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STARTREK: The FERENGI: anti-Semitic characters?

 
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STARTREK: The FERENGI: anti-Semitic characters?
In Startrek Deep Space 9, the characters called the Ferengi were called ant-semitic because they closely depicted the stereotype of Jews. They were called "Space Jews" because they resembled both the physical and cultural stereotypes of Jews. WHAT this true or was it calling a race card? Read on:

from: [link to www.kinema.uwaterloo.ca]

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Bernardi also explains that Star Trek fans have argued on the electronic mailing list that the Ferengi are comparable to Jews while other fans object to the racist implications of these comparisons. The point of this current study is not to argue that the Ferengi are or are not consciously patterned after racist Jewish stereotypes. However, there are some striking similarities between the creators' description and common negative Jewish stereotypes as described by Wilson. Wilson explains that "overtly malevolent and clearly anti-Semitic [stereotypes portray] Jews as pushy, covetous, clannish, ill-man-nered [sic], ruthless, dishonest, mercenary, grasping, overbearing, sloppy, loud, money-loving, and uncouth." (23) Regardless of any direct or indirect connections made by fans between Ferengi and anti-Semitic stereotypes, the fact that the Ferengi are an "othered" race in the Star Trek universe is key to this analysis.

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Anyone that has seen star trek knows that the ferengi are space-jews.

Most of the time I cant remember the word ferengi so I just call them the space-jews.
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Re: STARTREK: The FERENGI: anti-Semitic characters?
Nah, the FERENGI are much better-looking
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Uncanny resemblence, wasn't it.
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Never spoke about it, but yea, I thought of them as representative of the Jewish race. A real convincing similarity! I guess that wh the Jews in Hollywood wanted the characters done away with.
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You guys are funny.

Ferengi is an Arabic word meaning "foreigner".
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yep, greedy Jews.........I knew that and I was a teenager when it came out!
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When I think of the Ferengi,

I think of the fat, balding, overweight and greedy neocon/chickenhawk Americans [the average hardworking American excluded].

These people are less about hard work and more about living off the hard work of others. That's Ferengi for you. PROFFFFFIT!

It's not about race anymore... it's about a way of thinking. Dump this nonsense that is weighing you down, because most of us can agree with you if we are all together in saying that this way of thinking is ruining the world.
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I remember when this assertion first came up. It was Jewish groups who actually pointed it out. Up to then, no one even thought of it, or at least mentioned it. Afterwards, the writers actually made the Ferengi almost a "regular" on the show. So much for Jewish influence in Hollywood!
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Data: "A Monk, a Clone, and a Ferengi go into a bowling alley...."

Captain: "Shut up Data."

THREE YEARS LATER DATA COMPLETES THE JOKE.

Data: "And the bartender says: "the Monk and the Clone are OK, but the Ferengi in the gorilla suit has got to go.""
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so? Jews can't make fun of themselves now???

don't jews control hollywood, the star trek franchise, and aren't most of the cast jews???

gimme a fucking break!

truth hurts? maybe jews should look at themselves and see what they get to be in their next life...a snivelling, ugly, ferengi space jew.
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Dr Zoidberg from Futurama is the best, I think he is supposed to be some kind of Jew alien, he deffinetly sounds like a Jew.

BTW I love the Jews. They are cool.
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Dr Zoidberg from Futurama is the best, I think he is supposed to be some kind of Jew alien, he deffinetly sounds like a Jew.

BTW I love the Jews. They are cool.
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They love you too, goy.
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I enjoy watching Star Trek, I left it like it is, a better portrait of the future,little bit of hope. You are going too far.
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The Ferengi were disgusting little creatures, more like harmless funny villains. I heard about the noise being made that they were supposed be depicting Jews. However, no other race, to my knowledge, ever complained that one of the alien races on Startrek were supposed be depicting present day human races. I suppose being over-sensitive can create a problem where there is none.
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The Ferengi were disgusting little creatures, more like harmless funny villains. I heard about the noise being made that they were supposed be depicting Jews. However, no other race, to my knowledge, ever complained that one of the alien races on Startrek were supposed be depicting present day human races. I suppose being over-sensitive can create a problem where there is none.
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Klingons were black people, notice they are angry and fight all the time, and are brown.
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I figured they were lawyers and politicians
Identity politics, which is now more or less synonymous with progressivism, has its soul and substance in resentment. It thrives on the arousal of resentment, on the instigation of perpetual outrage.
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Klingons were black people, notice they are angry and fight all the time, and are brown.
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Re: STARTREK: The FERENGI: anti-Semitic characters?
I am not reading this shit, only stopping in to comment on the title.

