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Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher

 
Boomerang

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Nightshade,

800 pages.

Maintained on a nobody.

Do I laugh or cry?

>IF< what you say is true. Do you realize that you could be bolstering Dan Burischs claims?

How do you feel about that? Is that what you want?
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Still awaiting an explanation.


In late September 2007, Bill Hamilton sent me a copy of the e-mail I've represoduced below. I've removed personal information. Others who received this same e-mail, who read this thread, will recognize that it is authentic.

I have no condirmed information about whether Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton were involved in the joint cyberstalking of a UFO researcher. However, I do have personal knowledge that Bill Hamilton has been involved in the joint cyberstalking of others over the years. Complaints about Bill Hamilton's cyberstalking behavior have been around for years.

I've been watching this thread with interest. Had Bill Hamilton not been implicated in the cyberstalking of a UFO researcher with Dan Burisch, my first idea would have been that the "TV Producer" was Bill Hamilton. Having been shut out of the prize he sought by promoting Dan Burisch, it wouldn't be out of character for him to create an elaborate campaign to discredit and get even with Dan Burisch. Because Hamilton's name is implicated, I doubt he was the source of the "TV Producer".

The Bill Hamilton e-mail reproduced below is typical Hamilton behavior. He creates a false and transparent public persona of being an ethical and scientific UFO researcher. Then he tries to use that "noble stance" to go after others by making claims and discrediting other people's research and claims. Respected people in that field know Bill Hamilton as someone who promotes outlandish claims and unproven conspiracies. They also know him as someone who will publicly pronounce fraud in the UFO community. When he himself is caught promoting hoaxes, he pretends to distance himself from the hoax by some fancy denial footwork. He hasn't fooled anyone legitimate. He does no worthwhile research of his own but does repackage other people's research and claims, and then puts his name to it in his bid to pass as an expert.

I don't recall that Hamilton ever claimed he was involved in professions he didn't have, or degrees he didn't have. But like Dan Burisch, Bill Hamilton has an above average IQ with a bent toward science and the unusual. I can see why Burisch appealed to Hamilton, but he should have said no and looked elsewhere for something to promote and make money on.

I don't see any connection between what I know of Hamilton's past cyberstalking, and anything having to do with Dan Burisch. There may be a connection that's in Hamilton's head and which aren't evident. That may come out in this thread. If I do see a link then I will turn over whatever I have, from Hamilton's past activity, to the FBI.


From: [email protected]
To: XXXXX@XXXXX
Subject:XX XXXXX Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher!
Date: Sep XXXXX 2007 XXXXX

XXXXX

I don't believe this for a moment. There is no way you are in black ops. However, you have more than demonstrated your ability and propensity to harass others. You can call people names and use labels, but its an empty gesture. So please quit cyberstalking us, thank you.

True ufology is a scientific study, but ufologists endlessly argue the merits of any particular case.

Bill


Authentic or not, I can’t see how this copy e-mail shows Bill Hamilton as a cyberstalker?
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Reposting this document so that I don't get accused of being biased. Anyone that feels they have a desire and REAL evidence that can be used against Captain Professor Doctor Dan B Catsellas Burisch Crain Catselas Craine Burish. Just get on and do it.


NCIS investigates people who impersonate being a Naval officer. You can read more at their website including contact information.

[link to www.ncis.navy.mil]

Send CCs of your "Impersonating A Naval Officer" report, as well as the other complaints involving a fake doctorate and a bio terrorism threat as claimed by Dan Burisch, to the Southern Nevada Counter-Terrorism Center (SN/CTC), the Southern Nevada Joint Anti-Terrorism Task Force, FBI (Nevada Branch). and the Las Vegas PD Homeland Security division.

You can find contact info by using these correct task force names. Otherwise you might send information to a law enfocement agency not directly involved in the investigation.

Include a note that this is evidence that supports an ongoing investigation into these claims, which are connected to a bio terrorism threat in the US. Put in all of the names you know Dan Burisch to go by.

Include a code at the top of your report so that, should you contact the authorities again they will know that you are the originator of the information. The code also prevents anyone from claiming to be you for the purposes of interference in the investigation. You can ask that your identity be protected, if you are more comfortable with that.


Article 134 - (Impersonating a commissioned, warrant, noncommissioned, or petty officer, or an agent or official)

Elements.

(1) That the accused impersonated a commissioned, warrant, noncommissioned, or petty officer, or an agent of superior authority of one of the armed forces of the United States, or an official of a certain government, in a certain manner;

(2) That the impersonation was wrongful and willful; and

(3) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

Note 1: If intent to defraud is in issue, add the following additional element after (2), above: That the accused did so with the intent to defraud a certain person or organization in a certain manner;.

Note 2: If the accused is charged with impersonating an official of a certain government without an intent to defraud, use the following additional element after (2) above: That the accused committed one or more acts which exercised or asserted the authority of the office the accused claimed to have;.

Explanation.

(1) Nature of offense. Impersonation does not depend upon the accused deriving a benefit from the deception or upon some third party being misled, although this is an aggravating factor.

(2) Willfulness. 'Willful' means with the knowledge that one is falsely holding one’s self out as such.

