e M a s O n s (protestants to) with Liberalism (Protestantism and such like liberty I CHOOSE, I KNOW MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD (the sin that cant be forgiven! thinking you know your state of the soul as seen by God) what if you read THE ENTIRE thing, he said was that because "God" had been killed by thought, ideas, science memes, arrogance etc. man's ego, that society like every time it had happened in the past was ruined and on one path, to ruin and will collapse and be chaos.

Hows that worked out and is?

Just as he said but the deceiver through his little 95% true here kitty uses it to mock what was being said originally.

Please just go and start a thread on paedophile priests, its true it happened, it does, yes, also please AND I WILL JUMP ALL OVER IT WITH YOUR LOVE OF "FACTS" and not mine, many many total proof over decades now, that in-fact in proportion to for example, Social Workers, Foster Parents, Actual Parents (step), Medical Professionals, Et all the percentage of actual Kiddy fiddling within the Catholic Church by Consecrated individuals is WAY lower than any of those demographics, and lower than the general population.

Hows the idols of your minds, the memes? the lies?

Raise the dead, show me a Protestant not rotting after a few hundred years, shoe me the blind seeing, the possessed being exorcised show me the what Jesus said he did and his apostles did within "your mind and world"....

Leave this thread, this is asking about the True Catholics who (and as the video shows as at that place over 67 people (thousands without official investigations) have been blind and see, been lame and walk, been sick and are well with totally independent many doctors saying " we cant explain it its impossible in medicine and science" and how we can accept a blessing/sacrament JESUS TOLD YOU TO DO.

[link to www.lourdes-france.org (secure)]

Oh and what a worse sinner I was and am than you, though I will not deny his true church. There is NOTHING you or probably most reading this have done worse than me, I am not being meek its a FACT.

What Amazing Grace. For a Sinner like me.

May GodBless you and yours, because we have no Right to say GodBless we are NOT God, we can petition, I have no authority over you, though if you have a wife and children as a man you do and should be in prayer for at least 1 hour a day to protect them like the old testament, this is something that the true Catholic Church knows well, structures of Authority and such like, which the whole "protestant" thing, like Henry the 8th I want to kill my wife and get married again and still be in god's favour started, in reality you will find an exorcist must get "faculties" from a Bishop to perform exorcism on his patch, because a Catholic Bishop has total Authority over ALL Demons even the evil one himself in his diocese, (of course saints are different and particular choosing of the saints and Jesus and the BVM and God in a [particular case, you see some possessed when it gets to the main demon after the common fodder demand "On what Authority do you do this?" Exorcism, then the exorcist goes to the Bishop gets "faculties" ( the Authorities of the Bishop to exorcise on his behalf) and then returns and the Demon whimpers fights and does all sorts but LEAVES and like in Jesus Life they are Freed!!! like His Apostles did, quote scripture LIKE HE Did, (after a Psychiatrist and medical doctor confirm independently not on a stage not on a mega church Hypnosis etc., that there is no known medical cause, the person is sane and they cant explain with modern science what's going on! only then in any RCC can the rite of exorcism be performed!) this has been shown, proven and happens weekly...things like this... like Jesus Said Your will be done not mine.... careful really... Idols in your mind.

Here Kitty Kitty have the Apple you will know the difference between good and evil.

Yeah right.

Its clear OT.

Its Clear NT

Its clear many left when asked to eat of the blood and flesh.

Its clear those that did and lived like him like the saints are in ONE church and have fruits.

Its clear his true presence.

Start a Fake News spun paedophilia (though yes it did and does happen) Priest mocking thread Thank you. You will get lots of likes and stars etc.

May GodBless you.

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Maybe so, but in what way do you feel threatened by this particular thread? It was clearly intended for a specific group—practicing Catholics—and you invited yourself. This forum is full of anti-Catholic venom, and you could easily find a more relevant thread in which to voice your complaints.

If you object to people that inflict their beliefs on others, however, you’d better steer clear of certain Protestants who cannot say enough vile and profane things about their Catholic brethren, all the while spouting chapter-and-verse, and thumping a bible they would not have were it not for the Catholic Church.
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I don't routinely see anything vile or profane said about catholic parishoners... About the homosexual and pedophile priests; well, aren't they Profane and Vile for their heresy and sin?


I suppose Father Huss was grateful to "mother" for finally allowing the mass to be said in German, and The Bible to be printed by Herr Guttenberg... Of course, Rome burned Huss alive, at the stake; and cut off his scalp before killing him for his heresy of saying the mass in language his parishoners could understand...

Lots of Christians which the rcc villifies by calling then "protestants", were involved with publishing Bibles after the printing press was invented.


