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Understanding Anti Vaxxers And Their Opposition to Vaccines

 
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with all that has been revealed so far, does anyone really believe you can trust any study, report, or analysis on any subject by any group be it govenmt, scientific, or private organization or otherwise?
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or anti-vaxxer?
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It's not possible to have an intelligent discussion with shills, best to just drop off the one star and be on your way to more productive threads.
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tweet response to anti-vaxxer. LOL


People say “well what did people do before vaccines/antibiotics/pasteurisation?” as if that’s an argument for going natural. They died, Carol. A lot of people died.
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It's not possible to have an intelligent discussion with shills, best to just drop off the one star and be on your way to more productive threads.
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Can't handle the science?
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not being vaccinated lowers herd immunity... that's a new one.

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Herd immunity comes from infection.
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Germline mutations and off target mutations with the new CRISPR-cas9 DNA/RNA type vaccinations. No testing, no product liability, not safe. So vaxxers, roll up your sleeves, you be first with your ID2020 nano implants and the hydrogels injections. If you don't know what this verbiage is all about, you have absolutely no comprehension of the biological consequences about modern vaccines and genetic genome editing, none. The day of a cowpox jab on on the shoulder just left the galaxy and you behind.
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Why is it that when the CDC says to throw out your romaine lettuce everyone takes it as gospel yet when the same agency tells you vaccines save lives they’re part of the Illuminati
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not being vaccinated lowers herd immunity... that's a new one.

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bump
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Herd immunity comes from infection.
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Germs can travel quickly through a community and make a lot of people sick. If enough people get sick, it can lead to an outbreak. But when enough people are vaccinated against a certain disease, the germs can’t travel as easily from person to person — and the entire community is less likely to get the disease.
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But as the “anti-vaxxer” movement appears on the national stage and documentaries like Vaxxed gain support from movie stars like Robert De Niro, the risks it poses to the health of the country are no longer hypothetical.

“The reduced number of children being vaccinated in the U.S. isn’t just a problem for those children,” said Author S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health. “It’s a problem for the country because it lowers herd immunity.”
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Simple fix: give us an option free from toxic chemicals, heavy metals and aborted babies. Until then, stfu.
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Vaccine herd effect

Vaccination ideally protects susceptible populations at high risk for complications of the infection. However, vaccines for these subgroups do not always provide sufficient effectiveness. The herd effect or herd immunity is an attractive way to extend vaccine benefits beyond the directly targeted population. It refers to the indirect protection of unvaccinated persons, whereby an increase in the prevalence of immunity by the vaccine prevents circulation of infectious agents in susceptible populations. The herd effect has had a major impact in the eradication of smallpox, has reduced transmission of pertussis, and protects against influenza and pneumococcal disease. A high uptake of vaccines is generally needed for success. In this paper we aim to provide an update review on the herd effect, focusing on the clinical benefit, by reviewing data for specific vaccines.

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"Herd immunity" is bs. It's like wearing a type of bullet proof vest that won't actually stop a bullet, but if everyone else wears one you're suddenly bullet proof.

You're immune or you're not. If you are, it shouldn't matter to you one bit if the person next to you hasn't been vaccinated. Their body, their choice. If you see other people as State property, then by all means, wrestle them to the ground and vaccinate them the way you'd brand cattle. Bear in mind the cattle don't have no say in whether they end up in an abbatoir when the State has no more use for them.
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Vaccine herd effect

Vaccination ideally protects susceptible populations at high risk for complications of the infection. However, vaccines for these subgroups do not always provide sufficient effectiveness. The herd effect or herd immunity is an attractive way to extend vaccine benefits beyond the directly targeted population. It refers to the indirect protection of unvaccinated persons, whereby an increase in the prevalence of immunity by the vaccine prevents circulation of infectious agents in susceptible populations. The herd effect has had a major impact in the eradication of smallpox, has reduced transmission of pertussis, and protects against influenza and pneumococcal disease. A high uptake of vaccines is generally needed for success. In this paper we aim to provide an update review on the herd effect, focusing on the clinical benefit, by reviewing data for specific vaccines.

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We know what herd immunity is, clown. Take your straw man arguments somewhere else.
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But as the “anti-vaxxer” movement appears on the national stage and documentaries like Vaxxed gain support from movie stars like Robert De Niro, the risks it poses to the health of the country are no longer hypothetical.

