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Bible Studies - Satan tempts Jesus - Real Meaning

 
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Welcome Truth seekers and lovers of Truth. Today's bible lesson concentrates on 'Satan' tempting Jesus and the real meaning behind them.

Matthew 4:1-11
Satan Tempts Jesus

4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,

‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”
7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not [a]tempt the Lord your God.’ ”


Meaning: It's very simple. Basically what this text is teaching you is that anyone who questions that the character of Jesus is the actual son of God or God in the flesh is Satan aka evil. This is the only meaning. As a man of peasant stock with no authority and no power and is claiming to be divine it is only natural he should prove this claim. But he (the author) doesn't want to prove it because he cannot Because it is false. Hence the one asking him for proof is depicted as Satan.

Matthew 4:9-10
9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a]”


Meaning: This one should be obvious. The character Jesus has no real power or authority. Hence again it is Satan who is depicted as having real power and authority and as being the one who pulls the strings. Thus, the author of this text serves to explain away Jesus' lack of temporal power by telling us people with actual power are controlled by and serve Satan. Thus have the poor always been kept poor by associating power and riches with evil.

Hope this helps. I do look forward to our next bible lesson.
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Why do you call Jesus "the character".
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Why do you call Jesus "the character".
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Because these books are not written by the man himself, nor in his era. As they were written by anonymous people, the Jesus we all know is a character as interpreted by the author/s. This is fairly self-explanatory, no?
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Here is a list of the people in the Bible who claim that Jesus is the Son of God, and those who claim that he is God the Son. I will keep it simple and not list the verses that claim that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of Man, or the king of Israel. All these titles are synonymous.

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People in the Bible who say Jesus IS God.

Thomas

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People in the Bible who say Jesus is "God the Son"

Nobody.

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Son of God

God Himself refers to Jesus as His Son: Matthew 2:15, 3:17, 17:5, Mk 1:11, 9:7, Luke 9:35

Jesus says that he is the Son of God: Mark 14:61-62, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 9:35, 10:36

The angel Gabriel says Jesus is the Son of God: Luke 1:35

Peter says that Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 16:16

John the Apostle says Jesus is the Son of God: John 20:31, 1 John 3:23, 4:15, 5:5

All the Apostles say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 14:33, John 6:69

John the Baptist says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:34

John Mark says Jesus is the Son of God: Mark 1:1

Paul says Jesus is the Son of God: Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 4:14

Nathanael says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:49

Centurions says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 27:54, Mark 15:39

satan says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 4:3, 4:6, Luke 4:3

Demons say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7,Luke 4:41, 8:28
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Here is a list of the people in the Bible who claim that Jesus is the Son of God, and those who claim that he is God the Son. I will keep it simple and not list the verses that claim that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of Man, or the king of Israel. All these titles are synonymous.

-------------------------------------
People in the Bible who say Jesus IS God.

Thomas

-------------------------------------------------
People in the Bible who say Jesus is "God the Son"

Nobody.

------------------------------------------

Son of God

God Himself refers to Jesus as His Son: Matthew 2:15, 3:17, 17:5, Mk 1:11, 9:7, Luke 9:35

Jesus says that he is the Son of God: Mark 14:61-62, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 9:35, 10:36

The angel Gabriel says Jesus is the Son of God: Luke 1:35

Peter says that Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 16:16

John the Apostle says Jesus is the Son of God: John 20:31, 1 John 3:23, 4:15, 5:5

All the Apostles say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 14:33, John 6:69

John the Baptist says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:34

John Mark says Jesus is the Son of God: Mark 1:1

Paul says Jesus is the Son of God: Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 4:14

Nathanael says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:49

Centurions says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 27:54, Mark 15:39

satan says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 4:3, 4:6, Luke 4:3

Demons say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7,Luke 4:41, 8:28
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


That's like saying here's a list of people in the Harry potter books who say Harry Potter is a wizard.

how is it you don't see this? Your love of falsehood is greater than your love of truth.
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Why do you call Jesus "the character".
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Because Prince took “The Artist Formerly Known As..”