(3) Intent to defraud. See paragraph 49c(14).



Thank you for inserting this piece of reality back into this thread. This is, after all, what the investigation is about.
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Unanswered question for nightshade.

Please confirm the following.

Edgars, you attended Indiana State University in the 1980s? Is this absolutely true?


Yes I am FULLY trained Remote Viewer. I was trained by professionals in parapsychology course at IU 1980s. By professionals I mean metal wearing kind. I also score in 98% in PK and ESP tests.



Indeed. Who exactly did you learn remote viewing from in the 1980's, no less a university course?
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Nightshade,

800 pages.

Maintained on a nobody.

Do I laugh or cry?

>IF< what you say is true. Do you realize that you could be bolstering Dan Burischs claims?

How do you feel about that? Is that what you want?
 Quoting: Boomerang


I don't know what is or isn't in a FOIA package about Dan Burisch in whatever names he uses. I do know that am 'ordinary' person can generate thousands of pages of documents depending on what the request is, as long as the material isn't classified. Even if information is classified, FOIA can produce them with heavy black out. That happened when FOIA was used to get info on UFO crashes in the US. Even in those heavily blacked out pages, the blackout would necessarily mean that UFO info was under the black. Usually it's the name and location of covert agents investigating something and they are protected.

High numbers of FOIA pages are often generated by copies of court papers. A court case can generate hundreds to thousands of pages. Since it's public knowledge that Burisch was involved in a bankruptcy, worked as a guard at some casino, and in some capacity as a guard elsewhere in the system, all of these things generate paperwork. LV casinos especially do a rigorous background check on possible employees because of the millions of dollars they deal in.

Therefore, it's not unusual for a seemingly ordinary person to generate a high volume of FOIA papers. It all depends on what information was requested.
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Even in those heavily blacked out pages, the blackout would necessarily mean that UFO info was under the black.
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I left out a word which changes the meaning of my sentence. The above line should read [newsly added word in CAPS]

Even in those heavily blacked out pages, the blackout would NOT necessarily mean that UFO info was under the black.
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Mischief? Just to see where your brain went with this I went to that thread and read it. What I saw was YOU Boomerang trolling and baiting that thread.


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So? Have I not admitted to being a troll? Whats a troll gonna do? Trolling comes natural to a troll, it's in the genes! My Dad was a troll and his father before him, I have no other means of supporting myself. A trolls life isn't always as much fun as you seem to think.

Someone who reads this thread, or some other thread in which your true untrustworthy nature has been revealed, saw you there and let the people there know that you were a troll for Dan Burisch.

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Huh?

Let's try and simplify the accusations;

Someone who reads this thread or some other? = Another poster

in which your true untrustworthy nature revealed = Someone doesn't agree with what I say

Let the people know that you were a troll for Dan Burisch = mischief making, just like I said you were.

The troll accusation is addressed above, if you think that I am trolling for Dan Burisch, I can assure you that I am a self-employed troll and have no affiliation with any other trolls or their employers.


Mischief? I can see how, in your desperate attempt to run intereference for your cult hero Burisch you would think that truth and reality was mischief.

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desperate attempt?

to run interference?

my cult hero Burisch?

truth and reality is mischief?

You don't understand me at all, do you?

Mischief? For you Boomerang that means anything that doesn't buy your BS or the Burisch and click BS and reveals the truth.
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Your posts somehow remind me of Nightshades. Weird isn't it? cliquety clop, he's worse though, imho.

You sir or madam along with your colleagues, remind me of........a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons; especially : one held together by common interests, views, or purposes.

LMAO


I've saved the best for last --------

Mischief? Boomerang you apparently don't know that on GLP, user id numbers are assigned on rotation. The same number can be reassigned to different people as long as they aren't on line at the same time. That's why you can't use a user id number as evidence that the same person is writing whatever posts you find under that number. Only avatars are assigned a static id number.
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So it's all a big coincidence then. Strange how many of those we come across.....is it not?

************************************


Nightshade, still outstanding, how did you do it? The analysis?

BTW, you NEVER did show me how you determined that those images were photoshopped......did you?
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Question for Boomerang.

I'm an observer of this thread and not anyone with a history with Dan Burisch and the people involved with Dan Burisch. I've read all of the posts in this thread and have noticed a trend as it concerns you.

It is evident that you have taken the position of someone who desperately wants to be in control of Burisch information, and when you are not permited that control you try to destroy the credibility of anyone or anything that does have that control.
The more you post the more proof you provide of what looks to be a very serious psychological or personality disorder problem. I don't need to be a psychologist to see that there is something very off with your behavior as it involves Burisch information. You are acting like a jealous man who had tried to position himself as an alpha male, in the investigation into Burisch, only to discover that you are not an alpha male at all. Yet you still believe you can be the alpha male by being aggressive and demanding and challenging an investigation in which you are powerless.

There was a time when you could have done the right thing about Burisch, but unless you correct my assumption on this I'm assuming you have never reported Burisch for falsely claiming to be a Naval Officer, you have never reported Burisch for claiming to be a false microbiologist with a false university doctorate, and you have never reported him for performing unauthorized biological experiments. This is only part of what, about Burisch's law breaking claims that you never reported so that a real investigation could be launched.

