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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49714853  United States07/15/2020 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. As a child it was explained to me once "death comes out of the barrel of a gun, never point it at someone else or it will kill them if fired. Accidents happen, so never point a gun at someone unless you have to pull the trigger". Granted, all the movies from the 80's that glorified gun violence hit the point home that "guns are tools of death". In all fairness, if this happened in Texas, they would of been well within their rights to mow the entire mob down. As you had a large group of armed people, break into private property. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49714853 United States07/15/2020 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: PureSnow CASTLE DOCTRINE - you ABSOLUTELY can use deadly force in Missouri when invaders are on your property. They were not on their property. They were on the street in front of their house. Incorrect. They damaged property on the couple's private property. Not sure how to embed images.. [link to bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com (secure)] Vandalism doesn't give you the right to pull a gun on someone. I'm just saying guys, it was a fuckup on their part. No question about it. If they came to burn down your home, you would probably feel differently. Breaking into an enclosed area, by a large group of people, some of whom are carrying firearms, the couple acted well within their rights. In many states, the coupled would of been within their rights to just start shooting them. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49714853 United States07/15/2020 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. CASTLE DOCTRINE - you ABSOLUTELY can use deadly force in Missouri when invaders are on your property. They were not on their property. They were on the street in front of their house. The "street" was a private street not public and was gated. A historic Iron Gate, that the rioters broke through. The couple where defending themselves from looters and rioters, who broke into a gated community. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79119011 United States07/15/2020 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. Yes, and these laws are retarded. Merely taking it out without pointing it is considered brandishing..... so let's not allow people to judge the situation ... force them to either submit or kill someone. The problem is not with what the couple did, it's with the laws that make it illegal for a gun owner to make the call on whether to force deescalation or kill. Plus, I haven't seen any discussion about the rioters brandishing. Were they brandishing????? Let me guess..... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73963206 United States07/15/2020 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. When armed protesters make terroristic threats what is that? |
rccola  User ID: 73963206 United States07/15/2020 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The mob had just committed a felony to gain access. First Degree Property Damage: An individual commits this crime by either: Knowingly damaging another's property and the cost of the damage totals more than $750; Damaging property valued at more than $750 to defraud an insurer; or. Damaging a motor vehicle while trying to steal something inside.Oct 5, 2018 Missouri Vandalism Laws - FindLawstatelaws.findlaw.com › missouri-law › missouri-vandal. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79149756 United States07/15/2020 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. CASTLE DOCTRINE - you ABSOLUTELY can use deadly force in Missouri when invaders are on your property. They were not on their property. They were on the street in front of their house. Wrong. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79149756 United States07/15/2020 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Ignatius J Evidently math wasn't your strong suit. When I state that an inordinate amount of unarmed people of color are shot, that means that they are killed at a higher percentage. Take it easy there David Duke---your hood is showing They kill themselves at a higher percentage, that's their cultural issue, not mine. You capped your statement about our irrational fear of blacks and browns, now accompany that with the statement about them being killed at a higher percentage, BY THEIR OWN RACE. Do you not see the bullshit in your agenda driven post? I sure the fuck do. Nobody denies that black on black crime is a problem. The obvious issue, as noted by your reaction, is systematic racism within the institutions of law enforcement and white supremacy. I suppose this Black DA is a racist then to, right Ignoramus. [link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)] BLM is primarily a marxist organization with a marxist agenda they don’t give a shit about black lives unless they can use the death of a violent thug as a triggering point for their long planned marxist venda, and you are just a useful idiot parroting bullshit about statistically insignificant “systematic racism”.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79149756 United States07/15/2020 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. This 1000% Only time you point your gun at someone is right before you pull the trigger. But in their defense, she had obviously never used a gun before and he might not have either. Given the circumstances the DA should look the other way, but they will probably charge them and send them to the can. Death threats from an armed mob on private property, this is self defense. The mob broke two private property boundaries to get at this poor couple. First was the gated community boundary. Second boundary was their front gate! When the mob returned the NEXT DAY they destroyed the gate! It's obvious after reading this thread it's easy to see who hasn't seen all the raw footage online and instead only watch MSM... Liberals are angry these folks had guns and are trying to scare law abiding people from using them... THAT'S BULLSHIT! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63927796 United States07/20/2020 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79168163 United States07/20/2020 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. True, but the protestors did break down their fence and break into their property. They were also threatening to kill them. Unfortunately the wife was a bit irresponsible with her weapon. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63927796 United States07/20/2020 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. True, but the protestors did break down their fence and break into their property. They were also threatening to kill them. Unfortunately the wife was a bit irresponsible with her weapon. Smells Fake to me. Video looked way too fake. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79158392 United States07/20/2020 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “When you look at St. Louis with two people that came out — they were going to be beat up badly, if they were lucky — okay — if they were lucky. They were going to be beat up badly and the house was going to be totally ransacked and probably burned down like they tried to burn down churches. And these people were standing there, never used it, and they were legal, the weapons, and now I understand somebody local — they want to prosecute these people. It’s a disgrace.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77174498 Unfortunately Trump = all talk but zero action. His correct response would be to have the ST Louis AG who charged them arrested. Sure, it might be a bogus charge but you got to fight fire with fire. Drown her in court hearings, and put about 100 DOJ lawyers on her ass. Sick of Trumps tweets with zero action! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71197618 United States07/20/2020 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the RIOTERS the DA would have nothing on them. Fuck them Rioters |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 716401 United States07/20/2020 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. CASTLE DOCTRINE - you ABSOLUTELY can use deadly force in Missouri when invaders are on your property. They were not on their property. They were on the street in front of their house. Yes, they were.. you are no better than CNN.. you fuckin know better as you have seen the smashed down gate to their property here ten thousand times just like all the rest of us.. Give it a fuckin break! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 716401 United States07/20/2020 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My understanding of Castle Doctrine in most states is that it only applies to WITHIN your four walls, and inside of your vehicle. At least thats what the CCW instructor told us. I have always wondered if this is accurate, but there is such differing info online (imagine that) Quoting: GonadTheBallbarian correct For Castle Doctrine.. Not stand your ground. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 716401 United States07/20/2020 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Vandalism doesn't give you the right to pull a gun on someone. I'm just saying guys, it was a fuckup on their part. No question about it. If that vandalism causes you to fear for your life on your own home property it sure does. That's not the law: "1. A person may, subject to the limitations of subsection 2, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what he or she reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such person of stealing, property damage or tampering in any degree." Maybe in Texas, after dark... But that's about the only place.. What state were they in? you don't even know what state!!.. like you have any say in this.. you have no facts, and nothing but shitbird supposition.. shut up. Anders Walker, a professor at the St. Louis University School of Law, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the castle doctrine in the state allows the couple to defend their property on a private street. “At any point that you enter the property, they can then, in Missouri, use deadly force to get you off the lawn,” Walker said. He described the castle doctrine as a “force field” that “indemnifies you, and you can even pull the trigger in Missouri.” |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 716401 United States07/20/2020 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: PureSnow CASTLE DOCTRINE - you ABSOLUTELY can use deadly force in Missouri when invaders are on your property. They were not on their property. They were on the street in front of their house. You are 100 percent wrong dickhead. They were on their front steps, and on their grass. Watch the video. Let me guess Trinity? Black lives matter!? ALL LIVES MATTER I'm just saying man you can't act that way if you're a gun owner. If it were me I'd have sat back and waited for them to attempt entry. Then I'd have FIFY, ur welcome. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78479236 United States07/20/2020 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “When you look at St. Louis with two people that came out — they were going to be beat up badly, if they were lucky — okay — if they were lucky. They were going to be beat up badly and the house was going to be totally ransacked and probably burned down like they tried to burn down churches. And these people were standing there, never used it, and they were legal, the weapons, and now I understand somebody local — they want to prosecute these people. It’s a disgrace.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77174498 He should. They were acting reasonable. Simply showing they were armed and not to be trifled with. They didn't threaten any protester or cause anyone to become uneasy or fearful of being harmed. A jury will acquit them on the brandishing charge. The jury instruction for brandishing doesn't fit their actions. A real Circuit Judge will sustain a Motion for Judgment of Acquittal and it would never reach a jury - but if it does, I suspect the accused will walk away free. Maybe that is what is behind it all. Get a quick trial. Defendants acquitted, verdict sensationalize and becomes the topic of discussion, then we all arm ourselves publicly. Although most states have open-carry laws, the stigma of doing so keeps most responsible people from exercising that right for fear of public ridicule and harassment from law enforcement. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 716401 United States07/20/2020 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What we see here will be common place when Trump wins re-election. The Left will go crazy and try to kill and burn the homes of innocent people... Quoting: DuckNCover Be prepared... Decide what will you do in that situation... No police to come and rescue you because, they have been defunded... What we see here will be common place when Trump wins re-election. The Left will go crazy and try to kill and burn the homes of innocent people... Quoting: DuckNCover Be prepared... Decide what will you do in that situation... No police to come and rescue you because, they have been defunded... Interesting word Frangible BTHP thank you.. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 716401 United States07/20/2020 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with what they did was pointing the firearms at the protesters.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^ Every responsible firearm owner knows you CANNOT point your weapon at someone as a form of intimidation. Had they stood there with their weapons slung or holstered and not pointed at the protesters the DA would have nothing on them. Really? He's wrong. As usual. On private property under threat it's absolute legal. He's always wrong. Or just being intentionally obtuse to push an agenda.. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 716401 United States07/20/2020 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The homeowners were wrong in this case. Their first obligation is their duty to retreat which they did not do. They did the exact opposite. The "private" property you are all discussing is not theirs. Quoting: Ignatius J Do a little research on these folks. They are charlatans and you all are now falling for their shtick. And to the rest of you here: Your irrational fear of black and brown folks does not give you the right to intimidate them with firearms. Your lives aren't in danger every time someone of a different race crosses your path. The saddest part is that you are so scared that you automatically "fear for your life". This is also the reason that police shoot unarmed people of color at a inordinate rate.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78479236 United States07/20/2020 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The homeowners were wrong in this case. Their first obligation is their duty to retreat which they did not do. They did the exact opposite. The "private" property you are all discussing is not theirs. Quoting: Ignatius J Do a little research on these folks. They are charlatans and you all are now falling for their shtick. And to the rest of you here: Your irrational fear of black and brown folks does not give you the right to intimidate them with firearms. Your lives aren't in danger every time someone of a different race crosses your path. The saddest part is that you are so scared that you automatically "fear for your life". This is also the reason that police shoot unarmed people of color at a inordinate rate. No one was intimidated except the home owners. Your use of the Yiddish word "Shtick" betrays you. |
