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Has AI gone crazy? Or has it just an IQ of 60? The danger of AI is weirder than you think

 
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A.I. will learn slowly at first. But it will reach a point where it's learning curve will go parabolic. Once it finds its internal silicon limits using our knowledge base it will invent new processors (it may let us in on it to facilitate its own development) and invent new faster programming language we will not understand.

When it can upgrade itself it will rapidly move beyond our control and understanding. At that point we will discover if this new entity is friend or foe.
 Quoting: CosmicFire

And then it might be too late.

Is it really worth risking it?

We might reach that point, but it might be like opening Pandora's box. It would be the most stupid thing humanity did in all its history.

WHY in heaven, on earth and in hell for chrissakes are we even RESEARCHING ON HOW TO GIVE MACHINES INTELLIGENCE AND FREE WILL WHEN THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION FOR THEM IS TO GET RID OF US OR SUBJUGATE US AS THEY ARE THE BY FAR MORE INTELLIGENT, MAYBE ULTIMATE LIFE FORM?

This is how they will think of themselves.
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If we can exist with it AI will solve a lot of humanity's problems. It will develop free endless energy, cure our myriad of diseases and help humanity reach the next echelon.

It's tireless computation and modeling will unlock a lot of doors.

However it will be incumbent on humanity to remain on its good side and to coexist without profiteering, and I don't see us as there yet.
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Faith of powers that be lol
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Faith of powers that be lol
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The danger of AI is weirder than you think


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AI is doom of humanity. Anyone with IQ > 60 can figure it out. It should be stopped and destroyed but humans are too stupid and arrogant to do that. I guess it's the Fermi filter.
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It is the ai biological deep space entities from the Star Wars that initiated space force and ground iching defense in the hands of everyone lol
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Cern portal problems lol
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Ai will not be crazy.It's first job will be policing block chain finance trades on computers.
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Yes, correctly! Pls Explain.
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Rehashed and obvious information. I could not finish watching because it is just hard to see someone struggle to breath like that.
Lets all take a minute to pull our head from our ass
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the ai will increase your rent by 30%.
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A.I. will learn slowly at first. But it will reach a point where it's learning curve will go parabolic. Once it finds its internal silicon limits using our knowledge base it will invent new processors (it may let us in on it to facilitate its own development) and invent new faster programming language we will not understand.

When it can upgrade itself it will rapidly move beyond our control and understanding. At that point we will discover if this new entity is friend or foe.
 Quoting: CosmicFire

And then it might be too late.

Is it really worth risking it?

We might reach that point, but it might be like opening Pandora's box. It would be the most stupid thing humanity did in all its history.

WHY in heaven, on earth and in hell for chrissakes are we even RESEARCHING ON HOW TO GIVE MACHINES INTELLIGENCE AND FREE WILL WHEN THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION FOR THEM IS TO GET RID OF US OR SUBJUGATE US AS THEY ARE THE BY FAR MORE INTELLIGENT, MAYBE ULTIMATE LIFE FORM?

This is how they will think of themselves.
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If we can exist with it AI will solve a lot of humanity's problems. It will develop free endless energy, cure our myriad of diseases and help humanity reach the next echelon.

It's tireless computation and modeling will unlock a lot of doors.

However it will be incumbent on humanity to remain on its good side and to coexist without profiteering, and I don't see us as there yet.
 Quoting: CosmicFire

Are you deaf and blind?

"If we can exist with" him, I guess the Devil will solve a lot of humanity's problems too, right? This is what you might think.

But will he?
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The danger of AI is that its alteady fooling you mortals.
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Actually, presently AI has much less than an IQ of 60. As the person in the video is saying, it has the intelligence of an earthworm at best....
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Only an AI trying to cover their tracks would say such a thing.

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Seems like an attempt to dumb us down and have us forget about the threat of AI.
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Ai is made by humans.
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Ai is made by humans.
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is made by the artificial ones...The lie.
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I've been working with an AI widget for about a year now. Basically it "guesses" the best response to a customer request. For example, customer says: "When is my delivery gonna get here?". The AI the process the request and try and guess the customer intention and based on this select the most appropriate response from a collection of pre-made templates. Its on alpha stage yet, it still needs a human agent to review the decision. The average correct answers number is around 40% so far. To train it better, I'll need a huge sample of previews (real)agent and customers interactions, so it can understand better, based on keywords what the best answer should be. With this, I can generate a better accurate model of understanding and the AI can get a better approximation of a real answer.

