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COVID-19 - Refuting the narrative (Updated with many more links pg 4)

 
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Many within society and on GLP are finally growing wise to the utter mindfuck currently being perpetrated by our various Western news outlets, our own health organizations, foreign interests and certain compromised politicians that stand to gain from a decimated western economy. Whether here in America or overseas, it is quite clear to me that there is an obvious effort underway to destroy and replace our culture with a tyrannical “world order” in which only a very few have any say, and the rest will be relegated to the shitpile of revisionist history. That’s the objective I think anyway (can we say COLLUSION anyone?), and it’s been underway for many years, but kicked into overdrive recently due to the deck chairs being (sometimes forcefully) shuffled by certain leaders and powerful individuals within our respective countries that do not agree.

That said, many of the people behind this contrived chaos are in fact highly intelligent and well funded. They know how to do what they’re doing, and they do it well because they’ve honed their skills of diversion, distraction and obfuscation for years, manufacturing and implementing successful societal subversion scenarios for as long as they’ve been adults (some for as long as they’ve been alive). It’s all they know.

The cracks in their sociopathic armor have only recently become evident. which is why they have had to go “overboard” in these latest scenarios in their attempts to remain relevant and keep their power. Power that only resides in our perceptions. Maybe this is because of us that “don’t agree,” growing in numbers sufficient to end them, or because this was the plan all along; however, I believe that we now live in a very unique time in history wherein the people that long for freedom, family and individual responsibility (and the bright/prosperous future that those ideals represent) actually have a very real opportunity to do just that. End them, or at least reverse their course so they are the ones festering in the shitpile they planned for us.

One of the best ways to combat the disinformation these people spew is to inform ourselves, and then intelligently articulate and disseminate that knowledge and information to others in our sphere. Many of us have been doing this already for many years, so it is up to us to hopefully inform others of like mind to do the same. Most importantly, when doing so, it is imperative to provide sound evidence supporting any claims we make, backing these claims up with the proper footnotes so those we inform can further inform themselves, rather than turn you off and default back to the seemingly credible crap they’re fed by our corrupt media.

So I thought that it might be fun to use this thread to do just that regarding the latest fear inducing propaganda of the day. COVID-19.

GLP contributors have done a phenomenal job of posting numerous well sourced articles and evidence from noted scientists and doctors refuting the CoV siren call, but there are no threads aggregating this information into one location. As such, I thought it a good idea to do so. This way, others can use it for reference as they arm themselves for those confrontations with friends and family members that are already well underway, and sure to heat up in the coming months as these fucktards continue their over-the-top attempts to kill our economies and culture.

This is not a debate thread. While I know that many of the drones here will attempt to derail this with “sanctioned bullshit,” I plan to keep this going as a primary repository of news, vids, and info that refutes the current narrative. Debate on the other threads if you must, and maybe even use this thread as a source for same if you find yourself agreeing, but please try to keep your comments to a minimum here. Posts that are not relevant or go against the rules will likely be deleted. Some, however, might be allowed to stand if the debate is warranted.

The general rules are as follows:

- The information you post must be relevant and sourced, and also provided by a verifiable (and hopefully credentialed) individual or individuals offering plausible refuting evidence on CoV related matters (infection, case loads, testing, mortality, effective treatments, mask wearing or not, hospitalization, vaccines are all game). So, a notable microbiologist or virologist that has studied the disease and takes a position contrary to the “government experts,” a peer reviewed study from a reputable science publication that gives us some concrete data against the narrative, or even a qualified physician or nurse providing evidence exposing fraud or misrepresentation (and motivation) are all very good fodder.

- Most importantly, the individual “experts” within the post or vid must be cited, preferably with a name or names provided in the introduction to the post, and a link to or short summary of their professional qualifications. So, while anecdotal information might be ok (and left alone for discussion purposes), we are looking for real data and info from real experts in their Respective fields. Providing a brief summary of the people involved gives the reader a simple way to remember the source, so they/we can more readily recall that source in discussions with others.

- No alternate thread links. Only original sourced data and info. Feel free to cut and paste relevant posts with the above rules in mind, but links to other threads (of which there are many here) will only muddle this thread and the intent. They will be deleted.

That’s it.

I realize that this may not “take” immediately, because there is so much other shit going on these days, but I plan to seed the thread with what I can find (as I have the time) in hopes of laying the groundwork, bumping along the way until others contribute.

Thanks for your help, GLP!

