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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7279210 United States 08/09/2020 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7279210 I think youre in the bullshit department. Ive seen 8 footers So I know they exist Theres no need for coring at 24 ft, theres really no need for such equipment, since regular mining techniques will be less expensive and anyway, you'd still need to mine the spoils out of the hole. It could be done, but thers no point to it and it would be more expensive with nothing to gain. Sorry, Im calling bullshit unless I see some validation that anyone would be stupid enough to build one and use it. they use 60 ft on the Seattle viaduct replacement. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] I've seen those with my own eyes and met one of the site managers at a bar a few years ago. . Thats a TBM. Everyone knows of those. Thats not what is being discussed here. OPs making the claim that hes involved with a house sized rotating core drill for vertical boring. If you think about the logistics, its pretty stupid, since if youre coring out a huge hole, you still have to revert to traditional measures to empty out the spoils. That makes the huge expense of not only the can drill not to mention the even larger motor device that moves it and lifts the components. This can drill can only go straight, so therse no benefit. I call bullshit and will continue to because I cant find proof of such a device larger than 8 ft, and I dont see a benefit in making one much larger than that. Prove me wrong. Nope wrong. They are automated. They take out everything they cut through. OP said its an edge excavator, although he was pretty vague about it. The boring cans do not have a removal system since they only cut along the rim of the can. Its not a tbm. Its not up to me to prove it 'AINT' Igs up to the rest of you to prove it 'IS' and so far, nothing but horse pucky |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77413997 United States 08/09/2020 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had a equipment mechanic from cowin talking to me about something similar the other day. I run excavators in Madison and we somehow stumbled on the topic of this uptick in the topic your discussing BM. I’m wondering if it isn’t to mine asteroids or drill them to maybe destroy any piece that may be left if we are entering a debris field?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7279210 United States 08/09/2020 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no, its not. Anything supposedly needing a 24 ft diameter core drill and all the attendant infrastructure and power requirements and tool handling infrastructure isnt going to be handled with a crew of mexicans or your standard OTR transport. |
doglikeRoRuctions User ID: 79238210 United States 08/09/2020 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Asteroid debris fields are coming!!!! That's what they're preparing for and time has almost run out. The debris fields are filled with hundreds of thousands of asteroids ranging in size from NFL football stadiums to size of Manhattan and even a couple dozen the size of Rhode Island. If just 20 ASTEROIDS the size of Manhattan hit the earth, EXTINCTION will occur! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78211224 Good luck going UNDERGROUND, very high probability it won't do you any good. Sorry forgot to say that 65% of the debris fields is filled with ASTEROIDS about 150-200 feet wide, 33% is NFL football stadiums sized asteroids and 2% Manhattan sized asteroids. When is it going to be here The first .5% of the debris fields will start hitting the earth before this Halloween and through the winter. About another 3% of the debris field will hit throughout next year, but the largest percentage of the field between 20-33% will hit between 2022-24. Maybe another 4-7% between 2025-28. But I think 199/200 humans will be wiped out by late summer of 2022, Just an estimate, only time will tell what exactly happens. We've estimated that no more than 43% of the debris fields will hit the Earth. One hope is the the US or Russia has weapons in space to help mitigate these threads. Weaponizing of space started as early as the 1970's when Russians had a 30mm gun aboard a Soviet space station for defence. It's speculated that both countries have been launching newer and better weapons, but very few if any know the true extend of whats really up there. If what you post is accurate then our hope is that the got something up there to hit these thing on arrival. [link to phys.org (secure)] doglikeRoRuctions |
