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I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)

 
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I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
In 1997 Hong Kong was in essence abandoned by the UK government and China annexed it.

The protests began when HK added amendments to its law that allows for the extradition of the accused in HK to China. For comparison the US constitution says that extradition can only occur to bring the accused back to the town in which the alleged crime was committed. In other words, people committing crimes in HK extradited to China will face harsher punishment.

HK seems to be given under agreement a right to govern itself until 2047, even though it is not a sovereign nation. Because it was under UK control for some 150 years it has its own government and passport and laws and all that jazz even though it is owned and represented by China.

Ok, so because of a dirty amendment the people rose up in protest. They went wrong when they went active-aggressive against the police instead of keeping it non violent. The HKers seem to have decided to make it the time to force the HK government (owned by and in agreement with China on limited automation - not sovereignty) to declare itself a sovereign state (even though it has no army).

Apparently to me, trying to weigh the facts to find truth, the HKers are apparently wrong in their violent protesting. I would liken the protesters to the antifa of the US. It went from peaceful protest to violent uprising and sedition. China decided to send in it's army (liken to US national guard) to reestablish order in the area. The HKers are finding the changes hard and reasonably so, no one wants to go from having freedoms to being a slave.

My final thoughts are that the US citizens are being manipulated to think the HKers are the innocent and good ones to instigate hatred and bloodlust towards China.

A solution to fix the amendment would be that if the accused were found guilty in HK, then they could be extradited to China for sentencing. I believe that would solve the issue that they all could agree on.

Lessons for history, don't do crimes, the meek shall inherit the earth.
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fuck china
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Re: I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
Somehow American media missed the part in 1997 when a senior chinese general threatened to nuke los angeles. They have been on my shit list ever since.
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Re: I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
There's nothing really wrong in China's approach to dealing with the Hong Kong protesters the way I see it.

China's parliament approves Hong Kong national security Bill
[link to www.channelnewsasia.com (secure)]
The National People's Congress of more than 2,800 delegates voted in favour of the proposal to draft the law, which would punish secession, subversion of state power, terrorism and acts that endanger national security.

What's wrong with that?


Hong Kong is China, and has no army, they can't reasonable declare secession, especially without breaking their treaty to be self-governing under China until 2047.

I'm not saying communist China is better than socialist Hong Kong, I prefer freedom all around, but I also cannot condone violence to change the course of history or the course of government. Violence begets violence and only knowledge and understanding can truly change China.

What did the Japanese emperor realize when 2 atomic bombs were dropped on his countrymen? Probably world dominance wasn't needed afterall.
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Somehow American media missed the part in 1997 when a senior chinese general threatened to nuke los angeles. They have been on my shit list ever since.
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Under what conditions was the threat made? Did he see a terrible Hollywood movie?
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1 star for commie bullshit.
Fuck the fish heads.
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Yes... you are wrong
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Yes... you are wrong
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Where how? I'm looking for objective objections not subjective ones.
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America will crush Commie skulls.


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No they’re not like antifa, who are pro-communism. They have hardly been violent either.
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Re: I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
Somehow American media missed the part in 1997 when a senior chinese general threatened to nuke los angeles. They have been on my shit list ever since.
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Under what conditions was the threat made? Did he see a terrible Hollywood movie?
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Ask him you fucking idiot.
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No they’re not like antifa, who are pro-communism. They have hardly been violent either.
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I meant the movement not the ideology.
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Re: I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
Somehow American media missed the part in 1997 when a senior chinese general threatened to nuke los angeles. They have been on my shit list ever since.
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Under what conditions was the threat made? Did he see a terrible Hollywood movie?
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Ask him you fucking idiot.
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No.
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Somehow American media missed the part in 1997 when a senior chinese general threatened to nuke los angeles. They have been on my shit list ever since.
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Under what conditions was the threat made? Did he see a terrible Hollywood movie?
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Ask him you fucking idiot.
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No.
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No they’re not like antifa, who are pro-communism. They have hardly been violent either.
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I meant the movement not the ideology.
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Antifa does not amount to a “movement”
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Re: I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
There's nothing really wrong in China's approach to dealing with the Hong Kong protesters the way I see it.

