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I swear the news is the most insidious problem this country has.


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Thread: The Democrat Media Complex Is The Single Greatest Enemy Of American Freedom.
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In the USA, Wild Wild West we have something that will prevail eventually, SSS. Unfortunately.
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Re: White couple arrested for assault after pulling gun on black family during confrontation
So it is acceptable now for a black woman to threaten to beat his white ass?

So can whites now threaten to beat a black mans ass?

This world has gone mad.

An idiot can watch that video and clearly see who was in the right. The black family were racist and threatening.
The white couple had no choice, they did what they had to in order to get out of there.
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Take race out of the equation for once and look at it objectively, not with emotion but as subjects.

Both subjects contributed to and kept feeding the argument.
Subject A and B kept arguing and escalating.
Subject A did verbally threaten subject B, that is breaking the law.
Subject A did strike subject B's car, that is not a threat to oneself at that point but it is breaking the law.
Subject B did pull out a gun, which is a threat to Subject A.

Subject B would have been better off to keep backing up and driving away, even if she ran over Subject A.

When she exited the vehicle and pulled out a Gun, Subject B now also broke the law, because if she was truly in fear of her safety, she would have never exited the vehicle and would have ran them over.

Subject B could have called the cops once in her car and told Subject A that the cops are on the way.


Me?

I ignore loud and rude people and avoid confrontations with them. They are not worth my time or energy.


I have encountered plenty of rude and loud mouthed people and just keep walking.

I do carry, and if one of these people physically grab me, then I will open up on them.
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Not to be rude, but if you allow them to physically grab you, you'd better not try to pull your gun lest they take it from you and shoot YOU. To safely use a firearm you are supposed to maintain 6 feet of distance between you and your attacker if possible. Once they've physically got you, you're toast and just as likely if not more likely to be shot than they are if you try to pull a gun.
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It is a different world we live in now for sure.
My old man said they settled scores with a fist out behind the bar. Afterwards, the loser bought the winner a beer and kept his mouth shut.

Now everyone carries a gun, legally and illegally and many are quick to pull it out at the drop of a hat.

We have become a nation of wimps.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79023146

If I ever draw a pistol on someone they can bet their ass theyre shot.

You cannot use a weapon to enforce your will.

Only defend yourself against what a rational person would believe is a threat to their live. Saying they were black is not going to get you off.
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Re: White couple arrested for assault after pulling gun on black family during confrontation
So it is acceptable now for a black woman to threaten to beat his white ass?

So can whites now threaten to beat a black mans ass?

This world has gone mad.

An idiot can watch that video and clearly see who was in the right. The black family were racist and threatening.
The white couple had no choice, they did what they had to in order to get out of there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78798311


Take race out of the equation for once and look at it objectively, not with emotion but as subjects.

Both subjects contributed to and kept feeding the argument.
Subject A and B kept arguing and escalating.
Subject A did verbally threaten subject B, that is breaking the law.
Subject A did strike subject B's car, that is not a threat to oneself at that point but it is breaking the law.
Subject B did pull out a gun, which is a threat to Subject A.

Subject B would have been better off to keep backing up and driving away, even if she ran over Subject A.

When she exited the vehicle and pulled out a Gun, Subject B now also broke the law, because if she was truly in fear of her safety, she would have never exited the vehicle and would have ran them over.

Subject B could have called the cops once in her car and told Subject A that the cops are on the way.


Me?

I ignore loud and rude people and avoid confrontations with them. They are not worth my time or energy.


I have encountered plenty of rude and loud mouthed people and just keep walking.

I do carry, and if one of these people physically grab me, then I will open up on them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79023146


Not to be rude, but if you allow them to physically grab you, you'd better not try to pull your gun lest they take it from you and shoot YOU. To safely use a firearm you are supposed to maintain 6 feet of distance between you and your attacker if possible. Once they've physically got you, you're toast and just as likely if not more likely to be shot than they are if you try to pull a gun.
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Well, in most cases after getting attacked, unless from behind, you can back up enough distance to draw and fire.

