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Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?

 
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Says who? The Roman Empire?
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Ask the Hebrews if Jesus is their king, forget Rome
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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?
The original followers were Hebrews.

The Torahless elite in bed with the Roman Beast System rejected Mashiyach.

I totally understand why Jws reject the FAKE christ pushed by Rome and the whore sisters of modern times. Even I reject the false christ as well.

Most of you are NOT even following the Original and I pray that YaH would open your eyes, ears, and hearts.

Shalom...

EBY

hf
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"However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.
3Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. 5Do you not remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?
6 And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time. 7True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. 8Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness." 2Th2
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The apostasy and falling away happened a LONG time ago. How many assemblies actually walking like Yeshua walked? You do realize that Yeshua and the Original taught ones kept the Sabbath and the same Feasts found in Leviticus 23. How many assemblies do you know that actually keep the Sabbath and the Feasts of YHVH as Yeshua and the original taught ones?

You see, the apostasy and falling away happened a long time ago.

Shalom...

EBY

hf
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Neo-samaritans ‘pharisees’, Baby!
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Goodbye Julia Roberts, or as I knew you as, Vanessa.

It has been something, I'm not sure what.
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Not all. Many, but not all.
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the only thing that kept the Gews from becoming Christians is the stumbling block of the Gospel-a refusal to acknowledge their transgressions as sinful men and to open their hearts to salvation through the redeeming grace of Christ
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That and they couldn't get past the "Jesus is God in the flesh" truth.
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Yeah that's a biggie.

St. John 10:33 The Hebrews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy (We don't believe you, therefore you must be a liar); and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself (THE) God.
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False charge of blasphemy. Because of Jesus’ references to God as his Father, certain opposing Hebrews leveled the charge of blasphemy against him, saying, “You, although being a man, make yourself a god.” (Joh 10:33) Most translations here say “God”; Torrey’s translation lowercases the word as “god,” while the interlinear reading of The Emphatic Diaglott says “a god.” Support for the rendering “a god” is found principally in Jesus’ own answer, in which he quoted from Psalm 82:1-7. As can be seen, this text did not refer to persons as being called “God,” but “gods” and “sons of the Most High.”

According to the context, those whom Jehovah called “gods” and “sons of the Most High” in this psalm were Israelite judges who had been practicing injustice, requiring that Jehovah himself now judge ‘in the middle of such gods.’ (Ps 82:1-6, 8) Since Jehovah applied these terms to those men, Jesus was certainly guilty of no blasphemy in saying, “I am God’s Son.” Whereas the works of those judicial “gods” belied their being “sons of the Most High,” Jesus’ works consistently proved him to be in union, in harmonious accord and relationship, with his Father.—Joh 10:34-38.
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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?
Not all. Many, but not all.
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How about now, does political Israel proclaim the 1,000 year reign of Christ as the only global solution?
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The fact that God loves them anyways shows how awesome our creator is. He knew they would deny him and still loved them
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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?

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Lets be honest...

Would people accept a story like that today? heck no...

If some hippie looking savior dude started gathering all the youths and drop outs and lefties.. took them up into the hills for preaching and stuff and your kids were gone for days..

would you really be like heck yeah!!! Its the Savior!

Think about it from a real world perspective.
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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?

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Lets be honest...

Would people accept a story like that today? heck no...

If some hippie looking savior dude started gathering all the youths and drop outs and lefties.. took them up into the hills for preaching and stuff and your kids were gone for days..

would you really be like heck yeah!!! Its the Savior!

Think about it from a real world perspective.
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Right the Timothy Leary thing fast faded but, what has got to do with this?

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The Christian world will soon pay dearly for its refusal to acknowledge Jesus for what he is - a lie.
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Are you guys still waiting on that red heifer's time to be over before you roll out YOUR "Messiah"?

What are you people afraid of?