Not like catholics ever used The Bible in any variation of the mass or stations of the cross, burial, baptism etc...

Sure, we're grateful; but we also expect there to be some adherence to The Word Christ Brought, and Reverence For God's Divine Plan... None of that within the rcc... In fact the nutjob pope seems to openly deny God at every chance he gets...
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Lots of problems here. Hus was burned to death by the state, not the church. He was declared a heretic by the church. You can find a list of the heresies. You’ll not find on the list saying Mass in the local language. So, I think you have a misunderstanding of history.

Much of the Mass comes straight from the Bible. So you’re wrong about that. Also, it was the Catholic Church who compiled and copied the Bible for centuries.
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How God wants us to manage this is only clear so far in a spiritual sense, to embrace the suffering and offer it to Him. Pray on your knees. And love till your heart bleeds!
The majority have it their way, clergy and laity.
To change it would take an ex cathedra statement from Pope Francis, I suspect, the practice is so entrenched. Maybe Bishops will rise up strong and begin to reinstate true worship and reverence.
But they can't ignore the issue if more and more of us ask to receive on the tongue, on our knees.
My situation is that I've only done a spiritual communion since the wu-flu began and we couldn't receive on the tongue anymore, beginning of March. I'm longing for the full sacrament!
Even though our Masses are starting again this week, communion on the tongue isn't allowed. I have emailed the Bishop, and am praying he will reconsider, but it would a bit of a miracle.
So I'll continue with spiritual communion in my parish, and make acts of reparation. I'm pretty sure the traditional parish in the city, 500 kms away, will be able to provide communion on the tongue, even if by private appointment and not at Mass, so I'll go there as often as I can manage it.
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Unfortunately any bishop who would demand communion on the tongue is both disobedient and has an obvious lack of understanding and belief in the Real Presence. So, I doubt he’ll change his mind, I’d not receive either if wrongly forced to receive on the tongue.
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How God wants us to manage this is only clear so far in a spiritual sense, to embrace the suffering and offer it to Him. Pray on your knees. And love till your heart bleeds!
The majority have it their way, clergy and laity.
To change it would take an ex cathedra statement from Pope Francis, I suspect, the practice is so entrenched. Maybe Bishops will rise up strong and begin to reinstate true worship and reverence.
But they can't ignore the issue if more and more of us ask to receive on the tongue, on our knees.
My situation is that I've only done a spiritual communion since the wu-flu began and we couldn't receive on the tongue anymore, beginning of March. I'm longing for the full sacrament!
Even though our Masses are starting again this week, communion on the tongue isn't allowed. I have emailed the Bishop, and am praying he will reconsider, but it would a bit of a miracle.
So I'll continue with spiritual communion in my parish, and make acts of reparation. I'm pretty sure the traditional parish in the city, 500 kms away, will be able to provide communion on the tongue, even if by private appointment and not at Mass, so I'll go there as often as I can manage it.
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Unfortunately any bishop who would demand communion on the tongue is both disobedient and has an obvious lack of understanding and belief in the Real Presence. So, I doubt he’ll change his mind, I’d not receive either if wrongly forced to receive on the tongue.
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There are some who listen to the medical advice that follows logic, there is no greater danger in receiving on the tongue than the hand.
In the hand was an exception to the norm of the tongue, one of those small incremental unimportant little changes that satan so loves. Like girl altar boys. Like Amazon women deacons. Like the priest facing the people like an actor...
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How God wants us to manage this is only clear so far in a spiritual sense, to embrace the suffering and offer it to Him. Pray on your knees. And love till your heart bleeds!
The majority have it their way, clergy and laity.
To change it would take an ex cathedra statement from Pope Francis, I suspect, the practice is so entrenched. Maybe Bishops will rise up strong and begin to reinstate true worship and reverence.
But they can't ignore the issue if more and more of us ask to receive on the tongue, on our knees.
My situation is that I've only done a spiritual communion since the wu-flu began and we couldn't receive on the tongue anymore, beginning of March. I'm longing for the full sacrament!
Even though our Masses are starting again this week, communion on the tongue isn't allowed. I have emailed the Bishop, and am praying he will reconsider, but it would a bit of a miracle.
So I'll continue with spiritual communion in my parish, and make acts of reparation. I'm pretty sure the traditional parish in the city, 500 kms away, will be able to provide communion on the tongue, even if by private appointment and not at Mass, so I'll go there as often as I can manage it.
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Unfortunately any bishop who would demand communion on the tongue is both disobedient and has an obvious lack of understanding and belief in the Real Presence. So, I doubt he’ll change his mind, I’d not receive either if wrongly forced to receive on the tongue.
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There are some who listen to the medical advice that follows logic, there is no greater danger in receiving on the tongue than the hand.
In the hand was an exception to the norm of the tongue, one of those small incremental unimportant little changes that satan so loves. Like girl altar boys. Like Amazon women deacons. Like the priest facing the people like an actor...
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I agree, receiving on the tongue is no more dangerous. The bishops forcing receiving on the hand aren’t following logic. They are following their own misunderstanding or, God help us, hatred of tradition.
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Lol. Maybe God don’t want you there?

