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wvgal57  (OP)

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Maybe paying bills keeps him up at night?
 Quoting: pool



Actually we are debt free. We are both senior citizens so that's all done with.

He says he feels tired when he goes to bed but his mind does not shut down. Tried tons of different anti depressants that are supposed to cause sleepiness.

He is not depressed at all .. we understand life hits you hard and you have to roll with the punches

He's a coal miner with 33 years underground in the coal mines so he knows hard life
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Has he tried Kratom?
My husband is also in chronic physical (back, knee - life of a ditch digger) and mental (ptsd) pain. he used to take and then abuse opiods. then he started on kratom on a whim and was able to completley get off opioids.
kratom has its own physical dependency but nothing like the hard stuff.
helps his pain during the day and helps him sleep at night (higher dose at night).
legal in almost all states.
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Electronics. Dont use them the last two hours before bed

TV
Computer
Phone
WiFi (turn it OFF in the night)
Etc.
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Has he tried Kratom?
My husband is also in chronic physical (back, knee - life of a ditch digger) and mental (ptsd) pain. he used to take and then abuse opiods. then he started on kratom on a whim and was able to completley get off opioids.
kratom has its own physical dependency but nothing like the hard stuff.
helps his pain during the day and helps him sleep at night (higher dose at night).
legal in almost all states.
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I thought they banned Kratom ... I had read about it in the past and actually thought about it.

I think I asked at the GNC store about it but at the time no luck

How do you get it???
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Been struggling with this for years and trying different solutions.

I see ppl have covered most of the typical suggestions. Here are some atypical supplements that help me, the only things that help me, actually:

lithium orotate (some may need this hours before bed)
l-ornithine hcl(about 1.5 hrs before bed)
l-lysine
holy basil
high-dose niacin/niacinamide (works very well for me, but after a few days on it I end up with panic attacks. This side effect is apparently rare) Also with niacin you need to work up to larger doses, as many can't handle the flush
calcium

Make sure he gets plenty of lycopene in his diet. All of these can be taken together except calcium and lysine as lysine increases calcium absorption which can lead to problems. Anyway it's probably best to try one at a time to see how it affects him. Good luck
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All you need is sun! Lay in it as much as you can!
wvgal57  (OP)

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Some very helpful information. Thank you ALL
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Melatonin and “Rescue” sleep spray by (bach)

Nighty night!
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Relief factor pain med - look it up!

Marijuana or CBD oil or both!

Good luck, I said a prayer for him and you!
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Has he tried Kratom?
My husband is also in chronic physical (back, knee - life of a ditch digger) and mental (ptsd) pain. he used to take and then abuse opiods. then he started on kratom on a whim and was able to completley get off opioids.
kratom has its own physical dependency but nothing like the hard stuff.
helps his pain during the day and helps him sleep at night (higher dose at night).
legal in almost all states.
ground up tree leaves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70151381


I thought they banned Kratom ... I had read about it in the past and actually thought about it.

I think I asked at the GNC store about it but at the time no luck

How do you get it???
 Quoting: wvgal57


There are a number of online places to buy it and lots of local headshops sell it (at a HUGE 10X markup). It is legal in most states, I believe this is the current list of illegal states: Alabama, Arkansas, Indiana, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington D.C. Wisconsin.
My favorite vendor has started requiring people to set up an account before being allowed to see products on their site, but it is an easy setup. [link to www.smileytimeherbals.com (secure)]
Another good vendor is: [link to laughinglionherbs.com (secure)]
and you can check out their prices without signing in.
The best price is $85/kilogram.
My husband is a bigger guy (and ex-opiod user) so his dose is somewhere around 2-3 flat tablespoons.
He started off with using the most popular Red Bali strain, but has since moved over to green strains.
Slight different effect for each, but a seasoned user will notice.
There used to be a whole subreddit (ugh) about it /r/kratom where there would be lots of good info and vendor lists, but i think they took vendor lists out.
I am happy to help if you need more info. I think its a shame that they push opioids on suffering people, which, in my experience has only just lead to further suffering for the patient and then the whole family. Point being, I don't stand to gain anything here, I just want to share something that helped me & my family immensely and I hope will be of help to as many others as will find it. PLUR <3
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Due to the opiod restrictions where I live you cannot receive Ambien, or ANY other sleep medication along with something like Norco, etc.

My doc has tried EVERYTHING in the antidepressant area to try to help my hubby sleep

He has tried Melatonin to no avail

Does anyone have any recommendations or tips. He is chronic pain patient but takes very little pain meds, he gets a lot of steroid injection with varied results.

He has a recalled hip which is implanted in a very complicated way due to a crushed acetabulum. He has a right knee replacement and 4 level back fusion.