“The reduced number of children being vaccinated in the U.S. isn’t just a problem for those children,” said Author S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health. “It’s a problem for the country because it lowers herd immunity.”
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Simple fix: give us an option free from toxic chemicals, heavy metals and aborted babies. Until then, stfu.
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One of the biggest myths that antivaccinationists believe and like to use to stoke the fear of vaccines is the concept that they are full of “toxins.” The myth that mercury in the thimerosal preservative commonly used in vaccines in the U.S. until early 2002 was a major cause of autism is simply the most recent bogeyman used to try to argue that vaccines do more harm than good, as was the scare campaign engineered in response to Andrew Wakefield’s poor science claiming a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
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"Herd immunity" is bs. It's like wearing a type of bullet proof vest that won't actually stop a bullet, but if everyone else wears one you're suddenly bullet proof.

You're immune or you're not. If you are, it shouldn't matter to you one bit if the person next to you hasn't been vaccinated. Their body, their choice. If you see other people as State property, then by all means, wrestle them to the ground and vaccinate them the way you'd brand cattle. Bear in mind the cattle don't have no say in whether they end up in an abbatoir when the State has no more use for them.
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So some anto-vaxxers claim we need herd immunity while others do not.

People say “well what did people do before vaccines/antibiotics/pasteurisation?” as if that’s an argument for going natural. They died, Carol. A lot of people died.
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But as the “anti-vaxxer” movement appears on the national stage and documentaries like Vaxxed gain support from movie stars like Robert De Niro, the risks it poses to the health of the country are no longer hypothetical.

“The reduced number of children being vaccinated in the U.S. isn’t just a problem for those children,” said Author S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health. “It’s a problem for the country because it lowers herd immunity.”
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Simple fix: give us an option free from toxic chemicals, heavy metals and aborted babies. Until then, stfu.
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One of the biggest myths that antivaccinationists believe and like to use to stoke the fear of vaccines is the concept that they are full of “toxins.” The myth that mercury in the thimerosal preservative commonly used in vaccines in the U.S. until early 2002 was a major cause of autism is simply the most recent bogeyman used to try to argue that vaccines do more harm than good, as was the scare campaign engineered in response to Andrew Wakefield’s poor science claiming a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
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You busybodies just can't stand the thought of free choice. If people would rather risk it with the flu than risk it with thimerosal (and who knows what else), then they will. All you can do is stamp your feet and call them dumb and scared.

The real problem here is that the medical industry has lost our trust. It took a lot, but the industry managed to lose all trust. Work to regain the trust, and the business will follow.

Or you can take the jackbooted authoritarian approach, comrade.
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But as the “anti-vaxxer” movement appears on the national stage and documentaries like Vaxxed gain support from movie stars like Robert De Niro, the risks it poses to the health of the country are no longer hypothetical.

“The reduced number of children being vaccinated in the U.S. isn’t just a problem for those children,” said Author S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health. “It’s a problem for the country because it lowers herd immunity.”
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(((Olshansky))) I don't trust anything out of that tribes mouth.
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"Herd immunity" is bs. It's like wearing a type of bullet proof vest that won't actually stop a bullet, but if everyone else wears one you're suddenly bullet proof.

You're immune or you're not. If you are, it shouldn't matter to you one bit if the person next to you hasn't been vaccinated. Their body, their choice. If you see other people as State property, then by all means, wrestle them to the ground and vaccinate them the way you'd brand cattle. Bear in mind the cattle don't have no say in whether they end up in an abbatoir when the State has no more use for them.
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So some anto-vaxxers claim we need herd immunity while others do not.