There are countless videos to attest to this.
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NO, NO and NO. Read about the Tueller Drill.
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Take race out of the equation for once and look at it objectively, not with emotion but as subjects.

Both subjects contributed to and kept feeding the argument.
Subject A and B kept arguing and escalating.
Subject A did verbally threaten subject B, that is breaking the law.
Subject A did strike subject B's car, that is not a threat to oneself at that point but it is breaking the law.
Subject B did pull out a gun, which is a threat to Subject A.

Subject B would have been better off to keep backing up and driving away, even if she ran over Subject A.

When she exited the vehicle and pulled out a Gun, Subject B now also broke the law, because if she was truly in fear of her safety, she would have never exited the vehicle and would have ran them over.

Subject B could have called the cops once in her car and told Subject A that the cops are on the way.


Me?

I ignore loud and rude people and avoid confrontations with them. They are not worth my time or energy.


I have encountered plenty of rude and loud mouthed people and just keep walking.

I do carry, and if one of these people physically grab me, then I will open up on them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79023146


Not to be rude, but if you allow them to physically grab you, you'd better not try to pull your gun lest they take it from you and shoot YOU. To safely use a firearm you are supposed to maintain 6 feet of distance between you and your attacker if possible. Once they've physically got you, you're toast and just as likely if not more likely to be shot than they are if you try to pull a gun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77864301


Well, in most cases after getting attacked, unless from behind, you can back up enough distance to draw and fire.

There are countless videos to attest to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79023146


NO, NO and NO. Read about the Tueller Drill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77754718


The Tueller Drill is based on a hypothetical situation where the target has full intent to kill you.

The real world examples I have watched over and over are different where you have humans, not robots involved that pause after the first attack to see what your response is going to be.

Would you like to see these?
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Funny how all the Koshers and Kosher-Con shills come in and derail a good thread about the literal war on whites here into some smelly Rabbinical circle jerk of diversion.

Generation Cyclone sees you.
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Funny how all the Koshers and Kosher-Con shills come in and derail a good thread about the literal war on whites here into some smelly Rabbinical circle jerk of diversion.

Generation Cyclone sees you.
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these digits just don't lie

go for the brain and the rest will fall to pieces

hail victory
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Funny how all the Koshers and Kosher-Con shills come in and derail a good thread about the literal war on whites here into some smelly Rabbinical circle jerk of diversion.

Generation Cyclone sees you.
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these digits just don't lie

go for the brain and the rest will fall to pieces

hail victory
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Struggle. War. Victory. The 3 phases of ending this permanently.
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Re: White couple arrested for assault after pulling gun on black family during confrontation
Funny how all the Koshers and Kosher-Con shills come in and derail a good thread about the literal war on whites here into some smelly Rabbinical circle jerk of diversion.

Generation Cyclone sees you.
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these digits just don't lie

go for the brain and the rest will fall to pieces

hail victory
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Struggle. War. Victory. The 3 phases of ending this permanently.
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I agree with all 3 of you.
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This is such bullshit. They have turned off the comments for the article so I will vent here about my problems with it.

#1. They describe it as the woman "tapped" the back window of the vehicle. BULLSHIT, she hit it multiple times pretty hard.

#2. They neglect to say that the white woman in question is noticeably pregnant.

#3. They turned off the comments so no one can point out the way the article tries to sway opinion in favor of the blacks who started the confrontation.

I swear the news is the most insidious problem this country has.

I am so sick of seeing people being arrested for defending themselves while these lawless thugs get away scott free for so much worse.
 Quoting: Redneck hussy


This is the first time I managed to find this thread and have the time to reply to it.

Wow!! The white people in this video did everything correct from the get-go. They are completely innocent. The black people in this video are the most racist POSes I have seen in a while. The mother did in fact punch the back of the minivan pretty dang hard. Light taps do not cause a very loud popping sound that can easily be heard half way across the parking lot. We white people are very seriously being shoved harder and harder daily into an actual civil/race war in America.