China's parliament approves Hong Kong national security Bill
[link to www.channelnewsasia.com (secure)]
The National People's Congress of more than 2,800 delegates voted in favour of the proposal to draft the law, which would punish secession, subversion of state power, terrorism and acts that endanger national security.

What's wrong with that?


Hong Kong is China, and has no army, they can't reasonable declare secession, especially without breaking their treaty to be self-governing under China until 2047.

I'm not saying communist China is better than socialist Hong Kong, I prefer freedom all around, but I also cannot condone violence to change the course of history or the course of government. Violence begets violence and only knowledge and understanding can truly change China.

What did the Japanese emperor realize when 2 atomic bombs were dropped on his countrymen? Probably world dominance wasn't needed afterall.
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Article 23 of the British China treaty stated that HongKong is obligated to roll out National Security Bill. But after more than 20 years, HongKong still neglects it's obligation. So, with the hooligans roaming freely destroying things and businesses, beating and burning up people with no repercussion since the foreign judges of HongKong unfairly release them, it's the time for China to impose law and order with National Security Bill for HongKong.

The retarded Hong Kong rioters have posted in r3dd!t that they want to ruin HongKong so that it's unlivable for China and HongKongers. Their aim is kamikaze to ruin everything. Who would be happy if they achieve their aim? America, the divide-conquerers who enjoys seeing Chinese fuck up each others and stop progressing. This color revolution, just like ISIS movement, was covertly inflamed and supported by America. Those rioters are just useful idiots being promised citizenship in the west but in reality, no one want those low-life trashes, not even Taiwan which opposes the Mainland China.
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Re: I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
In 1997 Hong Kong was in essence abandoned by the UK government and China annexed it.

The protests began when HK added amendments to its law that allows for the extradition of the accused in HK to China. For comparison the US constitution says that extradition can only occur to bring the accused back to the town in which the alleged crime was committed. In other words, people committing crimes in HK extradited to China will face harsher punishment.

HK seems to be given under agreement a right to govern itself until 2047, even though it is not a sovereign nation. Because it was under UK control for some 150 years it has its own government and passport and laws and all that jazz even though it is owned and represented by China.

Ok, so because of a dirty amendment the people rose up in protest. They went wrong when they went active-aggressive against the police instead of keeping it non violent. The HKers seem to have decided to make it the time to force the HK government (owned by and in agreement with China on limited automation - not sovereignty) to declare itself a sovereign state (even though it has no army).

Apparently to me, trying to weigh the facts to find truth, the HKers are apparently wrong in their violent protesting. I would liken the protesters to the antifa of the US. It went from peaceful protest to violent uprising and sedition. China decided to send in it's army (liken to US national guard) to reestablish order in the area. The HKers are finding the changes hard and reasonably so, no one wants to go from having freedoms to being a slave.

My final thoughts are that the US citizens are being manipulated to think the HKers are the innocent and good ones to instigate hatred and bloodlust towards China.

A solution to fix the amendment would be that if the accused were found guilty in HK, then they could be extradited to China for sentencing. I believe that would solve the issue that they all could agree on.

Lessons for history, don't do crimes, the meek shall inherit the earth.
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you forgot some important parts,harassment of people excercising their rights under agreement, some of these people have mysteriously disappeared and were found in jail in china proper. they also speak english in Hong Kong as well being used to basic freedoms denied in the area controlled by the CCP. Riddle me this,IS RESISTING UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY A CRIME?
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Re: I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
In 1997 Hong Kong was in essence abandoned by the UK government and China annexed it.

The protests began when HK added amendments to its law that allows for the extradition of the accused in HK to China. For comparison the US constitution says that extradition can only occur to bring the accused back to the town in which the alleged crime was committed. In other words, people committing crimes in HK extradited to China will face harsher punishment.

HK seems to be given under agreement a right to govern itself until 2047, even though it is not a sovereign nation. Because it was under UK control for some 150 years it has its own government and passport and laws and all that jazz even though it is owned and represented by China.

Ok, so because of a dirty amendment the people rose up in protest. They went wrong when they went active-aggressive against the police instead of keeping it non violent. The HKers seem to have decided to make it the time to force the HK government (owned by and in agreement with China on limited automation - not sovereignty) to declare itself a sovereign state (even though it has no army).