If you have made such reports to US authorities than provide that evidence here and now. These are very serious claims that Burisch made and they break federal laws. If you haven't made such reports then you should be ashamed of yourself.

It doesn't matter what you think about the investigation into Burisch or what Burisch and Hamilton were doing to sell the 'Burisch product' and remove obstacles. Reading this thread I can well see the hurtful mind games that are played, and how the net is used in an attemot to mold perceptions. It's completely reasonable to assume that both Bursch, Burisch's defenders, and Hamilton would all at some time engage in acts of intimidation. That mindset is evidenceed in this thread from a number of posters. I think it's very reasonable to assume that some of these mind games would include cyberstalking.

It's out of your hands because you chose it to be that way. The moment you chose to do nothing about the lies, even though you could see that Burisch handed out lie after lie, was the moment you relinquished any power or credibility you had in the Burisch saga. No matter how much you struggle against the investigation into Burisch, the investigation continues because the investigation is based on reality.
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Question for Boomerang.

I'm an observer of this thread and not anyone with a history with Dan Burisch and the people involved with Dan Burisch. I've read all of the posts in this thread and have noticed a trend as it concerns you.
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Fine, observe whatever . Trends? Would a more appropriate word be ‘traits’? Trends come and go, traits tend to remain. People talk of following the latest ‘trend’ or ‘fashion’ A leopard and his spots Etc.


It is evident that you have taken the position of someone who desperately wants to be in control of Burisch information, and when you are not permited that control you try to destroy the credibility of anyone or anything that does have that control.

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Destruction of credibility? Hmmmmmmmm.Thats funny!

Who or what are we referring to here?

Nightshade with his 800 pages of FOIA evidence?

The OP (TV Producer) with his or her allegations and no proof to show?

Please be specific!




The more you post the more proof you provide of what looks to be a very serious psychological or personality disorder problem. I don't need to be a psychologist to see that there is something very off with your behavior as it involves Burisch information.

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So, you are to psychology what Dan Burisch is to biology? Neither of you have any credibility in your chosen fields, would you say that’s a fair assessment? You say that you don’t need to be a psychologist to psychoanalyze someone? Why would they bother training someone in a particular field? What you are saying is pretty silly.

“There is something very off with your behavior as it involves Burisch”

Gee, let’s see, my behaviour is odd in respect to what?

The Burisch information!

Please be specific about how ‘my behaviour is ‘off ‘ . What is it that you see?

You are acting like a jealous man who had tried to position himself as an alpha male, in the investigation into Burisch, only to discover that you are not an alpha male at all. Yet you still believe you can be the alpha male by being aggressive and demanding and challenging an investigation in which you are powerless.

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Well, I can’t argue with that can I? Well yeah, I disagree on a couple of points actually.

Jealous?

No, I’m not jealous of anyone or anything. What do I have to be jealous of? You have no idea of my life. Alpha male? As it’s in a males genes, especially a male troll, then yes, the ‘desire’ to become ‘aloha male’ (that should be ALPHA MALE but I decided aloha was comical so left it in)is in-built. However, if you speak with some of my cyber friends, people that I have known from the first days of the DB story, they are aware of my true spirit. I would rather cooperate on an equal basis with people provided they are not duplicitous. I have no idea whether I have any power over any of the saga. There have been many twists and turns. Only time will tell the ultimate outcome.


I take it you’re either a female, or gay?

There was a time when you could have done the right thing about Burisch, but unless you correct my assumption on this I'm assuming you have never reported Burisch for falsely claiming to be a Naval Officer, you have never reported Burisch for claiming to be a false microbiologist with a false university doctorate, and you have never reported him for performing unauthorized biological experiments. This is only part of what, about Burisch's law breaking claims that you never reported so that a real investigation could be launched.

If you have made such reports to US authorities than provide that evidence here and now. These are very serious claims that Burisch made and they break federal laws. If you haven't made such reports then you should be ashamed of yourself.

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You have read twenty pages of crap and you wish to judge my actions? At what time could I have done anything about Dan Burisch? I have no direct complaint to make about him, have I? His diplomas whether fake or otherwise are really of no concern to me other than trying to prove or disprove the authenticity of the documents. The authenticity, may I remind you, has NOT been proven or otherwise to this date. I’m a British citizen. Dan is under the jurisdiction of the USA. I do what exactly? I feel ashamed for some things that relate to my >youth<, given my time over, I like to think that I would have acted differently but that’s the folly of youth. No, I do not feel ASHAMED of myself because of any involvement with Dan.

It doesn't matter what you think about the investigation into Burisch or what Burisch and Hamilton were doing to sell the 'Burisch product' and remove obstacles. Reading this thread I can well see the hurtful mind games that are played, and how the net is used in an attemot to mold perceptions. It's completely reasonable to assume that both Bursch, Burisch's defenders, and Hamilton would all at some time engage in acts of intimidation. That mindset is evidenceed in this thread from a number of posters. I think it's very reasonable to assume that some of these mind games would include cyberstalking.