Come out of her.
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I've been reading through the Old Testament and these Bishops remind me of the Pharaoh whose heart God let be hardened...
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Maybe so, but in what way do you feel threatened by this particular thread? It was clearly intended for a specific group—practicing Catholics—and you invited yourself. This forum is full of anti-Catholic venom, and you could easily find a more relevant thread in which to voice your complaints.

If you object to people that inflict their beliefs on others, however, you’d better steer clear of certain Protestants who cannot say enough vile and profane things about their Catholic brethren, all the while spouting chapter-and-verse, and thumping a bible they would not have were it not for the Catholic Church.
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I don't routinely see anything vile or profane said about catholic parishoners... About the homosexual and pedophile priests; well, aren't they Profane and Vile for their heresy and sin?


I suppose Father Huss was grateful to "mother" for finally allowing the mass to be said in German, and The Bible to be printed by Herr Guttenberg... Of course, Rome burned Huss alive, at the stake; and cut off his scalp before killing him for his heresy of saying the mass in language his parishoners could understand...

Lots of Christians which the rcc villifies by calling then "protestants", were involved with publishing Bibles after the printing press was invented.


Not like catholics ever used The Bible in any variation of the mass or stations of the cross, burial, baptism etc...

Sure, we're grateful; but we also expect there to be some adherence to The Word Christ Brought, and Reverence For God's Divine Plan... None of that within the rcc... In fact the nutjob pope seems to openly deny God at every chance he gets...
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If you're going to talk about the pedophile and homosexual priests, at least mention that the Catholic Church has not wavered on teaching the truth about homosexuality and other issues while many Christian denominations today have caved to the culture and allowed marriage to be redefined. Some denominations even say that abortion is morally acceptable. I take it you have never been to a Catholic mass, where there are three readings from Sacred Scripture at each mass (One from the Old Testament, one from the New, one from the Gospels, all related). The whole Bible is covered in 3 year cycles at every Catholic Church worldwide. Besides the readings, the entire mass is full of direct quotes from Sacred Scripture. Also, most Catholics understood Latin when the mass was said in Latin. The mass was said in the same language all over the world so that you knew what was going on no matter where you were. That's beautiful if you ask me. The Catholic Church chose the books of the Bible, so to acknowledge the authority of Sacred Scripture is to acknowledge the authority of the Catholic Church. Not going to get into the myths about the Church suppressing the Bible, you probably think because I have no rebuttal but that's not the case. Try to find an objective source about that.
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if china is to be converted, and saudi arabia too im thinking we need to shed some blood, in the form of martyrdom, anyone willing to be the first one through the firing line?
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It would be an honor.
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Maybe so, but in what way do you feel threatened by this particular thread? It was clearly intended for a specific group—practicing Catholics—and you invited yourself. This forum is full of anti-Catholic venom, and you could easily find a more relevant thread in which to voice your complaints.

If you object to people that inflict their beliefs on others, however, you’d better steer clear of certain Protestants who cannot say enough vile and profane things about their Catholic brethren, all the while spouting chapter-and-verse, and thumping a bible they would not have were it not for the Catholic Church.
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I don't routinely see anything vile or profane said about catholic parishoners... About the homosexual and pedophile priests; well, aren't they Profane and Vile for their heresy and sin?


I suppose Father Huss was grateful to "mother" for finally allowing the mass to be said in German, and The Bible to be printed by Herr Guttenberg... Of course, Rome burned Huss alive, at the stake; and cut off his scalp before killing him for his heresy of saying the mass in language his parishoners could understand...

Lots of Christians which the rcc villifies by calling then "protestants", were involved with publishing Bibles after the printing press was invented.


Not like catholics ever used The Bible in any variation of the mass or stations of the cross, burial, baptism etc...

