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Dr. Rick Loftus, MD wrote on 07/02/20:

I'm in a hotspot hospital in a hotspot region (Coachella Valley, Inland Empire, CA). We just converted the entire second floor of our hospital to COVID-19 care yesterday, July 1. We have 65 inpatients with COVID-19 in a hospital with 368 beds. It is the same at our other 2 hospitals in the Valley. We spent yesterday deciding the ethical way to divide up limited remdesivir (30 patients' worth) for the hospital patients. My 20 incoming interns for our IM resident were exposed to COVID 2 weeks ago during their computer chart training; apparently 100% of our computer trainers had COVID19. One intern tested positive 7 days later and I insisted we re-test them all again, as there are almost certainly other cases with minimal symptoms. I raided my household and took my entire supply of face shields to the hospital for the residents to wear on their first day, and I paid $1000 of my own money to equip all of my residents with medical-grade face shields. I require all residents to wear a surgical mask or N95 with face shield if they are within 6 week of another human, patient or coworker.Roughly 20% of our inpatients die. Only 30% of our ventilated patients survive. (We try to avoid ventilation at all costs. Some people insist on being full code and decompensate despite high flow with face mask, proning, dexamethasone, antibiotics, and a cocktail of famotidine, zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, NAC, and melatonin--we throw everything we can at each case, so long as it won't hurt them.)My administrative assistant, who sits adjacent to the interns, just went home with COVID symptoms. Her test is pending.In the Southwest, we are experiencing catastrophic exponential growth. I have had multiple families--siblings, parent-child, spouses--admitted with COVID-19. I had a 31 year old come in satting 78% on room air; he had been sequestering himself in his bedroom for a week to avoid infecting his elderly parents, with whom he lived. His sister, the only person he saw outside his immediate household in the 10 days prior to onset of fever, cough, and dyspnea, had also had fevers but had tested "negative" at our other large hospital so he thought it was safe to visit her. (Sigh. The Quest PCR test is about 80% sensitive, we think--it had emergency approval to sensitivity data was not required. The Cepheid rapid COVID PCR test is 98.5% sensitive but is in short supply due to limited reagent availability.)I'm glad some of you are sheltered from what unbridled COVID-19 looks like. It's a hell show. This is *July*. What do you think my hospital will look like in winter?...This is real. Doctors in places with proper public health responses will see few cases in their hospitals--like UCSF--but let me tell you something: The laws of physics and biology don't change. If you're in an unaffected region, an introduction and poor governance and low use of physical distancing and masks will give you an exponential increase in no time flat (i.e. 2-4 weeks). That's pandemic math. And 20% of the population infected needs a hospital. You *will* run out of beds with an unbridled pandemic. There is almost ZERO pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV-2. There may be some "priming" of T-cell responses due to exposure to other "benign" beta-coronaviruses, but we have no idea if that explains the 20-40% of people who seem to get minimal symptoms. Asymptomatic infected persons, however, can, and do, spread COVID to those who die from it.By the way: I've seen scary looking CT scans of the lungs that look like terrible interstitial pneumonia in a patient who had ZERO symptoms and SaO2 94% on room air. She came in for palpitations and the intern overnight got a chest CT for cardiac reasons. We didn't know it was COVID until her test came back 36 hours later. So "asymptomatic" does NOT mean "no biological activity." The virus replicates furiously in people who feel fine. Kids can spread this as easily as grown ups, even if they feel okay.Related: I've talked to two previously healthy patients ages 32 and 44 who are 3 and 4 months, respectively, post their acute COVID. They continue to have cough, nightsweats, fever, fatigue. How many survivors have "post-COVID syndrome"? We don't know. Less than 20% but we're not sure. I've asked my hospital to allow me to establish a post-COVID clinic to care for and study survivors. Both NIH and UW are planning similar efforts based on my dialogues with them.Autopsies show anoxic brain injury in many patients who died of COVID, not to mention microthrombi throughout the lungs and megakaryocytes in massive infiltrations in their hearts and other organs. People get heart failure, lung fibrosis, and permanent kidney injury from COVID-19. This is a disease of the vascular systems, and it can affect any organ, with lungs and kidneys being especially at risk.In early May, thanks to lockdown, our census of 55 came down to 10 COVID cases, and for a brief moment, I actually had hope that the worst nightmares I had about COVID, as a biohazard virology-trained hospitalist, would not come to pass. Then we re-opened, without test/trace/isolate systems anywhere close to adequate. Eight weeks ago my county decided to make masks "optional," despite 125 doctors begging them not to do that. Now we're worse than we were in April. And it's getting worse every day.You wanna see if COVID is real? Come walk on my COVID ward with me. It's real. Hearing people talk about it as if it's an exaggeration is, well, rage-inducing, honestly. Denial is the most common reaction to a pandemic. Denial is how the US will wind up with 1.1 million deaths instead of 30,000. I saw AIDS denialists get killed by their belief that HIV "isn't real, it's a pharma conspiracy of the medical industrial complex." Yeah, right, if you say so. I watched patients with those beliefs die.The hardest part about this is, every new case I treat exposes me. I have assiduous hot zone technique. But no technique is bulletproof. If you keep exposing me to case after case, eventually, the virus will get through my defenses. I'm a 50 year old hypertensive. I don't expect to do well if I get infected. For now, I keep going to work. I'm one of the few pushing forward on COVID clinical trials, basic science, public health messaging, and diagnostic studies at my hospital. I feel a responsibility to keep going. I wake up with nightmares every morning at 4am. But I'm going to keep going for now. I feel very alone a lot of the time. People are not taking this seriously, and it's costing lives. -R

“Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after a pandemic will seem inadequate. This is the dilemma we face, but it should not stop us from doing what we can to prepare. We need to reach out to everyone with words that inform, but not inflame. We need to encourage everyone to prepare, but not panic." — Michael O. Leavitt, 2007
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Crisis actor playing the role of a fucking quack.

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You are sick f*ck shill for Satan.

COVID is A HOAX SCAM is just the harmless fcuking common cold!

The DEATHS in CHINA were due to ENERGY WEAPONS used to KILL their own 20 million + population!

HIV/AIDS is A HOAX SCAM! Research it!

HIV antibody tests are said to be invalid because anyone can test HIV positive, people who do test positive do not develop AIDS, and there are people who develop AIDS who have never tested HIV positive (Kalichman, 2009). AIDS denialism rejects HIV treatments as toxic poisons that do more harm than good.

You OP have been brainwashed by Deep State Swamp Demonrat Satanists who want to wipe out ALL mankind who are made in GODS IMAGE and remake them in SATANS image!

Wake the fuck up dickhead!
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You have simply got to be the most moronic poster I have ever seen on glp.
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It's real. I have a close friend who is a doctor as well as a relative who works ad a hospital administrator. Both good men who I trust completely. I think the real question should be is the virus overhyped and being used for an agenda... The answer to that question is of course yes.
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It may be real, but that don't mean its going
to kill everybody. People get sick all the
time and don't die because they take medicine
to get rid of it.
If you get the covid virus, get some medicine
and take care of it. Plain and simple, right ?
Screw the government and take care of your own
problem. Its just a damned virus. Kill it and
get on with your life.
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You are sick f*ck shill for Satan.

COVID is A HOAX SCAM is just the harmless fcuking common cold!

The DEATHS in CHINA were due to ENERGY WEAPONS used to KILL their own 20 million + population!

HIV/AIDS is A HOAX SCAM! Research it!

HIV antibody tests are said to be invalid because anyone can test HIV positive, people who do test positive do not develop AIDS, and there are people who develop AIDS who have never tested HIV positive (Kalichman, 2009). AIDS denialism rejects HIV treatments as toxic poisons that do more harm than good.

You OP have been brainwashed by Deep State Swamp Demonrat Satanists who want to wipe out ALL mankind who are made in GODS IMAGE and remake them in SATANS image!

Wake the fuck up dickhead!
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Are you for real? You must have typed that from a padded wall room in a psychiatric hospital. Did you get your meds tonight? Can’t argue science and common with crazy, which you obviously are.
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Cool story, bro.
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Only you can stop the fake pandemic for yourself, no one will ever tell you the pandemic is over. It's time to WIN.
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It may be real, but that don't mean its going
to kill everybody. People get sick all the
time and don't die because they take medicine
to get rid of it.
If you get the covid virus, get some medicine
and take care of it. Plain and simple, right ?
Screw the government and take care of your own
problem. Its just a damned virus. Kill it and
get on with your life.
 Quoting: jimmyrigger

Most people now see Covid is real, but still believe it is not as deadly as it is being presented. No need to argue death rate, it’s not my point. The hospitalizations however are on the rise and when you are admitted into the hospital for Covid, they will be placing a catheter up your privates.

You when you are out partying and around lots of people, just picture that wonderful imagine of a giant tube shoved up your dick and a constant desire to pull it out because how uncomfortable it feels. And imagine a persistent burning sensation whenever you piss, that remains with you for the rest of your life. As well, as a higher risk of now getting a UTI, all because a tube had to be stuck up your penis hole due to you needing to go the hospital from catching a virus based on total ignorance.
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Crisis actor playing the role of a fucking quack.

