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The Bible states Jesus is the Creator of all and that he is Alpha and Omega

 
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The Bible states Jesus is the Creator of all and that he is Alpha and Omega
Yet in Revelation it states both God Almighty and the Lamb will have a throne in Heaven.

It also says both God Almighty and the Lamb will walk amongst the people, signifying BOTH have bodies.

The point is, if Jesus is the Creator, what is The Almighty's role in creation? What does He do? The Word states Jesus will separate the goats from the sheep.


It does say that he who is seated on the throne says "Behold I make all things new!".

Is this Jesus speaking or God Almighty?

I just always thought the Almighty was the Creator, but the Bible clearly says Jesus created all and everything is for him.
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Revelation 1:1

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him


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Revelation 1:1

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him


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Doesn't address any of my questions...
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Revelation 1:1

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him


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Doesn't address any of my questions...
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Only God is the Alpha and Omega, no one else.
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“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Revelation 22

Jesus obviously speaking about his return.

Its very common in Christianity that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega.
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Yet in Revelation it states both God Almighty and the Lamb will have a throne in Heaven.

It also says both God Almighty and the Lamb will walk amongst the people, signifying BOTH have bodies.

The point is, if Jesus is the Creator, what is The Almighty's role in creation? What does He do? The Word states Jesus will separate the goats from the sheep.


It does say that he who is seated on the throne says "Behold I make all things new!".

Is this Jesus speaking or God Almighty?

I just always thought the Almighty was the Creator, but the Bible clearly says Jesus created all and everything is for him.
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"Through" Him all things were made, Its the mystery of the Trinity. If we make it to heaven, which isn't likely, cause the road is narrow and few will enter, we will spend eternity pondering the mystery of the Trinity. Don't kill yourself trying to figure it out cause you cant and will never. The Trinity is God and beyond our comprehension. Accept it and move on.
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“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Revelation 22

Jesus obviously speaking about his return.

Its very common in Christianity that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega.
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Again, the whole Revelation comes from God, not from Jesus:


Revelation 1:1
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him
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This explains it a bit I guess.

I really like gotquestions.org

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Yet in Revelation it states both God Almighty and the Lamb will have a throne in Heaven.

It also says both God Almighty and the Lamb will walk amongst the people, signifying BOTH have bodies.

The point is, if Jesus is the Creator, what is The Almighty's role in creation? What does He do? The Word states Jesus will separate the goats from the sheep.


It does say that he who is seated on the throne says "Behold I make all things new!".

Is this Jesus speaking or God Almighty?

I just always thought the Almighty was the Creator, but the Bible clearly says Jesus created all and everything is for him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77625636


"Through" Him all things were made, Its the mystery of the Trinity. If we make it to heaven, which isn't likely, cause the road is narrow and few will enter, we will spend eternity pondering the mystery of the Trinity. Don't kill yourself trying to figure it out cause you cant and will never. The Trinity is God and beyond our comprehension. Accept it and move on.
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The Revelation, or Apocalypse of Jesus Chriat literally means the unveiling of Jesus Christ.

God says nothing will remain hidden but all things will be revealed.

Also, yes the road is narrow, so we each should work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

I know I'm going to Paradise. Jesus has covered my sins, I'm forgiven, and have repented of my sin.

I walk with God and have my hands on the plowshare and do not look back.

Thanks for your input though.
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Yet in Revelation it states both God Almighty and the Lamb will have a throne in Heaven.

It also says both God Almighty and the Lamb will walk amongst the people, signifying BOTH have bodies.

The point is, if Jesus is the Creator, what is The Almighty's role in creation? What does He do? The Word states Jesus will separate the goats from the sheep.


It does say that he who is seated on the throne says "Behold I make all things new!".

Is this Jesus speaking or God Almighty?