Apparently to me, trying to weigh the facts to find truth, the HKers are apparently wrong in their violent protesting. I would liken the protesters to the antifa of the US. It went from peaceful protest to violent uprising and sedition. China decided to send in it's army (liken to US national guard) to reestablish order in the area. The HKers are finding the changes hard and reasonably so, no one wants to go from having freedoms to being a slave.

My final thoughts are that the US citizens are being manipulated to think the HKers are the innocent and good ones to instigate hatred and bloodlust towards China.

A solution to fix the amendment would be that if the accused were found guilty in HK, then they could be extradited to China for sentencing. I believe that would solve the issue that they all could agree on.

Lessons for history, don't do crimes, the meek shall inherit the earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78272049

you forgot some important parts,harassment of people excercising their rights under agreement, some of these people have mysteriously disappeared and were found in jail in china proper. they also speak english in Hong Kong as well being used to basic freedoms denied in the area controlled by the CCP. Riddle me this,IS RESISTING UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY A CRIME?
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What was unlawful? Police showing up to a protest of an amendment that the government made to their laws lawfully?
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This forum is slowly being overtaken by honest to god real life CCP shills
Out from the belly of a whale came a prophet, Amen!
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Re: I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
In 1997 Hong Kong was in essence abandoned by the UK government and China annexed it.

The protests began when HK added amendments to its law that allows for the extradition of the accused in HK to China. For comparison the US constitution says that extradition can only occur to bring the accused back to the town in which the alleged crime was committed. In other words, people committing crimes in HK extradited to China will face harsher punishment.

HK seems to be given under agreement a right to govern itself until 2047, even though it is not a sovereign nation. Because it was under UK control for some 150 years it has its own government and passport and laws and all that jazz even though it is owned and represented by China.

Ok, so because of a dirty amendment the people rose up in protest. They went wrong when they went active-aggressive against the police instead of keeping it non violent. The HKers seem to have decided to make it the time to force the HK government (owned by and in agreement with China on limited automation - not sovereignty) to declare itself a sovereign state (even though it has no army).

Apparently to me, trying to weigh the facts to find truth, the HKers are apparently wrong in their violent protesting. I would liken the protesters to the antifa of the US. It went from peaceful protest to violent uprising and sedition. China decided to send in it's army (liken to US national guard) to reestablish order in the area. The HKers are finding the changes hard and reasonably so, no one wants to go from having freedoms to being a slave.

My final thoughts are that the US citizens are being manipulated to think the HKers are the innocent and good ones to instigate hatred and bloodlust towards China.

A solution to fix the amendment would be that if the accused were found guilty in HK, then they could be extradited to China for sentencing. I believe that would solve the issue that they all could agree on.

Lessons for history, don't do crimes, the meek shall inherit the earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78272049


Britain never abandoned them at all it was a treaty that expired and China made a deal with Britain to allow Hong Kong to be free of China's communists laws and rules and they had that freedom of speech, trade and life until last 12 months.

This is Chinas first move into world power can you not see that and Britain has no power over that deal because China and the UK are in a trade deal war.

China are making moves also on Taiwan and some of the Philippine Islands in the China Sea.

This is all about power to show the world so dont use the word that Britain abandoned them.
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Re: I don't usually do this but here's what I gathered about the Hong Kong situation in a nutshell - (am I wrong?)
The proposed extradition law stated that if some one commits a crime in Mainland China, Taiwan or Macau, and tried to evade punishment by fleeing to HK, he or she or xir should be extradited to where the crime occurred.


And strangely enough HK has extradition treaties with Britain and USA ... which is why Snowden wasn't safe in HK.


Now suppose Hawaii which the US annexed in the early 60s would have an extradition treaty with China but not with the Mainland USA ("CONUS") and suppose that the Republican Party would be banned there, like the Communist Party is banned in HK, wouldn't that strike you some what peculiar?


It's ironic that the HK rioters that the US was supporting and funding and has been trying to use for China destabilization have now declared their support for and solidarity with the US ANTIFA and BLM ...

How would you feel if Antifa and BLM visited China's US embassy and consulates getting from there gear and money ...


you probably wouldn't like it.





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