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To everyone who thinks Ron Paul is winning polls.

 
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There is something that most of you have failed to grasp and that is who it is that is voting in the online polls.

Ron Paul is a Libertarian running as a Republican. Ron Paul got 400,000 votes when he ran as a Libertarian for President and is the only anti-war candidate on the right. He appeals to ALL Libertarians, extreme right wing Republicans and Independents and even some Democrats who just cant stomach the idea of Hillary.

Libertarians and Independents donít have debates. They get to watch the Dems and Republican debates and they get to vote in all online polls and text polls along with the Dems and Republicans. However, they donít get to vote in the Primaries.

Last night, Ron Paul supporters blew away the Republican candidates in the text poll even though Ron Paul received very little applause and is the only candidate to generate BOOS from the audience. No one paid the people to Boo Ron Paul. He deserves boos because his positions are wrong in a room full of Republicans. When he has his Libertarian supporters there, they cheer. Notice how Huckabee didnít have many supporters there yet got plenty of cheers? If they were all working for Rudy, why didnít they boo Huckabee and McCain?

Ronís supporters are young, internet savvy and well organized. Even on this site, when a poll in found somewhere. Like Army Ants, RPís scouts send out the word with a ďcall to voteĒ and in minutes the server at the site is crashed. No other candidate does thatÖ Also, Baby Boomers are the biggest block of voters in the US. How many of them even know how to text message? Or go online and vote in a poll on CNN when they are Republicans and predominately watch Fox news.

Hell, how many of them even vote on American Idol or know what Youtube is?

When national polls are conducted by pollsters like Zogby, USA Today, Gallup, CNN and the rest of the big names, Ron Paul comes up with 3-4%. That is because National pollsters donít call Libertarians, or Independents in these polls, they only call registered Democratic or Republican voters. They call the people who will be voting in the Primaries. AFTER the primaries they still dont call everyone. Just the ones who are registered to vote.

In addition, if every single Libertarian and all the Independents ran out and registered Republican and voted for Ron Paul in the Primaries,,,it does not mean Ron Paul will get the Republican Nomination. The Republican Party will nominate the person that best represents the party platform. Hell, they can nominate Newt Ginrich if they want.

What cracks me up is how Ron Paul supporters here at GLP will slam people like Sean, Rush, Laura, and all the rest of the Republican talk show hosts when they represent the views and the political beliefs of 90% of the Republican party. That should say a hell of a lot about who is supporting RP here and who you are.

All the above to sayÖ.

The majority of Republicans DO NOT support Ron Paul or his politics. He WILL NOT get the Republican nomination for president. As a comparison, the guy who best represents the party is Mike Huckabee. However, I think it will probably be Rudy with Mike as his running mate. My personal choice is Mike Huckabee.

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Who needs a Poll to tell you how to think ?


Socialist / Collectivist Scum thats WHO !!!
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yada yada yada

All the above to sayÖ.

The majority of Republicans DO NOT support Ron Paul or his politics. He WILL NOT get the Republican nomination for president. As a comparison, the guy who best represents the party is Mike Huckabee. However, I think it will probably be Rudy with Mike as his running mate. My personal choice is Mike Huckabee.

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Of course it'll be some dead weight for Hillary to smash. Just think of all those GOP donations going to Hillary.

Enjoy living in the 2 party dream.

There is only one.
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Dont be skeered.....we wont bomb the shit out of you after we take office.
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you would like huckabee you fudge packin son of a bitch.
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You seem to like Ronald Reagan. Were you aware that Ron Paul and Ronald Reagan worked together? That Ronald Reagan spoke highly of Ron Paul. And that Ronald Reagan once said that libertarianism is "the very heart and soul of conservatism"?
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You seem to like Ronald Reagan. Were you aware that Ron Paul and Ronald Reagan worked together? That Ronald Reagan spoke highly of Ron Paul. And that Ronald Reagan once said that libertarianism is "the very heart and soul of conservatism"?
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I am sure Reagan had nice things to say about a lot of people.

Ron Paul should be running as a Libertarian. Not a Republican.


Hillary Dem
Huckabee Republican
Paul Libertarian

Makes it much easier doesnt it?
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You seem to like Ronald Reagan. Were you aware that Ron Paul and Ronald Reagan worked together? That Ronald Reagan spoke highly of Ron Paul. And that Ronald Reagan once said that libertarianism is "the very heart and soul of conservatism"?
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Of course PNAC didn't know that, they've never said it on FOX NEWS!
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Re: To everyone who thinks Ron Paul is winning polls.
There is something that most of you have failed to grasp and that is who it is that is voting in the online polls.

Ron Paul is a Libertarian running as a Republican. Ron Paul got 400,000 votes when he ran as a Libertarian for President and is the only anti-war candidate on the right. He appeals to ALL Libertarians, extreme right wing Republicans and Independents and even some Democrats who just cant stomach the idea of Hillary.

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When national polls are conducted by pollsters like Zogby, USA Today, Gallup, CNN and the rest of the big names, Ron Paul comes up with 3-4%. That is because National pollsters donít call Libertarians, or Independents in these polls, they only call registered Democratic or Republican voters. They call the people who will be voting in the Primaries. AFTER the primaries they still dont call everyone. Just the ones who are registered to vote.

