you see the character of black panther was first introduced in captain america civil war

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Fantastic Four #52 July 1966 is the debut for the Black Panther. Comics cost 12¢. He was an unusual character as he was obviously well educated, clever, confident...the opposite of depictions of African Americans as they were typically marginalized and one dimensional.

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The debut of Falcon was in Captain America #117 September 1969. He was much more clearly patriotic and a known quantity as a friend rather than side kick to Cap.

The Black Panther was an early attempt to show autonomy facilitated by a fictitious African nation that hadn't lost it's self-determination. Quite a different ethos which made him surprisingly likeable.

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Luke Cage was an unusual figure that came out of blaxplotation films like Shaft. He's framed for a crime he didn't commit, and rather than be a superhero, he's a mercenary.

See how the political flavor changes with the times?
June 1972

You go from a separate superhero ie an outsider who is independent in 1961, to a patrioic American superhero who just happens to be Black and paired with a superpatriot, to a rogue independent unwilling to be a cookie cutter figure in 1972.

Those charactrers were shaping young adolescent minds on the cusp of being teens. And so that acts as art as propaganda to plant seeds about acceptable behavior and define what is "heroic and fair and just".

Comic books in the Silver Age were not just comic books anymore.

Got news for ya. Comic books (the ones with superheroes) started out as WW2 propaganda. Golden Age is where it started, bub.

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Creepy #1 June 1968 was more expensve at 35¢ and did not have to adhere to the comics code so it could show violent acts, rotting flesh, cannibalism, get away with near nudes, depicted minorities all across the spectrum, and other scenes which were controversial.

Between that and Eerie comics, both were subversive. Frankly all zombie films were political statements against capitalism until fairly recently and were very subversive as were cannibalism films.

I'm probably older than you, Bub.

Yeah but prior to the Comics Code, the Sparred showed a criminal being crushed in a car into bloody pulp, something unheard of and caused complaints. It wasn't until Creepy and Eerie that this returned.

The Submariner during the Golden Age was an oddball comic as he had Asian features which was stickly against WW2 propaganda. They actually had him act in villianous ways too before then depicting in positive roles.

As long as they have Scarlett Johannson in a catsuit all is well.

Sparred was screwed up autocorrect and should be Spectre.


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The comic I discussed from February 1940.

Namor the Submariner April 1939 looking very Asian.
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When he got his own comic, they essentially rebooted the character and had him fighting Nazis.
Oct 1939

So imagine 1939 and the USA is an isolationist nation. The Submariner begins as a menance but is Asian looking and depicted in yellowish skin tones and slanted eyes. He like a White woman who is in the military and she calms him down and the vaguest hint of an interracial romance.

Then he's fighting Nazis when some Americans liked the Germans, as did some in the UK. And so he's a warhawk when most Americans wanted to stay out of the any international conflict.

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This shows an early Submariner issue with Dorma the female quasi-love interest as it was so controversial in 1939.

Later they chicken out as America enters the war and she's a mermaid instead from his kingdom ie just like him so not controversy.

No, Black Panther was first introduced in a Fantastic Four comic back in 1966.

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were pretty forward thinking, but they botched on his name because of the paramilitary group so for a time Black Panther was calked the Black Leopard.

Obviously he was nothing like the Black Panthers in America.

During the turbulent time, there a claim that one had to do heinous crimes against White Americans to join the Black Panthers which you can look up yourselves. They were NEVER heroic figures.

one of the worst movies I ever saw. Unwatchable.

Superheroes/villians are people with supernatural power. If they don't have that but either technology or well-honed skills then they would be considered vigilantes or mercenaries because they're never going to court for the assaults and murders and damage they cause.

They're all just cops, they really don't care about morality that's why they're never teaching people about morality but instead just like cops do punish people for their bad actions after the fact, or in the case of villains try to take over the world mwuahaha.

I heard it was unwatchable, which is a shame as the character deserved better and for his story to be according to canon. I fondy remember reading those early comicbooks especially since it was novel. Black characters were not written well whatsoever then.

From the start he was a dangerous superhero, but benign. He was brilliant and skilled and you would not want him as an adversary.

Meanwhile DC comics were still written for kids as opposed to Marvel comics which soldiers read.

DC comics realized they had a campy corny quality that appealedtokids in the mid-sixties, anand were losing the soldier audience, so began stories like this showing peril.

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Sgt. Rock appeared in 1959 and was a popular soldier's comic. There was a clear seperation between comics for kids/teens and soldiers.

Young people have weird ideas about how Whites and Black Americans interacted in the sixties. We were not enemies even in redneck regions. I'm a redneck. They lived in certain parts of town and people interacted but sure didn't date. Black parents would have been just as upset as White parents. It irritated Black ladies if a Black guy complimented or whistled at a White lady. It made a Black lady feel inferior as if she isn't good enough.

What few Asian Americans existed had it far worse and people were suspicious of any interracial marriage as it was technically illegal.

My parents would have slapped me if I used derogatory language as that was uncouth. Low class people did that. My friends sure didn't use that language or I wouldn't have been friends with them.

'Can't speak for the Deep South like Alabama. It was bad there as Birmingham was called Bombingham as asshats would destroy homes and churches.

Crazy leftists who were "fellow travelers" aka pinkos and reds would buy a home in a White part of town and sell it privately to a Black family. That's the part you were not taught in school.

Look up Carl and Ann Braden. They are communists who tried this scheme in 1954 so acting as subversives to intentions cause racial unrest. That kind of scheme was dangerous to everyone, rather than slowly working through legislation and the judiciary.

Imagine living then and so there is "white flight" and real estate plummets, thus even broad minded people were furious at communist subversion.

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Four Little Girls is an excellent documentary on four young African American adolescents who died in church bombings in Birmingham, Alabama. It's well made and fairly balanced despite the director.

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Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967)
This is one the earliest attempts to discuss interracial relationships. Watch it sometime to see how Sidney Pontier's parents are unhappy and his father is upset.

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Sayonara (1957)
So many American soldiers were in the Pacific Theatre and meeting Japanese ladies that romance was inevitable although marriage was illegal. It was a gutsy film then. It might have tanked Brando's career, but luckily didn't.

It's worth watching just to see what things were like then.

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The Ground that was broken by Sayonara (1957), then made If tomorrow Comes (1971) to be far less controversial as so many Japanese ladies by then had been marrying American soldiers for so long.

That swapped the siutuation, and had a Californian young White American lady who falls in love with a Japanese American man on the cusp of the Pearl Harbor attack and the subsequent internment camps.

It's hard to find but is frequently on youtube.

I know; nothing about Lynard Skynard in it. gtfo

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only points out resistance to any form of change; it OFTEN does not take the form we desire (want). AND we were never put here to bring heaven to this realm; someone ELSE is coming to do that.