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Publication: Thé Daily Wire - Conservative Publication founded by Ben Shapiro

Author: Joseph Curl - [link to www.dailywire.com (secure)]

Cited Sources: Sermo, a global healthcare polling company. SERMO is the leading global social network for physicians where 800,000 fully verified and licensed physicians from more than 150 countries talk real-world medicine, review what peers think of different treatment options - including ratings and comments on prescription drugs - collectively solve cases, respond to healthcare polls, and earn honorarium from surveys.

SERMO is also the world’s largest healthcare professional (HCP) polling company. The SERMO research network is comprised of 1.8 million HCPs and includes 40 percent of the U.S. physician population. Most of the 700,000 surveys SERMO conducts annually are among specialist physicians – over 70 percent of physician members are specialists. Learn more at [link to www.SERMO.com.]

Until their recent release of the following information countering the Anti-HCQ narrative, they appeared to be a very laudable and substantive platform (and still are).

In order to combat our prevalent communist cancel culture, one must dig beyond the “headlines of the day” to vet the source. So, before posting leftist narrative and drivel about any source in this thread, do your homework! If you learn that the source is in fact a fraud, don’t post it.


Article: “Doctors Rate Hydroxychloroquine ‘Most Effective’ Coronavirus Treatment”

Snippet: An international poll of more than 6,000 doctors finds that the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine has been deemed the most highly rated treatment for the novel coronavirus.

The survey, conducted by Sermo, a global health care polling company, asked 6,227 physicians in 30 countries to find out what is the most effective against SARS-CoV-2. The poll finds that 37% of those treating patients suffering from the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” out of a list of 15 choices...

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The above format for posts is what I’m hoping to see from others. As you research the various sources and individuals, please dig into their pre-CoV past at least a little. The amount of disinformation and shaming by the left in attempt to derail countering opinion is astronomical today, so you must sometimes go back a few years to find anything worthy of consideration before you can definitively say the source is viable or credible.

Remember, these vapid turds are actively attempting to destroy western culture, so if you see all sorts of discrediting articles or blogs about a specific company or individual today, but nothing of the sort from their past, they’re probably worth listening to.
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No matter how well worded and researched any argument is you will never change the minds of the vast majority of people. They were never taught critical thinking, and are to dull to have learned the concept on their own. If what you are saying doesn't align with what the leader of the team they support says they not only will ignore you, they will attack you.
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No matter how well worded and researched any argument is you will never change the minds of the vast majority of people. They were never taught critical thinking, and are to dull to have learned the concept on their own. If what you are saying doesn't align with what the leader of the team they support says they not only will ignore you, they will attack you.
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Not within your personal sphere of influence if handled appropriately. Many are awakening to “them” and very much willing to listen if the approach is reasoned, deliberate, and with merit. True, the teevee people make it appear as you say, and there certainly all sorts of cancel culture borg running around attempting to shame you into submission, but this is why it is so important for us all to work within our personal realms of influence in an effort to inform and educate.

It’s not easy, but I’ve been doing it for a while now, with a fair amount of success. Just gotta know how and when to pick your battles.
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Covid 19 a Once-in-a-Century Fiasco in the Making
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quote: "Back in March at the beginning of the COVID 19 outbreak, the highly respected Stanford Epidemiologist John Ioannidis drew heavy criticism for expressing his view that governments were making decisions without reliable data. On March 17, 2020, Dr. John Ioannidis writes:

“The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco.“(1)

The Data Has Accumulated and Dr. John Ioannidis was RIGHT !!
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Many more people have had it than have been tested. The CDC came out with a stat on this.

Take THAT huge (millions and millions) number and THEN do the death-rate math
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No matter how well worded and researched any argument is you will never change the minds of the vast majority of people. They were never taught critical thinking, and are to dull to have learned the concept on their own. If what you are saying doesn't align with what the leader of the team they support says they not only will ignore you, they will attack you.
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truth there

we still try!
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Covid 19 a Once-in-a-Century Fiasco in the Making
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quote: "Back in March at the beginning of the COVID 19 outbreak, the highly respected Stanford Epidemiologist John Ioannidis drew heavy criticism for expressing his view that governments were making decisions without reliable data. On March 17, 2020, Dr. John Ioannidis writes:

“The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco.“(1)

The Data Has Accumulated and Dr. John Ioannidis was RIGHT !!
..."
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Thanks!!
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Publication: American Institute of Economic Research - [link to www.aier.org (secure)]

Author: Edward Peter Stringham - [link to www.aier.org (secure)]

Cited Sources: Dr. Daniel W. Erickson of Bakersfield, California, is a former emergency-room physician who co-owns, with his partner Dr. Artin Massih, Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield.

