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Understanding Anti Vaxxers And Their Opposition to Vaccines

 
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It is ironic that in the anti-vaccination community, the very people who are denying protection to their children by foregoing vaccination are healthy and alive today because they, and possibly their parents, were vaccinated
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The Polio vaccine from the 1960's-70's maimed nearly 100 million Americans and destroyed their lives with Hepatitis
 Quoting: Jake


See, I knew something good would come of this topic.

I did not know that.

I will add that to my info on---vaccinations.

I have so much information about vaccines to destroy

any conversation for it---it's incredible.

Check this one out---

CHI-NAH does not vaccinate their children!

THAT ONE usually shuts them the hell up completely!

chuckle
 Quoting: 1guynAz



There is also evidence that the polio vaccine from even earlier was infected with monkey virus cells that could cause cancer and that might be one big factor in the cancer epidemic exploding in the 80s and beyond. Look into the book "Dr. Mary's Monkey." Great book about behind the scenes vaxing info. Also, Dr. Mary, whose last name I don't recall, was involved with the CIA and Lee Harvey Oswald, oddly enough.
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Vaccines have risks
So
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"In Pakistan, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation (BMGF) and Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunizations (GAVI) were blamed on an outbreak of acute flaccid polio has begun to surface in the region and killed 10k Pakistani children who were inoculated.

"While in Pakistan, Gates and GAVI teamed up with the World Bank and UN Population Fund in the 1970s under the Task Force on Vaccines for Fertility Regulation. The Task Force, “…acts as a global coordinating body for anti-fertility vaccine R&D.” GAVI is heavily funded by the BMGF for the global vaccination projects.

"It was found out through an investigation, that GAVI was using an untested vaccine; giving this dangerous vaccine to Pakistani children shows the lack of empathy associated with these organizations.

"GAVI was blamed for the deaths of 10,000 children in Pakistan when they came in and administered polio vaccines that resulted in casualties."
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Bill Gates admits his CV vaccines will harm people. r/t 1:27

48,000 Children in India Paralysed by Bill Gates' Polio Vaccine
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CDC Admits 98 Million Americans Were Given Cancer Virus Via The Polio Shot
ALEXANDER LIGHTFEBRUARY 17, 2016
The CDC has admitted that between 1955–1963 over 98 million Americans received one or more doses of a polio shot which was contaminated with a cancer-causing virus called Simian vacuolating virus 40 (SV40).
The CDC quickly took down the page, along with Google, but the site was luckily cached and saved to symbolize this grand admission.
To further confirm this unbelievable admission, Assistant Professor of Pathology at Loyola University in Chicago Dr. Michele Carbone has been able to independently verify the presence of the SV40 virus in tissue and bone samples from patients who died during that era.
He found that 33% of the samples with osteosarcoma bone cancers, 40% of other bone cancers, and 60% of the mesothelioma’s lung cancers all contained this obscure virus.
[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com (secure)]
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Those of you who take your injections should not be worried about getting anything from a non vaxer, You're protected right? I mean where's the trust?

Let us take risk and not have an uncontrollable screaming kid we have to deal with the rest of our lives.

Enjoy your vaccine damage money and put your earmuffs on your child to avoid all the noise.
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On a personal level, my elderly mother and her friends would get the flu shot every year because they were brainwashed into it and frequently they would get sick - very sick - immediately after. My mother nearly died a couple of times until I could convince her NOT TO GET THE VACCINE ANYMORE.

My father in law got the flu shot and ended up getting some weird viral infection in his eye (yes, it was from the flu shot, some kind of side effect) that really aggravated his glaucoma and started him on a dementia slide down hill. It started with the flu vaccine.