Who gives a rats ass about the term 'anti-semitic'. It's only placed in society to make people feel bad. It's redundant, just as well say 'racism'...

And anytime a government is criminal, people will say "those fucking criminals". Truth makes someone defined?

I think not.



In Startrek Deep Space 9, the characters called the Ferengi were called ant-semitic because they closely depicted the stereotype of Jews. They were called "Space Jews" because they resembled both the physical and cultural stereotypes of Jews. WHAT this true or was it calling a race card? Read on:

from: [link to www.kinema.uwaterloo.ca]

Partial quote:
Bernardi also explains that Star Trek fans have argued on the electronic mailing list that the Ferengi are comparable to Jews while other fans object to the racist implications of these comparisons. The point of this current study is not to argue that the Ferengi are or are not consciously patterned after racist Jewish stereotypes. However, there are some striking similarities between the creators' description and common negative Jewish stereotypes as described by Wilson. Wilson explains that "overtly malevolent and clearly anti-Semitic [stereotypes portray] Jews as pushy, covetous, clannish, ill-man-nered [sic], ruthless, dishonest, mercenary, grasping, overbearing, sloppy, loud, money-loving, and uncouth." (23) Regardless of any direct or indirect connections made by fans between Ferengi and anti-Semitic stereotypes, the fact that the Ferengi are an "othered" race in the Star Trek universe is key to this analysis.

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Re: STARTREK: The FERENGI: anti-Semitic characters?
Yes, the Ferengi are the space-Jews of the future. Those characters are probably close to the way they will look and act. StarTrek is a classic and the writers seem to have a good handle on future alien races.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Ferengi rules of acquisition.
Anti-semitic? Nope.
Satirical of stereotypical Jews? Yep.
Hilarious? Yep.
Ignorance is the root of fear
Fear is the kindling of anger
War is the bringer of shame
But never has the burden lain so heavily upon the victim
Rage and desolation
Pain and loneliness
Isn't it all alarmingly familiar?
Hey, hey, hey, silence is a killer.
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Don't forget the most applicable rule of acquisition to the Ferengi being based on Jews: 34. War is good for business.
Ignorance is the root of fear
Fear is the kindling of anger
War is the bringer of shame
But never has the burden lain so heavily upon the victim
Rage and desolation
Pain and loneliness
Isn't it all alarmingly familiar?
Hey, hey, hey, silence is a killer.
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Re: STARTREK: The FERENGI: anti-Semitic characters?
You guys are funny.

Ferengi is an Arabic word meaning "foreigner".
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Arabs view Jews as foreigners to their lands...
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Zoidberg is a good one..definitely jewish - but south park's cartman has them both beat for making fun of jews on tv.
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They're anti semetic ( a fake made up term)? They're totally jews. Just how everyone that runs your banks are.
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I enjoy watching Star Trek, I left it like it is, a better portrait of the future,little bit of hope. You are going too far.
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star trek a better future? you're kidding right? lol

interstellar communism ftw?
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Space jews are here on earth. Ever wonder why the ashkenazim have much genetic dysfunctionality/dis-eases?
Watch Icke's interview w/ "Arizona Wilder" and ask yourself who she is talking about coming to earth appox. 6000 years ago. What is the Jewish calendar year? I think it is around 5786 or something like that?

Things that make ya' go hmmmm.....
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If that is the case who are the changelings?

Who are the Vorta and who are the other super violent ones (lizard like ones)

Who is the trill as well
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Re: STARTREK: The FERENGI: anti-Semitic characters?
The alien races were not supposed to mimic present days races. It was a oversensitve Jewish groups who thought the Ferengi were supposed to represent the stereotypical Jew. Just another case of trying to play a race card.
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Yes, the Ferengi are the space-Jews of the future. Those characters are probably close to the way they will look and act. StarTrek is a classic and the writers seem to have a good handle on future alien races.
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