All hell can break loose at any given time in America that can potentially spark the next all out civil war in America. I am not happy with this fact. I am not happy that anyone in America has to feel so fearful for their lives because virtually everything is stacked against we white people nationwide. The Mexicans have not done this BS to anyone, but to black people from what I have seen and heard of and about over the years. This is some of the most powerful gaslighting I have seen as well.
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Re: White couple arrested for assault after pulling gun on black family during confrontation
Take away the color of the people, the media and shit that is going on and look at it objectively like this.

2 women got in a heated argument inside a restaurant that they then carried outside until one of them pulled a gun and pointed it at the other.

Now do a search in the criminal database with color of the people ignored and it usually turns bad for the one that pulled the gun.

There was one case I came across where three people got in an argument, one got in his car and backed out and almost hit one of them. The one that was almost hit pulled out a gun and claimed self defense but it did not fly for him either. The car was already passed him when he pulled the gun.
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Based on my search, I would say she will be charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

There are tons of examples on the internet similar to this.
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This ,unfortunately she broke the law and will be going to jail. That’s why you should know your states laws . U guys love rule and law so such , we told u we were in police state.
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TV stations need to torn down if you get my drift .


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Well at some point the grid is going down.


And then...



well....
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Re: White couple arrested for assault after pulling gun on black family during confrontation
Dumb Black made sure to leap into path of car trying to leave . They were boxed in because angry Blacks and cell phones MUST GET VIRAL RACIST VIDEO AT ANY COST !

At this point NEVER ARGUE _JUST CLAM UP AND LEAVE QUICKLY ! '


U should see all the Black Hate on Twitter and how the video was edited out to show the blacks being the victims .


FUCKING INSANE !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77514991


Take race out of the equation and look at it objectively then do a google search for similar cases.

Two women get in a heated argument and one of them pulls a gun and points it at the other. What they are arguing about is completely irrelevant to the case. People argue about everything under the sun.
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It was not an argument, it was threating action being taken by the blacks. They followed them out to their car, thats intent... then they hammered on their car, THATS ASSAULT! Then they would not let them leave, thats Kidnapping and/or kidnapping or etc. I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a best Western INn last night!
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TV stations need to torn down if you get my drift .


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Well at some point the grid is going down.


And then...



well....
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When that happens these thugs will be cowering in there Section 8 apartments... this I guarenteeya!
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This is such bullshit. They have turned off the comments for the article so I will vent here about my problems with it.

#1. They describe it as the woman "tapped" the back window of the vehicle. BULLSHIT, she hit it multiple times pretty hard.

#2. They neglect to say that the white woman in question is noticeably pregnant.

#3. They turned off the comments so no one can point out the way the article tries to sway opinion in favor of the blacks who started the confrontation.

I swear the news is the most insidious problem this country has.

I am so sick of seeing people being arrested for defending themselves while these lawless thugs get away scott free for so much worse.
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I know, FOX is getting as bad as CNN & MSNBC!
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Funny how all the Koshers and Kosher-Con shills come in and derail a good thread about the literal war on whites here into some smelly Rabbinical circle jerk of diversion.

Generation Cyclone sees you.
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Muslims will get you first in the land of Trewdough
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Re: White couple arrested for assault after pulling gun on black family during confrontation
Dumb Black made sure to leap into path of car trying to leave . They were boxed in because angry Blacks and cell phones MUST GET VIRAL RACIST VIDEO AT ANY COST !

At this point NEVER ARGUE _JUST CLAM UP AND LEAVE QUICKLY ! '


U should see all the Black Hate on Twitter and how the video was edited out to show the blacks being the victims .


FUCKING INSANE !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77514991


Take race out of the equation and look at it objectively then do a google search for similar cases.

Two women get in a heated argument and one of them pulls a gun and points it at the other. What they are arguing about is completely irrelevant to the case. People argue about everything under the sun.
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It was not an argument, it was threating action being taken by the blacks. They followed them out to their car, thats intent... then they hammered on their car, THATS ASSAULT! Then they would not let them leave, thats Kidnapping and/or kidnapping or etc. I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a best Western INn last night!
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No, it is damage to private property, not assault.
Learn the difference and get a spell checker while you are at it. No where in the video did the subject physically touch the women.