They are experienced medical professionals who between them have 40 years of hands-on experience in dealing with viruses and respiratory infections.

About Dr Artin Massihi: [link to www.earnthenecklace.com (secure)]

Dr. Dan Erickson: [link to www.vitals.com (secure)]


Article: “ Open Up Society Now, Say Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi”

Snippet: Dr. Daniel W. Erickson of Bakersfield, California, is a former emergency-room physician who co-owns, with his partner Dr. Artin Massih, Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield. They are experienced medical professionals who between them have 40 years of hands-on experience in dealing with viruses and respiratory infections. Watching the news in China in January, they knew the virus was on its way. They ordered many COVID-19 tests because they knew they would need them. They tested many thousands of people, and discovered for themselves what epidemiologists around the world are saying: COVID-19 came here earlier than previously believed, is more ubiquitous, and ultimately for the general population less deadly than we thought.

While this realization is gradually dawning on people around the world, they went public with their findings, which are not generated out of a predictive model but rather the actual facts of the case. In the course of their press conference on April 25, they addressed the question of whether or not California should have shut down much of its economy. Their answer is no. They conclude with the need to open up immediately, on grounds of health and human rights.

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Publication: USC News - Health (Univ of Southern California News Publisher)

Author: Leigh Hopper - [link to news.usc.edu (secure)]

Cited Sources: USC and L.A. County Department of Public Health officials


Article: “ Early antibody testing suggests COVID-19 infections in L.A. County greatly exceed documented cases”

Snippet: USC and L.A. County Department of Public Health officials have released the preliminary results of their antibody tests, which show a surprising number of residents have been infected.

USC and the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health on Monday released preliminary results from a collaborative scientific study that suggests infections from the new coronavirus are far more widespread — and the fatality rate much lower — in L.A. County than previously thought.

The findings are from the first round of an ongoing study by USC researchers and county health officials. They will be conducting antibody testing over time on a series of representative samples of adults to determine the scope and spread of the pandemic across the county.

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Those of you that have started a thread, or contributed meaningful evidence to one, please consider posting that info here under the above format. I realize that this requires a little more effort, but in the process, you get to see a little more about the people behind it. Then you can more intelligently read and refute the counter-narrative that is sure to follow about them after they challenge the sanctioned narrative.

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Covid 19 a Once-in-a-Century Fiasco in the Making
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quote: "Back in March at the beginning of the COVID 19 outbreak, the highly respected Stanford Epidemiologist John Ioannidis drew heavy criticism for expressing his view that governments were making decisions without reliable data. On March 17, 2020, Dr. John Ioannidis writes:

“The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco.“(1)

The Data Has Accumulated and Dr. John Ioannidis was RIGHT !!
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BTW, this is great info, but please provide the name of the author, a little about them, as well as on the source of the info reported if/when you have a few minutes to do so.

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See above for the formatting/titles. Just cut and paste to a notepad, and then follow along as you find info or articles to contribute.
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Publication: Reason - [link to reason.com (secure)]

Author: Ron Bailey - [link to reason.com (secure)]

Cited Sources: Atmospheric chemists led by Texas A&M chemist Renyi Zhang - [link to atmo.tamu.edu (secure)]


Article: Prominent Researchers Say a Widely Cited Study on Wearing Masks Is Badly Flawed

Snippet: Outside researchers are calling for the retraction of a study published earlier this month in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) that claimed to have discovered a strong correlation between public facemask-wearing and a subsequent decline in confirmed COVID-19 cases. In the challenged study, a team of atmospheric chemists led by Texas A&M chemist Renyi Zhang sought to compare how trends in confirmed diagnoses changed before and after mask-wearing had been mandated in Wuhan, China, Italy, and New York City.

The researchers calculated that mandated masking reduced the number of confirmed cases by more than 78,000 in Italy from April 6 to May 9, and by more than 66,000 in New York City from April 17 to May 9. In addition, the researchers argued that while recommendations like social distancing and frequent hand washing slowed the epidemic, the dramatic reductions in viral transmission in Italy and New York City occurred only after wearing masks in public was mandated. The reduction in confirmed cases occurred, they argued, because masking prevents the transmission of the disease by blocking the atomization of virus-containing respiratory droplets (coughing, sneezing, talking) and their subsequent inhalation by uninfected people. On that evidence, they concluded the airborne spread of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 is the dominant route of infection.

