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Due to the opiod restrictions where I live you cannot receive Ambien, or ANY other sleep medication along with something like Norco, etc.

My doc has tried EVERYTHING in the antidepressant area to try to help my hubby sleep

He has tried Melatonin to no avail

Does anyone have any recommendations or tips. He is chronic pain patient but takes very little pain meds, he gets a lot of steroid injection with varied results.

He has a recalled hip which is implanted in a very complicated way due to a crushed acetabulum. He has a right knee replacement and 4 level back fusion.

He recently started with severe hip pain and they THINK it's SI Joint so he got a chiropractor who is limited in what he can do because of all of his surgeriers

I just started him on Tumeric for inflammation, also started Quercertin a few weeks ago, he takes 50,000 Vit D weekly, Zinc and Calcium and a Daily Mens vitamin

Can't sleep at all
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I went through that nightmare for years.

Sunshine directly on my skin for 20 minutes a day for a couple months, cured me.

After the first day of direct sunshine on the backs of my knees..I slept through the night for the first time in a year.

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For some, Benadryl is a more effective sleep aid than actual sleeping pills.
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try to get rid of inflammation, turmeric is good, the stuff you mentuioned is good, see if the diet isn't too acidic or causing imflammation, enough water is important, no heavy meals in the evening, not heavy on protein in the evening, ckeck the liver, maybe see an acupuncturist to see if the liver isnt blocked/empty/hot/....possible the "yang" is out of balance and is troubling the yin (sleep, rest, ...)
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try to get rid of inflammation, turmeric is good, the stuff you mentuioned is good, see if the diet isn't too acidic or causing imflammation, enough water is important, no heavy meals in the evening, not heavy on protein in the evening, ckeck the liver, maybe see an acupuncturist to see if the liver isnt blocked/empty/hot/....possible the "yang" is out of balance and is troubling the yin (sleep, rest, ...)
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also use transdermal magnesium (from the sea)
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thank you for the replies so far!!! Great info

He does take magnesium but not sure if it is transdermal

and the acupunturist ... someone new to look into
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thank you for the replies so far!!! Great info

He does take magnesium but not sure if it is transdermal

and the acupunturist ... someone new to look into
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You're welcome.

I'm not sure with his pain condition if he would be able to lay down on a lawn chair or grass/towel on his stomach..but the skin behind the knees is very thin and perfect for a vitamin D boost that doesn't come in supplement form.

Something to try anyway.


Hope it helps. I know how awful insomnia can get.

hf

Last Edited by Seer777 on 07/31/2020 03:45 PM
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Going to sleep with multiple oh triple toothpain is hard on bed but naturally interesting with sharks redoing there tooth quicker then a beer drinker
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GABA works good.
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Hops tea.
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Make him break a sweat and blow him
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CBD gummies with melatonin

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Bubble gum oh crap I need Arabian gum for my toothache
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thank you for the replies so far!!! Great info

He does take magnesium but not sure if it is transdermal

and the acupunturist ... someone new to look into
 Quoting: wvgal57


You're welcome.

I'm not sure with his pain condition if he would be able to lay down on a lawn chair or grass/towel on his stomach..but the skin behind the knees is very thin and perfect for a vitamin D boost that doesn't come in supplement form.

Something to try anyway.


Hope it helps. I know how awful insomnia can get.

hf
 Quoting: Seer777



Yes, he can lay down on his stomach Rained here for 3 days but the next sunny day he'll be out there. We ride a 3 wheel motorcycle on days when he can tolerate it, I'm tanned as can be and he is on his arms and upper legs. We have a pool and I use it a bit, he has been in one time this year though. A pool is one of those things.....great till you get it then it's a snoozer.

I try to sit in the sun myself at least 20 minutes a day during summer for that extra D boost
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Then the nerve can barricade itself or pulpus
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thank you for the replies so far!!! Great info

He does take magnesium but not sure if it is transdermal

and the acupunturist ... someone new to look into
 Quoting: wvgal57


You're welcome.

I'm not sure with his pain condition if he would be able to lay down on a lawn chair or grass/towel on his stomach..but the skin behind the knees is very thin and perfect for a vitamin D boost that doesn't come in supplement form.

Something to try anyway.


Hope it helps. I know how awful insomnia can get.

hf
 Quoting: Seer777



Yes, he can lay down on his stomach Rained here for 3 days but the next sunny day he'll be out there. We ride a 3 wheel motorcycle on days when he can tolerate it, I'm tanned as can be and he is on his arms and upper legs. We have a pool and I use it a bit, he has been in one time this year though. A pool is one of those things.....great till you get it then it's a snoozer.