People say “well what did people do before vaccines/antibiotics/pasteurisation?” as if that’s an argument for going natural. They died, Carol. A lot of people died.
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Yes and a lot of people lived. Otherwise you would not be here typing. Now we have a bunch of retards, because of their vaccinations. You can have my share of vaccinations. I'll pass.
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I thought this. Let's say you have a safe and effective vaccine. You have a vaxxer, and an anti vaxxer. So the vaxxer takes the safe and effective vaccine, along with anyone else who wants it. They won't get the disease. The anti vaxxers may or may not get the disease, but that's their business RIGHT?!?!?!?
If you have a vaccine that is NOT safe and effective, no one should take it, but if they choose to, that's their business, RIGHT?!?!?!
I see no reason for conflict here, such as the comments from some people willing to hold you down while you get a forced vaccine. Take the vaccine and shut your pie hole, or not.
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Well I took the Shingles vaccine and it paralized my entire left side for almost a year

so there is that. You can keep your vaccines
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Thank you Jake. I cannot even begin to reply to the pro-vax, brainwashed sheep. I have researched (literature) the dangers of vaccines for over 23 years, even spoken with professionals in the field including doctors, and am so sick and tired of the provaxxers wildly and ignorantly trying to shove their views down everyone's throats I could puke. And the kicker is...they do so with not one ounce of evidence to support why humans should be injected with green Simian monkey DNA, aborted fetus tissue/DNA, Bovine DNA, Chicken DNA etc., and the multitude of harmful chemicals including formaldehyde (yes, the fluid they fill corpses with) and many others too numerous to mention. If they want to take the jabs, then go right ahead and do so, be my guest, but stop trying to make the antivaxxers look like uneducated idiots when we are the ones who have actually done our research. Provaxxers blindly regurgitate information they have been told by TPTB.

And so sorry about your experience. Unfortunately, paralyzation occurs more often than people think with vaccines, along with excessively high temperatures which can lead to permanent brain damage - the horrific, inconsolable screaming that some babies do after getting jabbed is the bodies reaction to brain damage being inflicted by the chemicals in the vaccine creating the high temperature damaging the brain. But the provaxxers cannot even relate the devastating increase in disorders such as autism to their coveted vaccines.
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But as the “anti-vaxxer” movement appears on the national stage and documentaries like Vaxxed gain support from movie stars like Robert De Niro, the risks it poses to the health of the country are no longer hypothetical.

“The reduced number of children being vaccinated in the U.S. isn’t just a problem for those children,” said Author S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health. “It’s a problem for the country because it lowers herd immunity.”
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Simple fix: give us an option free from toxic chemicals, heavy metals and aborted babies. Until then, stfu.
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One of the biggest myths that antivaccinationists believe and like to use to stoke the fear of vaccines is the concept that they are full of “toxins.” The myth that mercury in the thimerosal preservative commonly used in vaccines in the U.S. until early 2002 was a major cause of autism is simply the most recent bogeyman used to try to argue that vaccines do more harm than good, as was the scare campaign engineered in response to Andrew Wakefield’s poor science claiming a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
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I see you still haven't bothered to read the study itself and it was posted to you. Yet you still sit here posting BS about it. Theres just one word for that and its stupid!

The scare campaign came yet again from the media just like always!
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But as the “anti-vaxxer” movement appears on the national stage and documentaries like Vaxxed gain support from movie stars like Robert De Niro, the risks it poses to the health of the country are no longer hypothetical.

“The reduced number of children being vaccinated in the U.S. isn’t just a problem for those children,” said Author S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health. “It’s a problem for the country because it lowers herd immunity.”
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I do not trust ANYTHING that is immune from lawsuits and long term studies or/and designed/produced by companies who have ties to eugenics, depopulation, and worse. So fuck vaccines. I have had only tetanus shots. My kids stay away from them and we are doing just fine. Who I see telling me I HAVE to take a vaccine or else makes me ask myself why is it so important that i take it? Why would a class of people who HATE the average joe and want us off this planet want so badly for us to inject something for our health. For the greater good....greater good for WHO?!
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If GOD wants you dead, he'll kill you dead.. your "vaccine" won't stop him.
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if red dit is a sign of our future generations and what they believe in, we are so screwed.

About every 5th thread is vaxx propaganda and how anti vaxx people are the devil. And it receives almost full support on that forum. Disgusting. I couldn't even continue to visit knowing these people are 3+#@(*$ing braindead.

we are so screwed. they didn't even question why every 5th thread was to hype up how great vaxxing is.
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"science" is still a faith based religion. you are trusting "experts" with "facts" to tell you about invisible things you can't see.

funny, innit?

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But as the “anti-vaxxer” movement appears on the national stage and documentaries like Vaxxed gain support from movie stars like Robert De Niro, the risks it poses to the health of the country are no longer hypothetical.