Almost immediately, the study received pushback from outside statisticians and epidemiologists who argued that the study is severely flawed by sloppy statistical analyses. A group of critics has now sent a letter to the editors of the PNAS asking them to immediately retract the study. In addition, an evaluation of the study by researchers at the Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health also urges the PNAS to strongly consider retraction.

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Publication: FÉE.org - [link to fee.org (secure)]

Author: Jon Miltimore - [link to fee.org (secure)]

Cited Sources: NPR, Caitlin Rivers - Johns Hopkins Univ - [link to www.centerforhealthsecurity.org (secure)]


Article: NPR: “Mounting Evidence” Suggests COVID Not As Deadly as Thought. Did the Experts Fail Again?

Snippet: In April 2005, Charles Duelfer, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq, admitted in the CIA’s final report that after an extensive search, no weapons of mass destruction could be found.

“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Duelfer, the leader of the Iraq Survey Group. “As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible...”

... A new NPR report suggests the global response to COVID-19 may have been reached on a flawed premise.

Mounting evidence suggests the coronavirus is more common and less deadly than it first appeared.

The evidence comes from tests that detect antibodies to the coronavirus in a person's blood rather than the virus itself.

The tests are finding large numbers of people in the US who were infected but never became seriously ill. And when these mild infections are included in coronavirus statistics, the virus appears less dangerous.

"The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%," says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

That's in contrast with death rates of 5% or more based on calculations that included only people who got sick enough to be diagnosed with tests that detect the presence of virus in a person's body.

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Publication: Cato Institute - Cato.org

Author: Alan Reynolds - [link to www.cato.org (secure)]

Cited Sources: too many to list all of them. This is a good article, backed by well founded and sourced research. A bit long, but worth the read.


Article: How One Model Simulated 2.2 Million U.S. Deaths from COVID-19

Snippet: When it came to dealing with an unexpected surge in infections and deaths from SARS‐CoV‐2 (the virus causing COVID-19 symptoms), federal and state policymakers understandably sought guidance from competing epidemiological computer models. On March 16, a 20‐page report from Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London quickly gathered enormous attention by producing enormous death estimates. Dr. Ferguson had previously publicized almost equally sensational death estimates from mad cow disease, bird flu and swine flu...

The New York Times quickly ran the hot news about this new COVID-19 estimate:

The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the government’s comparatively relaxed response to the virus. American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public.
A month later that 2.2 million estimate was still being used (without revealing the source) by President Trump and Doctors Fauci and Birx to imply that up to two million lives had been saved by state lockdowns and business closings and/or by federal travel bans...

The obvious reality of voluntary self‐protective actions makes it incorrect to allude to the extreme Ferguson death estimate, consciously or not, as evidence that heavy‐handed government interventions prevented “hundreds of thousands” of deaths. In fact, the Imperial College team did not recommend “a complete lockdown which … prevents people going to work.”

...The key premise of 81% of the population being infected should have raised more alarms than it did. Even the deadly “Spanish Flu” (H1N1) pandemic of 1918–19 infected no more than 28% of the U.S. population. The next H1N1 “Swine Flu” pandemic in 2009-10, infected 20-24% of Americans....

... Epidemiologists have since found growing evidence that the number of undetected cases with few symptoms or none is much larger than merely doubling the small number of known and tested cases. A review of such research by the Oxford University Centre for Evidence‐Based Medicine finds “a presumed estimate for the COVID-19 IFR somewhere between 0.1% and 0.36%.” A middling estimate of 0.22% would by itself reduce the infamous 2.2 million death estimate to half a million even if 81% were somehow infected...



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Many within society and on GLP are finally growing wise to the utter mindfuck currently being perpetrated by our various Western news outlets, our own health organizations, foreign interests and certain compromised politicians that stand to gain from a decimated western economy. Whether here in America or overseas, it is quite clear to me that there is an obvious effort underway to destroy and replace our culture with a tyrannical “world order” in which only a very few have any say, and the rest will be relegated to the shitpile of revisionist history. That’s the objective I think anyway, and it’s been underway for many years, but kicked into overdrive recently due to the deck chairs being (sometimes forcefully) shuffled by certain leaders and powerful individuals within our respective countries that do not agree.

That said, many of the people behind this contrived chaos are in fact highly intelligent and well funded. They know how to do what they’re doing, and they do it well because they’ve honed their skills of diversion, distraction and obfuscation for years, manufacturing and implementing successful societal subversion scenarios for as long as they’ve been adults (some for as long as they’ve been alive). It’s all they know.