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Here is a list of the people in the Bible who claim that Jesus is the Son of God, and those who claim that he is God the Son. I will keep it simple and not list the verses that claim that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of Man, or the king of Israel. All these titles are synonymous.

-------------------------------------
People in the Bible who say Jesus IS God.

Thomas
-------------------------------------------------
People in the Bible who say Jesus is "God the Son"

Nobody.
------------------------------------------
Son of God

God Himself refers to Jesus as His Son: Matthew 2:15, 3:17, 17:5, Mk 1:11, 9:7, Luke 9:35

Jesus says that he is the Son of God: Mark 14:61-62, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 9:35, 10:36

The angel Gabriel says Jesus is the Son of God: Luke 1:35

Peter says that Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 16:16

John the Apostle says Jesus is the Son of God: John 20:31, 1 John 3:23, 4:15, 5:5

All the Apostles say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 14:33, John 6:69

John the Baptist says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:34

John Mark says Jesus is the Son of God: Mark 1:1

Paul says Jesus is the Son of God: Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 4:14

Nathanael says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:49

Centurions says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 27:54, Mark 15:39

satan says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 4:3, 4:6, Luke 4:3

Demons say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7,Luke 4:41, 8:28
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


That's like saying here's a list of people in the Harry potter books who say Harry Potter is a wizard.

how is it you don't see this? Your love of falsehood is greater than your love of truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79082558


NONSENSE.

EVERYTHING stated above is backed up by KJV verses.

Would you prefer I post ALL the verses instead?

Thread: Jesus and the Apostles - 400 Verses That Reference Either The Father or His SON - Son of God

What "falsehood" are you talking about?
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Here is a list of the people in the Bible who claim that Jesus is the Son of God, and those who claim that he is God the Son. I will keep it simple and not list the verses that claim that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of Man, or the king of Israel. All these titles are synonymous.

-------------------------------------
People in the Bible who say Jesus IS God.

Thomas
-------------------------------------------------
People in the Bible who say Jesus is "God the Son"

Nobody.
------------------------------------------
Son of God

God Himself refers to Jesus as His Son: Matthew 2:15, 3:17, 17:5, Mk 1:11, 9:7, Luke 9:35

Jesus says that he is the Son of God: Mark 14:61-62, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 9:35, 10:36

The angel Gabriel says Jesus is the Son of God: Luke 1:35

Peter says that Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 16:16

John the Apostle says Jesus is the Son of God: John 20:31, 1 John 3:23, 4:15, 5:5

All the Apostles say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 14:33, John 6:69

John the Baptist says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:34

John Mark says Jesus is the Son of God: Mark 1:1

Paul says Jesus is the Son of God: Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 4:14

Nathanael says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:49

Centurions says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 27:54, Mark 15:39

satan says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 4:3, 4:6, Luke 4:3

Demons say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7,Luke 4:41, 8:28
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


That's like saying here's a list of people in the Harry potter books who say Harry Potter is a wizard.

how is it you don't see this? Your love of falsehood is greater than your love of truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79082558


NONSENSE.

EVERYTHING stated above is backed up by KJV verses.

Would you prefer I post ALL the verses instead?

Thread: Jesus and the Apostles - 400 Verses That Reference Either The Father or His SON - Son of God

What "falsehood" are you talking about?
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


Everything I stated is backed up by JK Rowling verses.

Harry Potter truly is a wizard. Do you deny this?
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Everything I stated is backed up by JK Rowling verses.

Harry Potter truly is a wizard. Do you deny this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79082558


It's ironic that that vast majority of scholars believe that Jesus actually existed.

Yet here you are - screaming "lies" like a little 5 year old.

A quote from a comment on a Youtube video.

"Atheists don't realise the great irony that their whole identity, being an atheist, is based around God."

My comment...

"It's ironic that radical militant atheists spend a good majority of their time talking about God and His Son."

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God...the Father..exists, as does His Son Yeshua.

The Bible covers 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind.

NOTHING you say will change these facts.

In reality, there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES any of the vast majority of events in the Bible.

Dozens of people AND hundreds of places mentioned in the Bible have been proven to exist.

Here's a 191 page free PDF of Biblical Archaeological finds.