I just always thought the Almighty was the Creator, but the Bible clearly says Jesus created all and everything is for him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77625636


"Through" Him all things were made, Its the mystery of the Trinity. If we make it to heaven, which isn't likely, cause the road is narrow and few will enter, we will spend eternity pondering the mystery of the Trinity. Don't kill yourself trying to figure it out cause you cant and will never. The Trinity is God and beyond our comprehension. Accept it and move on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26470699


The Revelation, or Apocalypse of Jesus Chriat literally means the unveiling of Jesus Christ.

God says nothing will remain hidden but all things will be revealed.

Also, yes the road is narrow, so we each should work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

I know I'm going to Paradise. Jesus has covered my sins, I'm forgiven, and have repented of my sin.

I walk with God and have my hands on the plowshare and do not look back.

Thanks for your input though.
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I missed that part in the bible where you can say I know im saved and get to skip your judgement.. must be nice. You don't sound like you are working out your salvation with fear and trembling to me.. Sounds like you have judged yourself, considered yourself worthy of heaven and good to go...
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Yet in Revelation it states both God Almighty and the Lamb will have a throne in Heaven.

It also says both God Almighty and the Lamb will walk amongst the people, signifying BOTH have bodies.

The point is, if Jesus is the Creator, what is The Almighty's role in creation? What does He do? The Word states Jesus will separate the goats from the sheep.


It does say that he who is seated on the throne says "Behold I make all things new!".

Is this Jesus speaking or God Almighty?

I just always thought the Almighty was the Creator, but the Bible clearly says Jesus created all and everything is for him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77625636


"Through" Him all things were made, Its the mystery of the Trinity. If we make it to heaven, which isn't likely, cause the road is narrow and few will enter, we will spend eternity pondering the mystery of the Trinity. Don't kill yourself trying to figure it out cause you cant and will never. The Trinity is God and beyond our comprehension. Accept it and move on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26470699


The Revelation, or Apocalypse of Jesus Chriat literally means the unveiling of Jesus Christ.

God says nothing will remain hidden but all things will be revealed.

Also, yes the road is narrow, so we each should work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

I know I'm going to Paradise. Jesus has covered my sins, I'm forgiven, and have repented of my sin.

I walk with God and have my hands on the plowshare and do not look back.

Thanks for your input though.
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I missed that part in the bible where you can say I know im saved and get to skip your judgement.. must be nice. You don't sound like you are working out your salvation with fear and trembling to me.. Sounds like you have judged yourself, considered yourself worthy of heaven and good to go...
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The Bible does say let each judge their own actions. Im not judging myself based on what I have done, but what Jesus has done and how that has transformed my life.

And yes, its liberating knowing I'm going to Heaven. I praise God and Jesus every day for delivering me from the slavery I was caught up in for so many years.

Don't be my accuser, please.

I hope to see you there some day, peace and love to ya.
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Re: The Bible states Jesus is the Creator of all and that he is Alpha and Omega
When a man with wife and kids is at work, is he husband, father, or employee?

When this same man is teaching his son how to catch a ball, is he husband, father, or employee?

When this same man is lying in the bed with his wife, is he husband, father, or employee?

Is he always the same entity?

Does he always complete the duties of the same office, or does that office change with the circumstances?
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The Bible says a lot of things, but there’s no reason to think that any of it is actually true.
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The Bible says a lot of things, but there’s no reason to think that any of it is actually true.
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You must not be very observant.
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All of mans wisdom is foolishness to God. One day he will give us all the answers. For now we must keep our eye on Jesus.
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All of mans wisdom is foolishness to God. One day he will give us all the answers. For now we must keep our eye on Jesus.
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Very true!
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Revelation 1:1

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him


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Rev 1:8

I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Adonai, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM the First and the Last:

18
I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Rev 22:12

And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as His work shall be.

Rev 22:13
I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, The First and the Last.


Rev 22:20

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Adonai YESHUA.

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The good thing about believing in imaginary beings is that you can give it whatever characteristics you like, and can never be proven wrong. Then you all can debate each other as to what imaginary characteristic you think your entity has, and why the imaginary characteristic the other guy is posting is wrong. Hilarity ensues
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[link to www.jesus-is-lord.com]
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Revelation 1:1

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him


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Rev 1:8

I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Adonai, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM the First and the Last:

18
I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Rev 22:12

And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as His work shall be.