I've seen how harmful this vaccine can be with the elderly SEVERAL TIMES, it's not a fluke. Maybe many people can take it, but many can not safely. This is why it should be an individual choice.
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Polio Vaccines Now The #1 Cause of Polio Paralysis
Posted on:
Tuesday, January 17th 2012 at 3:00 pm
Written By:
Sayer Ji, Founder
This article is copyrighted by GreenMedInfo LLC, 2018

The Polio Global Eradication Initiative (PGEI), founded in 1988 by the World Health Organization, Rotary International, UNICEF, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, holds up India as a prime example of its success at eradicating polio, stating on its website (Jan. 11 2012) that "India has made unprecedented progress against polio in the last two years and on 13 January, 2012, India will reach a major milestone - a 12-month period without any case of polio being recorded."
This report, however, is highly misleading, as an estimated 100-180 Indian children are diagnosed with vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP) each year. In fact, the clinical presentation of the disease, including paralysis, caused by VAPP is indistinguishable from that caused by wild polioviruses, making the PGEI's pronouncements all the more suspect.1
According to the Polio Global Eradication Initiative's own statistics2 there were 42 cases of wild-type polio (WPV) reported in India in 2010, indicating that vaccine-induced cases of polio paralysis (100-180 annually) outnumber wild-type cases by a factor of 3-4. Even if we put aside the important question of whether or not the PGEI is accurately differentiating between wild and vaccine-associated polio cases in their statistics, we still must ask ourselves: should not the real-world effects of immunization, both good and bad, be included in PGEI's measurement of success?
For the dozens of Indian children who develop vaccine-induced paralysis every year, the PGEI's recent declaration of India as nearing "polio free" status, is not only disingenuous, but could be considered an attempt to minimize their obvious liability in having transformed polio from a natural disease vector into a manmade (iatrogenic) one.
VAPP is, in fact, the predominant form of the disease in developed countries like the US since 1973.3 The problem of vaccine-induced polio paralysis was so severe that the The United States moved to the inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) in 2000, after the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommended altogether eliminating the live-virus oral polio vaccine (OPV), which is still used throughout the third world, despite the known risks.
Polio underscores the need for a change in the way we look at so-called "vaccine preventable" diseases as a whole. In most people with a healthy immune system, a poliovirus infection does not even generate symptoms. Only rarely does the infection produce minor symptoms, e.g. sore throat, fever, gastrointestinal disturbances, and influenza-like illness. In only 3% of infections does virus gain entry to the central nervous system, and then, in only 1-5 in 1000 cases does the infection progress to paralytic disease.
Due to the fact that polio spreads through the fecal-oral route (i.e. the virus is transmitted from the stool of an infected person to the mouth of another person through a contaminated object, e.g. utensil) focusing on hygiene, sanitation and proper nutrition (to support innate immunity) is a logical way to prevent transmission in the first place, as well as reducing morbidity associated with an infection when it does occur.
Instead, a large portion of the world's vaccines are given to the third world as "charity," when the underlying conditions of economic impoverishment, poor nutrition, chemical exposures, and socio-political unrest are never addressed. You simply can't vaccinate people out of these conditions, and as India's new epidemic of vaccine-induced polio cases clearly demonstrates, the "cure" may be far worse than the disease itself.
References
1 Cono J, Alexander LN (2002). "Chapter 10: Poliomyelitis" (PDF). Vaccine-Preventable Disease Surveillance Manual.
2 [link to www.polioeradication.org (secure)]
3Strebel PM, Sutter RW, Cochi SL, et al. Epidemiology of poliomyelitis in the United States one decade after the last reported case of indigenous wild virus-associated disease. Clin Infect Dis 1992;14:568-79.
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CDC Admits 98 Million Americans Were Given Cancer Virus Via The Polio Shot
ALEXANDER LIGHTFEBRUARY 17, 2016
The CDC has admitted that between 1955–1963 over 98 million Americans received one or more doses of a polio shot which was contaminated with a cancer-causing virus called Simian vacuolating virus 40 (SV40).
The CDC quickly took down the page, along with Google, but the site was luckily cached and saved to symbolize this grand admission.
To further confirm this unbelievable admission, Assistant Professor of Pathology at Loyola University in Chicago Dr. Michele Carbone has been able to independently verify the presence of the SV40 virus in tissue and bone samples from patients who died during that era.
He found that 33% of the samples with osteosarcoma bone cancers, 40% of other bone cancers, and 60% of the mesothelioma’s lung cancers all contained this obscure virus.
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This is the scandal I was referring to that is outlined in the book "Dr. Mary's Monkey". MASSIVE scandal hushed up.
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7 Reasons Anti-Vaxxers Are Total Idiots