NOLAangel User ID: 78128369 United States 08/09/2020 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good info BM and thanks for sharing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7279210 United States 08/09/2020 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had a equipment mechanic from cowin talking to me about something similar the other day. I run excavators in Madison and we somehow stumbled on the topic of this uptick in the topic your discussing BM. I’m wondering if it isn’t to mine asteroids or drill them to maybe destroy any piece that may be left if we are entering a debris field?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77413997 You may be unaware that the region around Sudbury Canada is an asteroid impact site, and why its mineral wealth is there. So asteroid impacts are already being mined, in Sudbury, where the worlds largest nickle mine is. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76028023 United States 08/09/2020 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you mean like this.. Quoting: Grove Street you mean like the NASA underground boring machines they've had forever. can't get the link to work.. but google NASA undergound boring machines and click images. that stuff can make serious bunkers and quick! Interesting..too much going on. We must not live in fear or we won’t survive. Everyone, get a grip on this. Go back to work. Make America great again. Focus on the possibly of a new future and adapting to it. We are more modern, don’t go backwards. Be united. Care for others. Get a haircut. Suck in that gut. Don't look at me, boy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77413997 United States 08/09/2020 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had a equipment mechanic from cowin talking to me about something similar the other day. I run excavators in Madison and we somehow stumbled on the topic of this uptick in the topic your discussing BM. I’m wondering if it isn’t to mine asteroids or drill them to maybe destroy any piece that may be left if we are entering a debris field?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77413997 You may be unaware that the region around Sudbury Canada is an asteroid impact site, and why its mineral wealth is there. So asteroid impacts are already being mined, in Sudbury, where the worlds largest nickle mine is. I did not...learn something everyday. |
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Elegant Walnut User ID: 75585242 Canada 08/09/2020 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We've estimated that no more than 43% of the debris fields will hit the Earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77872036 OK, AC. I'm listening. Who is "We?" I can't say specifically at this point. But think ASTROPHYSICISTS . And our minimum estimates of how much of the debris fields will hit is about 21%. So somewhere in the 21%-43% range should occur. That would be catastrophic. Care to start a thread, AC? Tell us as much as can and what you, personally, are doing to prepare. |
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rewind Militant Bitch User ID: 79160306 United States 08/09/2020 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79242797 they use 60 ft on the Seattle viaduct replacement. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] I've seen those with my own eyes and met one of the site managers at a bar a few years ago. . Thats a TBM. Everyone knows of those. Thats not what is being discussed here. OPs making the claim that hes involved with a house sized rotating core drill for vertical boring. If you think about the logistics, its pretty stupid, since if youre coring out a huge hole, you still have to revert to traditional measures to empty out the spoils. That makes the huge expense of not only the can drill not to mention the even larger motor device that moves it and lifts the components. This can drill can only go straight, so therse no benefit. I call bullshit and will continue to because I cant find proof of such a device larger than 8 ft, and I dont see a benefit in making one much larger than that. Prove me wrong. spoiler alert: You don't know everything. And you do? My job is actually to know as much as is possible. You may not be aware of what it takes to build and maintain the type of tech OP claims. A 24 foot cutter would need a casing of at least a foot thick of steel to not fold or wrinkle from rotatory forces that smaller can coring needs. You dont control the required thousands of tons of steel and carbide with a portable compressor/hydraulics pumps/ If you use a vibrating technlology its even worse when trying to vibrate-abraid the degree of rock face to get any significant depth, the the motors and pumps for any of these. Again, its not just about cutting a path in the rock, the rock has to be removed and the core drill doesnt do that, so that has to be done the old fashioned way, with drills, explosives and cranes. Given that, theres no need for the vertical can borer in the first place. The may part of the TBMs is the spoils removal system, which doesnt work in a vertical boring can because it only cuts along its edges and leaves the core intact. If I dont know anything about this, and I have an excavation company, then what do you know? you like to type . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7279210 United States 08/09/2020 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had a equipment mechanic from cowin talking to me about something similar the other day. I run excavators in Madison and we somehow stumbled on the topic of this uptick in the topic your discussing BM. I’m wondering if it isn’t to mine asteroids or drill them to maybe destroy any piece that may be left if we are entering a debris field?