I try to sit in the sun myself at least 20 minutes a day during summer for that extra D boost
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All in vain oh yummy
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Asshole shut up
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Make him break a sweat and blow him
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welllllll....that one thing doesn't work lol it hypes him up (and me) No sex at bedtime for me ;)
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thank you for the replies so far!!! Great info

He does take magnesium but not sure if it is transdermal

and the acupunturist ... someone new to look into
 Quoting: wvgal57


You're welcome.

I'm not sure with his pain condition if he would be able to lay down on a lawn chair or grass/towel on his stomach..but the skin behind the knees is very thin and perfect for a vitamin D boost that doesn't come in supplement form.

Something to try anyway.


Hope it helps. I know how awful insomnia can get.

hf
 Quoting: Seer777



Yes, he can lay down on his stomach Rained here for 3 days but the next sunny day he'll be out there. We ride a 3 wheel motorcycle on days when he can tolerate it, I'm tanned as can be and he is on his arms and upper legs. We have a pool and I use it a bit, he has been in one time this year though. A pool is one of those things.....great till you get it then it's a snoozer.

I try to sit in the sun myself at least 20 minutes a day during summer for that extra D boost
 Quoting: wvgal57


Good to hear. You two sound like fun. :)

Usually people tan the fronts of their legs..for myself I had a moment where I watched my dog lay out in the Sun and always followed it..to get his belly.

I live in the PNW and for months out of the year..it is cloudy and rainy here. No sun at all. Dark. Dreary.


I realized that I hadn't had sunshine on the backs of my knees..since I could last remember and decided to try it.

Sleep that night was no less than a miracle for me. I was so sleep deprived I thought I would become psychotic.. People need to sleep.

I've always carried a proper bedtime, even as a child..but nothing I tried worked. I was close to giving up completely.

Until I laid in the sun for 20 minutes that day.


The next morning was no less than a religious experience. That's how bad I needed to sleep.

Last Edited by Seer777 on 07/31/2020 04:09 PM
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CDB is not allowed by his pain control clinic .. although he only takes a miniscule amount of meds by choice. They do urine tests at unscheduled times too
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For some, Benadryl is a more effective sleep aid than actual sleeping pills.
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thank you for the replies so far!!! Great info

He does take magnesium but not sure if it is transdermal

and the acupunturist ... someone new to look into
 Quoting: wvgal57


You're welcome.

I'm not sure with his pain condition if he would be able to lay down on a lawn chair or grass/towel on his stomach..but the skin behind the knees is very thin and perfect for a vitamin D boost that doesn't come in supplement form.

Something to try anyway.


Hope it helps. I know how awful insomnia can get.

hf
 Quoting: Seer777



Yes, he can lay down on his stomach Rained here for 3 days but the next sunny day he'll be out there. We ride a 3 wheel motorcycle on days when he can tolerate it, I'm tanned as can be and he is on his arms and upper legs. We have a pool and I use it a bit, he has been in one time this year though. A pool is one of those things.....great till you get it then it's a snoozer.

I try to sit in the sun myself at least 20 minutes a day during summer for that extra D boost
 Quoting: wvgal57


Good to hear. You two sound like fun. :)

Usually people tan the fronts of their legs..for myself I had a moment where I watched my dog lay out in the Sun and always followed it..to get his belly.

I live in the PNW and for months out of the year..it is cloudy and rainy here. No sun at all. Dark. Dreary.


I realized that I hadn't had sunshine on the backs of my knees..since I could last remember and decided to try it.

Sleep that night was no less than a miracle for me. I was so sleep deprived I thought I would become psychotic.. People need to sleep.

I've always carried a proper bedtime, even as a child..but nothing I tried worked. I was close to giving up completely.

Until I laid in the sun for 20 minutes that day.


The next morning was no less than a religious experience. That's how bad I needed to sleep.
 Quoting: Seer777



YEP .. the need for sleep and he has BEGGED his doctor even a mild nerve pill but due to the opiod epidemic they are so friggin tight with stuff now that the real pain patients are suffering.

His clinic won't allow ANYthing like Xanex or anxiety meds along with pain meds even though they KNOW that chronic pain makes their patients have anxiety. They are so afraid to get hauled in by the med board and the DEA

He is most definitely sleep deprived and he has black lung, this COVID has made us mostly hermits but we do try to ride the bike when he is able.

Tip for CanAm ... the 3 wheel Spyder Roadster is an awesome ride for anyone disabled ... he has a build up shoe of 2 inches and a regular bike was out of the question. We are pleased with the Spyder
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For some, Benadryl is a more effective sleep aid than actual sleeping pills.
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Yep it works for me but he's just taken so much of it I guess he's gone all tolerant
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4 50mg Dramamine

Eat something sweet right before taking them and swallow them fast. He will feel strange for a little bit but will be able to sleep.

Don't take them every day or he will build a tolerance and need more to work. They don't hurt anything but higher doses will make most pretty zoned out so stay as low dosed as possible.