Thread: Rabbi Kaduri Predicted 40 Years Ago: Israel Elections But No Government will bring moshiach....This is happening right now in Israel

Thread: Rabbi: Messiah Began on Sunday, Will Appear on Purim, and Will Finish With Israeli Elections...
I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?
He kept Torah and not the traditions of the j ews.
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the only thing that kept the Gews from becoming Christians is the stumbling block of the Gospel-a refusal to acknowledge their transgressions as sinful men and to open their hearts to salvation through the redeeming grace of Christ
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76921541


That and they couldn't get past the "Jesus is God in the flesh" truth.
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Who did Jesus tell to 'worship' himself?
 Quoting: DGN



33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him”


“Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’”

9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78230975


Jesus said He is to be "honored".

1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me".
2. Jesus NEVER said "pray to / worship" a "trinity".
3. Jesus NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" NOR "worship Holy Spirit".
4. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father.
5. The Holy Spirit NEVER says "I am _______" or "you shall ________". Only Jesus and the Father say such.
----------------------------------------

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.


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Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus

cried with a loud voice, saying,

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

-------------------------------------------
John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


-------------------------------------------
John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,


that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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[link to www.jwfacts.com]


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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?
Because he wasn't actually part of the tribe.
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The Pharisees did not believe Jesus was the son of God and yet still we deny him as the son and have made him our God. The antichrist is the illusion so great that "it" will be used to spit out lukewarm "Christians" in so much that if it were possible even the very elect could be fooled. Taking the mark of the beast is the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Those who believe in the rapture, praying to saints and/or worship Jesus as God are in great danger of taking the mark. Believe Jesus and believe his Father sent him!

“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone".
–Jesus the Way
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That and they couldn't get past the "Jesus is God in the flesh" truth.
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Who did Jesus tell to 'worship' himself?
 Quoting: DGN



33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him”


“Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’”

9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78230975


Jesus said He is to be "honored".

1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me".
2. Jesus NEVER said "pray to / worship" a "trinity".
3. Jesus NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" NOR "worship Holy Spirit".
4. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father.
5. The Holy Spirit NEVER says "I am _______" or "you shall ________". Only Jesus and the Father say such.
----------------------------------------

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.


-----------------------------------------
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus

cried with a loud voice, saying,

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

-------------------------------------------
John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


-------------------------------------------
John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,


that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


You did not provide a verse of Jesus telling anyone to worship the Father.
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Who did Jesus tell to 'worship' himself?
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33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him”


“Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’”

9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78230975


Jesus said He is to be "honored".

1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me".
2. Jesus NEVER said "pray to / worship" a "trinity".
3. Jesus NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" NOR "worship Holy Spirit".
4. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father.
5. The Holy Spirit NEVER says "I am _______" or "you shall ________". Only Jesus and the Father say such.
----------------------------------------

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.


-----------------------------------------
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus

cried with a loud voice, saying,

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

-------------------------------------------
John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


-------------------------------------------
John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,


that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


You did not provide a verse of Jesus telling anyone to worship the Father.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78786955


Matthew 4:10
The remnant of Jacob will be among the nations, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of the forest, like a young lion among flocks of sheep, which mauls and mangles as it goes, and no one can rescue.
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I'm thinking they didn't like the fact he walked into the temple told the money changers their sacrifices were an abomination, then proceeding in overturning their tables.
The remnant of Jacob will be among the nations, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of the forest, like a young lion among flocks of sheep, which mauls and mangles as it goes, and no one can rescue.
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I'm thinking they didn't like the fact he walked into the temple told the money changers their sacrifices were an abomination, then proceeding in overturning their tables.
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Good original situational awareness but remember the hustlers were only in it for themselves, no?
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I'm thinking they didn't like the fact he walked into the temple told the money changers their sacrifices were an abomination, then proceeding in overturning their tables.
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Good original situational awareness but remember the hustlers were only in it for themselves, no?
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Hustlers are notoriously nasty and will fight for their pie
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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?
Easy it was a made up story by the king of england
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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?
One more thing I want to add..

The Hebrews had courts and judged, but the priests decided he was guilty before even going to court. They didn't want the truth to come out in court, where evidence of scriptural fulfillment could be explained, they were certain he was evil and guilty of crimes even before trial. They sought witnesses to show that the words of Jesus didn't fit their understanding, or their agreement. It was a kangaroo court.