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I agree with you completely.

It's out of your hands because you chose it to be that way. The moment you chose to do nothing about the lies, even though you could see that Burisch handed out lie after lie, was the moment you relinquished any power or credibility you had in the Burisch saga. No matter how much you struggle against the investigation into Burisch, the investigation continues because the investigation is based on reality.
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It’s out of my hands because I can’t see what Dan Burisch could be reported to the authorities for. I don’t think they would take me seriously. I don’t wish to get involved with your legal system, there’s only grief to be had there.

I fully support an official investigation being run by someone in the USA. >>>If<<< I’m contacted to bear witness, I shall tell the truth.

The reality aspect? Could you please give mea brief list of what parts are real and which parts are not? Seriously, I wish to know because I have no way of determining this, you obviously have access to information that I myself have not.

Happy now?






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PS

This is reality.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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If you get a spare hour.


This lady talks sense, puts quite a lot in perspective and I would highly recommend viewing this video in full. The speaker’s intelligently sexy. I think that I’m in love, particularly when she says “agent provocateur”, it has a certain quality to it that I can’t place my finger on. PLUS she mentions this JAG organization to boot.



[link to www.youtube.com]

Cage rattling ceased?

I was sTrolling down the street one day, in the merry merry month of May
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
There was a time when you could have done the right thing about Burisch, but unless you correct my assumption on this I'm assuming you have never reported Burisch for falsely claiming to be a Naval Officer, you have never reported Burisch for claiming to be a false microbiologist with a false university doctorate, and you have never reported him for performing unauthorized biological experiments. This is only part of what, about Burisch's law breaking claims that you never reported so that a real investigation could be launched.

If you have made such reports to US authorities than provide that evidence here and now. These are very serious claims that Burisch made and they break federal laws. If you haven't made such reports then you should be ashamed of yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

At what time could I have done anything about Dan Burisch? I have no direct complaint to make about him, have I? His diplomas whether fake or otherwise are really of no concern to me other than trying to prove or disprove the authenticity of the documents.

I’m a British citizen. Dan is under the jurisdiction of the USA. I do what exactly?

It’s out of my hands because I can’t see what Dan Burisch could be reported to the authorities for. I don’t think they would take me seriously. I don’t wish to get involved with your legal system

 Quoting: Boomerang


This is really what it all comes down to with you Boomerang. You have a fascination with Burisch and his claims and traveled across the pond to visit with him. You actively promoted him and his claims, at times keeping people appraised of his agenda.

You engaged in no actual or effective investigation of Burisch and his claims, although it was illogical to believe his fantastic claims without some physical proof of his claims.

Although Burisch's claims have been spread on the internet and memorialized on video, you claim you can't see what he could be reported to the authorites for. Even now, when these points are posted in this thread, you still claim to not being able to see what about his claims could be reported.

You use the excuse, that you're a British citizen, for not at least inquiring of the proper authorites whether Burisch was ever a US military officer, had a Ph.D from a New York university, was a microbiologist. Any of these claims were tangible, and an investigation of these claims would have produced the answer that Burisch had lied about all of this. That should have been all an honest and intelligent person needed to know about Burisch. The UK and the US are allies, and a few well placed inquiring e-mail from you would have at least started you on the road to truth. You chose not to go down that road.

You apparently don't think that you have a responsibility toward ethics with Burisch. You demand that people prove to you what information they have on Burisch, and other demands of like nature. Yet you yourself have done nothing to add an intelligent view of Burisch despite the fact that you traveled to the US to visit with him.

Your posting to this thread has absolutely demonstrated that your goal is to divert attention away from the core focus of the thread. You continually attempt to reduce this thread to the same mind games that mark the behavior of those involved in the Burisch saga. You are transparent and discredited. Your word and opinions mean nothing.
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Oh rattle away!

295848


What is preventing YOU from taking your own advice?
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Boomerang and others are keeping this thread alive. D.B. being in my view disinfo designed as a safety valve for the day and issues surrounding discloser, perhaps the day is near. For the man D.B. and his issues are awash in eternal details of no substance or clear direction and who's meaning evaporates on approach. Let this business die of lack of direction and clarity and perhaps some of you will recover yours.
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Anyone that feels they have a desire and REAL evidence that can be used against Captain Professor Doctor Dan B Catsellas Burisch Crain Catselas Craine Burish. Just get on and do it.

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This is probibly one of the best single sentance summaries of the saga to date! Nicely stated Boomer!

Dag
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219520:

I have often thought the same thing and in fact have stated that there are better things to be focusing on such as Jim Sparks, Phil Schnieder, and Dan Sherman (to name just a few). At least they have REAL cradentials and have been basically confirmed as being who they say they are. They never use aliases and are not wrapped up in internet gossip or theories. They are simply telling their stories as they have EXPERIANCED them. At face value they are a LOT more credible than the DB's and NL's out there.

But alas, here we are. And why is that? Everyone loves a contravercy, perhaps that is why. For me the answer is simple, DB whether we like it or not is here and is telling lies. I have spent many hours investigating, reading, discovering, and debating the subject of disclosure and have found that in black op's the truth is always covered in lies. Their is SOME truth to DB, you have to look hard and long, but it is their.