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77413997 You may be unaware that the region around Sudbury Canada is an asteroid impact site, and why its mineral wealth is there. So asteroid impacts are already being mined, in Sudbury, where the worlds largest nickle mine is. I did not...learn something everyday. Theres also a small impact site smack dab in the middle of the mitten in Michigan. It goes from lake Michigan to lake Huron. Its of course been ground flat by succession of glaciers, but if you look at the bedrock hydrology you get a perfect round star pattern of bedrock fractures and there are no others, and you heard it here first, folks. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7279210 United States 08/09/2020 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7279210 Thats a TBM. Everyone knows of those. Thats not what is being discussed here. OPs making the claim that hes involved with a house sized rotating core drill for vertical boring. If you think about the logistics, its pretty stupid, since if youre coring out a huge hole, you still have to revert to traditional measures to empty out the spoils. That makes the huge expense of not only the can drill not to mention the even larger motor device that moves it and lifts the components. This can drill can only go straight, so therse no benefit. I call bullshit and will continue to because I cant find proof of such a device larger than 8 ft, and I dont see a benefit in making one much larger than that. Prove me wrong. spoiler alert: You don't know everything. :rof: And you do? My job is actually to know as much as is possible. You may not be aware of what it takes to build and maintain the type of tech OP claims. A 24 foot cutter would need a casing of at least a foot thick of steel to not fold or wrinkle from rotatory forces that smaller can coring needs. You dont control the required thousands of tons of steel and carbide with a portable compressor/hydraulics pumps/ If you use a vibrating technlology its even worse when trying to vibrate-abraid the degree of rock face to get any significant depth, the the motors and pumps for any of these. Again, its not just about cutting a path in the rock, the rock has to be removed and the core drill doesnt do that, so that has to be done the old fashioned way, with drills, explosives and cranes. Given that, theres no need for the vertical can borer in the first place. The may part of the TBMs is the spoils removal system, which doesnt work in a vertical boring can because it only cuts along its edges and leaves the core intact. If I dont know anything about this, and I have an excavation company, then what do you know? you like to type . I like to disprove bullshit even more. Most dont have my experience and skillsets and are prone to flights of fancy with minimum encouragement. |
Bush Master (OP) User ID: 72455497 United States 08/09/2020 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79242797 they use 60 ft on the Seattle viaduct replacement. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] I've seen those with my own eyes and met one of the site managers at a bar a few years ago. . Thats a TBM. Everyone knows of those. Thats not what is being discussed here. OPs making the claim that hes involved with a house sized rotating core drill for vertical boring. If you think about the logistics, its pretty stupid, since if youre coring out a huge hole, you still have to revert to traditional measures to empty out the spoils. That makes the huge expense of not only the can drill not to mention the even larger motor device that moves it and lifts the components. This can drill can only go straight, so therse no benefit. I call bullshit and will continue to because I cant find proof of such a device larger than 8 ft, and I dont see a benefit in making one much larger than that. Prove me wrong. spoiler alert: You don't know everything. And you do? My job is actually to know as much as is possible. You may not be aware of what it takes to build and maintain the type of tech OP claims. A 24 foot cutter would need a casing of at least a foot thick of steel to not fold or wrinkle from rotatory forces that smaller can coring needs. You dont control the required thousands of tons of steel and carbide with a portable compressor/hydraulics pumps/ If you use a vibrating technlology its even worse when trying to vibrate-abraid the degree of rock face to get any significant depth, the the motors and pumps for any of these. Again, its not just about cutting a path in the rock, the rock has to be removed and the core drill doesnt do that, so that has to be done the old fashioned way, with drills, explosives and cranes. Given that, theres no need for the vertical can borer in the first place. The may part of the TBMs is the spoils removal system, which doesnt work in a vertical boring can because it only cuts along its edges and leaves the core intact. If I dont know anything about this, and I have an excavation company, then what do you know? Not if there is a plate at both ends and one of the plates opens while digging and when reversed it closes. |
Bush Master (OP) User ID: 72455497 United States 08/09/2020 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IDK we just make and sell them. Digging rock and dirt is all I know. They could be used for mining Last Edited by Bush Master on 08/09/2020 10:45 AM |