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dailywire are commies..

provaxers are people who sold out and think they will get a big payoff if they take us down with them.
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I want one person to show me evidence not vaccinating lowers herd immunity.
In fact, getting a disease in a population increases herd immunity, so they say.
I have looked long and hard for documents showing anything of value about herd immunity. In fact, I'm not sure if it even exists.
However, If you believe in vaccines and you believe they protect you by all means get jabbed. Just don't try to tell me what to do. If you are protected I shouldn't represent a risk to you.
It is the same group of people always involved in trying to micro manage every aspect of our lives. It must be horrible to be such a control freak when no one listens to you anymore.
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i bet op can not rationalize how someone who is vaccinated is still a carrier and contagious.
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You pro vaxxers have to come to the understanding, that just like with antibiotics and aspirin when both of those came out, and both were over-used to the detriment and even death of patients....THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET.

There is no magic drug or shot that will protect you from disease. Disease is part of nature and mutates all the time. And you will die from SOMETHING SOME DAY.

The best defense against disease is ALWAYS.....HYGIENE AND SANITARY CONDITIONS. But that takes work, doesn't, and no one makes money from washing hands.
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Gardasil in India

One BMGF-funded [Gates] programme is currently the
subject of a court case in India, with accusations
that a vaccine “demonstration project” has caused
deaths and illnesses.252

Beginning in 2009, some
23,500 girls aged 9-15 were administered with
vaccines to prevent cervical cancer in Khammam
district of Andhra Pradesh and Vadodara district
of Gujarat. The vaccines were Gardasil and
Cervarix, the former manufactured and donated
by Merck, the latter by GlaxoSmithKline, and were
administered under the supervision of state health
officials.

The NGO implementing the project was
the US-based PATH (Program for Appropriate
Technology in Health), which receives numerous
grants from the BMGF [Gates] (for more detail see p. 21). Its
purpose in conducting the trials was to generate
evidence to support the inclusion of the vaccines in
India’s national immunisation programme.253

Several months after the vaccines were administered,
many girls started falling ill and by 2010 five of them
died in Andhra Pradesh and two died in Gujarat.254

Petitioners who are now challenging these two trials
at the Indian Supreme Court claim that at least
1,200 girls in the two states have suffered from serious
side effects or have developed auto-immune
disorders and who need continuing medical
treatment.255
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It is ironic that in the anti-vaccination community, the very people who are denying protection to their children by foregoing vaccination are healthy and alive today because they, and possibly their parents, were vaccinated
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69933813


The Polio vaccine from the 1960's-70's maimed nearly 100 million Americans and destroyed their lives with Hepatitis
 Quoting: Jake


See, I knew something good would come of this topic.

I did not know that.

I will add that to my info on---vaccinations.

I have so much information about vaccines to destroy

any conversation for it---it's incredible.

Check this one out---

CHI-NAH does not vaccinate their children!

THAT ONE usually shuts them the hell up completely!

chuckle
 Quoting: 1guynAz


There is no profit for them in china to vaxx. Obviousally they don't care about their people...but the peoples republic isn't going to spend money out of their own pockets for the harm vaxxing does long term to people. They have much better returns on their money.

or were you trying to insinuate that china is bad and them not vaxxing their population makes vaxxing good?

That is weak...really really weak...you can do better than that
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Mon 11:51 am +00:00, 18 May 2020 5
posted by Weaver
Posted by Editor, cairnsnews

Forced vaccinations now can be legally stopped-no quality control for 32 years

Case 1:18-cv-03215-JMF Document 18 Filed 07/09/18

Vaccine injury lawyer Robert F. Kennedy Jr.,& Del Bigtree, producer of the suppressed anti-vaccine documentary, Vaxxed and the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) are credited with this victory. They demanded the relevant government documents proving that all federally approved vaccines had been tested for quality over the past 32 years — and there were none.