Sure, we're grateful; but we also expect there to be some adherence to The Word Christ Brought, and Reverence For God's Divine Plan... None of that within the rcc... In fact the nutjob pope seems to openly deny God at every chance he gets...
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If you're going to talk about the pedophile and homosexual priests, at least mention that the Catholic Church has not wavered on teaching the truth about homosexuality and other issues while many Christian denominations today have caved to the culture and allowed marriage to be redefined. Some denominations even say that abortion is morally acceptable. I take it you have never been to a Catholic mass, where there are three readings from Sacred Scripture at each mass (One from the Old Testament, one from the New, one from the Gospels, all related). The whole Bible is covered in 3 year cycles at every Catholic Church worldwide. Besides the readings, the entire mass is full of direct quotes from Sacred Scripture. Also, most Catholics understood Latin when the mass was said in Latin. The mass was said in the same language all over the world so that you knew what was going on no matter where you were. That's beautiful if you ask me. The Catholic Church chose the books of the Bible, so to acknowledge the authority of Sacred Scripture is to acknowledge the authority of the Catholic Church. Not going to get into the myths about the Church suppressing the Bible, you probably think because I have no rebuttal but that's not the case. Try to find an objective source about that.
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Great response. And regarding pedophilia, the Catholic Church has less pedophiles than the public schools people send their kids to. And they have no more than other religions. It is just that the Church is so large that people pay more attention to it. Also the media and Protestants always want to denigrate the Church. That said, it is a shame what has happened in the true Church. They allowed too many homosexuals to become priests and hence The abuse problem.
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Maybe so, but in what way do you feel threatened by this particular thread? It was clearly intended for a specific group—practicing Catholics—and you invited yourself. This forum is full of anti-Catholic venom, and you could easily find a more relevant thread in which to voice your complaints.

If you object to people that inflict their beliefs on others, however, you’d better steer clear of certain Protestants who cannot say enough vile and profane things about their Catholic brethren, all the while spouting chapter-and-verse, and thumping a bible they would not have were it not for the Catholic Church.
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I don't routinely see anything vile or profane said about catholic parishoners... About the homosexual and pedophile priests; well, aren't they Profane and Vile for their heresy and sin?


I suppose Father Huss was grateful to "mother" for finally allowing the mass to be said in German, and The Bible to be printed by Herr Guttenberg... Of course, Rome burned Huss alive, at the stake; and cut off his scalp before killing him for his heresy of saying the mass in language his parishoners could understand...

Lots of Christians which the rcc villifies by calling then "protestants", were involved with publishing Bibles after the printing press was invented.


Not like catholics ever used The Bible in any variation of the mass or stations of the cross, burial, baptism etc...

Sure, we're grateful; but we also expect there to be some adherence to The Word Christ Brought, and Reverence For God's Divine Plan... None of that within the rcc... In fact the nutjob pope seems to openly deny God at every chance he gets...
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Lots of problems here. Hus was burned to death by the state, not the church. He was declared a heretic by the church. You can find a list of the heresies. You’ll not find on the list saying Mass in the local language. So, I think you have a misunderstanding of history.

Much of the Mass comes straight from the Bible. So you’re wrong about that. Also, it was the Catholic Church who compiled and copied the Bible for centuries.
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Anyone who claims that the Catholic Church does not use the Bible is either ignorant or outright lying, as one could not make such a statement after having attended a single Holy Mass, Stations, a funeral or a baptism. The Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, is responsible for having compiled and canonized the first bible, in 397 A.D.; why would it subsequently dispose of it? Sacred Scripture, together with Sacred Tradition and guided by the Magisterium, form the deposit of the Catholic Faith.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".
. . . two distinct modes of transmission

81 "Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit."
"And [Holy] Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching."
82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."44

The term “Protestant” is descriptive, not derogatory. Protestants were proud to refer to themselves as such, and many still are. The point at which some of them began to take offense is unclear, but it was very recent...probably when everyone began to take offense at everything.
Definition of protestant (Entry 1 of 2)
1 Protestant
a : any of a group of German princes and cities presenting a defense of freedom of conscience against an edict of the Diet of Speyer in 1529 intended to suppress the Lutheran movement
b : a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth
broadly : a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church


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Maybe so, but in what way do you feel threatened by this particular thread? It was clearly intended for a specific group—practicing Catholics—and you invited yourself. This forum is full of anti-Catholic venom, and you could easily find a more relevant thread in which to voice your complaints.

If you object to people that inflict their beliefs on others, however, you’d better steer clear of certain Protestants who cannot say enough vile and profane things about their Catholic brethren, all the while spouting chapter-and-verse, and thumping a bible they would not have were it not for the Catholic Church.
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I don't routinely see anything vile or profane said about catholic parishoners... About the homosexual and pedophile priests; well, aren't they Profane and Vile for their heresy and sin?