That is all.
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You have simply got to be the most moronic poster I have ever seen on glp.
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Cool story, bro.
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Call up that hospital and inquire yourself. Seriously, call this hospital in Coachella Valley (there is probably only 1 or possibly 2 hospitals at most) and ask if what this doctor is saying is true. Ask if that hospitals capacity is full right now because it has so many sick covid patients.

Tell the person answering the phone you think this virus is not real and would like confirmation. Ask to speak to a nurse, an admin, or even a doctor. They will confirm what this doctor is saying.

Don’t just say this virus is fake because you have not gotten it yourself or know anyone who has had it yet or you read some fake crap on the internet. Do some firsthand investigation. This is your fucking opportunity!!!!
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Crisis actor playing the role of a fucking quack.

That is all.
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Call up that hospital and inquire yourself. Seriously, call this hospital in Coachella Valley (there is probably only 1 or possibly 2 hospitals at most) and ask if what this doctor is saying is true. Ask if that hospitals capacity is full right now because it has so many sick covid patients.

Tell the person answering the phone you think this virus is not real and would like confirmation. Ask to speak to a nurse, an admin, or even a doctor. They will confirm what this doctor is saying.

Don’t just say this virus is fake because you have not gotten it yourself or know anyone who has had it yet or you read some fake crap on the internet. Do some firsthand investigation. This is your fucking opportunity!!!!
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It may be real, but that don't mean its going
to kill everybody. People get sick all the
time and don't die because they take medicine
to get rid of it.
If you get the covid virus, get some medicine
and take care of it. Plain and simple, right ?
Screw the government and take care of your own
problem. Its just a damned virus. Kill it and
get on with your life.
 Quoting: jimmyrigger

Most people now see Covid is real, but still believe it is not as deadly as it is being presented. No need to argue death rate, it’s not my point. The hospitalizations however are on the rise and when you are admitted into the hospital for Covid, they will be placing a catheter up your privates.

You when you are out partying and around lots of people, just picture that wonderful imagine of a giant tube shoved up your dick and a constant desire to pull it out because how uncomfortable it feels. And imagine a persistent burning sensation whenever you piss, that remains with you for the rest of your life. As well, as a higher risk of now getting a UTI, all because a tube had to be stuck up your penis hole due to you needing to go the hospital from catching a virus based on total ignorance.
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Dr. Rick Loftus, MD wrote on 07/02/20:

I'm in a hotspot hospital in a hotspot region (Coachella Valley, Inland Empire, CA). We just converted the entire second floor of our hospital to COVID-19 care yesterday, July 1. We have 65 inpatients with COVID-19 in a hospital with 368 beds. It is the same at our other 2 hospitals in the Valley. We spent yesterday deciding the ethical way to divide up limited remdesivir (30 patients' worth) for the hospital patients. My 20 incoming interns for our IM resident were exposed to COVID 2 weeks ago during their computer chart training; apparently 100% of our computer trainers had COVID19. One intern tested positive 7 days later and I insisted we re-test them all again, as there are almost certainly other cases with minimal symptoms. I raided my household and took my entire supply of face shields to the hospital for the residents to wear on their first day, and I paid $1000 of my own money to equip all of my residents with medical-grade face shields. I require all residents to wear a surgical mask or N95 with face shield if they are within 6 week of another human, patient or coworker.Roughly 20% of our inpatients die. Only 30% of our ventilated patients survive. (We try to avoid ventilation at all costs. Some people insist on being full code and decompensate despite high flow with face mask, proning, dexamethasone, antibiotics, and a cocktail of famotidine, zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, NAC, and melatonin--we throw everything we can at each case, so long as it won't hurt them.)My administrative assistant, who sits adjacent to the interns, just went home with COVID symptoms. Her test is pending.In the Southwest, we are experiencing catastrophic exponential growth. I have had multiple families--siblings, parent-child, spouses--admitted with COVID-19. I had a 31 year old come in satting 78% on room air; he had been sequestering himself in his bedroom for a week to avoid infecting his elderly parents, with whom he lived. His sister, the only person he saw outside his immediate household in the 10 days prior to onset of fever, cough, and dyspnea, had also had fevers but had tested "negative" at our other large hospital so he thought it was safe to visit her. (Sigh. The Quest PCR test is about 80% sensitive, we think--it had emergency approval to sensitivity data was not required. The Cepheid rapid COVID PCR test is 98.5% sensitive but is in short supply due to limited reagent availability.)I'm glad some of you are sheltered from what unbridled COVID-19 looks like. It's a hell show. This is *July*. What do you think my hospital will look like in winter?...This is real. Doctors in places with proper public health responses will see few cases in their hospitals--like UCSF--but let me tell you something: The laws of physics and biology don't change. If you're in an unaffected region, an introduction and poor governance and low use of physical distancing and masks will give you an exponential increase in no time flat (i.e. 2-4 weeks). That's pandemic math. And 20% of the population infected needs a hospital. You *will* run out of beds with an unbridled pandemic. There is almost ZERO pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV-2. There may be some "priming" of T-cell responses due to exposure to other "benign" beta-coronaviruses, but we have no idea if that explains the 20-40% of people who seem to get minimal symptoms. Asymptomatic infected persons, however, can, and do, spread COVID to those who die from it.By the way: I've seen scary looking CT scans of the lungs that look like terrible interstitial pneumonia in a patient who had ZERO symptoms and SaO2 94% on room air. She came in for palpitations and the intern overnight got a chest CT for cardiac reasons. We didn't know it was COVID until her test came back 36 hours later. So "asymptomatic" does NOT mean "no biological activity." The virus replicates furiously in people who feel fine. Kids can spread this as easily as grown ups, even if they feel okay.Related: I've talked to two previously healthy patients ages 32 and 44 who are 3 and 4 months, respectively, post their acute COVID. They continue to have cough, nightsweats, fever, fatigue. How many survivors have "post-COVID syndrome"? We don't know. Less than 20% but we're not sure. I've asked my hospital to allow me to establish a post-COVID clinic to care for and study survivors. Both NIH and UW are planning similar efforts based on my dialogues with them.Autopsies show anoxic brain injury in many patients who died of COVID, not to mention microthrombi throughout the lungs and megakaryocytes in massive infiltrations in their hearts and other organs. People get heart failure, lung fibrosis, and permanent kidney injury from COVID-19. This is a disease of the vascular systems, and it can affect any organ, with lungs and kidneys being especially at risk.In early May, thanks to lockdown, our census of 55 came down to 10 COVID cases, and for a brief moment, I actually had hope that the worst nightmares I had about COVID, as a biohazard virology-trained hospitalist, would not come to pass. Then we re-opened, without test/trace/isolate systems anywhere close to adequate. Eight weeks ago my county decided to make masks "optional," despite 125 doctors begging them not to do that. Now we're worse than we were in April. And it's getting worse every day.You wanna see if COVID is real? Come walk on my COVID ward with me. It's real. Hearing people talk about it as if it's an exaggeration is, well, rage-inducing, honestly. Denial is the most common reaction to a pandemic. Denial is how the US will wind up with 1.1 million deaths instead of 30,000. I saw AIDS denialists get killed by their belief that HIV "isn't real, it's a pharma conspiracy of the medical industrial complex." Yeah, right, if you say so. I watched patients with those beliefs die.The hardest part about this is, every new case I treat exposes me. I have assiduous hot zone technique. But no technique is bulletproof. If you keep exposing me to case after case, eventually, the virus will get through my defenses. I'm a 50 year old hypertensive. I don't expect to do well if I get infected. For now, I keep going to work. I'm one of the few pushing forward on COVID clinical trials, basic science, public health messaging, and diagnostic studies at my hospital. I feel a responsibility to keep going. I wake up with nightmares every morning at 4am. But I'm going to keep going for now. I feel very alone a lot of the time. People are not taking this seriously, and it's costing lives. -R

“Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after a pandemic will seem inadequate. This is the dilemma we face, but it should not stop us from doing what we can to prepare. We need to reach out to everyone with words that inform, but not inflame. We need to encourage everyone to prepare, but not panic." — Michael O. Leavitt, 2007
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It may be real, but that don't mean its going
to kill everybody. People get sick all the
time and don't die because they take medicine
to get rid of it.
If you get the covid virus, get some medicine
and take care of it. Plain and simple, right ?
Screw the government and take care of your own
problem. Its just a damned virus. Kill it and
get on with your life.
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Most people now see Covid is real, but still believe it is not as deadly as it is being presented. No need to argue death rate, it’s not my point. The hospitalizations however are on the rise and when you are admitted into the hospital for Covid, they will be placing a catheter up your privates.

You when you are out partying and around lots of people, just picture that wonderful imagine of a giant tube shoved up your dick and a constant desire to pull it out because how uncomfortable it feels. And imagine a persistent burning sensation whenever you piss, that remains with you for the rest of your life. As well, as a higher risk of now getting a UTI, all because a tube had to be stuck up your penis hole due to you needing to go the hospital from catching a virus based on total ignorance.
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Take a moment and try not to be a stupid ignorant asshole. This take a little more effort then click a lazy BS flag, that took zero thought.