To simply dismiss those who's stories seem outlandish or too complicated is lazy and close minded and therefore, you do not belong here. Go back to the comfort of your couch and keep watching the UFO Files on A&E and wondering if any of it is true.

This story isn't for everyone. As for me, I will continue to speak my peace, point out the contradictions and lies, and work at finding the fact amoungst the fiction. As MBM once said, (regaurding my statement of leaving the forums since I had better things to do), "mission accomplished"....I don't think so, I'm here to stay.

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[link to www.projectcamelot.net]

they posted that 18 of 30 of their videos have been deleted on/by? google ??
wonder if burisch is one targeted ?
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Cheers Dagwood, nice to hear another sane voice.



[link to www.projectcamelot.net]

they posted that 18 of 30 of their videos have been deleted on/by? google ??
wonder if burisch is one targeted ?
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I don't know about Burisch, heven't checked as yet. I do know Gordon Novels went missing a few days ago.

The statement at the site reads.

Quote:

>>>>18 of our 30 videos have (again) been maliciously deleted from Google.

This means we're clearly doing something right. All our material is securely backed up in several locations, but it'll take a few days to re-upload all the deleted videos. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Attacks like this will never stop us. If the hacker or agent responsible is reading this, take note that we just become even more determined to make the truth available to the widest audience.<<<<<
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You use the excuse, that you're a British citizen, for not at least inquiring of the proper authorites whether Burisch was ever a US military officer, had a Ph.D from a New York university, was a microbiologist. Any of these claims were tangible, and an investigation of these claims would have produced the answer that Burisch had lied about all of this.
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This shows how much you know....

If we are to assume that their is a MJ-12, or and shadow government for that matter, how hard would it be for them to erase these records...??? If their is someone out there tattling on them, wouldn't they have motive to discredit that person to make them look foolish...this is phy-op 101, mate. You obviously haven't done your homework. Come back when you have something CONSTRUCTIVE to add.

Dag
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Is Danny behind bars yet?
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In late September 2007, Bill Hamilton sent me a copy of the e-mail I've represoduced below. I've removed personal information. Others who received this same e-mail, who read this thread, will recognize that it is authentic.

I have no confirmed information about whether Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton were involved in the joint cyberstalking of a UFO researcher. However, I do have personal knowledge that Bill Hamilton has been involved in the joint cyberstalking of others over the years. Complaints about Bill Hamilton's cyberstalking behavior have been around for years.

I've been watching this thread with interest. Had Bill Hamilton not been implicated in the cyberstalking of a UFO researcher with Dan Burisch, my first idea would have been that the "TV Producer" was Bill Hamilton. Having been shut out of the prize he sought by promoting Dan Burisch, it wouldn't be out of character for him to create an elaborate campaign to discredit and get even with Dan Burisch. Because Hamilton's name is implicated, I doubt he was the source of the "TV Producer".

The Bill Hamilton e-mail reproduced below is typical Hamilton behavior. He creates a false and transparent public persona of being an ethical and scientific UFO researcher. Then he tries to use that "noble stance" to go after others by making claims and discrediting other people's research and claims. Respected people in that field know Bill Hamilton as someone who promotes outlandish claims and unproven conspiracies. They also know him as someone who will publicly pronounce fraud in the UFO community. When he himself is caught promoting hoaxes, he pretends to distance himself from the hoax by some fancy denial footwork. He hasn't fooled anyone legitimate. He does no worthwhile research of his own but does repackage other people's research and claims, and then puts his name to it in his bid to pass as an expert.

I don't recall that Hamilton ever claimed he was involved in professions he didn't have, or degrees he didn't have. But like Dan Burisch, Bill Hamilton has an above average IQ with a bent toward science and the unusual. I can see why Burisch appealed to Hamilton, but he should have said no and looked elsewhere for something to promote and make money on.

I don't see any connection between what I know of Hamilton's past cyberstalking, and anything having to do with Dan Burisch. There may be a connection that's in Hamilton's head and which aren't evident. That may come out in this thread. If I do see a link then I will turn over whatever I have, from Hamilton's past activity, to the FBI.


From: [email protected]
To: XXXXX@XXXXX
Subject:XX XXXXX Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher!
Date: Sep XXXXX 2007 XXXXX

XXXXX

I don't believe this for a moment. There is no way you are in black ops. However, you have more than demonstrated your ability and propensity to harass others. You can call people names and use labels, but its an empty gesture. So please quit cyberstalking us, thank you.

True ufology is a scientific study, but ufologists endlessly argue the merits of any particular case.

Bill
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I was a member of the skywatcher list when Bill Hamilton posted there until he was removed. He used the list as his personal list and this is where his groupies gathered. Nothing about him seemed suspicious until he began to use the list as a place to promote Burisch. This wasn't taken well by many members who seriously questioned Hamilton on why he was promoting Burisch, who was seen as a hoaxer screwing with years of other peoples legit UFO research. Then members questioning the authenticity of Burisch and Hamilton's involvement were put on moderation. All posts challenging Burisch didn't make it onto the list. There was no mistake that Hamilton was rigging what Burisch themed posts could and could not be posted. This didn't sit well with skywatcher members who had been there for years and found themselves on moderation.