“The reduced number of children being vaccinated in the U.S. isn’t just a problem for those children,” said Author S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health. “It’s a problem for the country because it lowers herd immunity.”
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My body, my choice.
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For the greater good, it takes a village. It won't be long before you have to get them anyway, and I applaud that time.
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I don't HAVE to do anything. I can refuse and accept the consequences. You must be so weak.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Careful because you're currently on that path.
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"science" is still a faith based religion. you are trusting "experts" with "facts" to tell you about invisible things you can't see.

funny, innit?

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It is ironic that in the anti-vaccination community, the very people who are denying protection to their children by foregoing vaccination are healthy and alive today because they, and possibly their parents, were vaccinated
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The Polio vaccine from the 1960's-70's maimed nearly 100 million Americans and destroyed their lives with Hepatitis
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See, I knew something good would come of this topic.

I did not know that.

I will add that to my info on---vaccinations.

I have so much information about vaccines to destroy

any conversation for it---it's incredible.

Check this one out---

CHI-NAH does not vaccinate their children!

THAT ONE usually shuts them the hell up completely!

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But as the “anti-vaxxer” movement appears on the national stage and documentaries like Vaxxed gain support from movie stars like Robert De Niro, the risks it poses to the health of the country are no longer hypothetical.

“The reduced number of children being vaccinated in the U.S. isn’t just a problem for those children,” said Author S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health. “It’s a problem for the country because it lowers herd immunity.”
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My body, my choice.
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That only applies to abortions.

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Here's the bottom line with vaccinations. The whole system is based on TRUST. WHO DO YOU TRUST?

1. We don't know if these work....at all. And we don't know if the work for specific conditions.

2. Even if they DO work to some extent, they can also cause serious damage in some people. Look at the damage the Swine Flu vaccine in the 70s caused to those who incurred paralyzing Guillaume Barre Syndrome. I believe more died from the vaccine....than died from the flu.

3. We don't know what is in the vaccines or where they are made. Look at how we found out that most of our drugs, including antibiotics, are made in COMMUNIST CHINA. Why should we have any inherent faith even in the quality, or whether they are sabotaged?

4. Once the vaccine is in your blood stream, there is nothing you can do about it. A pill you can cut in half or stop. Other meds you can stop. But once a vaccine is in there, it's in there permanently and we don't know what it actually does, presently, or over time?

5. Aside from concerns about COMMUNIST CHINA, who trusts Bill Gates and the other producers of these vaccines, that they would produce a quality product that would not harm us? Routinely they produce drugs and then we see ads a few years later from lawyers saying "Were you harmed by such and such a drug?" that was widely advertised just a few years before. Even common products like Round Up or J&J baby powder have been found to cause cancer and death - why should we just blindly trust Corporate America with our health when they really just want to make money?

6. Why should we also trust the government officials who promote and run these programs when we see how grossly incompetent they are repeatedly? Look at how Gov. Cuomo killed THOUSANDS OF ELDERLY NURSING HOME RESIDENTS by putting infected people in their residences. What ordinary person with common sense would allow that?

7. And why should we trust health officials at all? Aside from the fact that many of these people are NOT EVEN MEDICAL DOCTORS like Tedros of WHO, many of them seem to be bizarre and unhealthy people like the Health Officer in PA, or Los Angeles, or Belgiuim. And they are frequently wrong about their models & practices. Look at how wrong Neil Ferguson of the Imperial College was with the COVID models! His models enabled the economic ruin of the world and in the meantime, he was violating quarantine so he could have an affair with a married lover! These people are frequently wrong and often not trustworthy.

8. There have been studies actually produced and religiously ignored that show that some common vaccines have actually had very bad effects such as promoting autism. The Italian government has demonstrated this. We also know that Bill Gates has a terrible history of vaccine harm caused to the 3rd world children of India and Africa and yet this is IGNORED by the MSM and medical establishment.

Vaccines are a big issue of trust and do we really TRUST all these people and systems to inject a substance into us that permanently becomes a part of us and alters our bodies in some way that we cannot control or even anticipate or understand? It removes all personal control from our health care when there are OTHER METHODS OF DEALING WITH DISEASE such as HCQ.


So even aside from pure civil rights concerns, there are MANY reasons we should not take vaccines!!!





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