Call up that hospital and inquire yourself. Seriously, call this hospital in Coachella Valley (there is probably only 1 or possibly 2 hospitals at most) and ask if what this doctor is saying is true. Ask if that hospitals capacity is full right now because it has so many sick covid patients.

Tell the person answering the phone you think this virus is not real and would like confirmation. Ask to speak to a nurse, an admin, or even a doctor. They will confirm what this doctor is saying.

Don’t just say this virus is fake because you have not gotten it yourself or know anyone who has had it yet or you read some fake crap on the internet. Do some firsthand investigation. This is your fucking opportunity!!!!
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Dr. Rick Loftus, MD wrote on 07/02/20:

I'm in a hotspot hospital in a hotspot region (Coachella Valley, Inland Empire, CA). We just converted the entire second floor of our hospital to COVID-19 care yesterday, July 1. We have 65 inpatients with COVID-19 in a hospital with 368 beds. It is the same at our other 2 hospitals in the Valley. We spent yesterday deciding the ethical way to divide up limited remdesivir (30 patients' worth) for the hospital patients. My 20 incoming interns for our IM resident were exposed to COVID 2 weeks ago during their computer chart training; apparently 100% of our computer trainers had COVID19. One intern tested positive 7 days later and I insisted we re-test them all again, as there are almost certainly other cases with minimal symptoms. I raided my household and took my entire supply of face shields to the hospital for the residents to wear on their first day, and I paid $1000 of my own money to equip all of my residents with medical-grade face shields. I require all residents to wear a surgical mask or N95 with face shield if they are within 6 week of another human, patient or coworker.Roughly 20% of our inpatients die. Only 30% of our ventilated patients survive. (We try to avoid ventilation at all costs. Some people insist on being full code and decompensate despite high flow with face mask, proning, dexamethasone, antibiotics, and a cocktail of famotidine, zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, NAC, and melatonin--we throw everything we can at each case, so long as it won't hurt them.)My administrative assistant, who sits adjacent to the interns, just went home with COVID symptoms. Her test is pending.In the Southwest, we are experiencing catastrophic exponential growth. I have had multiple families--siblings, parent-child, spouses--admitted with COVID-19. I had a 31 year old come in satting 78% on room air; he had been sequestering himself in his bedroom for a week to avoid infecting his elderly parents, with whom he lived. His sister, the only person he saw outside his immediate household in the 10 days prior to onset of fever, cough, and dyspnea, had also had fevers but had tested "negative" at our other large hospital so he thought it was safe to visit her. (Sigh. The Quest PCR test is about 80% sensitive, we think--it had emergency approval to sensitivity data was not required. The Cepheid rapid COVID PCR test is 98.5% sensitive but is in short supply due to limited reagent availability.)I'm glad some of you are sheltered from what unbridled COVID-19 looks like. It's a hell show. This is *July*. What do you think my hospital will look like in winter?...This is real. Doctors in places with proper public health responses will see few cases in their hospitals--like UCSF--but let me tell you something: The laws of physics and biology don't change. If you're in an unaffected region, an introduction and poor governance and low use of physical distancing and masks will give you an exponential increase in no time flat (i.e. 2-4 weeks). That's pandemic math. And 20% of the population infected needs a hospital. You *will* run out of beds with an unbridled pandemic. There is almost ZERO pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV-2. There may be some "priming" of T-cell responses due to exposure to other "benign" beta-coronaviruses, but we have no idea if that explains the 20-40% of people who seem to get minimal symptoms. Asymptomatic infected persons, however, can, and do, spread COVID to those who die from it.By the way: I've seen scary looking CT scans of the lungs that look like terrible interstitial pneumonia in a patient who had ZERO symptoms and SaO2 94% on room air. She came in for palpitations and the intern overnight got a chest CT for cardiac reasons. We didn't know it was COVID until her test came back 36 hours later. So "asymptomatic" does NOT mean "no biological activity." The virus replicates furiously in people who feel fine. Kids can spread this as easily as grown ups, even if they feel okay.Related: I've talked to two previously healthy patients ages 32 and 44 who are 3 and 4 months, respectively, post their acute COVID. They continue to have cough, nightsweats, fever, fatigue. How many survivors have "post-COVID syndrome"? We don't know. Less than 20% but we're not sure. I've asked my hospital to allow me to establish a post-COVID clinic to care for and study survivors. Both NIH and UW are planning similar efforts based on my dialogues with them.Autopsies show anoxic brain injury in many patients who died of COVID, not to mention microthrombi throughout the lungs and megakaryocytes in massive infiltrations in their hearts and other organs. People get heart failure, lung fibrosis, and permanent kidney injury from COVID-19. This is a disease of the vascular systems, and it can affect any organ, with lungs and kidneys being especially at risk.In early May, thanks to lockdown, our census of 55 came down to 10 COVID cases, and for a brief moment, I actually had hope that the worst nightmares I had about COVID, as a biohazard virology-trained hospitalist, would not come to pass. Then we re-opened, without test/trace/isolate systems anywhere close to adequate. Eight weeks ago my county decided to make masks "optional," despite 125 doctors begging them not to do that. Now we're worse than we were in April. And it's getting worse every day.You wanna see if COVID is real? Come walk on my COVID ward with me. It's real. Hearing people talk about it as if it's an exaggeration is, well, rage-inducing, honestly. Denial is the most common reaction to a pandemic. Denial is how the US will wind up with 1.1 million deaths instead of 30,000. I saw AIDS denialists get killed by their belief that HIV "isn't real, it's a pharma conspiracy of the medical industrial complex." Yeah, right, if you say so. I watched patients with those beliefs die.The hardest part about this is, every new case I treat exposes me. I have assiduous hot zone technique. But no technique is bulletproof. If you keep exposing me to case after case, eventually, the virus will get through my defenses. I'm a 50 year old hypertensive. I don't expect to do well if I get infected. For now, I keep going to work. I'm one of the few pushing forward on COVID clinical trials, basic science, public health messaging, and diagnostic studies at my hospital. I feel a responsibility to keep going. I wake up with nightmares every morning at 4am. But I'm going to keep going for now. I feel very alone a lot of the time. People are not taking this seriously, and it's costing lives. -R

“Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after a pandemic will seem inadequate. This is the dilemma we face, but it should not stop us from doing what we can to prepare. We need to reach out to everyone with words that inform, but not inflame. We need to encourage everyone to prepare, but not panic." — Michael O. Leavitt, 2007
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Try using your brain for once, instead of being a lazy stupid asshole and simply click on GIF or meme as a response. Take some brains to come up with an intelligent response.

Better yet, try calling up that hospital and inquire yourself. Seriously, call this hospital in Coachella Valley (there is probably only 1 or possibly 2 hospitals at most) and ask if what this doctor is saying is true. Ask if that hospitals capacity is full right now because it has so many sick covid patients.

Tell the person answering the phone you think this virus is not real and would like confirmation. Ask to speak to a nurse, an admin, or even a doctor. They will confirm what this doctor is saying.

Don’t just say this virus is fake because you have not gotten it yourself or know anyone who has had it yet or you read some fake crap on the internet. Do some firsthand investigation. This is your fucking opportunity!!!!
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Crisis actor playing the role of a fucking quack.

That is all.
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“He’s wrong and you both are morons”

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It may be real, but that don't mean its going
to kill everybody. People get sick all the
time and don't die because they take medicine
to get rid of it.
If you get the covid virus, get some medicine
and take care of it. Plain and simple, right ?
Screw the government and take care of your own
problem. Its just a damned virus. Kill it and
get on with your life.
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Most people now see Covid is real, but still believe it is not as deadly as it is being presented. No need to argue death rate, it’s not my point. The hospitalizations however are on the rise and when you are admitted into the hospital for Covid, they will be placing a catheter up your privates.

You when you are out partying and around lots of people, just picture that wonderful imagine of a giant tube shoved up your dick and a constant desire to pull it out because how uncomfortable it feels. And imagine a persistent burning sensation whenever you piss, that remains with you for the rest of your life. As well, as a higher risk of now getting a UTI, all because a tube had to be stuck up your penis hole due to you needing to go the hospital from catching a virus based on total ignorance.
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bsflag
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Take a moment and try not to be a stupid ignorant asshole. This take a little more effort then click a lazy BS flag, that took zero thought.

Call up that hospital and inquire yourself. Seriously, call this hospital in Coachella Valley (there is probably only 1 or possibly 2 hospitals at most) and ask if what this doctor is saying is true. Ask if that hospitals capacity is full right now because it has so many sick covid patients.

Tell the person answering the phone you think this virus is not real and would like confirmation. Ask to speak to a nurse, an admin, or even a doctor. They will confirm what this doctor is saying.