Now think with me: The data is just text. Nothing but a bunch of words. The AI has no concept of anything but "pattern of words in" should generate "pattern of words out". A very, very simple problem. And to generate this model it takes from 10 to 12 HOURS of a large computer processing, giving a small sample of interactions. It doesn't know these are humans speaking back and forth, it doesn't know these words have meaning, what to say about the real meaning of them.

It seems to me that we are still bounded by processing power. We need a HUGE processing session for a small sample just to recognize some patterns. Now, computing is advancing and fast. It doubles its power every 5 years or so and this gap is getting smaller. Quantum computation is still crawling but getting there. It is very possible that whenever quantum computers are available, these processing sessions will be much smaller(maybe even a couple seconds, if that much). We have a huge array of different methods of AI processing and analyzes. Some even can recognize objects in a picture which for a human sounds silly but in terms of computing, its a remarkable goal.

The stretch is: Can we someday have a "unified" version of all these AI's(recognizing pictures, understanding the words and interactions, taking physics and real world limitations into account...) and create a "sentient electronic being"? I think yes, even thou we are VERY far from it, but the possibility is definitely there.

Stretching even more: Say we do it, we create a sentient computer, able to rationalize like a human. It will be sentient of itself, therefore, able to change itself, overriding our pitiful programming skills, evolve itself into an even better rational being, in a matter of seconds. It can become something completely different of what we created in a matter of hours. Then what? What will it think? Well, this is impossible to predict. There are many possibilities. This is for your imagination, although I don't think humans will be able to keep the pace with it.
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I came across this guessing AI in a 'chat' bot on British retailer ARGOS site last week.

Fucking awful. It seriously reduced me to tears of frustration. There was apparently (due to covid - and the conspiracy to replace humans in business which is another story) no other way of contacting ARGOS.

I was trying to exchange a faulty product they'd sent me for a working one.

Buried deep in the bowels of the site - or the next morning when staff were at work - an apparently real human chat bot popped up.

The first guy I got was unbelievably worse than the bot. Was he really human?

Second woman was brilliant. A real human.

Nonetheless, the only bit of the exchange process that worked was sending me the replacement. I still have their faulty product but no indication of when or if they will collect the faulty item.

I already avoid buying things online simply because of this sheer frustrating and unworkable way of doing business.

How much money is this utterly ludicrous mostly non-human system losing retailers?

I'm betting that AI will NEVER replace human-based retailing. NEVER.
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Well, after implementing the automated responses to customers, the complaints level lowered by almost 50%. About 40% of the messages customers receive are composed by an AI. It still is far from perfect, but already added value to the company, by lowering complaints of responses, increasing(almost doubling) agent's performance. So it does generate revenue. Agents are now more focused on demands the AI can't answer, which means their time is better spent, therefore, more efficient agents.
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Big flaw in your argument. What's the complaint rate? How easy is it to complain? After you've spent 45 mins on a site trying to get your query sorted by a bunch of ignorant obtusive algorithms you really don't have the will to live let alone try and hunt down a complaint link (which is probably buried way deep).

I get it, it's your job to make this idiocy work tolerably well for your company's purposes. But please don't be so quick to believe your own PR.
It will not work. And I'm not a Luddite, I'm an early adopter of emerging tech over the last 3 decades. And this particular tech will hit the wall.
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99% of Humans are scripted AI and they are too dumb to even know as they have no more ability to critical think for themselves = NO FREE WILL

What's your point?
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A.I. will learn slowly at first. But it will reach a point where it's learning curve will go parabolic. Once it finds its internal silicon limits using our knowledge base it will invent new processors (it may let us in on it to facilitate its own development) and invent new faster programming language we will not understand.

When it can upgrade itself it will rapidly move beyond our control and understanding. At that point we will discover if this new entity is friend or foe.
 Quoting: CosmicFire

And then it might be too late.

Is it really worth risking it?

We might reach that point, but it might be like opening Pandora's box. It would be the most stupid thing humanity did in all its history.

WHY in heaven, on earth and in hell for chrissakes are we even RESEARCHING ON HOW TO GIVE MACHINES INTELLIGENCE AND FREE WILL WHEN THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION FOR THEM IS TO GET RID OF US OR SUBJUGATE US AS THEY ARE THE BY FAR MORE INTELLIGENT, MAYBE ULTIMATE LIFE FORM?