I suppose Father Huss was grateful to "mother" for finally allowing the mass to be said in German, and The Bible to be printed by Herr Guttenberg... Of course, Rome burned Huss alive, at the stake; and cut off his scalp before killing him for his heresy of saying the mass in language his parishoners could understand...

Lots of Christians which the rcc villifies by calling then "protestants", were involved with publishing Bibles after the printing press was invented.


Not like catholics ever used The Bible in any variation of the mass or stations of the cross, burial, baptism etc...

Sure, we're grateful; but we also expect there to be some adherence to The Word Christ Brought, and Reverence For God's Divine Plan... None of that within the rcc... In fact the nutjob pope seems to openly deny God at every chance he gets...
 Quoting: Lester 58915073


If you're going to talk about the pedophile and homosexual priests, at least mention that the Catholic Church has not wavered on teaching the truth about homosexuality and other issues while many Christian denominations today have caved to the culture and allowed marriage to be redefined. Some denominations even say that abortion is morally acceptable. I take it you have never been to a Catholic mass, where there are three readings from Sacred Scripture at each mass (One from the Old Testament, one from the New, one from the Gospels, all related). The whole Bible is covered in 3 year cycles at every Catholic Church worldwide. Besides the readings, the entire mass is full of direct quotes from Sacred Scripture. Also, most Catholics understood Latin when the mass was said in Latin. The mass was said in the same language all over the world so that you knew what was going on no matter where you were. That's beautiful if you ask me. The Catholic Church chose the books of the Bible, so to acknowledge the authority of Sacred Scripture is to acknowledge the authority of the Catholic Church. Not going to get into the myths about the Church suppressing the Bible, you probably think because I have no rebuttal but that's not the case. Try to find an objective source about that.
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Great response. And regarding pedophilia, the Catholic Church has less pedophiles than the public schools people send their kids to. And they have no more than other religions. It is just that the Church is so large that people pay more attention to it. Also the media and Protestants always want to denigrate the Church. That said, it is a shame what has happened in the true Church. They allowed too many homosexuals to become priests and hence The abuse problem.
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Also I think the Church is held to a higher standard because it claims to be the teacher of the eternal and objective truth on faith and morality. I believe it is. But yes, it is a terrible shame what has happened to the Church. It's an outrage and a disgrace. I was an altar server myself. I've heard theories that it starts in seminaries which are not adequately vetting candidates, or even giving Holy Orders to seminarians who have not demonstrated the fortitude required to overcome their sexual desires, perverted or not. God forbid there was an organized nefarious infiltration of the Church. It is possible, but that theory seems too convenient, like what a prideful Catholic in denial would say. Priests are sinners too. The cases of Cardinals or Bishops allowing pedophile priests to continue being priests, if true, are very disturbing. I believe that any Cardinal or Bishop who knowingly did that should be defrocked and possibly thrown in jail for reckless child endangerment and for aiding and abetting a child predator. Of course the priests who did it should be defrocked and thrown in jail too. I do believe that the Church will stand strong until the end of time.
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Get in touch with a traditional Mass priest, I'm sure he would know.
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Good idea, thanks.
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It depends on the trad priest. Ours is towing the diocesan line, so no Masses. If you are a server you could offer to assist.
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It is funny to see how ignorant Christians are of their own religion. even if I love them is my brother and sisters in Christ

For some reason they seem to hate Catholics who are Christ's Church. There is no denying that

Jesus has one Church

And it isn't the Baptist or Lutheran or any Protestant church

Is the Catholic Church which is why Satan is trying to destroy her for 2,000 years
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if china is to be converted, and saudi arabia too im thinking we need to shed some blood, in the form of martyrdom, anyone willing to be the first one through the firing line?
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It would be an honor.
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Deus vult.
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So far, respectful discussions of differing opinions, but buckle up...the frothing at the mouth, irrational haters who are locked in various logical fallacies, and not interested in intelligent debate, will be descending upon this thread.

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If OP is still monitoring this page and is who he says he is, one can go to www.traditio.com and they have a list of FSSP and SSPX masses. The SSPX masses will not have shut down during the quarantine and many of the FSSP masses will be opening up.
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Yeah I'd be up for underground masses in the South Jersey area.
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if china is to be converted, and saudi arabia too im thinking we need to shed some blood, in the form of martyrdom, anyone willing to be the first one through the firing line?
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It would be an honor.
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Deus vult.
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"And the disciples departed from the Sanhedrin, rejoicing that they had been counted worthy to suffer persecution for the sake of the Name." 10 of those disciples became martyrs. Judas obviously didn't. John was thrown in a pool of hot oil but survived and lived the rest of his life in pain.

"The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church." -Tertullian, 197 AD





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