[link to www.israelite.net]

Evidence for the Exodus and Sodom & Gomorrah

Thread: Updated - New Videos / Evidence of the Biblical Exodus in Saudi Arabia - Hebrews / Mt Sinai More

Thread: Sodom Gomorrah Admah - Video & Photographic Evidence of Biblical Destruction Brimstone

God isn't real? Multi-MILLIONS of folks would beg to differ with your claim.

Thread: Have you ever witnessed a Miracle? I have, more than once. Post it here, if so. I'll start...

Thread: Testimonies of Miracles Angels etc...proof of God / Yahuah & Son Jesus / Yeshua
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Everything I stated is backed up by JK Rowling verses.

Harry Potter truly is a wizard. Do you deny this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79082558


It's ironic that that vast majority of scholars believe that Jesus actually existed.

Yet here you are - screaming "lies" like a little 5 year old.

A quote from a comment on a Youtube video.

"Atheists don't realise the great irony that their whole identity, being an atheist, is based around God."

My comment...

"It's ironic that radical militant atheists spend a good majority of their time talking about God and His Son."

-------------------------------------
God...the Father..exists, as does His Son Yeshua.

The Bible covers 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind.

NOTHING you say will change these facts.

In reality, there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES any of the vast majority of events in the Bible.

Dozens of people AND hundreds of places mentioned in the Bible have been proven to exist.

Here's a 191 page free PDF of Biblical Archaeological finds.

[link to www.israelite.net]

Evidence for the Exodus and Sodom & Gomorrah

Thread: Updated - New Videos / Evidence of the Biblical Exodus in Saudi Arabia - Hebrews / Mt Sinai More

Thread: Sodom Gomorrah Admah - Video & Photographic Evidence of Biblical Destruction Brimstone

God isn't real? Multi-MILLIONS of folks would beg to differ with your claim.

Thread: Have you ever witnessed a Miracle? I have, more than once. Post it here, if so. I'll start...

Thread: Testimonies of Miracles Angels etc...proof of God / Yahuah & Son Jesus / Yeshua
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I'll give you 2 examples of your love of falsehood:

1) I am not screaming. No all caps here.
2) I am not an atheist. You are a false religionist and I am here to destroy you.
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Welcome Truth seekers and lovers of Truth. Today's bible lesson concentrates on 'Satan' tempting Jesus and the real meaning behind them.

Matthew 4:1-11
Satan Tempts Jesus

4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,

‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”
7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not [a]tempt the Lord your God.’ ”


Meaning: It's very simple. Basically what this text is teaching you is that anyone who questions that the character of Jesus is the actual son of God or God in the flesh is Satan aka evil. This is the only meaning. As a man of peasant stock with no authority and no power and is claiming to be divine it is only natural he should prove this claim. But he (the author) doesn't want to prove it because he cannot Because it is false. Hence the one asking him for proof is depicted as Satan.

Matthew 4:9-10
9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a]”


Meaning: This one should be obvious. The character Jesus has no real power or authority. Hence again it is Satan who is depicted as having real power and authority and as being the one who pulls the strings. Thus, the author of this text serves to explain away Jesus' lack of temporal power by telling us people with actual power are controlled by and serve Satan. Thus have the poor always been kept poor by associating power and riches with evil.

Hope this helps. I do look forward to our next bible lesson.
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Enjoy hell
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I'll give you 2 examples of your love of falsehood:

1) I am not screaming. No all caps here.
2) I am not an atheist. You are a false religionist and I am here to destroy you.
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The Bible is NOT falsehood.

I follow no man nor church denomination.

So your "version" of your "belief" is "Jesus speaks to me"?

IF what "he" tells you doesn't match the Bible for the MOST part...it's NOT "Jesus" who is speaking to you.

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I'll give you 2 examples of your love of falsehood:

1) I am not screaming. No all caps here.
2) I am not an atheist. You are a false religionist and I am here to destroy you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79082558


The Bible is NOT falsehood.

I follow no man nor church denomination.

So your "version" of your "belief" is "Jesus speaks to me"?

