If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?

Nonsense.
I have been around as well and never saw more homeless and people living out of tents than in the USA.

I was talking about Australia and NZ and Canada

You don't have a flag...where are you? I will discuss your Healthcare

I have a son in medical school in Germany right now...

I live in a very cheap part of the country. I probably pay less than you do for better quality healthcare and schooling.

Nonsense.
I have been around as well and never saw more homeless and people living out of tents than in the USA.

I live in a very cheap part of the country. I probably pay less than you do for better quality healthcare and schooling.

If capitalism is so good why do we rely on socialist china for so many products?

You made a general statement that socialized healthcare has huge waiting time and subpar doctors.

I'm telling that in Europe it's absolutely not the case, since what we socialize is actually the medical insurance (and you can still take an additional one if you fancy), not the hospitals.


The only case of socialized medical service I can think of here are those free GP visits for homeless people. Literally the only case.

This is true. Every social program comes with a tax hike, which creates more poor people who need more social programs, causing more poor people..... it's a death spiral. The only reason Europe hasn't collapsed is because they don't have to pay for their own defense.

If capitalism is so good why do we rely on socialist china for so many products?

I work for the state government and have amazing free Healthcare in the US

I pay $25 for a visit (far less than a socialized medicine co pay)

My yoingest kid has an amazing state of the art school locally. It's free. Not like Australia which has fees.

Bullshit! Homeless people in the USA have cellphones and can beg $100 or more a day in a big city. Try doing that in a 3rd world country.

How much?

I paid 56€ for a shoulder surgery, and 3000$ for an engineer degree in a famous university.

I doubt you would pay less unless you can prove it.

You just admitted that you have a tiered system.

Thats what I referred to as the private system...because every country with "socialized medicine " has a tiered system where people with more money get better care.

The US treats poor people for free. They get the best care.

They are allowed to beg in Europe too.
The homeless person living in their shit on the side walk in the USA is just as bad as the homeless in Mexico City. The only difference is the patch of dirt underneath them.

I haven't had to pay for surgery or college. My kid is in grade school.

Also known as "social policies".


The thing you don't seem to get is that most people don't want socialism. They just want more social security.


It's an american conservative talking point to pretend social policies are a gateway drug to communism.

This is stupid, but it resonates with stupid people

Lol you don't want to answer because you know it would cost more where you live.


Find me a en engineer degree for 3000$ or a surgery for 50$ and I'll believe you.

But I know you lie

You are forgetting the money you pay in taxes every day of your life that got you that degree and surgery. Add that in and see what it comes to.

Who says this?

Why do you refuse to answer this?

Is it because nobody actually says full socialism is good?

But why would capitalists stoop to trade with Commies?
That makes them a hypocrite.

Toe forgetting the money you pay in taxes every day of your life that got you that degree and surgery. Add that in and see what it comes to.

because you are being disingenuous and you know it

Venezuela was doing well until we told them via military force they cannot sell to the rest of the world.

If China blockaded our country via military force and said the USA can trade with no country on the planet, people would be foaming at the mouth with fists raised pushing for war.

1) SO you admit it's cheaper than the US. Thanks for the honesty.
2) not forgetting anything, that's the whole point. I'm OK with higher taxes because it finances my education and health, and that of my children. Unlike the US where only the rich can afford good education, here everyone has a chance.

It's just that Americans can't wrap their head about people happily paying taxes because they are too greedy and selfish. "I prefer to pay more for my children higher education so I'm sure nobody else gets to benefit from my tax". Selfish, shortsighted, sociopathic and just financially irrational

You must have missed my previous answer where I state I happily finance my social safety with 40% income tax.

Funny how you cherry pick what you answer to.

Don't worry your blatant sophistry is noticed.

Again, you use "socialist model" so it seems you have a really hard time separating the government model from the policies.


Almost every country has some social policies. Doesn't make them socialist countries.



So, what most people want is better social policies.

The question you must then ask is, where should I live that has the best social benefits.


A series of European countries fit that bill.




I happily pay up to 40% taxes, you want to know why?


I paid 3000€ for 5 years of study in a famous university to get an engineer degree. If I was in the UK or US, I would still be repaying my student debt.

My dad was hit by a car last december, almost died, spent 2 days in ICU, got 10hrs of reconstructive surgery.

When he got the bill, it was less than 100€

I just had surgery for my shoulder: 50€



If I was in the US, I would pay less tax, but any of these medical situation would leave me with a 200K$ bill.


That shit is purely because the education and healtchare being for-profit will encourage hospitals and schools to overcharge. Far more than what is really necessary, because insurances are going to pay.

It's highly ineffective and creates a class system where only people who have insurances can get healtcare.


With a good social healthcare, you don't ever have to worry about being the victim of an accident because that stuff is already bad that it shouldn't make you a homeless person to make the doctor richer.

You have an Australian flag.
You're in one.

Stay there.