Don’t just say this virus is fake because you have not gotten it yourself or know anyone who has had it yet or you read some fake crap on the internet. Do some firsthand investigation. This is your fucking opportunity!!!!
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I havent worn a mask in public or worried about hamd sanitizer for weeks
WHAT IS IT WAITING FOR

JUST LIKE Terrorist where behind every blade of grass after 9/11
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Most people now see Covid is real, but still believe it is not as deadly as it is being presented. No need to argue death rate, it’s not my point. The hospitalizations however are on the rise and when you are admitted into the hospital for Covid, they will be placing a catheter up your privates.

You when you are out partying and around lots of people, just picture that wonderful imagine of a giant tube shoved up your dick and a constant desire to pull it out because how uncomfortable it feels. And imagine a persistent burning sensation whenever you piss, that remains with you for the rest of your life. As well, as a higher risk of now getting a UTI, all because a tube had to be stuck up your penis hole due to you needing to go the hospital from catching a virus based on total ignorance.
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bsflag
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Take a moment and try not to be a stupid ignorant asshole. This take a little more effort then click a lazy BS flag, that took zero thought.

Call up that hospital and inquire yourself. Seriously, call this hospital in Coachella Valley (there is probably only 1 or possibly 2 hospitals at most) and ask if what this doctor is saying is true. Ask if that hospitals capacity is full right now because it has so many sick covid patients.

Tell the person answering the phone you think this virus is not real and would like confirmation. Ask to speak to a nurse, an admin, or even a doctor. They will confirm what this doctor is saying.

Don’t just say this virus is fake because you have not gotten it yourself or know anyone who has had it yet or you read some fake crap on the internet. Do some firsthand investigation. This is your fucking opportunity!!!!
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Crisis actor playing the role of a fucking quack.

That is all.
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hesright
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“He’s wrong and you both are morons”

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Cali doc? Ricky Leftist?
Dipshit is getting paid off to promote the propaganda for the additional lockdowns coming.
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Call that hospital listed in my OP. Try calling up any of the hospitals you hear are overrun with Covid patients. Or try visiting those hospitals. Tell them you don’t think Covid is real and that you don’t believe the hospitals are full of Covid patients.
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Crisis actor playing the role of a fucking quack.

That is all.
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hesright
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“He’s wrong and you both are morons”

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lolsign
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Cali doc? Ricky Leftist?
Dipshit is getting paid off to promote the propaganda for the additional lockdowns coming.
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Where is your evidence to support. Sounds like you just made that shit. So that is straight up genuine BS. LOL.bsmeter2
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Crisis actor playing the role of a fucking quack.

That is all.
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hesright
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“He’s wrong and you both are morons”

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Cali doc? Ricky Leftist?
Dipshit is getting paid off to promote the propaganda for the additional lockdowns coming.
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I seriously cannot believe people make up bullshit like this guy. Hahaha.bsflag
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Sharing this from a physician group:

PLEASE COPY And SHARE.

Dr. Rick Loftus, MD wrote on 07/02/20:

I'm in a hotspot hospital in a hotspot region (Coachella Valley, Inland Empire, CA). We just converted the entire second floor of our hospital to COVID-19 care yesterday, July 1. We have 65 inpatients with COVID-19 in a hospital with 368 beds. It is the same at our other 2 hospitals in the Valley. We spent yesterday deciding the ethical way to divide up limited remdesivir (30 patients' worth) for the hospital patients. My 20 incoming interns for our IM resident were exposed to COVID 2 weeks ago during their computer chart training; apparently 100% of our computer trainers had COVID19. One intern tested positive 7 days later and I insisted we re-test them all again, as there are almost certainly other cases with minimal symptoms. I raided my household and took my entire supply of face shields to the hospital for the residents to wear on their first day, and I paid $1000 of my own money to equip all of my residents with medical-grade face shields. I require all residents to wear a surgical mask or N95 with face shield if they are within 6 week of another human, patient or coworker.Roughly 20% of our inpatients die. Only 30% of our ventilated patients survive. (We try to avoid ventilation at all costs. Some people insist on being full code and decompensate despite high flow with face mask, proning, dexamethasone, antibiotics, and a cocktail of famotidine, zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, NAC, and melatonin--we throw everything we can at each case, so long as it won't hurt them.)My administrative assistant, who sits adjacent to the interns, just went home with COVID symptoms. Her test is pending.In the Southwest, we are experiencing catastrophic exponential growth. I have had multiple families--siblings, parent-child, spouses--admitted with COVID-19. I had a 31 year old come in satting 78% on room air; he had been sequestering himself in his bedroom for a week to avoid infecting his elderly parents, with whom he lived. His sister, the only person he saw outside his immediate household in the 10 days prior to onset of fever, cough, and dyspnea, had also had fevers but had tested "negative" at our other large hospital so he thought it was safe to visit her. (Sigh. The Quest PCR test is about 80% sensitive, we think--it had emergency approval to sensitivity data was not required. The Cepheid rapid COVID PCR test is 98.5% sensitive but is in short supply due to limited reagent availability.)I'm glad some of you are sheltered from what unbridled COVID-19 looks like. It's a hell show. This is *July*. What do you think my hospital will look like in winter?...This is real. Doctors in places with proper public health responses will see few cases in their hospitals--like UCSF--but let me tell you something: The laws of physics and biology don't change. If you're in an unaffected region, an introduction and poor governance and low use of physical distancing and masks will give you an exponential increase in no time flat (i.e. 2-4 weeks). That's pandemic math. And 20% of the population infected needs a hospital. You *will* run out of beds with an unbridled pandemic. There is almost ZERO pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV-2. There may be some "priming" of T-cell responses due to exposure to other "benign" beta-coronaviruses, but we have no idea if that explains the 20-40% of people who seem to get minimal symptoms. Asymptomatic infected persons, however, can, and do, spread COVID to those who die from it.By the way: I've seen scary looking CT scans of the lungs that look like terrible interstitial pneumonia in a patient who had ZERO symptoms and SaO2 94% on room air. She came in for palpitations and the intern overnight got a chest CT for cardiac reasons. We didn't know it was COVID until her test came back 36 hours later. So "asymptomatic" does NOT mean "no biological activity." The virus replicates furiously in people who feel fine. Kids can spread this as easily as grown ups, even if they feel okay.Related: I've talked to two previously healthy patients ages 32 and 44 who are 3 and 4 months, respectively, post their acute COVID. They continue to have cough, nightsweats, fever, fatigue. How many survivors have "post-COVID syndrome"? We don't know. Less than 20% but we're not sure. I've asked my hospital to allow me to establish a post-COVID clinic to care for and study survivors. Both NIH and UW are planning similar efforts based on my dialogues with them.Autopsies show anoxic brain injury in many patients who died of COVID, not to mention microthrombi throughout the lungs and megakaryocytes in massive infiltrations in their hearts and other organs. People get heart failure, lung fibrosis, and permanent kidney injury from COVID-19. This is a disease of the vascular systems, and it can affect any organ, with lungs and kidneys being especially at risk.In early May, thanks to lockdown, our census of 55 came down to 10 COVID cases, and for a brief moment, I actually had hope that the worst nightmares I had about COVID, as a biohazard virology-trained hospitalist, would not come to pass. Then we re-opened, without test/trace/isolate systems anywhere close to adequate. Eight weeks ago my county decided to make masks "optional," despite 125 doctors begging them not to do that. Now we're worse than we were in April. And it's getting worse every day.You wanna see if COVID is real? Come walk on my COVID ward with me. It's real. Hearing people talk about it as if it's an exaggeration is, well, rage-inducing, honestly. Denial is the most common reaction to a pandemic. Denial is how the US will wind up with 1.1 million deaths instead of 30,000. I saw AIDS denialists get killed by their belief that HIV "isn't real, it's a pharma conspiracy of the medical industrial complex." Yeah, right, if you say so. I watched patients with those beliefs die.The hardest part about this is, every new case I treat exposes me. I have assiduous hot zone technique. But no technique is bulletproof. If you keep exposing me to case after case, eventually, the virus will get through my defenses. I'm a 50 year old hypertensive. I don't expect to do well if I get infected. For now, I keep going to work. I'm one of the few pushing forward on COVID clinical trials, basic science, public health messaging, and diagnostic studies at my hospital. I feel a responsibility to keep going. I wake up with nightmares every morning at 4am. But I'm going to keep going for now. I feel very alone a lot of the time. People are not taking this seriously, and it's costing lives. -R

“Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after a pandemic will seem inadequate. This is the dilemma we face, but it should not stop us from doing what we can to prepare. We need to reach out to everyone with words that inform, but not inflame. We need to encourage everyone to prepare, but not panic." — Michael O. Leavitt, 2007
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“Officials Say”

I think you typed this yourself OP. I talk to doctors and this isn’t how they speak. There’s a level of fear propaganda that you can feel in this piece. You wrote this and you got paid 3.50
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Call that hospital listed in my OP. Try calling up any of the hospitals you hear are overrun with Covid patients. Or try visiting those hospitals. Tell them you don’t think Covid is real and that you don’t believe the hospitals are full of Covid patients.
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I know nurses in hospitals that say it’s bs. I don’t have to call anyone.
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All lies are real to them who believe them.





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