You need to learn the laws of the land.

From some law offices:


Deadly force can’t be used just because someone verbally threatens you. You also can’t provoke the person first and then claim a deadly force justification defense.

Basically, you can’t point a gun or shoot someone just because they insult you, and you can’t pick a fight with your weapon (ie: pull it on someone first) and then claim a deadly force justification defense after they attack you.

Plus, if the person who attacks you tries to retreat to a point where you are no longer in danger, you can’t chase them and shoot them.
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Dumb Black made sure to leap into path of car trying to leave . They were boxed in because angry Blacks and cell phones MUST GET VIRAL RACIST VIDEO AT ANY COST !

At this point NEVER ARGUE _JUST CLAM UP AND LEAVE QUICKLY ! '


U should see all the Black Hate on Twitter and how the video was edited out to show the blacks being the victims .


FUCKING INSANE !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77514991


Take race out of the equation and look at it objectively then do a google search for similar cases.

Two women get in a heated argument and one of them pulls a gun and points it at the other. What they are arguing about is completely irrelevant to the case. People argue about everything under the sun.
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I only saw one woman have a heated argument and the other woman apologizing and trying to get away.
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What a choice... Eh?

Defend yourself from multiple Neegrows and go to jail, or don't defend yourself from people known for viscous attacks and head-stomps while you're unconscious.
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Dumb Black made sure to leap into path of car trying to leave . They were boxed in because angry Blacks and cell phones MUST GET VIRAL RACIST VIDEO AT ANY COST !

At this point NEVER ARGUE _JUST CLAM UP AND LEAVE QUICKLY ! '


U should see all the Black Hate on Twitter and how the video was edited out to show the blacks being the victims .


FUCKING INSANE !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77514991


Take race out of the equation and look at it objectively then do a google search for similar cases.

Two women get in a heated argument and one of them pulls a gun and points it at the other. What they are arguing about is completely irrelevant to the case. People argue about everything under the sun.
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norespect

You CAN'T "take race out of the equation" because that is what is DRIVING this hatred, as demonstrated by the words of the Black women in this video.

Race hatred from Blacks is causing EXTREME violence, or are you completely OBLIVIOUS to that?

Gotta love it, when a total imbecile like you tries to present themselves as an "intellectual" or the "voice of reason".

STFU, and pull your idiot head out.
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Dumb Black made sure to leap into path of car trying to leave . They were boxed in because angry Blacks and cell phones MUST GET VIRAL RACIST VIDEO AT ANY COST !

At this point NEVER ARGUE _JUST CLAM UP AND LEAVE QUICKLY ! '


U should see all the Black Hate on Twitter and how the video was edited out to show the blacks being the victims .


FUCKING INSANE !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77514991


Take race out of the equation and look at it objectively then do a google search for similar cases.

Two women get in a heated argument and one of them pulls a gun and points it at the other. What they are arguing about is completely irrelevant to the case. People argue about everything under the sun.
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It was not an argument, it was threating action being taken by the blacks. They followed them out to their car, thats intent... then they hammered on their car, THATS ASSAULT! Then they would not let them leave, thats Kidnapping and/or kidnapping or etc. I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a best Western INn last night!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78201842



No, it is damage to private property, not assault.
Learn the difference and get a spell checker while you are at it. No where in the video did the subject physically touch the women.

You need to learn the laws of the land.

From some law offices:


Deadly force can’t be used just because someone verbally threatens you. You also can’t provoke the person first and then claim a deadly force justification defense.

Basically, you can’t point a gun or shoot someone just because they insult you, and you can’t pick a fight with your weapon (ie: pull it on someone first) and then claim a deadly force justification defense after they attack you.