IF what "he" tells you doesn't match the Bible for the MOST part...it's NOT "Jesus" who is speaking to you.

horn2
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The New testament is total falsehood, designed to make it appear the fulfilment of OT prophecy of the messiah. It is blasphemy.

You follow a fictional man called Jesus authored by persons anonymous.

Nowhere did I say Jesus speaks to me. I follow Truth.

I don't care what your bible says. It is falsehood. It is not Truth.
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Welcome Truth seekers and lovers of Truth. Today's bible lesson concentrates on 'Satan' tempting Jesus and the real meaning behind them.

Matthew 4:1-11
Satan Tempts Jesus
4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,

‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”
7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not [a]tempt the Lord your God.’ ”


Meaning: It's very simple. Basically what this text is teaching you is that anyone who questions that the character of Jesus is the actual son of God or God in the flesh is Satan aka evil. This is the only meaning. As a man of peasant stock with no authority and no power and is claiming to be divine it is only natural he should prove this claim. But he (the author) doesn't want to prove it because he cannot Because it is false. Hence the one asking him for proof is depicted as Satan.

Matthew 4:9-10
9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a]”


Meaning: This one should be obvious. The character Jesus has no real power or authority. Hence again it is Satan who is depicted as having real power and authority and as being the one who pulls the strings. Thus, the author of this text serves to explain away Jesus' lack of temporal power by telling us people with actual power are controlled by and serve Satan. Thus have the poor always been kept poor by associating power and riches with evil.

Hope this helps. I do look forward to our next bible lesson.
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Very interesting, never looked at it that way before
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I'll give you 2 examples of your love of falsehood:

1) I am not screaming. No all caps here.
2) I am not an atheist. You are a false religionist and I am here to destroy you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79082558


The Bible is NOT falsehood.

I follow no man nor church denomination.

So your "version" of your "belief" is "Jesus speaks to me"?

IF what "he" tells you doesn't match the Bible for the MOST part...it's NOT "Jesus" who is speaking to you.

horn2
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The New testament is total falsehood, designed to make it appear the fulfilment of OT prophecy of the messiah. It is blasphemy.

You follow a fictional man called Jesus authored by persons anonymous.

Nowhere did I say Jesus speaks to me. I follow Truth.

I don't care what your bible says. It is falsehood. It is not Truth.
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UTTER HOGWASH.

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Muslim man accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior:


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The New testament is total falsehood, designed to make it appear the fulfilment of OT prophecy of the messiah. It is blasphemy.

You follow a fictional man called Jesus authored by persons anonymous.

Nowhere did I say Jesus speaks to me. I follow Truth.

I don't care what your bible says. It is falsehood. It is not Truth.
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The NT is "made up"? That argument holds NO water. Even IF we didn't have manuscript fragments dating back to the 2nd century, scholars could "piece together" the 4 Gospels just from the writings of various church fathers.

---AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

---AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

---AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

On TOP of that, there is a growing consensus that the first writings of the Gospels were in Hebrew & Aramaic.

Thread: Bible Languages History - Hebraisms in the New Testament Times of Jesus

Thread: Hebrew Matthew Manuscripts Clear Up Greek Translation Problems - Early Church Fathers Said Matthew was in Hebrew

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There's more ancient manuscript evidence for Jesus than ANY other ancient person.

Numbskulls like you want to blabber of "comtemporary evidence" knowing FULL WELL that....

1. Starting after Jesus' death, the Pharisees did everything possible to derail the growth of Christianity.

2. Manuscripts, at the least, have lasted through...

-the Roman destruction of Israel & other wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians and Hebrews that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

3. Even the Jesus-hating Pharisees wrote about Jesus in the Talmud.


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The New testament is total falsehood, designed to make it appear the fulfilment of OT prophecy of the messiah. It is blasphemy.

You follow a fictional man called Jesus authored by persons anonymous.

Nowhere did I say Jesus speaks to me. I follow Truth.

I don't care what your bible says. It is falsehood. It is not Truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79082558


The NT is "made up"? That argument holds NO water. Even IF we didn't have manuscript fragments dating back to the 2nd century, scholars could "piece together" the 4 Gospels just from the writings of various church fathers.

---AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

---AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

---AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

On TOP of that, there is a growing consensus that the first writings of the Gospels were in Hebrew & Aramaic.

Thread: Bible Languages History - Hebraisms in the New Testament Times of Jesus

Thread: Hebrew Matthew Manuscripts Clear Up Greek Translation Problems - Early Church Fathers Said Matthew was in Hebrew

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There's more ancient manuscript evidence for Jesus than ANY other ancient person.

Numbskulls like you want to blabber of "comtemporary evidence" knowing FULL WELL that....

1. Starting after Jesus' death, the Pharisees did everything possible to derail the growth of Christianity.

2. Manuscripts, at the least, have lasted through...

-the Roman destruction of Israel & other wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians and Hebrews that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

3. Even the Jesus-hating Pharisees wrote about Jesus in the Talmud.


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Well Bishops of Rome would refer to the gospels wouldnt they? What about the Koran. Do you believe that too? Imams refer to it all the time.

What about the OT? You believe that? It says their messiah is a warrior. Was Jesus a warrior? Spiritual warrior is just semantics, the kind you lot like to play to weasel out of such type of arguments.

I don't deny there may have been a man called Jesus who claimed he was the son of God and who was crucified. I do deny he physically resurrected. And even if he did, he promised to return. It's been two thousand years now. What's he waiting for?

Mark 13:30-37 King James Version (KJV)

30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

^^^try and worm your way out of this one^^^
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Why, it is the same thing as depicted here by Keanu Reeves:

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Well Bishops of Rome would refer to the gospels wouldnt they? What about the Koran. Do you believe that too? Imams refer to it all the time.

What about the OT? You believe that? It says their messiah is a warrior. Was Jesus a warrior? Spiritual warrior is just semantics, the kind you lot like to play to weasel out of such type of arguments.

I don't deny there may have been a man called Jesus who claimed he was the son of God and who was crucified. I do deny he physically resurrected. And even if he did, he promised to return. It's been two thousand years now. What's he waiting for?

Mark 13:30-37 King James Version (KJV)

30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

^^^try and worm your way out of this one^^^
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Thread: The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars - Gary Habermas

The Koran was written 600 years AFTER the books of the New Testament.

How is it that so many Hebrews understood Jesus as the Messiah? His message was about Salvation for ALL. The idiot Pharisees only expect THEIR "kingdom" to be restored. They CRAVE power over all humans.

The Words of God that His Son Jesus brought are a sword to remove non-believers from Believers.

You folks try to claim that "generation" would mean by the end of the Apostles lives. Who's to say it doesn't mean "this generation of humans / humanity"?

You act like YOU "make the rules" for understanding the Bible.

You fail.
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Re: Bible Studies - Satan tempts Jesus - Real Meaning
Well Bishops of Rome would refer to the gospels wouldnt they? What about the Koran. Do you believe that too? Imams refer to it all the time.

What about the OT? You believe that? It says their messiah is a warrior. Was Jesus a warrior? Spiritual warrior is just semantics, the kind you lot like to play to weasel out of such type of arguments.

I don't deny there may have been a man called Jesus who claimed he was the son of God and who was crucified. I do deny he physically resurrected. And even if he did, he promised to return. It's been two thousand years now. What's he waiting for?

Mark 13:30-37 King James Version (KJV)

30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

^^^try and worm your way out of this one^^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79082558


Thread: The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars - Gary Habermas

The Koran was written 600 years AFTER the books of the New Testament.

How is it that so many Hebrews understood Jesus as the Messiah? His message was about Salvation for ALL. The idiot Pharisees only expect THEIR "kingdom" to be restored. They CRAVE power over all humans.

The Words of God that His Son Jesus brought are a sword to remove non-believers from Believers.

You folks try to claim that "generation" would mean by the end of the Apostles lives. Who's to say it doesn't mean "this generation of humans / humanity"?

You act like YOU "make the rules" for understanding the Bible.

You fail.
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ha ha. So 'this generation' means the this generation of humankind.

I give you 10/10 for semantics. YOu are a master. Well you keep waiting. I wish you all the best.

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