They lusted after control, (Jesus said they seek obedience from others and not the obedience from God), and those spirits are still around today in all the churches of every denomination without exception.
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Yes and Modern Christianity has nothing to do with Yeshua or his true teachings as they called it false doctrine to brainwash people and lead them away from it.
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Who did Jesus tell to 'worship' himself?
 Quoting: DGN



33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him”


“Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’”

9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78230975


Jesus said He is to be "honored".

1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me".
2. Jesus NEVER said "pray to / worship" a "trinity".
3. Jesus NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" NOR "worship Holy Spirit".
4. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father.
5. The Holy Spirit NEVER says "I am _______" or "you shall ________". Only Jesus and the Father say such.
----------------------------------------

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.


-----------------------------------------
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus

cried with a loud voice, saying,

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

-------------------------------------------
John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


-------------------------------------------
John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,


that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


You did not provide a verse of Jesus telling anyone to worship the Father.
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Because he never said a thing like that, Yeshua never said a word about "worship" as the true Source god demands nothing from anyone and no worship.
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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?
The Pharisees did not believe Jesus was the son of God and yet still we deny him as the son and have made him our God. The antichrist is the illusion so great that "it" will be used to spit out lukewarm "Christians" in so much that if it were possible even the very elect could be fooled. Taking the mark of the beast is the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Those who believe in the rapture, praying to saints and/or worship Jesus as God are in great danger of taking the mark. Believe Jesus and believe his Father sent him!

“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone".
–Jesus the Way
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Because Moses is their savior.
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That and they couldn't get past the "Jesus is God in the flesh" truth.
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Who did Jesus tell to 'worship' himself?
 Quoting: DGN



33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him”


“Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’”

9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78230975


Jesus said He is to be "honored".

1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me".
2. Jesus NEVER said "pray to / worship" a "trinity".
3. Jesus NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" NOR "worship Holy Spirit".
4. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father.
5. The Holy Spirit NEVER says "I am _______" or "you shall ________". Only Jesus and the Father say such.
----------------------------------------

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.


-----------------------------------------
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus

cried with a loud voice, saying,

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

-------------------------------------------
John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


-------------------------------------------
John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,


that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


Yeshua taught meditation as that is what Gnostics did.
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Lets be honest...

Would people accept a story like that today? heck no...

If some hippie looking savior dude started gathering all the youths and drop outs and lefties.. took them up into the hills for preaching and stuff and your kids were gone for days..

would you really be like heck yeah!!! Its the Savior!

Think about it from a real world perspective.
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He was teaching them the inner salvation meditation work they needed to do for inner salvation and to become just like him.
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Re: Why did the Hebrews reject, even oppose their own savior?
They did it for the same reasons

80 thousand out of the 400 thousand

Regected and hated Moses

For getting Pharoh to kick them out of Egypt

Reading the bible would shoe you this aspect op

Give it a read and see for yourself
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Moses was Pharoah Akhenaten but still got exiled for his monotheism.
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The Pharisees did not believe Jesus was the son of God and yet still we deny him as the son and have made him our God. The antichrist is the illusion so great that "it" will be used to spit out lukewarm "Christians" in so much that if it were possible even the very elect could be fooled. Taking the mark of the beast is the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Those who believe in the rapture, praying to saints and/or worship Jesus as God are in great danger of taking the mark. Believe Jesus and believe his Father sent him!

“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone".
–Jesus the Way
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Because Moses is their savior.
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No! Jesus was even before Abraham. Through Jesus all things were made through the Creator. Jesus was the first of creation. It is he that searches man's heart and soul.
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The Pharisees did not believe Jesus was the son of God and yet still we deny him as the son and have made him our God. The antichrist is the illusion so great that "it" will be used to spit out lukewarm "Christians" in so much that if it were possible even the very elect could be fooled. Taking the mark of the beast is the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Those who believe in the rapture, praying to saints and/or worship Jesus as God are in great danger of taking the mark. Believe Jesus and believe his Father sent him!

“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone".
–Jesus the Way
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1398360


Because Moses is their savior.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79088041


No! Jesus was even before Abraham. Through Jesus all things were made through the Creator. Jesus was the first of creation. It is he that searches man's heart and soul.
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Yes! All monotheism and abahramic religions came from Pharoah Akhenaten aka Moses. Life has existed for millions of years on Earth.





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