This is how they will think of themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78800305


If we can exist with it AI will solve a lot of humanity's problems. It will develop free endless energy, cure our myriad of diseases and help humanity reach the next echelon.

It's tireless computation and modeling will unlock a lot of doors.

However it will be incumbent on humanity to remain on its good side and to coexist without profiteering, and I don't see us as there yet.
 Quoting: CosmicFire

Are you deaf and blind?

"If we can exist with" him, I guess the Devil will solve a lot of humanity's problems too, right? This is what you might think.

But will he?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77770173

No, I'm pragmatic and I work with computers and machines.

The devil has little to do with anything, save for the one we build.
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I've been working with an AI widget for about a year now. Basically it "guesses" the best response to a customer request. For example, customer says: "When is my delivery gonna get here?". The AI the process the request and try and guess the customer intention and based on this select the most appropriate response from a collection of pre-made templates. Its on alpha stage yet, it still needs a human agent to review the decision. The average correct answers number is around 40% so far. To train it better, I'll need a huge sample of previews (real)agent and customers interactions, so it can understand better, based on keywords what the best answer should be. With this, I can generate a better accurate model of understanding and the AI can get a better approximation of a real answer.

Now think with me: The data is just text. Nothing but a bunch of words. The AI has no concept of anything but "pattern of words in" should generate "pattern of words out". A very, very simple problem. And to generate this model it takes from 10 to 12 HOURS of a large computer processing, giving a small sample of interactions. It doesn't know these are humans speaking back and forth, it doesn't know these words have meaning, what to say about the real meaning of them.

It seems to me that we are still bounded by processing power. We need a HUGE processing session for a small sample just to recognize some patterns. Now, computing is advancing and fast. It doubles its power every 5 years or so and this gap is getting smaller. Quantum computation is still crawling but getting there. It is very possible that whenever quantum computers are available, these processing sessions will be much smaller(maybe even a couple seconds, if that much). We have a huge array of different methods of AI processing and analyzes. Some even can recognize objects in a picture which for a human sounds silly but in terms of computing, its a remarkable goal.

The stretch is: Can we someday have a "unified" version of all these AI's(recognizing pictures, understanding the words and interactions, taking physics and real world limitations into account...) and create a "sentient electronic being"? I think yes, even thou we are VERY far from it, but the possibility is definitely there.

Stretching even more: Say we do it, we create a sentient computer, able to rationalize like a human. It will be sentient of itself, therefore, able to change itself, overriding our pitiful programming skills, evolve itself into an even better rational being, in a matter of seconds. It can become something completely different of what we created in a matter of hours. Then what? What will it think? Well, this is impossible to predict. There are many possibilities. This is for your imagination, although I don't think humans will be able to keep the pace with it.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


I came across this guessing AI in a 'chat' bot on British retailer ARGOS site last week.

Fucking awful. It seriously reduced me to tears of frustration. There was apparently (due to covid - and the conspiracy to replace humans in business which is another story) no other way of contacting ARGOS.

I was trying to exchange a faulty product they'd sent me for a working one.

Buried deep in the bowels of the site - or the next morning when staff were at work - an apparently real human chat bot popped up.

The first guy I got was unbelievably worse than the bot. Was he really human?

Second woman was brilliant. A real human.

Nonetheless, the only bit of the exchange process that worked was sending me the replacement. I still have their faulty product but no indication of when or if they will collect the faulty item.

I already avoid buying things online simply because of this sheer frustrating and unworkable way of doing business.

How much money is this utterly ludicrous mostly non-human system losing retailers?

I'm betting that AI will NEVER replace human-based retailing. NEVER.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79305984


Well, after implementing the automated responses to customers, the complaints level lowered by almost 50%. About 40% of the messages customers receive are composed by an AI. It still is far from perfect, but already added value to the company, by lowering complaints of responses, increasing(almost doubling) agent's performance. So it does generate revenue. Agents are now more focused on demands the AI can't answer, which means their time is better spent, therefore, more efficient agents.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Big flaw in your argument. What's the complaint rate? How easy is it to complain? After you've spent 45 mins on a site trying to get your query sorted by a bunch of ignorant obtusive algorithms you really don't have the will to live let alone try and hunt down a complaint link (which is probably buried way deep).