Plus, if the person who attacks you tries to retreat to a point where you are no longer in danger, you can’t chase them and shoot them.
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I'd love to hear your point by point going through this video regarding every illegal action taken.
EVERY illegal action. You do that and then I'll tell you what color I am, bitch.
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You CAN'T "take race out of the equation" because that is
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I stopped reading at this point because you are feeding into the state narrative driving a wedge between us.


You are welcome to expend your energy and feed into it, but I wont.
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Dumb Black made sure to leap into path of car trying to leave . They were boxed in because angry Blacks and cell phones MUST GET VIRAL RACIST VIDEO AT ANY COST !

At this point NEVER ARGUE _JUST CLAM UP AND LEAVE QUICKLY ! '


U should see all the Black Hate on Twitter and how the video was edited out to show the blacks being the victims .


FUCKING INSANE !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77514991


Take race out of the equation and look at it objectively then do a google search for similar cases.

Two women get in a heated argument and one of them pulls a gun and points it at the other. What they are arguing about is completely irrelevant to the case. People argue about everything under the sun.
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norespect

You CAN'T "take race out of the equation" because that is what is DRIVING this hatred, as demonstrated by the words of the Black women in this video.

Race hatred from Blacks is causing EXTREME violence, or are you completely OBLIVIOUS to that?

Gotta love it, when a total imbecile like you tries to present themselves as an "intellectual" or the "voice of reason".

STFU, and pull your idiot head out.
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You can be subjective and emotionless about it.
Bringing your emotions into is the liberal way of doing things. I don't care about the feelings.
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Re: White couple arrested for assault after pulling gun on black family during confrontation
Why was the husband, Eric, arrested, the video did not show him do anything illegal.
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I thought the same thing. I don't see that he has any involvement other than being threatened by the black woman, which should be a hate crime assault charge against her.

Is their angle that he is an accomplice because he drove the car?
 Quoting: Constant Parad0x


Their angle is because he's white.

They're setting precedent to prosecute us for our skin color.
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Not really debating that but what exactly did they charge him with? I didn't see the actual charges in any of the articles I read.
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Sadly, I think things will continue their downward spiral until the defense moves from display to use of a firearm and then it will all break loose.
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Re: White couple arrested for assault after pulling gun on black family during confrontation
They are both a bunchy of tossers.

Apparently the White woman bumped into the daughter but didn't say anything. I know it's easy for armchair quarterbacks out there to grandstand about "just leave it alone/move on," but I guarantee if someone in public ran into them and didn't offer a simple "excuse me" they'd be livid.

Instead of apologizing the woman says nothing and in fact escalates it by acting out. Then the daughter involves the mother and escalates it from there.

And the Black woman and her daughter escalated the situation by blocking the car and then smacking it leaving a hand imprint. Does that require the White woman to get out of her car and point a gun? She should have just called the cops at that point.



Michigan's Self Defense Law


(1) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses deadly force may use deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if either of the following applies:
(a) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or imminent great bodily harm to himself or herself or to another individual.
(b) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent sexual assault of himself or herself or of another individual.
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When did saying nothing become an escalation?

I would be pissed if someone bumped into me without apologizing but following people to their car, video taping, and publishing? Kinda sounds like they were just looking for a fight.

I've lived in a majority black city and a certain faction walks around all the time with a chip on their shoulder and they're constantly screaming racism. Based on the footage we do have, I'd say that's exactly the type we are dealing with here.
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Think hard before you pull that ace.
On the other hand, I have different fingers.
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They are both a bunchy of tossers.

Apparently the White woman bumped into the daughter but didn't say anything. I know it's easy for armchair quarterbacks out there to grandstand about "just leave it alone/move on," but I guarantee if someone in public ran into them and didn't offer a simple "excuse me" they'd be livid.

Instead of apologizing the woman says nothing and in fact escalates it by acting out. Then the daughter involves the mother and escalates it from there.

And the Black woman and her daughter escalated the situation by blocking the car and then smacking it leaving a hand imprint. Does that require the White woman to get out of her car and point a gun? She should have just called the cops at that point.