Here are the huge legal and practical implications in this legal victory for the American people:

o This means that the US Department of Health and Human Services and all vaccine makers have been lying to the American people for over 30 years about the effectiveness and safety of vaccines; this may
ultimately mean that continuing the existence — at least in their current form — of five US “healthcare” agencies are now in doubt: the CDC, the FDA, the IOM, the NIH and the “Health” part of DHHS itself;
this may also threaten the existence of state medical boards and exclusive medical guilds like the AMA:

o This means that vaccine makers have been fraudulently exempt from what all other pharmaceutical drug makers have been forced to do concerning biannual recertification for quality and effectiveness — meaning that their vaccines have never been tested for quality and have had no proven safety or effectiveness for over 30 years;

o This case can now be legally cited by all parents fraudulently mandated by any government/organizational regulation/requirements that they must vaccinate their children for school or any other activity to stop
the forced vaccination of their children;

o This case can now be legally cited by all employees being mandated by their employers to be vaccinated in order to retain their jobs;

o This case can now be legally cited by all those who seek compensation for vaccine injury, making it likely that the pharmaceutical vaccine industry can in the near future be legally bankrupted out of existence, like Bayer-Monsanto after the landmark legal victory won by the dying landscaper in San Francisco several weeks ago, as well as their stock value plummeting precipitously;

o The future of allopathic medicine in its current form is now in doubt, as well as that of the global pharmaceutical cartel, since almost all of the drugs allopathic practitioners prescribe come from pharmaceutical corporations which have also committed vaccine fraud and injury;

o The existence of the deep-state corporate mainstream news media will now also be further endangered, since 70% of their income stream comes from the global pharmaceutical cartel, which in America has been
responsible for 750,000-1 million human sacrifices per year for at least the past half-century;

o Autism rates will now likely plummet, freeing the American people from another deep state-engineered debility, and providing further evidence of mass vaccination-caused autism;

o All government officials who have passed laws legalizing vaccine fraud at the state, national, or international level, or otherwise aided and abetted this vaccine fraud can now be charged with vaccine fraud, criminal malfeasance and in some cases, war crimes under the Nuremberg Code.