rewind Militant Bitch User ID: 79160306 United States 08/09/2020 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And you do? My job is actually to know as much as is possible. You may not be aware of what it takes to build and maintain the type of tech OP claims. A 24 foot cutter would need a casing of at least a foot thick of steel to not fold or wrinkle from rotatory forces that smaller can coring needs. You dont control the required thousands of tons of steel and carbide with a portable compressor/hydraulics pumps/ If you use a vibrating technlology its even worse when trying to vibrate-abraid the degree of rock face to get any significant depth, the the motors and pumps for any of these. Again, its not just about cutting a path in the rock, the rock has to be removed and the core drill doesnt do that, so that has to be done the old fashioned way, with drills, explosives and cranes. Given that, theres no need for the vertical can borer in the first place. The may part of the TBMs is the spoils removal system, which doesnt work in a vertical boring can because it only cuts along its edges and leaves the core intact. If I dont know anything about this, and I have an excavation company, then what do you know? you like to type . I like to disprove bullshit even more. Most dont have my experience and skillsets and are prone to flights of fancy with minimum encouragement. excavating is cool.. respect.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7279210 United States 08/09/2020 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For attention. All thats missing is proof, motive and purpose. Do you people know what it takes to make something like OP claims and make it work? If its as OP claims, youd be able to see it and its associated mechanicals from space. Put another way digging a large hole straight down doesnt need anything invented newer than say 1500 years ago. |
Bush Master (OP) User ID: 72455497 United States 08/09/2020 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7279210 Thats a TBM. Everyone knows of those. Thats not what is being discussed here. OPs making the claim that hes involved with a house sized rotating core drill for vertical boring. If you think about the logistics, its pretty stupid, since if youre coring out a huge hole, you still have to revert to traditional measures to empty out the spoils. That makes the huge expense of not only the can drill not to mention the even larger motor device that moves it and lifts the components. This can drill can only go straight, so therse no benefit. I call bullshit and will continue to because I cant find proof of such a device larger than 8 ft, and I dont see a benefit in making one much larger than that. Prove me wrong. spoiler alert: You don't know everything. And you do? My job is actually to know as much as is possible. You may not be aware of what it takes to build and maintain the type of tech OP claims. A 24 foot cutter would need a casing of at least a foot thick of steel to not fold or wrinkle from rotatory forces that smaller can coring needs. You dont control the required thousands of tons of steel and carbide with a portable compressor/hydraulics pumps/ If you use a vibrating technlology its even worse when trying to vibrate-abraid the degree of rock face to get any significant depth, the the motors and pumps for any of these. Again, its not just about cutting a path in the rock, the rock has to be removed and the core drill doesnt do that, so that has to be done the old fashioned way, with drills, explosives and cranes. Given that, theres no need for the vertical can borer in the first place. The may part of the TBMs is the spoils removal system, which doesnt work in a vertical boring can because it only cuts along its edges and leaves the core intact. If I dont know anything about this, and I have an excavation company, then what do you know? you like to type . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77872036 United States 08/09/2020 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78211224 Sorry forgot to say that 65% of the debris fields is filled with ASTEROIDS about 150-200 feet wide, 33% is NFL football stadiums sized asteroids and 2% Manhattan sized asteroids. When is it going to be here The first .5% of the debris fields will start hitting the earth before this Halloween and through the winter. About another 3% of the debris field will hit throughout next year, but the largest percentage of the field between 20-33% will hit between 2022-24. Maybe another 4-7% between 2025-28. But I think 199/200 humans will be wiped out by late summer of 2022, Just an estimate, only time will tell what exactly happens. We've estimated that no more than 43% of the debris fields will hit the Earth. One hope is the the US or Russia has weapons in space to help mitigate these threads. Weaponizing of space started as early as the 1970's when Russians had a 30mm gun aboard a Soviet space station for defence. It's speculated that both countries have been launching newer and better weapons, but very few if any know the true extend of whats really up there. If what you post is accurate then our hope is that the got something up there to hit these thing on arrival. [link to phys.org (secure)] I appreciate your hope, i really do, but I can say from what I know that they have in space, humans won't be able to stop no more than .2% of the debris fields. Sorry, humans would need to have the sophistication and technology like what is portrayed in the tv Show Star Trek:the next generation to be able to have a chance to stop a majority of these debris fields. And humans today are at least several hundred years from that point. The last time I checked this summer, humans don't have WARP speed Starships, so that right there tells you humans won't be able to stop these debris fields. AND DON'T LET ANY SHILLS ON GLP TRY TO CONVINCE YOU THAT HUMANS IN THE YEAR 2020 HAVE TOP SECRET WARP SPEED STARSHIPS, THAT'S JUST NOT REAL TRUTH TODAY, NOT EVEN CLOSE. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79010931 United States 08/09/2020 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I make large and small eath moving tools. Quoting: Bush Master We have never been busier selling the large core bucket cutters. 24 ft wide. They go to government contractors and directly to the Pentagon. We are sending flatbed after flatbed for months now. Someone is realy doing some digging on a massive scale. We've been on mandatory ot for 2 months now. Mass graves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78892158 Australia 08/09/2020 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, rare earth minerals, not only used in your laptops, also used to build planes, ships and submarines. A sub needs 2,900lb's of it. Pics on link below. A snippit from the article will explain more: CHINA DOMINATES RARE-EARTH PRODUCTION In 2019, China was the number one producer of rare-earth minerals in the world by a significant margin, producing 62 per cent of all rare-earth minerals globally. Including 97 per cent of rare earth ore, 97 per cent of rare earth oxides, 89 per cent of rare earth alloys, 75 per cent of neodymium iron boron magnets (NdFeB) and 60 per cent of samarium cobalt magnets (SmCo). For the United States, China’s near monopoly on certain rare earth minerals is extremely concerning. Approximately 80 per cent of all US rare earth mineral requirements are met by supplies from China, despite the United States possessing the second largest rare earth production capacity in the world. [link to www.news.com.au (secure)] |
rewind Militant Bitch User ID: 79160306 United States 08/09/2020 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did read mining was starting on the moon but figured it was fake news as we are not allowed on the moon? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7279210 United States 08/09/2020 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7279210 And you do? My job is actually to know as much as is possible. You may not be aware of what it takes to build and maintain the type of tech OP claims. A 24 foot cutter would need a casing of at least a foot thick of steel to not fold or wrinkle from rotatory forces that smaller can coring needs. You dont control the required thousands of tons of steel and carbide with a portable compressor/hydraulics pumps/ If you use a vibrating technlology its even worse when trying to vibrate-abraid the degree of rock face to get any significant depth, the the motors and pumps for any of these. Again, its not just about cutting a path in the rock, the rock has to be removed and the core drill doesnt do that, so that has to be done the old fashioned way, with drills, explosives and cranes. Given that, theres no need for the vertical can borer in the first place. The may part of the TBMs is the spoils removal system, which doesnt work in a vertical boring can because it only cuts along its edges and leaves the core intact. If I dont know anything about this, and I have an excavation company, then what do you know? you like to type . I like to disprove bullshit even more. Most dont have my experience and skillsets and are prone to flights of fancy with minimum encouragement. excavating is cool.. respect.. Learning to require proof in the face of wild claims and applying logic is cool too. That said, check into Herrenknecht vertical boring system, its interesting system thats basically a continuous miner system put on a rotating boom and it basically grinds a hole vertically. If thats what OP was referring to he did a poor job of it. |
Mistress C User ID: 77082640 United States 08/09/2020 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, rare earth minerals, not only used in your laptops, also used to build planes, ships and submarines. A sub needs 2,900lb's of it. Pics on link below. A snippit from the article will explain more: CHINA DOMINATES RARE-EARTH PRODUCTION In 2019, China was the number one producer of rare-earth minerals in the world by a significant margin, producing 62 per cent of all rare-earth minerals globally. Including 97 per cent of rare earth ore, 97 per cent of rare earth oxides, 89 per cent of rare earth alloys, 75 per cent of neodymium iron boron magnets (NdFeB) and 60 per cent of samarium cobalt magnets (SmCo). For the United States, China’s near monopoly on certain rare earth minerals is extremely concerning. Approximately 80 per cent of all US rare earth mineral requirements are met by supplies from China, despite the United States possessing the second largest rare earth production capacity in the world. [link to www.news.com.au (secure)] Pebble Bay was just approved to mine, huge resources. |