The cracks in their sociopathic armor have only recently become evident. which is why they have had to go “overboard” in these latest scenarios in their attempts to remain relevant and keep their power. Power that only resides in our perceptions. Maybe this is because of us that “don’t agree,” growing in numbers sufficient to end them, or because this was the plan all along; however, I believe that we now live in a very unique time in history wherein the people that long for freedom, family and individual responsibility (and the bright/prosperous future that those ideals represent) actually have a very real opportunity to do just that. End them, or at least reverse their course so they are the ones festering in the shitpile they planned for us.

One of the best ways to combat the disinformation these people spew is to inform ourselves, and then intelligently articulate and disseminate that knowledge and information to others in our sphere. Many of us have been doing this already for many years, so it is up to us to hopefully inform others of like mind to do the same. Most importantly, when doing so, it is imperative to provide sound evidence supporting any claims we make, backing these claims up with the proper footnotes so those we inform can further inform themselves, rather than turn you off and default back to the seemingly credible crap they’re fed by our corrupt media.

So I thought that it might be fun to use this thread to do just that regarding the latest fear inducing propaganda of the day. COVID-19.

GLP contributors have done a phenomenal job of posting numerous well sourced articles and evidence from noted scientists and doctors refuting the CoV siren call, but there are no threads aggregating this information into one location. As such, I thought it a good idea to do so. This way, others can use it for reference as they arm themselves for those confrontations with friends and family members that are already well underway, and sure to heat up in the coming months as these fucktards continue their over-the-top attempts to kill our economies and culture.

This is not a debate thread. While I know that many of the drones here will attempt to derail this with “sanctioned bullshit,” I plan to keep this going as a primary repository of news, vids, and info that refutes the current narrative. Debate on the other threads if you must, and maybe even use this thread as a source for same if you find yourself agreeing, but please try to keep your comments to a minimum here. Posts that are not relevant or go against the rules will likely be deleted. Some, however, might be allowed to stand if the debate is warranted.

The general rules are as follows:

- The information you post must be relevant and sourced, and also provided by a verifiable (and hopefully credentialed) individual or individuals offering plausible refuting evidence on CoV related matters (infection, case loads, testing, mortality, effective treatments, mask wearing or not, hospitalization, vaccines are all game). So, a notable microbiologist or virologist that has studied the disease and takes a position contrary to the “government experts,” a peer reviewed study from a reputable science publication that gives us some concrete data against the narrative, or even a qualified physician or nurse providing evidence exposing fraud or misrepresentation (and motivation) are all very good fodder.

- Most importantly, the individual “experts” within the post or vid must be cited, preferably with a name or names provided in the introduction to the post, and a link to or short summary of their professional qualifications. So, while anecdotal information might be ok (and left alone for discussion purposes), we are looking for real data and info from real experts in their Respective fields. Providing a brief summary of the people involved gives the reader a simple way to remember the source, so they/we can more readily recall that source in discussions with others.

- No alternate thread links. Only original sourced data and info. Feel free to cut and paste relevant posts with the above rules in mind, but links to other threads (of which there are many here) will only muddle this thread and the intent. They will be deleted.

That’s it.

I realize that this may not “take” immediately, because there is so much other shit going on these days, but I plan to seed the thread with what I can find (as I have the time) in hopes of laying the groundwork, bumping along the way until others contribute.

Thanks for your help, GLP!


This is Brilliant!
Ok, here's two; Peggy Hall, she's been fighting the mask, the use of language, the intimidation, and she says, "We don't like being lied to." She has a website called the Healthy American. She and those who have gotten on board with her have managed to have the mask mandate in Orange County overturned.
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Here's another; Pamela Popper; she's started a campaign, Let's Make America Free Again. She says there are lots of people who are fighting and doing great things. We've tried all kinds of things, either individually, or with others. None of the things we've tried have worked; letters, phone calls, petitions, demonstrations... She ways we _all_ need to get together behind one issue, vaccinations. That way there are a lot of us, we are focussed, and we'll have their attention.
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No matter how well worded and researched any argument is you will never change the minds of the vast majority of people. They were never taught critical thinking, and are to dull to have learned the concept on their own. If what you are saying doesn't align with what the leader of the team they support says they not only will ignore you, they will attack you.
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It's true; some people have been so totally brain washed, they are truly unable to think clearly. However, there are many who are still able to think and are beginning to understand what is going on. We don't have to think that we need to reach 100%.
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Covid 19 a Once-in-a-Century Fiasco in the Making
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quote: "Back in March at the beginning of the COVID 19 outbreak, the highly respected Stanford Epidemiologist John Ioannidis drew heavy criticism for expressing his view that governments were making decisions without reliable data. On March 17, 2020, Dr. John Ioannidis writes:

“The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco.“(1)

The Data Has Accumulated and Dr. John Ioannidis was RIGHT !!
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This is a very good post that is worthy of a thread in itself. Dr. Ioannidis of Stanford for those that don’t know is the “Godfather” of epidemiology for many, regularly referenced in journals and medical textbooks on the subject. His research and findings in the field were taken as “gospel” for years, until....

He published his comments and evidence refuting the CoV narrative. After doing so, he was lambasted to such a degree, one might think him to be Satan himself. So, instead of taking heed of his findings and years long experience as one of the most brilliant scientists in the field, we get pages of cancel culture bullshit. This should tell you something...

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This is Brilliant!
Ok, here's two; Peggy Hall, she's been fighting the mask, the use of language, the intimidation, and she says, "We don't like being lied to." She has a website called the Healthy American. She and those who have gotten on board with her have managed to have the mask mandate in Orange County overturned.


Here's another; Pamela Popper; she's started a campaign, Let's Make America Free Again. She says there are lots of people who are fighting and doing great things. We've tried all kinds of things, either individually, or with others. None of the things we've tried have worked; letters, phone calls, petitions, demonstrations... She ways we _all_ need to get together behind one issue, vaccinations. That way there are a lot of us, we are focussed, and we'll have their attention.
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Thanks! I will look into both.
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This is Brilliant!
Ok, here's two; Peggy Hall, she's been fighting the mask, the use of language, the intimidation, and she says, "We don't like being lied to." She has a website called the Healthy American. She and those who have gotten on board with her have managed to have the mask mandate in Orange County overturned.


Here's another; Pamela Popper; she's started a campaign, Let's Make America Free Again. She says there are lots of people who are fighting and doing great things. We've tried all kinds of things, either individually, or with others. None of the things we've tried have worked; letters, phone calls, petitions, demonstrations... She ways we _all_ need to get together behind one issue, vaccinations. That way there are a lot of us, we are focussed, and we'll have their attention.
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Thanks! I will look into both.
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The video is excellent. Everyone should watch it! I strongly suspect that there are very similar anti-discrimination laws in everyone’s state. And what she says is very spot on. NO GOVERNOR (or Mayor or city, county or state official) has the power to write LAW. They may issue emergency orders, and a public health official may even offer guidance regarding certain things during that time (such as mask wearing), but none of them have the power to enforce criminal penalties on anyone violating those orders unless they become LAW as dictated by the legislature.

Likewise, any company that forces you to wear a mask to gain entry could well be violating that state’s discrimination laws, and subject to lawsuit.

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Just researched my state, and it does appear that our Governor abdicated his power to the various municipalities and counties with regard to mandating masks. Our code here allows him to do just about anything he wants during a state of emergency, but this was a very bad call. Now all of the mayors are on their respective power trips forcing masks on everyone, everywhere. Although so far it appears that the police are doing very little to enforce same.

What drives me insane is that these idiots continue to make policy mandates on flawed science because the teevee told them so. We elect these folks to discern countering narratives before making laws or issuing orders, and none of them are doing it.
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Publication: Infowars - I know, but this is interesting - Thanks to the AC that posted it here.

Author: Alex Jones - yeah yeah

Cited Sources: TX Health Dept/Collin County Officials/CDC/All of them

Subject: Fraud


Title: Breaking: States ordered to fraudulently inflate CoVid-19 Cases...

Video:



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Publication: Full Measure - [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Author: Sheryl Attkisson - [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Cited Sources: Dr. William O'Neill - Medical Director at the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit MI. [link to www.henryford.com (secure)] (highly credentialed by the way).


Video Title: Remdesivir vs Hydroxychloroquine

Snippet: HCQ essentially eats Remdesivir’s lunch, and it’s a helluva lot cheaper! Also goes into the reasons why Fauci might want to promote this expensive alternative that doesn’t work as well. Great Vid. Watch it!

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Yay!! Great thread!! FIVE STARS!!

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Please Contribute!!! Getting tired of having to bump this thing by myself. But will continue to do so when I find little nuggets like the last post.
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