In addition, if every single Libertarian and all the Independents ran out and registered Republican and voted for Ron Paul in the Primaries,,,it does not mean Ron Paul will get the Republican Nomination. The Republican Party will nominate the person that best represents the party platform. Hell, they can nominate Newt Ginrich if they want.

What cracks me up is how Ron Paul supporters here at GLP will slam people like Sean, Rush, Laura, and all the rest of the Republican talk show hosts when they represent the views and the political beliefs of 90% of the Republican party. That should say a hell of a lot about who is supporting RP here and who you are.

All the above to sayÖ.

The majority of Republicans DO NOT support Ron Paul or his politics. He WILL NOT get the Republican nomination for president.
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PACNWguy, I honestly don't agree with you 99% of the time but I've got to hand it to you, this really does sum up the RP situation. It should also explain to a lot of the RP supporters who seem almost cult-like, exactly why their man isn't getting the attention they would like to see. It's not a matter of disrespect or agenda, it's all about where and how he has positioned himself.

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pac is just an old fuck and doesn't like paul because he's bringing out the younger generations and bringing people together. paul's views are not the same tired republican scripts everyone else is reading and i'm sure that scares the shit out of his pac's neocon heart.

i've never voted, but i'm registered republican now and i'll be voting for paul. gonna be funny when pac finally figures out that we can get together on things other than just online polls and text polls. what a difference we can make...
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You need Polls to decide how to think ?!?!




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So you want us to believe that there is a huge number of RP supporters who are at some forum and every time a poll is made they get the word to go vote? Or how do they get the word, emails? So these RP voters are always online or something? Thats one hell of a conspiracy theory, and frankly I don't buy it.

Can you show me one of the "alert!!!! time to vote in a poll" emails these RP people are getting?
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If the R's are soo different than the D's...tell me what is different about their foriegn policy and Hillaries?

Thats right folks, the R's are and D's are on the same page. Ron Paul will take the Republican party back for people like my daddy, whome voted Republican all his life and supports Ron all the way.

You dumb fucks could not define conservative if it crawled up your ass. WTF is wrong with you sheeple Republicans?

Ron walks and talks true conservatism. What the fuck has the R party done conservative in 15 years? They have done the same as the clintons and their party! not a damned thing conservative. Get over it, Rons taking the party back for those of us that can define conservative.


Go vote for hillary if you love big government you fake Republicans.
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pac is just an old fuck and doesn't like paul because he's bringing out the younger generations and bringing people together. paul's views are not the same tired republican scripts everyone else is reading and i'm sure that scares the shit out of his pac's neocon heart.

i've never voted, but i'm registered republican now and i'll be voting for paul. gonna be funny when pac finally figures out that we can get together on things other than just online polls and text polls. what a difference we can make...
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And then when he loses the primary you will write in his name on a ballot or not vote right?

This is another point I was making the other day.

None of the votes that Ron Paul gets will be a vote that might have gone to another Republican. That is why none of the republican candidates care about Ron Paul.

A vote for Ron Paul is by someone that wouldnt vote for a Republican on a cold day in hell normally or someone who doesnt vote, but just bitches about who wins saying they are all the same.

In the general election, Ron Paul will pull votes away from the Dem candidates and the Libertarian. That is a good thing.
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The OP makes a good point,

and

The leadership pool is poor, the middle ground is empty with no candidate seeming to have broad appeal.

The country is begging for a moderate but the far right and far left hold control of their prospective parties and moderates can't take their primaries.

In other words no matter who wins we are screwed because they won't unite the country. They will play to their base and hope they can muster enough dirt to create enough hatred of the other candidate to give them the elections.

In other words it will be another Bush like election with George Bush type Candidate's who will sew discord to try and harvest fear. Hatred will rule and we will suffer as a people and a country.
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Ron Paul will win the nomination. When he does, myself and many others here will laugh at your stupid zionist ass.
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Of course PNAC didn't know that, they've never said it on FOX NEWS!
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Either way, I would rather vote for a Libertarian running as Republican (Ron Paul) than a Democrat (Romney, Guiliani) running as Republican. The true heart of the Republican party shares similar views with Libertarians. The CURRENT Republican party is sharing similar views with the Democrats.
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Of course PNAC didn't know that, they've never said it on FOX NEWS!