He recently started with severe hip pain and they THINK it's SI Joint so he got a chiropractor who is limited in what he can do because of all of his surgeriers

I just started him on Tumeric for inflammation, also started Quercertin a few weeks ago, he takes 50,000 Vit D weekly, Zinc and Calcium and a Daily Mens vitamin

Can't sleep at all
 Quoting: wvgal57


Trazadone doesn't work? Knocks me right out.
Just trying to bring rational thinking to the net.
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Lovey, CBD oil doesn't show up in UAs because there's so little THC in it, nearly none.

It's the THC oil that you don't want to get.


Although it sounds like your husband is going to need more than one aide to help him sleep. I need more than one. I take melatonin, two different kinds of muscle relaxers, and a benadryl.


I also used to take CBD oil, and I would fall right to sleep after 20 mins., but I also was taking those things above.


I wonder if your husband has tried a muscle relaxer at night. That it helps me to sleep is just the icing on the cake. What it helps with is my osteoarthritis. I don't get all cramped up and stiff while sleeping. It helps to keep my body limber, and I'm able to pop right out of bed in the morning.

A 5 mg. flexeril is only a part of my "recipe" for a better nights sleep.


Where are you getting the turmeric? Have you looked into Astaxanthin (red micro algae)?....that is kickass for keeping inflammation down, along with the turmeric.
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Due to the opiod restrictions where I live you cannot receive Ambien, or ANY other sleep medication along with something like Norco, etc.

My doc has tried EVERYTHING in the antidepressant area to try to help my hubby sleep

He has tried Melatonin to no avail

Does anyone have any recommendations or tips. He is chronic pain patient but takes very little pain meds, he gets a lot of steroid injection with varied results.

He has a recalled hip which is implanted in a very complicated way due to a crushed acetabulum. He has a right knee replacement and 4 level back fusion.

He recently started with severe hip pain and they THINK it's SI Joint so he got a chiropractor who is limited in what he can do because of all of his surgeriers

I just started him on Tumeric for inflammation, also started Quercertin a few weeks ago, he takes 50,000 Vit D weekly, Zinc and Calcium and a Daily Mens vitamin

Can't sleep at all
 Quoting: wvgal57


I take "Sleep Aid" which is an antihistamine. Cheap and effective. Try Amazon.
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Has he tried using niacin? It supposedly increases gaba. It's not fun to use though because of the flush.
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I have sleep issues do to a twisted spine.The only thing that helps me sleep is whiskey. Also, those Dodo devices supposedly work well.
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You said he takes magnesium but what kind? Most kinds are poorly absorbed. try Natural Calm powder it is a highly absorbable form of magnesium.
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Have him try "Kratom red boreno" or some other Red strain of Kratom; It's a plant that comes from SE Asia that helps with stress and pain. You can find some online. Also, Take Vitamin B3 and magnesium supplements along with it. The supplements will help to magnify the effects of the Kratom.
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2 shots of canadian club and 2 beers works for me OP
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I have sleep issues do to a twisted spine.The only thing that helps me sleep is whiskey. Also, those Dodo devices supposedly work well.
 Quoting: Ashford


ditto that- 4 compression fractures and blown disks here

along with 23 other broken or crushed bones

the docs are stingy with the meds and it is a costly time consuming ordeal

besides--when Percocet wears off the pain is amplified and headaches are acute

long ago-- in 73 was the injury- it took me 2 years or so to sort it out

i wince and grumble through the day and get the work done

grab the cash

work until 8:30

and get in the chair with 3 shots of whiskey and 2 beers

i am able to sleep--if you want to call it that for a couple hours- then toss and turn until i cant stand it any longer and get up- 4-6ish

sucks--but it's the life of a chronic pain working class citizen of the united states of trump
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My wife would have trouble sleep and I'd warm up some safflower oil with some melted cocoa butter. Then massage her pushing the blood back towards the heart. You start with the person's feet and legs generally as the most blood is pooled there. Then massage the fingers and palms and you're supposed to flick your fingers after as negative energy is captured there. Then do their arms. Then do buttocks, hips, lower back and up to decompress the spine. Then neck and head.

It's a little messy but massage their hair as it's no different than a hot oil treatment. Generally a LOT of tension is in the lower back, shoulders, neck, and scalp.

They will fall fast asleep especially is soft music is playing.

When someone is tense, they should let out sighs or groans to fully relax.

Works like a charm. It's intimate but need not become sexual especially when a spouse is sleep deprived.
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If you don't have a lot of time, you do their hands and feet, neck, face and scalp.

Many folks have bad neck tension and their cervical vertebra is locked up. Feel along the back of your neck. They should be a groove and when tense, very commonly one is out of alignment, so you rub along there and it POP back where it's supposed to be.