o This means that the US Department of Health and Human Services and all vaccine makers have been lying to the American people for over 30 years about the effectiveness and safety of vaccines; this may
ultimately mean that continuing the existence — at least in their current form — of five US “healthcare” agencies are now in doubt: the CDC, the FDA, the IOM, the NIH and the “Health” part of DHHS itself;
this may also threaten the existence of state medical boards and exclusive medical guilds like the AMA:
o This means that vaccine makers have been fraudulently exempt from what all other pharmaceutical drug makers have been forced to do concerning biannual recertification for quality and effectiveness — meaning that their vaccines have never been tested for quality and have had no proven safety or effectiveness for over 30 years;
o This case can now be legally cited by all parents fraudulently mandated by any government/organizational regulation/requirements that they must vaccinate their children for school or any other activity to stop
the forced vaccination of their children;
o This case can now be legally cited by all employees being mandated by their employers to be vaccinated in order to retain their jobs;
o This case can now be legally cited by all those who seek compensation for vaccine injury, making it likely that the pharmaceutical vaccine industry can in the near future be legally bankrupted out of existence, like Bayer-Monsanto after the landmark legal victory won by the dying landscaper in San Francisco several weeks ago, as well as their stock value plummeting precipitously;
o The future of allopathic medicine in its current form is now in doubt, as well as that of the global pharmaceutical cartel, since almost all of the drugs allopathic practitioners prescribe come from pharmaceutical corporations which have also committed vaccine fraud and injury;
o The existence of the deep-state corporate mainstream news media will now also be further endangered, since 70% of their income stream comes from the global pharmaceutical cartel, which in America has been
responsible for 750,000-1 million human sacrifices per year for at least the past half-century;
o Autism rates will now likely plummet, freeing the American people from another deep state-engineered debility, and providing further evidence of mass vaccination-caused autism;
o All government officials who have passed laws legalizing vaccine fraud at the state, national, or international level, or otherwise aided and abetted this vaccine fraud can now be charged with vaccine fraud, criminal malfeasance and in some cases, war crimes under the Nuremberg Code.
-contributed
This letter from Dawn Bell, an American health professional, warns that vaccines are not safe and become ineffective after 10 years. She says her daughter was injured by vaccination:
In the recent mumps outbreak, 100% of the mumps cases were college students, who were ALL 100% vaccinated. 90% (9 out of 10) people who died from last years flu epidemic had received the flu shot.
Herd immunity can only be achieved when 85% of the population is immune to a disease. Vaccines are only good for about 10 years, at absolute max 20 years, so most people over the age of 20 are not immune any longer. So now you have created a situation of a “false” immunity.
Those who get the chicken pox are immune for life, those who get the vax are not. I do believe, maybe to your surprise that vaccines can and have saved lives, however, think about when MD’s we’re giving out antibiotics like popcorn at the movies, it started having a bad effect on our immune systems and gut. It’s probable to think that the same thing might start happen with the overuse of vaccines.
For really deadly diseases, hey I’m all for it, but they started making so much money that you all of a sudden had to start getting vaccines for everything, even the everyday childhood diseases and for stuff like Hep B at 1 day old, really? The rise in autism and other sensory diseases has been mind-boggling, as well as childhood autoimmune disorders.
32 people get sick from ecoli and FDA tells everyone to stop buying romaine lettuce, but thousands report issues with vaccines and it’s pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Then everyone is surprised when people get upset and start asking questions.
I’m an Occupational Therapist and was all in with the vax thing, until I watched my daughter lose Speech ability directly following a vaccine. I was one telling everyone it was a coincidence until I saw it happen with my own eyes to my own kid. They have NEVER done safety studies in these vaccines have NEVER been studied being given all at once as they do.
It’s common sense that all of these vaccines given to a child with a developing immune system and neuro system might have some issues. It’s the lying about it that really has everyone worried though. When they say safety studies have been done when no one can find them, then Kennedy offers $$ for anyone who show they have been done. Of course no one could produce them so hence this lawsuit and of course, they haven’t. My OBGYN told me the flu shot was studied and proven safe during pregnancy.
So I go to work, as a nurse friend for the flu vax insert and guess what? It clearly stated it had not been studied in children or pregnant woman and if given to pregnant woman you should call and add them to a registry. Furthermore, on the front of the box, it stated to NOT give to kids under 5! I could keep going, but I’ll end with, have you watched the CDC video approving the Hep vax?
If not, you should because it’s extremely interesting! First, they give to 1-day old babies and it’s never been approved for those under 18. When asked if it was safe to give with other vaccines they said they didn’t know but we’re making the assumption it was generally safe like other vaccines. Then when asked about the “new” mutated gene thing they said the same thing, “we’re making the assumption that’s it’s safe like other vaccines.”
They were then asked about the heart and autoimmune markers seen in their internal study and they acknowledged that they saw the markers and were going to monitor it and make determination Dec 2020 whether not there was a problem, and in the mean time it’s being given to day old babies. So yes, there are concerns that need to be addressed about the safety of vaccines and I’m thrilled that it’s finally being addressed!!!
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I thought this. Let's say you have a safe and effective vaccine. You have a vaxxer, and an anti vaxxer. So the vaxxer takes the safe and effective vaccine, along with anyone else who wants it. They won't get the disease. The anti vaxxers may or may not get the disease, but that's their business RIGHT?!?!?!?
If you have a vaccine that is NOT safe and effective, no one should take it, but if they choose to, that's their business, RIGHT?!?!?!
I see no reason for conflict here, such as the comments from some people willing to hold you down while you get a forced vaccine. Take the vaccine and shut your pie hole, or not.
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Could not agree more. ^^^

Impossible to care less personally, if vaccines
work or not or are toxic or not.

That is not the point.

But the blessed little minds of the "left" just
cannot seem to zoom out enough to grasp the
argument.

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Everyone understands the theory of vaccinations, their positive impact on society when they were introduced and what good they truly could do if in the right, trustworthy, hands.

We aren’t in those times any longer and the vaccines are not in the those hands. No one trusts what’s in them, from the Bill Gates TED talk to the Italian analysis finding fetal tissue, junk DNA and a complete human genome.

The suspiciousness of this whole manufactured COVID pandemic leading to a worldwide vaccine is a bridge too far.
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Here's the bottom line with vaccinations. The whole system is based on TRUST. WHO DO YOU TRUST?