Shortly before the slywatcher list was deleted the list's head moderator posted that Hamilton had been removed from skywatcher. There was something in the post about something bad that Hamitlon had done off list but what that was remained vague in the post. Off list it got around that Hamilton was caught in some bad behavior. It got around that Hamilton got caught manipulating the list and also cyber stalking and trying to destroy people's reputation who didn't support his plans with Burisch. Hamilton was attacking people thinking that if he destroyed their reputations then noone would listen to them if they got involved to discredit Burisch. It wasn't only Hamilton but included a bunch of people from his groupies that he had organized to attack people he thought were his adversaries.
You got to understand that Hamilton organized a gang of cyber stalkers and this was so serious that Hamilton was kicked off of skywatcher and the list itself deleted.

I personally don't think that Burisch is on the level. But if he were on the up and up then doing business with Bill Hamilton would be a mistake. It's my opinion but I don't think that honest people would willingly do business with Hamilton. Dishonest people with few choices might.
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You use the excuse, that you're a British citizen, for not at least inquiring of the proper authorites whether Burisch was ever a US military officer, had a Ph.D from a New York university, was a microbiologist. Any of these claims were tangible, and an investigation of these claims would have produced the answer that Burisch had lied about all of this.


This shows how much you know....

If we are to assume that their is a MJ-12, or and shadow government for that matter, how hard would it be for them to erase these records...??? If their is someone out there tattling on them, wouldn't they have motive to discredit that person to make them look foolish...this is phy-op 101, mate. You obviously haven't done your homework. Come back when you have something CONSTRUCTIVE to add.

Dag
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Burisch's claim of being a member of MJ-12 is seriously screwing with the years of hard work that researchers have done like the Woods. It's hard enough trying to nail down whether MJ-12 ever existed then having Burisch claiming that HE is an MJ-12 member.

It's not a very good idea to stick in that Burisch's background papers doesn't show anything in black ops because MJ-12 erased it. Better that you realize it's more likely that if Burisch was MJ-12 you would have never heard of him at all. That he's talking about his fantastic claims - IMO - shows that he's a liar.
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Cheers Dagwood, nice to hear another sane voice.




[link to www.projectcamelot.net]

they posted that 18 of 30 of their videos have been deleted on/by? google ??
wonder if burisch is one targeted ?


I don't know about Burisch, heven't checked as yet. I do know Gordon Novels went missing a few days ago.

The statement at the site reads.

Quote:

>>>>18 of our 30 videos have (again) been maliciously deleted from Google.

This means we're clearly doing something right. All our material is securely backed up in several locations, but it'll take a few days to re-upload all the deleted videos. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Attacks like this will never stop us. If the hacker or agent responsible is reading this, take note that we just become even more determined to make the truth available to the widest audience.<<<<<
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Exactly which videos are they claiming were deleted? That wasn't said.

IMO the people behind Project Camelot have specialized in the business of promoting hoaxers as authentic and important. Dan Burisch is one of those hoaxers. I believe that this video deletion claim is a publicity stunt to add drama to the hoaxes they promote. If any videos were deleted then I propose that they did that.
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In late September 2007, Bill Hamilton sent me a copy of the e-mail I've represoduced below. I've removed personal information. Others who received this same e-mail, who read this thread, will recognize that it is authentic.

I have no confirmed information about whether Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton were involved in the joint cyberstalking of a UFO researcher. However, I do have personal knowledge that Bill Hamilton has been involved in the joint cyberstalking of others over the years. Complaints about Bill Hamilton's cyberstalking behavior have been around for years.

I've been watching this thread with interest. Had Bill Hamilton not been implicated in the cyberstalking of a UFO researcher with Dan Burisch, my first idea would have been that the "TV Producer" was Bill Hamilton. Having been shut out of the prize he sought by promoting Dan Burisch, it wouldn't be out of character for him to create an elaborate campaign to discredit and get even with Dan Burisch. Because Hamilton's name is implicated, I doubt he was the source of the "TV Producer".

The Bill Hamilton e-mail reproduced below is typical Hamilton behavior. He creates a false and transparent public persona of being an ethical and scientific UFO researcher. Then he tries to use that "noble stance" to go after others by making claims and discrediting other people's research and claims. Respected people in that field know Bill Hamilton as someone who promotes outlandish claims and unproven conspiracies. They also know him as someone who will publicly pronounce fraud in the UFO community. When he himself is caught promoting hoaxes, he pretends to distance himself from the hoax by some fancy denial footwork. He hasn't fooled anyone legitimate. He does no worthwhile research of his own but does repackage other people's research and claims, and then puts his name to it in his bid to pass as an expert.

I don't recall that Hamilton ever claimed he was involved in professions he didn't have, or degrees he didn't have. But like Dan Burisch, Bill Hamilton has an above average IQ with a bent toward science and the unusual. I can see why Burisch appealed to Hamilton, but he should have said no and looked elsewhere for something to promote and make money on.