Rev 22:13
I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, The First and the Last.


Rev 22:20

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Adonai YESHUA.
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1The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[link to biblehub.com (secure)]

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Tilt your head to the left.

[link to apod.nasa.gov (secure)]

See a lamb with his head to the left.

Meek and Mild looking Right?

that's how the Lamb created our world, because it is Andromeda, and Our World is The milky way as Earth, and all it's heavens are it's satellite galaxies.

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Revelation 1:1

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him


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Rev 1:8

I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Adonai, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM the First and the Last:

18
I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Rev 22:12

And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as His work shall be.

Rev 22:13
I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, The First and the Last.


Rev 22:20

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Adonai YESHUA.
 Quoting: 232



1The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[link to biblehub.com (secure)]

iamwith
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[link to www.jesus-is-lord.com]

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1The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[link to biblehub.com (secure)]

Cannot you read, people?
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Revelation 1:1

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him


iamwith
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Rev 1:8

I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Adonai, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM the First and the Last:

18
I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Rev 22:12

And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as His work shall be.

Rev 22:13
I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, The First and the Last.


Rev 22:20

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Adonai YESHUA.
 Quoting: 232



1The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[link to biblehub.com (secure)]

iamwith
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[link to www.jesus-is-lord.com]

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Link to [link to www.godisimaginary.com (secure)]
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Revelation 1:1

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him


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Rev 1:8

I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Adonai, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM the First and the Last:

18
I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Rev 22:12

And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as His work shall be.

Rev 22:13
I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, The First and the Last.


Rev 22:20

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Adonai YESHUA.
 Quoting: 232



1The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[link to biblehub.com (secure)]

iamwith
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YHWH created all things by Himself, He was Alone

Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith YHWH, thy Redeemer, and He that formed thee from the womb, I am YHWH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by Myself;


YESHUA

John 1:3
All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

6
For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:


Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins John 8:24
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Revelation 1:1

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Almighty God is Jesus’ Father. Jesus said he does nothing on his own. Only with God’s help.

Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. John 5:19
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John 10:30-33
30 I and my Father are one.
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The good thing about believing in imaginary beings is that you can give it whatever characteristics you like, and can never be proven wrong. Then you all can debate each other as to what imaginary characteristic you think your entity has, and why the imaginary characteristic the other guy is posting is wrong. Hilarity ensues
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We need to have real spiritual experiences so that we can aboslutely know the truth. Not just from a book. Ofcourse even after having spiritual experiences one cannot provide proof but that doesnt matter to the one that has the spiritual experiences.

If we care about life enough we will try our best to know the truth. Because Heaven and Hell are a big deal.
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John 10:30-33
30 I and my Father are one.
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Doing the Father´s will, not being instead of God. iamwith
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Yet in Revelation it states both God Almighty and the Lamb will have a throne in Heaven.

It also says both God Almighty and the Lamb will walk amongst the people, signifying BOTH have bodies.

The point is, if Jesus is the Creator, what is The Almighty's role in creation? What does He do? The Word states Jesus will separate the goats from the sheep.


It does say that he who is seated on the throne says "Behold I make all things new!".

Is this Jesus speaking or God Almighty?

I just always thought the Almighty was the Creator, but the Bible clearly says Jesus created all and everything is for him.
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"Through" Him all things were made, Its the mystery of the Trinity. If we make it to heaven, which isn't likely, cause the road is narrow and few will enter, we will spend eternity pondering the mystery of the Trinity. Don't kill yourself trying to figure it out cause you cant and will never. The Trinity is God and beyond our comprehension. Accept it and move on.
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There is no trinity. It is from pagan origins. There is Almighty God and Jesus who is God’s only begotten son which means Jesus was created. Holy Spirit is not a person but a force.
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John 10:30-33
30 I and my Father are one.
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Doing the Father´s will, not being instead of God. iamwith
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Jesus and Father are one. You call Bible stupid?





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