1. We don't know if these work....at all. And we don't know if the work for specific conditions.

2. Even if they DO work to some extent, they can also cause serious damage in some people. Look at the damage the Swine Flu vaccine in the 70s caused to those who incurred paralyzing Guillaume Barre Syndrome. I believe more died from the vaccine....than died from the flu.

3. We don't know what is in the vaccines or where they are made. Look at how we found out that most of our drugs, including antibiotics, are made in COMMUNIST CHINA. Why should we have any inherent faith even in the quality, or whether they are sabotaged?

4. Once the vaccine is in your blood stream, there is nothing you can do about it. A pill you can cut in half or stop. Other meds you can stop. But once a vaccine is in there, it's in there permanently and we don't know what it actually does, presently, or over time?

5. Aside from concerns about COMMUNIST CHINA, who trusts Bill Gates and the other producers of these vaccines, that they would produce a quality product that would not harm us? Routinely they produce drugs and then we see ads a few years later from lawyers saying "Were you harmed by such and such a drug?" that was widely advertised just a few years before. Even common products like Round Up or J&J baby powder have been found to cause cancer and death - why should we just blindly trust Corporate America with our health when they really just want to make money?

6. Why should we also trust the government officials who promote and run these programs when we see how grossly incompetent they are repeatedly? Look at how Gov. Cuomo killed THOUSANDS OF ELDERLY NURSING HOME RESIDENTS by putting infected people in their residences. What ordinary person with common sense would allow that?

7. And why should we trust health officials at all? Aside from the fact that many of these people are NOT EVEN MEDICAL DOCTORS like Tedros of WHO, many of them seem to be bizarre and unhealthy people like the Health Officer in PA, or Los Angeles, or Belgiuim. And they are frequently wrong about their models & practices. Look at how wrong Neil Ferguson of the Imperial College was with the COVID models! His models enabled the economic ruin of the world and in the meantime, he was violating quarantine so he could have an affair with a married lover! These people are frequently wrong and often not trustworthy.

8. There have been studies actually produced and religiously ignored that show that some common vaccines have actually had very bad effects such as promoting autism. The Italian government has demonstrated this. We also know that Bill Gates has a terrible history of vaccine harm caused to the 3rd world children of India and Africa and yet this is IGNORED by the MSM and medical establishment.

Vaccines are a big issue of trust and do we really TRUST all these people and systems to inject a substance into us that permanently becomes a part of us and alters our bodies in some way that we cannot control or even anticipate or understand? It removes all personal control from our health care when there are OTHER METHODS OF DEALING WITH DISEASE such as HCQ.


So even aside from pure civil rights concerns, there are MANY reasons we should not take vaccines!!!
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spock Your logic is outstanding!!!!!

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"science" is still a faith based religion. you are trusting "experts" with "facts" to tell you about invisible things you can't see.

funny, innit?

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So incredibly well said, thank you!
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Everyone understands the theory of vaccinations, their positive impact on society when they were introduced and what good they truly could do if in the right, trustworthy, hands.

We aren’t in those times any longer and the vaccines are not in the those hands. No one trusts what’s in them, from the Bill Gates TED talk to the Italian analysis finding fetal tissue, junk DNA and a complete human genome.

The suspiciousness of this whole manufactured COVID pandemic leading to a worldwide vaccine is a bridge too far.
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exactly
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Here's the bottom line with vaccinations. The whole system is based on TRUST. WHO DO YOU TRUST?

1. We don't know if these work....at all. And we don't know if the work for specific conditions.

2. Even if they DO work to some extent, they can also cause serious damage in some people. Look at the damage the Swine Flu vaccine in the 70s caused to those who incurred paralyzing Guillaume Barre Syndrome. I believe more died from the vaccine....than died from the flu.

3. We don't know what is in the vaccines or where they are made. Look at how we found out that most of our drugs, including antibiotics, are made in COMMUNIST CHINA. Why should we have any inherent faith even in the quality, or whether they are sabotaged?

4. Once the vaccine is in your blood stream, there is nothing you can do about it. A pill you can cut in half or stop. Other meds you can stop. But once a vaccine is in there, it's in there permanently and we don't know what it actually does, presently, or over time?