If they work for him you can get 100ct bottles off amazon for cheap, look for the generic, Dimenhydrinate.
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You're welcome.

I'm not sure with his pain condition if he would be able to lay down on a lawn chair or grass/towel on his stomach..but the skin behind the knees is very thin and perfect for a vitamin D boost that doesn't come in supplement form.

Something to try anyway.


Hope it helps. I know how awful insomnia can get.

hf
 Quoting: Seer777



Yes, he can lay down on his stomach Rained here for 3 days but the next sunny day he'll be out there. We ride a 3 wheel motorcycle on days when he can tolerate it, I'm tanned as can be and he is on his arms and upper legs. We have a pool and I use it a bit, he has been in one time this year though. A pool is one of those things.....great till you get it then it's a snoozer.

I try to sit in the sun myself at least 20 minutes a day during summer for that extra D boost
 Quoting: wvgal57


Good to hear. You two sound like fun. :)

Usually people tan the fronts of their legs..for myself I had a moment where I watched my dog lay out in the Sun and always followed it..to get his belly.

I live in the PNW and for months out of the year..it is cloudy and rainy here. No sun at all. Dark. Dreary.


I realized that I hadn't had sunshine on the backs of my knees..since I could last remember and decided to try it.

Sleep that night was no less than a miracle for me. I was so sleep deprived I thought I would become psychotic.. People need to sleep.

I've always carried a proper bedtime, even as a child..but nothing I tried worked. I was close to giving up completely.

Until I laid in the sun for 20 minutes that day.


The next morning was no less than a religious experience. That's how bad I needed to sleep.
 Quoting: Seer777



YEP .. the need for sleep and he has BEGGED his doctor even a mild nerve pill but due to the opiod epidemic they are so friggin tight with stuff now that the real pain patients are suffering.

His clinic won't allow ANYthing like Xanex or anxiety meds along with pain meds even though they KNOW that chronic pain makes their patients have anxiety. They are so afraid to get hauled in by the med board and the DEA

He is most definitely sleep deprived and he has black lung, this COVID has made us mostly hermits but we do try to ride the bike when he is able.

Tip for CanAm ... the 3 wheel Spyder Roadster is an awesome ride for anyone disabled ... he has a build up shoe of 2 inches and a regular bike was out of the question. We are pleased with the Spyder
 Quoting: wvgal57


Nerve pain is the worst. I know that too.

I've heard from others that opioids and Xanex are close to Hell to get off of, but then if you absolutely need it..seems like a Catch-22.

My partner's parents both ride the 3 wheel tricycles to stay active.

They had my partner..their son..tune up their bikes a couple weeks back. I was told the older one(they have 3) was $12,000! I couldn't believe it.

But..keeping active in their 70s, is good to see.

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Due to the opiod restrictions where I live you cannot receive Ambien, or ANY other sleep medication along with something like Norco, etc.

My doc has tried EVERYTHING in the antidepressant area to try to help my hubby sleep

He has tried Melatonin to no avail

Does anyone have any recommendations or tips. He is chronic pain patient but takes very little pain meds, he gets a lot of steroid injection with varied results.

He has a recalled hip which is implanted in a very complicated way due to a crushed acetabulum. He has a right knee replacement and 4 level back fusion.

He recently started with severe hip pain and they THINK it's SI Joint so he got a chiropractor who is limited in what he can do because of all of his surgeriers

I just started him on Tumeric for inflammation, also started Quercertin a few weeks ago, he takes 50,000 Vit D weekly, Zinc and Calcium and a Daily Mens vitamin

Can't sleep at all
 Quoting: wvgal57


Doxylamine Succinate, which is sold over the counter as a sleep aid, is very effective! In fact, you need to take it a few hours before sleep so that it wears off before too late the next morning. It is similar to benedryl, but even stronger in helping one to sleep. If you haven't tried it, its very worth a try. CVS has a store brand bottle with 96 tablets. Its cheap.
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4 50mg Dramamine

Eat something sweet right before taking them and swallow them fast. He will feel strange for a little bit but will be able to sleep.

Don't take them every day or he will build a tolerance and need more to work. They don't hurt anything but higher doses will make most pretty zoned out so stay as low dosed as possible.

If they work for him you can get 100ct bottles off amazon for cheap, look for the generic, Dimenhydrinate.
 Quoting: bhdz71


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Our Spyder Roadster was 23,000 ... we actually took a new 2 year old to get that price!! New ones are $32,000 but boy are they a dream for older folks
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Our Spyder Roadster was 23,000 ... we actually took a new 2 year old to get that price!! New ones are $32,000 but boy are they a dream for older folks
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This is the kind they have. Recumbent tricycle.

My FIL is closing in on 80 years old and he rides his for a hours every day.



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Maybe paying bills keeps him up at night?
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