When someone gets a "crick" in their neck, just doing that "intentionally" but carefully, sometimes they get immediate relief. It surprises them as otherwise someone might suffer for 48 hours with it and can't sleep.
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When a guy goes to bed, he likes it cooler as he sleeps more soundly and wants to make love so he can fully relax.

Ladies go take a shower trying to relax, then get in bed and start fretting over problems and so get wound up. Scented candles used routinely set a pattern that "it's relaxation time now". So like vanilla or gardenia is good for that. They generally want affection and cuddling to relax, not necessarily making love. She probably wants it warmer.

It's a terrible idea to get wound up by talking about some problem right before bed. It's not the time.
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Lovey, CBD oil doesn't show up in UAs because there's so little THC in it, nearly none.

It's the THC oil that you don't want to get.


Although it sounds like your husband is going to need more than one aide to help him sleep. I need more than one. I take melatonin, two different kinds of muscle relaxers, and a benadryl.


I also used to take CBD oil, and I would fall right to sleep after 20 mins., but I also was taking those things above.


I wonder if your husband has tried a muscle relaxer at night. That it helps me to sleep is just the icing on the cake. What it helps with is my osteoarthritis. I don't get all cramped up and stiff while sleeping. It helps to keep my body limber, and I'm able to pop right out of bed in the morning.

A 5 mg. flexeril is only a part of my "recipe" for a better nights sleep.


Where are you getting the turmeric? Have you looked into Astaxanthin (red micro algae)?....that is kickass for keeping inflammation down, along with the turmeric.
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy



He has been on every muscle relaxer known to doctors .. I mean EVERY

The Turmeric I got is a liquid in an orange can recommended by another lady I found who had an SI joint problem by UNOI Gold, it is Liquid which she said she used and that it had helped her a lot. This one has pepper in it

Didn't realize about the CBD oil ...I will try to find some today and get him on it
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also he has high blood pressure so we have to be sure to watch anything like those antihistamines. I do know they make one for high blood pressure so I'll get a box of that

It's to the point that it is interrupting MY sleep although I take a sleep aid that is NOT recommended even for women but the doctor writes it for me because I've been insomniac for years but not due to pain issues just a thing of when I lay down my mind brings up every thing from the day and for the next day lol

I have heard that about TV and net ....shutting it down but I don't do that either

Being home bound a lot makes you turn to the net and tv
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Due to the opiod restrictions where I live you cannot receive Ambien, or ANY other sleep medication along with something like Norco, etc.

My doc has tried EVERYTHING in the antidepressant area to try to help my hubby sleep

He has tried Melatonin to no avail

Does anyone have any recommendations or tips. He is chronic pain patient but takes very little pain meds, he gets a lot of steroid injection with varied results.

He has a recalled hip which is implanted in a very complicated way due to a crushed acetabulum. He has a right knee replacement and 4 level back fusion.

He recently started with severe hip pain and they THINK it's SI Joint so he got a chiropractor who is limited in what he can do because of all of his surgeriers

I just started him on Tumeric for inflammation, also started Quercertin a few weeks ago, he takes 50,000 Vit D weekly, Zinc and Calcium and a Daily Mens vitamin

Can't sleep at all
 Quoting: wvgal57


My own experience: when you sleep on the wrong place, you cannot sleep but get sick, as the body recreates in sleep ONLY!

HAve your house & sleeping room checked for EARTH MAGNETIC FIELDS & LINES!!!!!
No joke, could be the reason...

Good luck!
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GABA works good.
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Otc gaba makes me feel like a rag doll. Very nice. Just sit relaxed melting into the couch.

Depending on the pain, maybe Gabapentin. It helps my pain some, and most definitely helps me sleep. ( Nerve pain - like nerves in face, or sciatica. )

There are certain “cocktails” of prescription and otc meds you can mix. But you have to be real careful.

I have migraines and am not supposed to take any narcotics or otc headache meds. My first neuro appointment they taught me how to do this. ( If I go to ER, they always ask me what cocktail I’m using.)

I won’t post Combos cuz it could be dangerous to use without a doc’s info.

( My normal doc’s jaw dropped when he learned this. Ignorant fuck. Most docs are pretty dim, unless they specialize.)
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Maybe paying bills keeps him up at night?
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I've had all my bills on auto-draft for 25 years...I see no reason to buy stamps, envelopes, and stacks of checkbooks...
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Ashwagandha helps a person sleep better and wake up more refreshed.

Eating lamb or beef liver might help with pain.
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DOXYLAMINE SUCCINATE WORKS GOOD.

[link to www.ebay.com (secure)]

THE GENERIC BRAND IS JUST AS GOOD.
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DOXYLAMINE SUCCINATE WORKS GOOD.

[link to www.ebay.com (secure)]

THE GENERIC BRAND IS JUST AS GOOD.
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Take only half the first time you use it a whole pill usually keeps me sleepy during the day. The pills are easy to break.





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