5. Aside from concerns about COMMUNIST CHINA, who trusts Bill Gates and the other producers of these vaccines, that they would produce a quality product that would not harm us? Routinely they produce drugs and then we see ads a few years later from lawyers saying "Were you harmed by such and such a drug?" that was widely advertised just a few years before. Even common products like Round Up or J&J baby powder have been found to cause cancer and death - why should we just blindly trust Corporate America with our health when they really just want to make money?

6. Why should we also trust the government officials who promote and run these programs when we see how grossly incompetent they are repeatedly? Look at how Gov. Cuomo killed THOUSANDS OF ELDERLY NURSING HOME RESIDENTS by putting infected people in their residences. What ordinary person with common sense would allow that?

7. And why should we trust health officials at all? Aside from the fact that many of these people are NOT EVEN MEDICAL DOCTORS like Tedros of WHO, many of them seem to be bizarre and unhealthy people like the Health Officer in PA, or Los Angeles, or Belgiuim. And they are frequently wrong about their models & practices. Look at how wrong Neil Ferguson of the Imperial College was with the COVID models! His models enabled the economic ruin of the world and in the meantime, he was violating quarantine so he could have an affair with a married lover! These people are frequently wrong and often not trustworthy.

8. There have been studies actually produced and religiously ignored that show that some common vaccines have actually had very bad effects such as promoting autism. The Italian government has demonstrated this. We also know that Bill Gates has a terrible history of vaccine harm caused to the 3rd world children of India and Africa and yet this is IGNORED by the MSM and medical establishment.

Vaccines are a big issue of trust and do we really TRUST all these people and systems to inject a substance into us that permanently becomes a part of us and alters our bodies in some way that we cannot control or even anticipate or understand? It removes all personal control from our health care when there are OTHER METHODS OF DEALING WITH DISEASE such as HCQ.


So even aside from pure civil rights concerns, there are MANY reasons we should not take vaccines!!!
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spock Your logic is outstanding!!!!!

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Aw shucks, just doing my duty as a citizen :) Thank you!

This is such an important topic in many ways and there really is no reasonable position FOR vaccines. It's a lazy, non-scientific way of thinking....of believing there's a magic bullet that will save you from disease and it just does not exist and never did. Not with aspirin, not with antibiotics, not with vaccines.....and not with CHIPS either.
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It is ironic that in the anti-vaccination community, the very people who are denying protection to their children by foregoing vaccination are healthy and alive today because they, and possibly their parents, were vaccinated
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The Polio vaccine from the 1960's-70's maimed nearly 100 million Americans and destroyed their lives with Hepatitis
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See, I knew something good would come of this topic.

I did not know that.

I will add that to my info on---vaccinations.

I have so much information about vaccines to destroy

any conversation for it---it's incredible.

Check this one out---

CHI-NAH does not vaccinate their children!

THAT ONE usually shuts them the hell up completely!

chuckle
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There is no profit for them in china to vaxx. Obviousally they don't care about their people...but the peoples republic isn't going to spend money out of their own pockets for the harm vaxxing does long term to people. They have much better returns on their money.

or were you trying to insinuate that china is bad and them not vaxxing their population makes vaxxing good?

That is weak...really really weak...you can do better than that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


Instead of admonishing me, go look it up as it was

presented here on MANY OCCASIONS.

The assessment is they know they are not needed.

And as much as I hate the leadership, the people are people

and I think they still love their children.

Hence---no vaccinations!

Except for the sheep of the west...

Look it up!
Everyone wants war but the people that fight them.
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"science" is still a faith based religion. you are trusting "experts" with "facts" to tell you about invisible things you can't see.

funny, innit?

pope
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So incredibly well said, thank you!
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AKA vIdiots

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But as the “anti-vaxxer” movement appears on the national stage and documentaries like Vaxxed gain support from movie stars like Robert De Niro, the risks it poses to the health of the country are no longer hypothetical.

“The reduced number of children being vaccinated in the U.S. isn’t just a problem for those children,” said Author S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health. “It’s a problem for the country because it lowers herd immunity.”
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Bill Gates calls the vaccine he wants “The Final Solution.”

Who’s the iDiot now?
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Where’d lonely op go
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We should do a study. Normal people getting the vaccine vs nutter anti-vaxxers





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