Either way, I would rather vote for a Libertarian running as Republican (Ron Paul) than a Democrat (Romney, Guiliani) running as Republican. The true heart of the Republican party shares similar views with Libertarians. The CURRENT Republican party is sharing similar views with the Democrats.
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True Dat.
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And then when he loses the primary you will write in his name on a ballot or not vote right?


and what makes you think there aren't many, many more like me? and if there are, why exactly do you think come time to vote for the primaries we won't pull this off? i consider myself independent and you are right, if it wasn't for paul i wouldn't vote for ANY of the other candidates. he's the reason i want to vote this go round, and that's exactly what i'm gonna do. and i think if all the paul supporters feel this same way we have a great chance of winning this.
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A vote for Ron Paul is by someone that wouldnt vote for a Republican on a cold day in hell normally or someone who doesnt vote, but just bitches about who wins saying they are all the same.
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The only republicans that will vote for Ron Paul will be TRUE republicans. Not those Democrats masquerading as Republicans who just want big government.
So we'll see how many of true republicans there are left.
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And then when he loses the primary you will write in his name on a ballot or not vote right?


and what makes you think there aren't many, many more like me? and if there are, why exactly do you think come time to vote for the primaries we won't pull this off? i consider myself independent and you are right, if it wasn't for paul i wouldn't vote for ANY of the other candidates. he's the reason i want to vote this go round, and that's exactly what i'm gonna do. and i think if all the paul supporters feel this same way we have a great chance of winning this.
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He would need at least 62 million people to write in his name to win. Like that is going to happen.

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And then when he loses the primary you will write in his name on a ballot or not vote right?


and what makes you think there aren't many, many more like me? and if there are, why exactly do you think come time to vote for the primaries we won't pull this off? i consider myself independent and you are right, if it wasn't for paul i wouldn't vote for ANY of the other candidates. he's the reason i want to vote this go round, and that's exactly what i'm gonna do. and i think if all the paul supporters feel this same way we have a great chance of winning this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 315921

Same boat here. I never would have voted because it used to be a complete waste of time. This time I registered to vote, and will. No one told me to, I just registered because my brain told me to.
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None of the votes that Ron Paul gets will be a vote that might have gone to another Republican. That is why none of the republican candidates care about Ron Paul.

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Here you are so wrong. I have been a Republican all of my adult life. I voted fro every Republican since and including Reagan.

Only in the last few years did I begin to realize that there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats in deeds. They talk different, but in deeds they are all the same. It's not hard to conclude that they are in fact working together to keep up appearances for us minions.

I also concluded that RP is the last real conservative running and the only hope we have of keeping our Republic. The Demicans.... no no I mean the Republicrats have all sold us out.
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A vote for Ron Paul is by someone that wouldnt vote for a Republican on a cold day in hell normally or someone who doesnt vote, but just bitches about who wins saying they are all the same.

The only republicans that will vote for Ron Paul will be TRUE republicans. Not those Democrats masquerading as Republicans who just want big government.
So we'll see how many of true republicans there are left.
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Why didnt any of these "true" republicans vote for him when he was a Libertarian? His position hasnt changed 10 cents since 1988.

The true republicans were at the debate last night cheering for the person who represents them. It was not ron paul.

You can call yourself anything you want, but the majority of the people who call themselves republicans, whether they are true republicans in your dictionary, are not supporting Ron Paul,,,whatever he is.
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If the R's are soo different than the D's...tell me what is different about their foriegn policy and Hillaries?

Thats right folks, the R's are and D's are on the same page. Ron Paul will take the Republican party back for people like my daddy, whome voted Republican all his life and supports Ron all the way.

You dumb fucks could not define conservative if it crawled up your ass. WTF is wrong with you sheeple Republicans?

Ron walks and talks true conservatism. What the fuck has the R party done conservative in 15 years? They have done the same as the clintons and their party! not a damned thing conservative. Get over it, Rons taking the party back for those of us that can define conservative.


Go vote for hillary if you love big government you fake Republicans.
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Amen brother!!!!
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None of the votes that Ron Paul gets will be a vote that might have gone to another Republican. That is why none of the republican candidates care about Ron Paul.



Here you are so wrong. I have been a Republican all of my adult life. I voted fro every Republican since and including Reagan.

Only in the last few years did I begin to realize that there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats in deeds. They talk different, but in deeds they are all the same. It's not hard to conclude that they are in fact working together to keep up appearances for us minions.

I also concluded that RP is the last real conservative running and the only hope we have of keeping our Republic. The Demicans.... no no I mean the Republicrats have all sold us out.
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If you had to pick a second choice other than Ron Paul in any party, who would it be?
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There is no second choice,...the other Repukes are corporate fascists like you.




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Re: To everyone who thinks Ron Paul is winning polls.
Why didnt any of these "true" republicans vote for him when he was a Libertarian? His position hasnt changed 10 cents since 1988.

The true republicans were at the debate last night cheering for the person who represents them. It was not ron paul.

You can call yourself anything you want, but the majority of the people who call themselves republicans, whether they are true republicans in your dictionary, are not supporting Ron Paul,,,whatever he is.
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Who pray tell represents Republicans in the current Republican line-up? Oh, and make it someone who's "electable" since you swear Ron Paul isn't. Guessing you won't say because you don't know. Because there isn't anyone besides Ron Paul.
In 1988 there were other Republicans who actually stood for what the Republican party is supposed to stand for. I don't know, I was too young to vote but that was the year Reagan left office so i'm thinking that would be the answer. Plus, our country is stuck up it's ass on a two party system. Third parties never stand a chance.
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What is happening with Ron Paul sounds a lot like what happened with Howard Dean. And everyone knows how President Dean was swept into office on a tidal wave of support.

Oh wait, Howard Dead imploded didn't he?
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