I don't see any connection between what I know of Hamilton's past cyberstalking, and anything having to do with Dan Burisch. There may be a connection that's in Hamilton's head and which aren't evident. That may come out in this thread. If I do see a link then I will turn over whatever I have, from Hamilton's past activity, to the FBI.


From: [email protected]
To: XXXXX@XXXXX
Subject:XX XXXXX Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher!
Date: Sep XXXXX 2007 XXXXX

XXXXX

I don't believe this for a moment. There is no way you are in black ops. However, you have more than demonstrated your ability and propensity to harass others. You can call people names and use labels, but its an empty gesture. So please quit cyberstalking us, thank you.

True ufology is a scientific study, but ufologists endlessly argue the merits of any particular case.

Bill


I was a member of the skywatcher list when Bill Hamilton posted there until he was removed. He used the list as his personal list and this is where his groupies gathered. Nothing about him seemed suspicious until he began to use the list as a place to promote Burisch. This wasn't taken well by many members who seriously questioned Hamilton on why he was promoting Burisch, who was seen as a hoaxer screwing with years of other peoples legit UFO research. Then members questioning the authenticity of Burisch and Hamilton's involvement were put on moderation. All posts challenging Burisch didn't make it onto the list. There was no mistake that Hamilton was rigging what Burisch themed posts could and could not be posted. This didn't sit well with skywatcher members who had been there for years and found themselves on moderation.

Shortly before the slywatcher list was deleted the list's head moderator posted that Hamilton had been removed from skywatcher. There was something in the post about something bad that Hamitlon had done off list but what that was remained vague in the post. Off list it got around that Hamilton was caught in some bad behavior. It got around that Hamilton got caught manipulating the list and also cyber stalking and trying to destroy people's reputation who didn't support his plans with Burisch. Hamilton was attacking people thinking that if he destroyed their reputations then noone would listen to them if they got involved to discredit Burisch. It wasn't only Hamilton but included a bunch of people from his groupies that he had organized to attack people he thought were his adversaries.
You got to understand that Hamilton organized a gang of cyber stalkers and this was so serious that Hamilton was kicked off of skywatcher and the list itself deleted.

I personally don't think that Burisch is on the level. But if he were on the up and up then doing business with Bill Hamilton would be a mistake. It's my opinion but I don't think that honest people would willingly do business with Hamilton. Dishonest people with few choices might.
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I'll ask around to see if somebody kept a copy of the post where Bill Hamilton got kicked off that list. It was weird so I'm sure plenty of people kept a copy.
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I'll ask around to see if somebody kept a copy of the post where Bill Hamilton got kicked off that list. It was weird so I'm sure plenty of people kept a copy.
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That would be helpful. There are too many claims made that have no evidence to back them up. A good example of this behaviour would be Nightshade.


Burisch's claim of being a member of MJ-12 is seriously screwing with the years of hard work that researchers have done like the Woods. It's hard enough trying to nail down whether MJ-12 ever existed then having Burisch claiming that HE is an MJ-12 member.

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This is a large part of the reason Dans claims require definitive proof one way or the other. I've seen people post that they have this and that evidence but it's never forthcoming. Always some lame ass excuses or complete silence.
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I'll ask around to see if somebody kept a copy of the post where Bill Hamilton got kicked off that list. It was weird so I'm sure plenty of people kept a copy.


That would be helpful. There are too many claims made that have no evidence to back them up. A good example of this behaviour would be Nightshade.

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I think I may have this post saved to one of my hard drives. It will take time but I think I may be able to locate it. If someone else posts it first that would save me the effort. But I will make the effort if no one comes forward.

My recollection of this episode was a fight over ethics that became an off list battle that ended in Hamilton being ousted and the list eventually dumped. The one being accused of lacking ethics was Hamilton. Hamilton tried to do damage control by claiming that he had an offer to do something "productive" and that's why he left the UFO business, which was an excuse that no one I knew bought. Hamilton was pushing his involvement with Burisch hard then and to many of his "followers" or fans it looked like he had lost his mind and his integity at the same time.

If I'm recollecting this correctly Hamilton gave other excuses for why things went south for him. One was that some alphabet agency was on his tail, although no details were given that I recall. Another was that Burisch hadn't come up with the goods and embarressed him out of the UFO business. Another was that he received a message from the future that told him about something ominous that caused him to withdraw from the UFO business. I don't recall that he ever elaborated on what that meant.

I don't know that anything Hamilton wrote was ever telling the truth. Maybe in his early years but not since he got involved with Burisch. You can judge Hamilton by what he did before Burisch and then after Burisch. His judgement seemed to go out the window over Burisch. Whether this was Hamilton's true nature coming out or whether this was some effect Burisch had on him is anyone's guess. I'm not suggesting that Burisch had Svengali powers but that Burisch offered Hamilton possibly his last chance to make it big in the UFO business. Desire and greed have turned more than one man to do unethical things.
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Burisch's claim of being a member of MJ-12 is seriously screwing with the years of hard work that researchers have done like the Woods. It's hard enough trying to nail down whether MJ-12 ever existed then having Burisch claiming that HE is an MJ-12 member.