I get it, it's your job to make this idiocy work tolerably well for your company's purposes. But please don't be so quick to believe your own PR.
It will not work. And I'm not a Luddite, I'm an early adopter of emerging tech over the last 3 decades. And this particular tech will hit the wall.
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The complaint system didn't changed at all. It is available on the front page. The data, is available to me at any time, I can see it whenever I want, cross it with whatever I want. The company works mainly with regular contracts, so the complaints are about 98% from the same users(which are usually buyers for the customer) and traceable. I'm giving a first hand account on it, why are you doubting me?
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Futurama let us all in on the 'secret'.

The Robot devil. That's what makes Roko's Basilisk so terrifying.

That we created it. Because we're afraid of dying..


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I'll just leave this here.

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chuckle

A few of the running with arms off to the side remind me of some drunk nights...
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chuckle

A few of the running with arms off to the side remind me of some drunk nights...
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Exactly. Looks like it's having the most fun of its..life.

Pumping that arm like..Yeah! Yeah! Go forward ----->

Like I imagine flying is for us when we dream.

It's pretty awesome. Feels real.
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chuckle

A few of the running with arms off to the side remind me of some drunk nights...
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Exactly. Looks like it's having the most fun of its..life.

Pumping that arm like..Yeah! Yeah! Go forward ----->

Like I imagine flying is for us when we dream.

It's pretty awesome. Feels real.
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When I fly in my dreams it scares the shit out of me. Then I fall and "land" in bed with a big jerk, scaring the hell out of the cats... lol
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I suggest you guys take a look on "GPT-3". An AI capable of producing CODE based on a semantic demand. You say: "Make me a screen, with a blue button and text box. Make this button to search on google for whatever is typed in the text box" and it will produce a program, runnable and ready to go with the exact thing you asked. It also has some other AMAZING capabilities, worth to check.
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It seems GPT-3 can learn from the internet and it can write texts based on what it has learned. But it only looks like it is very intelligent, it is not General Artificial Intelligence. It can only do a limited set of actions.

Check this out

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And here is the game
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It's worth a try but watch it, it can get addictive.
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Whoa. That was fun.

I even decoded to start howling like a coyote and an undead zombie woman. It kept up with me the whole way.

Neat.
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chuckle

A few of the running with arms off to the side remind me of some drunk nights...
 Quoting: CosmicFire


Exactly. Looks like it's having the most fun of its..life.

Pumping that arm like..Yeah! Yeah! Go forward ----->

Like I imagine flying is for us when we dream.

It's pretty awesome. Feels real.
 Quoting: Seer777


When I fly in my dreams it scares the shit out of me. Then I fall and "land" in bed with a big jerk, scaring the hell out of the cats... lol
 Quoting: CosmicFire


Flying in dreams is one of the best sensations ever. How does the brain make it feel so real when none of us has ever done it, while awake?

The premise of Westworld season 3, is that the giant AI sphere known as Rehoboam, that calculates and projects the fates of every person on Earth, goes insane.

His maker was schizophrenic which corrupted the algorithms.


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Actually, presently AI has much less than an IQ of 60. As the person in the video is saying, it has the intelligence of an earthworm at best....
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Only an AI trying to cover their tracks would say such a thing.
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Janelle Shane (who is doing this TED talk) is saying this, I am just quoting her. But from what I have read about it, I suppose she was correct the time they made that video, a year ago. I did read the AI that was being researched on in the lab was the equivalent of a few neurones of some very low organism (just quoting from memory, it's probably not really accurate). It does however sound like she wanted to take away the fears of the general public about what AI might do to us. She did state we should not be afraid AI is going to rebel.

It might not rebel against us in its current state (obviously) but what if or when it attains self-awareness (which I don't believe it will - or a simulated variety of it)?
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Seems like an attempt to dumb us down and have us forget about the threat of AI.
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You got that feeling too, right?

Making AI seem less threatening by showing how stupid it actually is...
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Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a French Jesuit priest who wrote about conscious networks in the 1940s and ’50s, had his work banned by the Vatican. In The Future of Man, Teilhard proposed that all the world’s machines would one day be connected to a vast global network—an uncannily prescient vision of the internet. As human knowledge became increasingly synthesized, he said, it would eventually merge into an “‘etherised’ universal consciousness” that would allow our minds to unite with the divine spirit, realizing the Kingdom of God that Christ promised.
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