Michigan's Self Defense Law


(1) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses deadly force may use deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if either of the following applies:
(a) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or imminent great bodily harm to himself or herself or to another individual.
(b) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent sexual assault of himself or herself or of another individual.
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Didn't read the law before... so Michigan *IS* a duty to retreat state, just like I thought. The only loophole here is you may shoot if being shot at, basically.

In a stand your ground/castle doctrine state, you don't need to retreat at all. If you feel threatened, you may shoot. Applies to car and home and place of business, if you own it.
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Sadly, I think things will continue their downward spiral until the defense moves from display to use of a firearm and then it will all break loose.
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Yea, it looks to be headed that way because people are feeding the monster.

The CIA, Military Strategists and Think Tanks will do the same thing in countries they wish to invade. They plant the seeds of unrest and human stupidity does the rest.

It is not much different than people buying Cheap Chinese Junk so Wall Street can get richer and then wondering where all the jobs went.
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This is such bullshit. They have turned off the comments for the article so I will vent here about my problems with it.

#1. They describe it as the woman "tapped" the back window of the vehicle. BULLSHIT, she hit it multiple times pretty hard.

#2. They neglect to say that the white woman in question is noticeably pregnant.

#3. They turned off the comments so no one can point out the way the article tries to sway opinion in favor of the blacks who started the confrontation.

I swear the news is the most insidious problem this country has.

I am so sick of seeing people being arrested for defending themselves while these lawless thugs get away scott free for so much worse.
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Unfortunately they live in California. There is no way that both of them will not be charged for something. The woman herself will be charged and thrown in prison for sure. They will make an example of her.

Because in Commifornia they hate that you can have guns, so they pretty much let you have them (for now) but absolutely throw the book at you of you break the law with one. Shit, if you even look at your firearm out of the corner of your eye during a defensive situation they might give you life in prison. Meanwhile, they slowly erode what you can own down as much as possible.

This is why I carry a few defensive options for situations like this (and I live in a red state mind you). Hardcore pepper spray, heavy unbreakable baseball bat, small combat knife and, of course, my pistol. I will use the nonlethal first to defend myself... the pepper spray in particular is always fun. Feel threatened? Spray that bitch and everything is over.

Someone gets out of their car or comes at your car with the intention to do harm? Step outside with a baseball bat and start whistling. Are you drawn Into a fight and they somehow pulled away your baseball bat and are going to attack you with it? Well, I personally would go for the pocket combat knife and the kill, but if you are old or sickly or cant fight, then you transition to your firearm.. Because now they have a weapon and are threatening you with it, blast em (unless you live in a blue state).

Of course, you can also use a deployable taser. But usually they get hooked up on clothing and dont get good skin contact and I find them useless (and hugely expensive). Contact tasers can be good but you have to be in knife or fist range, and if it comes to that I would rather make someone bleed with my knife or shit their brains out their ass with the baseball bat. Don’t get into melee range if you have your pistol on you and don’t know how to fight, if they get that gun off of you then you are probably dead.

Last resort is my pistol. Its a cheap (400 dollar) 9mm Beretta. Has never failed me once at the range no matter what ammo I use in it. However, I carry 147grain hollow points interspaced with 127grain hollow points (I am accustomed to the recoil change from practice). If I pull and use my pistol, you are dead and gone. When they take away my pistol to investigate the shooting, I wont mind because its a cheap little carry gun. I will also have tried using different means of non lethal self defense against you and you continued to escalate the situation to the point where I had no choice but to violently end your life. This will all be shown in court if it ever goes that far.

Show the world that you didnt WANT to kill the person, you were just using your tools in self defense and trying to get away from the situation but they wouldnt let you... until they left you no choice but to deploy your firearm.

However, and honestly, a small can of pepper spray that you can activate and hold hidden in your hand or in your pocket is the most effective solution against pissed off people wanting to fight you. Soon as they come up on you spray them in the face, spray their friends, their dog, their cat, their sister.. just spray away. Situation diffused.





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