It's not a very good idea to stick in that Burisch's background papers doesn't show anything in black ops because MJ-12 erased it. Better that you realize it's more likely that if Burisch was MJ-12 you would have never heard of him at all. That he's talking about his fantastic claims - IMO - shows that he's a liar.
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Here's the holes in your opinion (according to the saga):

1. If there ever was an Maji...they no longer exist - according to Dan,(perhaps Don or Boomer can help me with the exact dates). They have now created sub-groups or orginizations, (Dan is rumored to be a member now of the fictional Priore of Sion - which would mean that Dan's been convienced that he is a direct decendant of Mary Madiline ----- pschyco!)

2. Dan was not a part of the Maji at the time his records were erased. He claimes that he was inducted shortly before it was dismembered. Up to that time was babyed by his controllers and his dadmirl (as Don likes to call him).

3. His fake degree from France is a consolation prize for them screwing up his records, as a double whammy Dan insisted upon MBM getting hers as well. (this info hasn't been publicly mentioned, and I got it from Dan on one of our late night meetings).

4. Dan was ORDERED to speak out about what he experianced by J-1, (aka. McConnel), who see's Dan as his own son, and therefore protected in large part from Maji backlash (which is a hole nother story in and of itself). He was the designed unofficial spokesperson for the Maji disclosure effort. (Although I think his disclosure is riddled with more disinformation than reality, by design).

The longer Dan is in the spotlight, the more outlandish his claimes and the rumors sorrounding him become. He is being mind-fucked by MBM, Deb, McConnell, and a whole host of others. Again, you have to look at his experiances and testimoney PRIOR to MBM & Deb to see a hint of truth. Yet even then, you have to use caution as he admits openly that they attempted a brainwash while he was trying to go public, but it just "didn't stick". At that time they could've implanted all kinds of crap into him...even HE admits that possability.

Regaurdless, Your theory holds about as much water as Dan's claimes....pleanty of room for doubt.

Dag
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In response to Dagwood, there are posts/messages relating to Dan being retired from maj, if I find the ones that relate to maji and the church I'll drop them in here.

Meantime here's one, don't know if this one was made public at the time. Note the mention of this Marcher person, wasn't this said to be Ann, the sister of Marci at some point? If so, when you read that Dan wasn't supposed to be aware of a connection between them, it's indicative of how the lies can run in layers, one upon another.

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" Dr. Burisch retired on March 21, 2005 at 5 am GMT. Dr. Burisch was told by J2 on March 30, 2005 that he had been lied to by the Maji, concerning the concocted "butterfly effect". He was directly informed that his silence had no consequence to the finding of the Crystal Lotus Model in 2091. Once this information spread to his inner circle, those around him began contracting his psychological operating space so that he would not gain internet or telephone access and "tell the world" himself.
He is extremely angry that he was fed with such disinformation and appears more than willing to not only fight for himself and against the trashing of his reputation, but move to public DISCLOSURE. I must admit, though, this willingness is very fragile and he is very weak. As the contraction around him continues, and as he listens to the people he calls "loved ones", the time is NOW to approach and subpoena him. He is ready to scream from the roof tops! In Dr. Burisch's failing health state, he barks loudly but has very little energy to fight the strong wills around him. His state continues to worsen and there appears to be a progressive loss of coordination due to seizure-related brain damage. Walking for him has become more difficult and he now uses a cane. He was issued a
hand-crafted masonic walking stick, from the Washington Consistory, by request of J1 himself. It is personalized and quite elegant.

Recent communications between he and McDowell have indicated that Dr. Burisch has demanded to sign some type of document to forever swear off the receipt of monetary gain from his story. Dr. Burisch reacted in a very vehement manner about not receiving monies. This portends that he intends a "story" to be told. It also suggests that he has lost neither his sense of moral balance nor his ethical base. McDowell is still
very active in the Maji and is Dr. Burisch's #1 protector. Ms. Marcher is a close friend of both she and Mrs. Burisch and together they watch him 24/7. Dr. Burisch is not aware that McDowell and Marcher are close.

Other internet communications suggest that some type of public announcement from Dr. Burisch's "handlers" is imminent. I have read that whatever is coming, it is not a book. I believe they intend to permanently disallow Dr. Burisch actually speaking directly to the public. McDowell is acting as the focus group coordinator and appears to be in charge of how anything would be released.
She is the power player now! I highly suggest you breathe not a word of this to anyone else as the "handlers" may change their direction if they know this leak has occurred."
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Did any of the people that have met Dan see any sign of the illhealth that Dan is said to suffer? Personally, I did not. Yes, Dan walked with a cane that was carved Etc. but not always. When he did use the cane it didn't 'appear' necessary. I haven't seen any pill popping, siezures Etc. Dans health 'seemed' quite good to me. That isn't to say that he doesn't have the illness, but on the past experiences, it makes me wonder. He was able to travel quite long distances over assorted terrain without showing signs of discomfort. I have been in the company of people that do have illness such as Dan reports, my experiences tell a different story. They CANNOT get about and find it hard to breathe after quite small amounts of effort.
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Is Danny behind bars yet?
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Yes. That's why he's in blackaout until December ... if he gets parole.





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